Spectator Thread GoT and TMBG Spectator Thread

[Pedro]

Sure, splints, but the same argument you're making can be used against you.
Like I said pages ago, melon said she did the fake red check because it was fun for her, because of an out-of-game rivalry. You are criticizing one play while trying to defend the other.

If we're gonna have a civil discussion in a week or so, we have to be able to acknowledge everything that has happened.

 

[Splinter]

Sure, splints, but the same argument you're making can be used against you.
Like I said pages ago, melon said she did the fake red check because it was fun for her, because of an out-of-game rivalry. You are criticizing one play while trying to defend the other.

If we're gonna have a civil discussion in a week or so, we have to be able to acknowledge everything that has happened.

Being toxic isn't a "play"

Faking a red check is dumb because it hurts town more often than it helps. It's a bad play, but that's it.

Responding to bad play so agressively that people can't enjoy the game is toxic. It's the shit that 90% of online gaming is filled with, and I doubt anyone here would be defending it in that context.

The two aren't comparable.

 

[heymonkey]

I tried hard not to be hostile in the game and when hostility is already flying around, it's very difficult in game to know where the line is. At times many of us failed. That's why mods issue warnings. That's why it's addressed in the rules. There's zero excuse to call people names in spec, though, and should be equally actionable. Not only is it simply callous, but people don't even have a chance to defend themselves without opening up old wounds (since things are often settled before players get here), which is often unproductive. It's not okay to say someone is "disgusting." It's not okay to call someone a bully, especially when we're handing out selective criticisms based on who we like and who we don't in a game where many, many people struggled with keeping the line.

But I will hold that what I said about holding my comments until postgame was not bullying. It was an attempt to avoid creating more problems. If it was ill perceived or I should have phrased it differently, or even just kept my mouth shut, noted and I'll think about it.

That's all from me.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Also, what the hell went down in that GoT game?

You know that gif of Donald Glover walking in with pizza and it’s mayj in the apartment?
That was sorta it in got.....day 2 I guess?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Hmm. Maybe I view the melon play different since I was just a neutral in the game and died quickly.i could understand the frustration it caused to some extent though.

I think town let it linger too long trying to discuss it. Once she came forward town should’ve just lynched her and moved on. It festered.

Once I knew she killed me for previous game, understood why. Wasn’t really too bothered *shrug*

 

[OceanicAir]

I wish people didn't act like the gambit (which it was) was the actual problem. The result was is the issue people had with it. This has been done successfully and it was complimented and praised for "good reads" and had splinter flipped scum we're not even have this discussion about how unfun the game was made.

If people are saying that the sole reason that she did that was to "get revenge" on splinter then you're being extraordinarily unfair to melon. Yeah, she has her "rivalry" with him but she reiterated that it wasn't the driving force and that she thought she was scum. I've seen quite a few games go awry and nobody in this community has ever done anything as malicious as what some are stating.

Good grief, we've had expontially worse instances that have actually ruined/decided games without people acting like we've ruined the integrity of some majorly important event rather than a freaking online game. I'd hate to see people's reaction if what happened in Woof 1 or Bar mafia happened again.

Also, people really need to learn how to end a day and move on. Because there was no reason for it to last as long as it did.

everytime i play i forget how the spec thread gets when they know all the answers lol.

i'm not gonna go back and read 150,000 posts or whatever it is, i'm not gonna do that if i'm in a game from the start lol. i saw 3 dudes not actually clear being pushed as a town core for what as far as i could tell was no reason. only reason you are in here saying its about to cause distraction because we are in a game state where the 3 of them are in fact town. next time i'll be sure to just tell game runners to bad and not have me sub in

Tbh, I feel like more time should have been added to the day phase to get some semblance of catching up. But also, if you're not gonna read the thread and just want highlights, maybe you should just say too bad and let them just modkill the position. It's why I don't really play much anymore because I can't put the time in. We've had the debate over dead positions since SW where a person want AWOL and had to be replaced after multiple day phases (I think that's where Spider joined lol) and it's a ridiculously unfair position to put anybody in.

 

[Natiko]

I'm sure there will be plenty of topics pertaining to GOT that will be discussed and belabored post game. All I'll say is to try and consider that there's some amount of fault to go around. It's not 'just Melon'. It's not 'just the response'. Both can be contributing factors, and that's okay. No one is perfect. We don't need to beat each other down over mistakes, instead we should take the time to acknowledge them and try and learn how we can do better going forward.

Tbh, I feel like more time should have been added to the day phase to get some semblance of catching up. But also, if you're not gonna read the thread and just want highlights, maybe you should just say too bad and let them just modkill the position. It's why I don't really play much anymore because I can't put the time in. We've had the debate over dead positions since SW where a person want AWOL and had to be replaced after multiple day phases (I think that's where Spider joined lol) and it's a ridiculously unfair position to put anybody in.

I would have been glad to extend had he requested, either day or night. I also offered the chance for players to ask for an extension in the latest day phase what with it being an all weekend phase - I got one player that asked for an extension and one player that explicitly did not want one. When we asked for feedback on whether to do 48/24 or Hecht Rhythm we had exactly one player (that didn't die that same night) respond. We can only work with what we're getting from the players.

 

[cabot]

It's a running theme of players playing for themselves in a team game which leaves a lot of frustration for the other players.

Now that this play has happened multiple times the community will probably not so blindly follow red checks, but people being upset at someone just railroading the game to their own ends is understandable. The main issue with melons play was that by doing the red check claim she pretty much guaranteed her path was being followed. As the community reacts to this play and thinks about it happening before, it'll probably be less potent in future. But in this game there was no way melon wasn't getting what she wanted, something less certain if she just tried to lead the game on a splinter lynch without a red check.

Look at TBMG, Fran was clearly frustrated how that scum team played and its made his experience in the game worse.

Bar mafia was essentially the same tier as melon/ TWE in it was a selfish play that affected a whole team seriously. Woof 1 is a bit unique, less selfishness and more just anxiety causing a bit of a meltdown and collapsing a game. Not the same thing.


Dealing with weird plays that don't benefit much of anyone has been a thing from day one here, the stuff this season just goes into extreme territory.

 

[Ketkat]

I wish people didn't act like the gambit (which it was) was the actual problem. The result was is the issue people had with it. This has been done successfully and it was complimented and praised for "good reads" and had splinter flipped scum we're not even have this discussion about how unfun the game was made.

If people are saying that the sole reason that she did that was to "get revenge" on splinter then you're being extraordinarily unfair to melon. Yeah, she has her "rivalry" with him but she reiterated that it wasn't the driving force and that she thought she was scum. I've seen quite a few games go awry and nobody in this community has ever done anything as malicious as what some are stating.

Good grief, we've had expontially worse instances that have actually ruined/decided games without people acting like we've ruined the integrity of some majorly important event rather than a freaking online game. I'd hate to see people's reaction if what happened in Woof 1 or Bar mafia happened again.

Also, people really need to learn how to end a day and move on. Because there was no reason for it to last as long as it did.

It still wouldn't have felt right to me even if Splinter had ended up being scum. There are plenty of times where I could see the risk of a fake red-check being useful, but this was based entirely off of Day 1 reads, and she explicitly did mention it was because of the rivalry that she felt he was scum. Like, I don't really care if people make bad plays for in-game reasons, that's just going to happen because its Mafia. And while I know that meta reads are kind of impossible to really break away from entirely, when we start having rivalries from past games getting in the way, or people posting vote tools from past games, or stuff like that, its just annoying as a new player. I can't read into some rivalry that I don't know exists when a claim like that is made, and I'm not going to go reading past games to see Monkey's past voting record and compare it to this one either. Stuff like that does rub me the wrong way regardless of the results that happen from it.

And I'm not like furious about these things, but these games a are a huge time commitment that lasts for around a month. And I'm going to mention the things that rub me the wrong way because I dunno, I guess I'd like to see less of these kinds of issues (especially the hostility) if I end up joining in future games after this. Because yeah, it is a game and I'd like to have fun during it.

 

[cabot]

Then there was dusk in anime where the reaction wasn't too dissimilar to GoT.

 

[heymonkey]

I don't mind gambits. I mind something outside of the game that carries over into the game like this in a way that keeps getting more extreme. Here it was back to back, Marvel and GoT, and maybe that makes the reaction stronger, but it wasn't the first time between melon and Splinter, just the time with the most impact. It's a thing. It needs to be balanced against gameplay. That's all.

Like I said, meta - and everything that entails, including friendships, etc. - is unavoidable, but it's got to be balanced against the game in front of you and the X other players who signed up.

 

[Natiko]

Then there was dusk in anime where the reaction wasn't too dissimilar to GoT.

One of the things that I think also threw off GOT was how early it happened. Lying happens in mafia, even from town, and it can be a good play. In a world where Melon blinks instead of following through on the fake check, she could argue that it was to put Splinter into an uncomfortable situation to get a better read on him due to her suspicion that he was scum. If she still thought he was scum, make the argument using examples in his response. At least that would have been easier to accept than what happened.

I think another big factor is that there was some hostility from a handful of players, and some of those players took very different stances on Melon's play which exacerbated the response as it caused even more arguing and hostility.

 

[Splinter]

I understand you're feeling attacked Monkey and I'll try to tone down my rhetoric, but this is a poor response.

I tried hard not to be hostile in the game and when hostility is already flying around, it's very difficult in game to know where the line is. At times many of us failed.

This is blaming other people for your own actions. Take some responsibility. Yes it can be hard not to cross the line sometimes. I've certainly fucked up in previous games. The important thing is to apologise to those who were hurt and work to prevent it happening again.

That's why mods issue warnings. That's why it's addressed in the rules. There's zero excuse to call people names in spec, though, and should be equally actionable. Not only is it simply callous, but people don't even have a chance to defend themselves without opening up old wounds (since things are often settled before players get here), which is often unproductive.

I was dissatisfied with the mod's response at the time. Perhaps my complaints should have been made by PM instead, but ultimately this should be discussed, however difficult that is to do.

It's not okay to say someone is "disgusting." It's not okay to call someone a bully,

"The real bullies are the people calling me a bully"

Does that sound familiar? Yes this is an unpleasant topic, no that doesn't mean it should be ignored.

I apologise for the "disgusting" comment, that was too much. It was an emotive response and I removed it the next day.

especially when we're handing out selective criticisms based on who we like and who we don't in a game where many, many people struggled with keeping the line.

And this is a baseless accusation that has nothing to do with the argument at hand. I'm sorry if you feel singled out but it was your posts that I had the most problem with.

I resent having to respond to this allegation but I've also called out feps a lot for his attitude toward Faddy.

But I will hold that what I said about holding my comments until postgame was not bullying. It was an attempt to avoid creating more problems. If it was ill perceived or I should have phrased it differently, or even just kept my mouth shut, noted and I'll think about it.

That's all from me.

I believe that bullying wasn't your intent, that's why it had to be called out. That was the effect of your (and other's) comments.

 

[Splinter]

Here it was back to back, Marvel and GoT, and maybe that makes the reaction stronger, but it wasn't the first time between melon and Splinter, just the time with the most impact.

Wait, what?

 

[Natiko]

@Splinter May not want to be so quick to jump to assumptions. You have no idea what messages were exchanged privately between gamerunners and players.

 

[Splinter]

@Splinter May not want to be so quick to jump to assumptions. You have no idea what messages were exchanged privately between gamerunners and players.

I'm not attacking you for it because moderating can be a shitty job, especially when things go wrong. I could only react to the hostility in the thread and how long it pervaded.

Edit: I do remember the stress of running a game. Having this much hostility to deal with must have been extra horrible, I sympathise

 

[Natiko]

I'm not attacking you for it because moderating can be a shitty job, especially when things go wrong. I could only react to the hostility in the thread and how long it pervaded.

I'm just saying that you don't know the full extent of what was discussed in private with players. We did not have the replacements to just replace everyone that was contributing to the hostility, we didn't even really have enough to get through the game in general. The only other option is to modkill, but at that point around a fifth of the game is getting modkilled which isn't a viable solution either. We could have just canceled the game I suppose.

 

[Splinter]

I'm just saying that you don't know the full extent of what was discussed in private with players. We did not have the replacements to just replace everyone that was contributing to the hostility, we didn't even really have enough to get through the game in general. The only other option is to modkill, but at that point around a fifth of the game is getting modkilled which isn't a viable solution either. We could have just canceled the game I suppose.

I appreciate that Natiko. I wasn't suggesting I could've done a better job, just explaining part of the reason I reacted in the moment rather than waited for post-game.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I see Splinters point, but I’m still town reading Monky

VOTE: rac

 

[Splinter]

That's what we really need. A common enemy to unite against

VOTE: rac

 

[heymonkey]

Splinter, I would appreciate it if you would stop attempting to lecture me. You are apologizing out of one side of your mouth and continuing to insult and belittle me out of the other.

All I'm saying is it didn't feel like hostility from me; I was attempting to not be hostile, and as I recognize and understand that what we intend and how we are read are different, I will consider what's been said. But I need you to stop.

 

[rac]

what the hell is going on in here

i dont wanna die, monkey please stop this :(

 

[Splinter]

Where did I insult you?

 

[rac]

I see Splinters point, but I’m still town reading Monky

VOTE: rac

also what the heck

i only tried to kill you one day chug get over it

 

[Chuggernaut]

also what the heck

i only tried to kill you one day chug get over it

Never.

Also, I like to think of that vote as more of a callback to my first vote in the game

 

[heymonkey]

Where did I insult you?

...it's almost like maybe when you say something someone might take it in a way you didn't mean, huh.

Lecturing me about "taking responsibility" is, to me, a condescending insult. The whole "the real bullies" thing is an insult. What am I taking responsibility for, exactly? Being a human person who had reactions to a situation I found frustrating and off-putting? Are you willfully ignoring me saying my response re: I'll talk about it later that you see as "bullying" was me trying to mitigate my response? If I failed, well. I failed. I'll give it some thought. We don't have to see eye to eye, and I understand the disconnect, but I'm trying to explain to you where my mind was. All I can do is say "I hear you and I'll take your response into consideration. I hope you will do the same here.

 

[Natiko]

I believe Monkey had good intentions in her post, even if they were interpreted negatively. The thread was warned publicly regarding the treatment of Melon. Private warnings went out as well. A lot of players felt hurt during the game. It’s a topic I’m sure will be addressed post game. Let’s not go overboard now.

 

[Poltergust]

SO IN OTHER NEWS

Town in TMBM seems to be just going through the motions now. I think everyone is pretty exhausted over how long the game has dragged on.

Kits needs to chime in soon, though.

 

[cabot]

I mean barring some utter disaster, they will get TWE eventually.

 

[Natiko]

I mean barring some utter disaster, they will get TWE eventually.

So you're saying there's a chance..

 

[Poltergust]

I mean barring some utter disaster, they will get TWE eventually.

The most likely scenario of this happening is Godfather, AB, and TWE going to final day and AB voting Godfather for some god-forsaken reason.

 

[briefs_cat]

It still wouldn't have felt right to me even if Splinter had ended up being scum. There are plenty of times where I could see the risk of a fake red-check being useful, but this was based entirely off of Day 1 reads, and she explicitly did mention it was because of the rivalry that she felt he was scum. Like, I don't really care if people make bad plays for in-game reasons, that's just going to happen because its Mafia. And while I know that meta reads are kind of impossible to really break away from entirely, when we start having rivalries from past games getting in the way, or people posting vote tools from past games, or stuff like that, its just annoying as a new player. I can't read into some rivalry that I don't know exists when a claim like that is made, and I'm not going to go reading past games to see Monkey's past voting record and compare it to this one either. Stuff like that does rub me the wrong way regardless of the results that happen from it.

And I'm not like furious about these things, but these games a are a huge time commitment that lasts for around a month. And I'm going to mention the things that rub me the wrong way because I dunno, I guess I'd like to see less of these kinds of issues (especially the hostility) if I end up joining in future games after this. Because yeah, it is a game and I'd like to have fun during it.

Yeah that annoyed me too. As someone new to this community I have no clue what went down in past games and I have no desire to go and look it up. I personally feel like past games shouldn't inform the current one. Yeah I understand that when you play with a group often enough you start to become familiar with their play styles and that familiarity is unavoidable but new people don't have the advantage of familiarity and are just trying to work with what's presented in the game they're currently playing. I don't want to see people's voting records from previous games it's irrelevant to me. So yeah people should just stick to the current game.

 

[heymonkey]

The most likely scenario of this happening is Godfather, AB, and TWE going to final day and AB voting Godfather for some god-forsaken reason.

YOU SHUT UP

I hate myself for the last gossip chat. :( :(

 

[Chuggernaut]

Damnit Godfather. Stick to your vote from yesterday! I hope Kitsune didn’t bail

 

[Poltergust]

YOU SHUT UP

I hate myself for the last gossip chat. :( :(

I'm honestly surprised you didn't talk to Godfather last night. A private chat between the two of you would have been very fruitful, I feel.

EDIT: Oh wait you did lol. For some reason I thought you talked to AB.

 

[Dr. Worm]

man, I just realized I included the Rabid Child with Chess Piece Face

maybe I could've set up something to acknowledge that, idk what tho

 

[heymonkey]

I'm honestly surprised you didn't talk to Godfather last night. A private chat between the two of you would have been very fruitful, I feel.

EDIT: Oh wait you did lol. For some reason I thought you talked to AB.

Yeah, and I regret everything I said. I forgot the game started last night and I ran to say something but it was closed. Oh well. THEY CAN DO IT (and I don't have to)

 

[rac]

i think if kits brought up the fact that i was suspicious of scum being in the gossip instead of monkey the game would be pretty different right now

 

[Geno]

If TWE wants to play it smart he won't kill anyone this night.

 

[Poltergust]

Yeah, and I regret everything I said. I forgot the game started last night and I ran to say something but it was closed. Oh well. THEY CAN DO IT (and I don't have to)

I'm really surprised that you thought Kits was scum despite how Pogchamp performed.

Scum wouldn't make a comprehensive argument against Fran like that, especially so early on. Plus, it was his first game and it felt like a sincere effort. He perfectly embodied the whole "it's my first time playing and I want to try" mentality.

 

[Poltergust]

That doesn't make me wrong! When I flip Town, Godfather is the place you wanna go, guys.

No, Kits, no he isn't. The double lynch ability should completely exonerate Godfather by itself because having a 3-shot RB ability on top of that in a game like this is honestly a bit ludicrous.

EDIT: Reason being is that no role PMs revealed up to this point have been nearly as powerful as that, of course. No JOATs or dual abilities of any kind. Closest would be the Godfather Ninja, but one of those abilities is passive.

 

[Franconp]

Scum wouldn't make a comprehensive argument against Fran like that, especially so early on.

If you go by that there is no way that you would lynch TWE. He basically tunelled on all his partners. Town should win this just because all the semi confirmed townies.

The only way that TWE could win is if somehow Kitsune isn't the lynch today. But that is unlikely.

 

[Poltergust]

If you go by that there is no way that you would lynch TWE. He basically tunelled on all his partners. Town should win this just because all the semi confirmed townies.

The only way that TWE could win is if somehow Kitsune isn't the lynch today. But that is unlikely.

TWE is a more experienced player, though. Unless one of you guys would've literally typed up that post for him I seriously would not believe it wasn't an actual attempt at scum hunting.

Also... remember that AB failed to lynch you on Day 4 when he had every reason to do so.

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WHAT IS VERE DOING

 

[Chuggernaut]

VERE NO

 

[rac]

if godfather gets lynched i want town to lose

 

[Poltergust]

if godfather gets lynched i want town to lose

Ditto. I seriously cannot believe this. Vere should know better.

 

[Poltergust]

...No one would snipe the vote with that typo. >_>

Or was the typo intentional? o_O

 

[rac]

honestly we are looking for a roleblock and it's assured we have no cop

vere is fucking confirmed ab is confirmed
godfather cannot be a roleblocker

there are only two options here

 

[Poltergust]

Why would Godfather self-vote

why

YOU OUTLINED THE PLAN TO VICTORY THE LAST DAY PHASE. STICK TO THE PLAN.

 

[Natiko]

Need the gif of the man in a fedora opening his arms wide but instead of Neogaf it says Town.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I think Godfather was saying he would of turbo’d in that situation if he was scum. And if it wasn’t him for being lynched

 

[Poltergust]

Ah, I see.

Also, I'm sorry for doubting you, Vere. :<

 

[rac]

if we save vere just to have him get lynched on the last day i think i will cry

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I mean barring some utter disaster, they will get TWE eventually.

Simply the worst.

 

[Poltergust]

if we save vere just to have him get lynched on the last day i think i will cry

I think it'll feel good to finally force scum's hands on the matter. Vere should have died ages ago.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Closest would be the Godfather Ninja, but one of those abilities is passive.

This may be unclear, but both the Godfather and Ninja are part of the single shot - both only last for the night the shot is used

 

[Poltergust]

This may be unclear, but both the Godfather and Ninja are part of the single shot - both only last for the night the shot is used

So even less powerful than I thought.

 

[Poltergust]

KITS STAHP POISONING AB'S MIND WITH YOUR WORDS

 

[B-dubs]

Scum made a smart play in GoT, gonna be interesting

 

[Muffin]

GP dead.

We're fucked aren't we.

 

[Natiko]

GP dead.

We're fucked aren't we.

It’s looking grim unless scum get greedy. One good bus and they win I think.

 

[B-dubs]

It’s looking grim unless scum get greedy. One good bus and they win I think.

I think it's down to 2 scum and 3 town. If they can force a mislynch today then it's game.

 

[briefs_cat]

all they need is to convince either Fantomas or Kopite to put a vote down for nin and then they can turbo to the win

 

[B-dubs]

all they need is to convince either Fantomas or Kopite to put a vote down for nin and then they can turbo to the win

It shouldn't be too hard. Kopite was already looking at Nin funny at the end of the last round. This should be a quick day phase. I wouldn't make the first move if I were them though, wait for Kopite.

 

[Muffin]

all they need is to convince either Fantomas or Kopite to put a vote down for nin and then they can turbo to the win

Likely voting nin here

Like clockwork.

 

[Brazil]

Nicole is primed to take revenge for Buffy. She even has two newbies that can help her turbo a townie, just like we did back then. This is fun.

 

[Muffin]

Tbf so late in the game with Nin being alive I'd probably also try to lynch him

I lost count of how often I've tried to already

 

[B-dubs]

Nicole is primed to take revenge for Buffy. She even has two newbies that can help her turbo a townie, just like we did back then. This is fun.

This is going to be fun to watch.

EDIT: Fanto seems primed to trust her on top of everything else. She's got this in the bag.

 

[rac]

Nicole is primed to take revenge for Buffy. She even has two newbies that can help her turbo a townie, just like we did back then. This is fun.

whats it with scum and blindsiding me on day one

 

[Natiko]

Yeah, RIP town lol I thought they may be more inclined to lynch Nicole but I guess not. It’s hard to not go for a nin lynch to be fair. He doesn’t do himself many favors. Maybe 3.5 will be different :P

 

[The Bear]

Looks like both games will hit D10 (GOT already did so), and it's possible GOT will even hit D11. It's been a long time since games lasted this long.

 

[Natiko]

Looks like both games will hit D10 (GOT already did so), and it's possible GOT will even hit D11. It's been a long time since games lasted this long.

I really can’t tell if we got the balance for GOT right. It’s hit a pretty late lylo, but it took a lot of odd luck for it to happen.

 

[B-dubs]

Looks like both games will hit D10 (GOT already did so), and it's possible GOT will even hit D11. It's been a long time since games lasted this long.

GoT shouldn't go past the next night phase if Nicole plays it right.

 

[Franconp]

I really can’t tell if we got the balance for GOT right. It’s hit a pretty late lylo, but it took a lot of odd luck for it to happen.

What are you talking about? The balance was really good.

I'm sure you had some amazing reviewers.

 

[The Bear]

GoT shouldn't go past the next night phase if Nicole plays it right.

Looking at the game right now, I doubt town will lynch scum today anyway.

 

[The Bear]

I think both seem to have run reasonably balanced. GOT was clise to ending early, but that's mostly due to toens inability to lynch scum until fairly late to the game.

 

[heymonkey]

GO NICOLE GO

 

[Dr. Worm]

So even less powerful than I thought.

it literally does not matter for balance how much Godfather they get

 

[Pedro]

Need the gif of the man in a fedora opening his arms wide but instead of Neogaf it says Town.

did you call, master


edit: hi, panda! and yep, they are

 

[Giant Panda]

So SweetNicole and ET are the scum?

 

[Poltergust]

it literally does not matter for balance how much Godfather they get

But they don't know that.

 

[B-dubs]

So SweetNicole and ET are the scum?

Yup.

 

[Giant Panda]

Yup.

I felt pretty good about SweetNicole being scum, just because I had good reasons to trust everyone else. If it had come down to a LYLO sitatuation, after SN, of Nin vs ET I don't know who I would have picked though. Nin's got that naturally scummy style.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Worthy could turbo Godfather right now and really fuck things up

 

[Stantastic]

Nicole is primed to take revenge for Buffy. She even has two newbies that can help her turbo a townie, just like we did back then. This is fun.

Im still mad.

 

[Pedro]

 

[Chuggernaut]

NO WHAT THE FUCK

 

[Brazil]

TMBG:

 

[The Bear]

That really wasn't a good move. That was essentislly handing scum the win.

 

[Natiko]

What are you talking about? The balance was really good.

I'm sure you had some amazing reviewers.

Oh, I definitely don’t mean anything negative to my wonderful reviewers. I more meant it because of how the game opened at first, I can’t tell if this really close finish is typical of how it would go more often than not with this setup. A world in which town doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot so much and scum miss the recruit could have gone very different. Or if the SK lands some hits.

did you call, master


edit: hi, panda! and yep, they are

Just in time! Lol

TMBG:

Lolll

 

[Pedro]

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[Natiko]

Killing me here Pedro lol

 

[The Bear]

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Now you need to add Godfather, Verelios and Absolutbro avatars to the other three.

 

[rac]

maybe now town will wake up at least

 

[Franconp]

What the hell happened in TMBG?

 

[Poltergust]

Why. Why did Godfather self-vote? This makes absolutely no sense.

 

[rac]

i really don't blame godfather

no one is thinking clearly at all

 

[The Bear]

i really don't blame godfather

no one is thinking clearly at all

For some reason everyone else are ignoring TWE because ???

That said, the kitsu vote today was also bad.

 

[rac]

For some reason everyone else are ignoring TWE because ???

That said, the kitsu vote today was also bad today.

because finding a neutral is somehow better than catching the mafia roleblock

 

[TearablePuns]

Vere will be NKed for sure and AB or Kit will definitely be lynched.

Did not expect these last two day phases to go like this at all