"I'm comfortable leaving my vote on Ken. If it winds up that Ken is an ally I'm going to go back and look at all of the people who were drilling into him with more suspicion. I could be convinced to switch my vote to Michael, however. So many things that people have said and done sound weird to me. I'm paying attention, but there are many leads to follow right now."
Game Thread Grand Mini Mafia V - Game Thread
- Thread starter Fireblend
- Start date
"I'm comfortable leaving my vote on Ken. If it winds up that Ken is an ally I'm going to go back and look at all of the people who were drilling into him with more suspicion. I could be convinced to switch my vote to Michael, however. So many things that people have said and done sound weird to me. I'm paying attention, but there are many leads to follow right now."
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Ken (5 votes)
Trevor - #38
Asuka - #115 #290
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287
Lance - #291
Michael (4 votes)
Lance - #80 #291
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
TommyV (1 votes)
Lance - #33 #58
Niko - #52 #287
Huang - #89
Ken - #258 #285
Carl (1 votes)
Franklin - #221
Franklin (0 votes)
Michael - #118 #193
Claude (0 votes)
Trevor - #7 #38
Lance (0 votes)
Catalina - #75 #260
Niko (0 votes)
Claude - #141 #172
Catalina (0 votes)
Claude - #227 #295
Asuka (0 votes)
Lance - #58 #80
Not voting: Roman, Catalina
Post Counts:
Trevor: 55 Lance: 37 Michael: 25 TommyV: 24 Asuka: 24 Niko: 22 Claude: 21 Catalina: 19 Ken: 18 Carl: 14 Huang: 12 Franklin: 9 Roman: 6
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Day Start
Ken (5 votes)
Trevor - #38
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287
Lance - #291
Michael (4 votes)
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
TommyV (1 votes)
Huang - #89
Carl (1 votes)
Franklin - #221
Franklin (0 votes)
Claude (0 votes)
Lance (0 votes)
Niko (0 votes)
Catalina (0 votes)
Asuka (0 votes)
Not voting: Roman, Catalina
Post Counts:
Trevor: 55 Lance: 37 Michael: 25 TommyV: 24 Asuka: 24 Niko: 22 Claude: 21 Catalina: 19 Ken: 18 Carl: 14 Huang: 12 Franklin: 9 Roman: 6
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Also this looks sketch, trying to narrow it down to two wagons with plenty of time and movement left.
You posted with ~45 minutes left and look, a third wagon has appeared!
If Michael flips and is scum I know I’m on the block. It would be smarter for me to stay. But y’all should investigate that. It’s sus. You’re right.
And I do not endorse Michael. I think his posts are empty and he hasn’t done much but try to look busy. But I’ve been sitting there all this time until a wave of motherfuckers, half of whom ain’t said a damn thing about him, suddenly jumped on. I don’t like that a bit. I’ll take my L if I’m wrong but I think this movement is shady.
I steeple my fingers and rest my chin upon my knuckles, glancing over at Lance. My voice sounds gruff, and aged.
"Scum would flock to defend their own if a valulable PR was on the road to the guillotine."
My vote for Michael comes with reservations, like I said. Am I 100% sure that Michael is scum? No. Of course not.
But I’m feeling that the whole Ken/Tommy thing is just noise. And Franklin made a good point about this. So I’m looking somewhere else for my vote today.
That being said, if there’s one minute to go and there’s a tie, I’ll change my vote.
But I’m feeling that the whole Ken/Tommy thing is just noise. And Franklin made a good point about this. So I’m looking somewhere else for my vote today.
That being said, if there’s one minute to go and there’s a tie, I’ll change my vote.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Michael (6 votes)
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Ken (4 votes)
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287
Lance - #291
TommyV (1 votes)
Huang - #89
Carl (1 votes)
Franklin - #221
Not voting: Roman
Post Counts:
Trevor: 56 Lance: 38 Michael: 25 TommyV: 24 Niko: 24 Asuka: 24 Claude: 23 Ken: 20 Catalina: 20 Carl: 14 Huang: 12 Franklin: 9 Roman: 6
Current Countdown:
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MAJORITY IS 7
Day Start
Michael (6 votes)
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Ken (4 votes)
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287
Lance - #291
TommyV (1 votes)
Huang - #89
Carl (1 votes)
Franklin - #221
Not voting: Roman
Post Counts:
Trevor: 56 Lance: 38 Michael: 25 TommyV: 24 Niko: 24 Asuka: 24 Claude: 23 Ken: 20 Catalina: 20 Carl: 14 Huang: 12 Franklin: 9 Roman: 6
Current Countdown:
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MAJORITY IS 7
"...I'm liking Ken less and less."
This is about the only vote I like on Michael. If Michael IS scum and I go down for it though that's a fine trade so it's all good.
Oh well, since I'm seemingly on the chopping block...
Not used to forum mafia. Never thought that expressing my doubts without attacking people specifically would be labeled as "looking busy", but here we are. Guess I learnt something new.
I wasn't happy about picking on Tommy or Ken, as it looked to cheap. At least it looks like me going down will actually tell you other townies a lot more about the situation than either of them being killed, so I hope this serves some purpose.
Michael is fluffposting and putting up some contradictions. It's not a good look.
I don't like the people who swung there after letting him sit for a whole day though so I left the wagon.
Short answer is I didn’t read TommyV as scum either.
Catalina worries me. No idea where votes are now.
If you think you should vote Ken, then vote Ken. There’s still 8 minutes left, we don’t need to convince you to vote for the leader.
This is a new one, I would like to hear more about this tomorrow, since I have a slight scum read there. Haven't seen anybody else express any reads on her or maybe I just missed it.
"If both wind up to be allies, I'll remember this post on day three."
I'm really not feeling the Michael vote and will maintain mine on Ken. What makes me the most uncomfortable about him know, along with previous issues, is his vote against me that came across as lashing out, then a quick change to Michael as self-preservation. That by itself I wouldn't care about this, but it was him THEN stating that you don't have to defend your self-preservation vote, as if to pre-empt anyone calling him out on two votes in a row with 0 write-up as to why.
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consolidating gives us less info. I’m disappointed we have 2 candidates only.
I can be more direct, vote right now.
A bigger spread gives mafia more places to hide, too.
Not at all what my issue with you pist was but fine i did it f u
We had three with Tommy who was a serious candidate for a long time and consolidating less than an hour before day end isn't a bad move. Not much more info to glean from several additional wagons with few votes on it.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
Michael (8 votes)
Lance - #80 #291
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Franklin - #347
Niko - #350
Ken (4 votes)
Trevor - #38 #307
Asuka - #115 #290
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287 #350
Lance - #291
Roman - #341
TommyV (1 votes)
Lance - #33 #58
Niko - #52 #287
Huang - #89
Ken - #258 #285
Asuka (0 votes)
Lance - #58 #80
Lance (0 votes)
Catalina - #75 #260
Claude (0 votes)
Trevor - #7 #38
Franklin (0 votes)
Michael - #118 #193
Carl (0 votes)
Franklin - #221 #347
Niko (0 votes)
Claude - #141 #172
Catalina (0 votes)
Claude - #227 #295
Post Counts:
Trevor: 57 Lance: 43 Niko: 32 Claude: 27 Michael: 27 Asuka: 27 TommyV: 25 Catalina: 21 Ken: 20 Carl: 16 Roman: 14 Franklin: 13 Huang: 12
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Day Start - Day End
Michael (8 votes)
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Franklin - #347
Niko - #350
Ken (4 votes)
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Lance - #291
Roman - #341
TommyV (1 votes)
Huang - #89
Asuka (0 votes)
Lance (0 votes)
Claude (0 votes)
Franklin (0 votes)
Carl (0 votes)
Niko (0 votes)
Catalina (0 votes)
Post Counts:
Trevor: 57 Lance: 43 Niko: 32 Claude: 27 Michael: 27 Asuka: 27 TommyV: 25 Catalina: 21 Ken: 20 Carl: 16 Roman: 14 Franklin: 13 Huang: 12
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As everyone stood around, arguing about punch and who killed Lamar, suspicion turned towards Tommy, Ken and Michael.
"Hey, I treat my people well. I'm not known for backstabbing people like fucking Diaz." Tommy shouted at the accusing eyes.
"What about this pathetic SOB, Ken." stated Asuka.
"..." Claude just stared at Ken, readying his bat if need be.
"NO" came the voice of Tommy, "He works for me and wouldn't dare betray me."
Ken stepped back behind Tommy Vercetti as his boss defends him.
Everyones eyes darted to the 3rd suspect, Michael.
"I fucking knew it. You did it you backstabbing fucker!" Trevor shouted towards his former best friend.
"Back the fuck up Tre..." and just like that, Michael was shot right in the center of his head by Trevor.
Michael has died
"Hey, I treat my people well. I'm not known for backstabbing people like fucking Diaz." Tommy shouted at the accusing eyes.
"What about this pathetic SOB, Ken." stated Asuka.
"..." Claude just stared at Ken, readying his bat if need be.
"NO" came the voice of Tommy, "He works for me and wouldn't dare betray me."
Ken stepped back behind Tommy Vercetti as his boss defends him.
Everyones eyes darted to the 3rd suspect, Michael.
"I fucking knew it. You did it you backstabbing fucker!" Trevor shouted towards his former best friend.
"Back the fuck up Tre..." and just like that, Michael was shot right in the center of his head by Trevor.
Michael has died
Fireblend
ABLF
The sun was beginning to rise on the horizon, coloring the sea with beautiful tones of orange and yellow. The captivating dawn chorus of seagulls and the sound of waves gently crashing on the gold-sand beach provided comfort to those who cared to listen. Another day had started in glorious Los Santos, city of opportunities, and dreams.
Any bystander would have no choice but to agree, witnessing this scene. If it wasn't for the groggy men arguing between each other right in the middle of the pier, and the two corpses that lied in front of them, that is.
Ken has died!
Lance has died!
DAY 2 BEGINS
This day phase will end in:
Any bystander would have no choice but to agree, witnessing this scene. If it wasn't for the groggy men arguing between each other right in the middle of the pier, and the two corpses that lied in front of them, that is.
Ken has died!
Lance has died!
Welcome, Lance! You're a Vanilla Townie!
Abilities:
Win Condition:
- Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.
Since this is a costume game, the game will take place in Outer Mafia using unique costume accounts in this thread. We’ve made it so only these accounts can post in the game threads, but just in case, be careful to only use this account when participating in the game. Here’s your login information:
- You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
Username: Lance
Password: mylastvancedance
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Good luck and have fun!
DAY 2 BEGINS
This day phase will end in:
Nice shot!
Here's my reads, presented in the form of a suspect list:
Not As Suspect As Others:
Franklin
Roman
Niko
Catalina
Lesser Suspects:
Asuka
TommyV
Suspect List:
Huang
Carl
Claude
I'll start with a vote on Carl. My thoughts were that Ken flipping Mafia would look bad for him after doing a reread yesterday. And, well...
Vote: Carl
Here's my reads, presented in the form of a suspect list:
Not As Suspect As Others:
Franklin
Roman
Niko
Catalina
Lesser Suspects:
Asuka
TommyV
Suspect List:
Huang
Carl
Claude
I'll start with a vote on Carl. My thoughts were that Ken flipping Mafia would look bad for him after doing a reread yesterday. And, well...
Vote: Carl
At one point, Michael questioned 3 people: Franklin, Carl, and Roman. Carl then called Michael out for fishing for noobs, but not any sooner that I can see. Carl then called into question whether Ken and myself were scum. Makes sense if you were trying to protect Ken to lump me in with the claim as well to make it less obvious. Let's see if I can get the posts in here:
This is where he lumped us both together in order to defend (potentially) one of his own under a bit of cover.
This seemed like an honest callout and re-direct at Claude. Honest in that he knew Claude wasn't scum with him, and he was trying to cast suspicion. I think this means Claude is a townie.
Apologies for so many posts. This will be my last comment, and it's simply a quote I want to also shine light on. I'll let some others show up and give their two cents.
It definitely seemed like he was flailing around at EoD trying to get anything going.
Here's a post from Carl that I'd like to hear thoughts on. He's pretty much defending Ken and trying to divert attention over to Michael, who Lance was still voting for at the time.
He then comes back and says this is why he wants to vote for Michael, because he is apparently the real fisherman here, so to speak.
What rubs me the wrong way here was that both myself and Asuka explained more than once that we weren't necessarily keeping our votes on Ken for that reason, it was for the reaction to it more than anything else, the double down on what seemed like some major bullshit, and then the disappearing act.
Nah, it's all good. Make as many posts in a row as you want.
Just doing a quick check in but I’ll be back in like two hours. Both of my day start comments are now useless and one is probably mildly self-incriminating but whatever. The first: I tried to make a post near day end yesterday to the effect of “I could have swapped votes here to Ken and I thought about it but I am purposely posting here to say that I consciously decided to let Michael die here instead.” The two things around that are, it wouldn’t have matter since people piled on to Michael in the last 30 seconds to prevent a tie so my vote would have either caused the tie or not mattered and when I hit post, I was met with a thread locked message because they really got that closed right on the dot. Full disclosure is really the only reason I’m saying that at this point since I was very complicit in protecting a mafia there.
The second, and it’s a shame Lance died, because I was going to come in with the obvious that he was pretty much lock town, more so knowing Ken is mafia but even without that knowledge, mafia never switches votes there like he did even if it was town/town. Oh well.
The second, and it’s a shame Lance died, because I was going to come in with the obvious that he was pretty much lock town, more so knowing Ken is mafia but even without that knowledge, mafia never switches votes there like he did even if it was town/town. Oh well.
Michael's death rested heavily on my soul that night. He was an ally after all. Even casting a vote as a tie prevention, that excuse rang hollow to my own mind. But maybe I was being too harsh. The odds of hitting an ally when there were so few worthless scum were very high. If I had kept my vote on Ken, then maybe...
But the next morning my fears were confirmed. Another ally. Dead. But our suspicions on Ken were vindicated. We found one of the bodies. But the game wasn't over yet. That meant that more killing had to occur. But that was fine. I was on a mission to find the truth. And the truth would set me free. I only needed to persue it. And for all I knew, the truth... Would persue me. Sometimes that was just the nature of things. Life didn't stop. Death didn't stop either. There were no brakes on this train, and we would all have to get off at a station eventually. Onboard condiments could only placate hunger for so long. It was like airplane food. A concept as dark as death itself. But there were tales too, of bullet trains in lands far away that took train meals very seriously. Maybe that was the kind of train we were all on, then. Nonetheless, it was a train hurtling towards the sun.
"I think we all need to look at the Michael push last night differently, now, with the information we have. And some of you do seem to be doing that. I am looking forward to seeing how these chips fall on the table. I will get back to you when I have properly collected my thoughts. In service of this..."
"I think what bugs me about this fiendish post, this dastardly dupe, this careless calamity, is that he tries to pre-emptively assert that he had doubts on the vote. "There's always a yeah, but..." Like someone was just fishing for an excuse before the flip. That doesn't sit well with me."
But the next morning my fears were confirmed. Another ally. Dead. But our suspicions on Ken were vindicated. We found one of the bodies. But the game wasn't over yet. That meant that more killing had to occur. But that was fine. I was on a mission to find the truth. And the truth would set me free. I only needed to persue it. And for all I knew, the truth... Would persue me. Sometimes that was just the nature of things. Life didn't stop. Death didn't stop either. There were no brakes on this train, and we would all have to get off at a station eventually. Onboard condiments could only placate hunger for so long. It was like airplane food. A concept as dark as death itself. But there were tales too, of bullet trains in lands far away that took train meals very seriously. Maybe that was the kind of train we were all on, then. Nonetheless, it was a train hurtling towards the sun.
"I think we all need to look at the Michael push last night differently, now, with the information we have. And some of you do seem to be doing that. I am looking forward to seeing how these chips fall on the table. I will get back to you when I have properly collected my thoughts. In service of this..."
"I think what bugs me about this fiendish post, this dastardly dupe, this careless calamity, is that he tries to pre-emptively assert that he had doubts on the vote. "There's always a yeah, but..." Like someone was just fishing for an excuse before the flip. That doesn't sit well with me."
Sorry about not being present EOD bad weather caused a tree to fall on the rail so was bus hopping instead.
Good shot on Ken, saves us a day lynching him (though now I'll have to wait for game end to hear the logic behind his fishing claim)
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With a role blocker dead that confirms 2 more scum members with a possible bonus SK
Seems likely to me that both of them were on the Michael train, especially when RB is such a good role to protect
I also found Carl's deflection against Ken suspicious and while it might be a bit too blatant (did he have a single post which wasn't soft defending him lol), that certainly isn't going to stop me voting him
VOTE: Carl
Good shot on Ken, saves us a day lynching him (though now I'll have to wait for game end to hear the logic behind his fishing claim)
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With a role blocker dead that confirms 2 more scum members with a possible bonus SK
Seems likely to me that both of them were on the Michael train, especially when RB is such a good role to protect
I also found Carl's deflection against Ken suspicious and while it might be a bit too blatant (did he have a single post which wasn't soft defending him lol), that certainly isn't going to stop me voting him
VOTE: Carl
I was meaning to address this before EoD, but: there's no time to write stupid prose in the last minutes of the game, you need to act first, bloviate later. I've always been talking in quotes... part of the act.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Carl (3 votes)
Trevor - #360
TommyV - #361
Huang - #372
Not voting: Claude, Franklin, Niko, Carl, Asuka, Catalina, Roman
Post Counts:
TommyV: 5 Trevor: 4 Claude: 2 Niko: 2 Huang: 1 Asuka: 1
Current Countdown:
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As said, MAJORITY IS 6
Day Start
Carl (3 votes)
Trevor - #360
TommyV - #361
Huang - #372
Not voting: Claude, Franklin, Niko, Carl, Asuka, Catalina, Roman
Post Counts:
TommyV: 5 Trevor: 4 Claude: 2 Niko: 2 Huang: 1 Asuka: 1
Current Countdown:
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As said, MAJORITY IS 6
Vote: Trevor
I slide the vote to the center of the table. This was going to be a tough one to explain, and an even tougher one to justify. But I had to do my due diligence to break up the discourse.
"We're zeroing in on one person. Carl. This feels almost too quick, too early in the day, for people to consolidate around one player so easily. I can't help but shake the feeling that scum had a backup plan, because they knew Ken would be on the chopping block. A plan to divert attention. This may be baseless speculation, but it doesn't feel like it to me. With you, I can't separate someone trying to look townie from somebody who actually is townie. I get the sense people are trying to serve a target up on a platter... And I'm always weary about that."
I slide the vote to the center of the table. This was going to be a tough one to explain, and an even tougher one to justify. But I had to do my due diligence to break up the discourse.
"We're zeroing in on one person. Carl. This feels almost too quick, too early in the day, for people to consolidate around one player so easily. I can't help but shake the feeling that scum had a backup plan, because they knew Ken would be on the chopping block. A plan to divert attention. This may be baseless speculation, but it doesn't feel like it to me. With you, I can't separate someone trying to look townie from somebody who actually is townie. I get the sense people are trying to serve a target up on a platter... And I'm always weary about that."
Claude showed up on my list along with Franklin, but Franklin ended up falling off pretty quick. I'm opening my notepad doc to see what notes made me suspect him...So, they aren't very damning, but I was trying to spot those who might have tried to sway attention away from Ken in any way. I came up with:
Why I'm suspicious of this last one in particular because not only does he take the time to vote for Michael, but once again throws out that he isn't a fan of voting Ken or myself. I'm still not sold at all on the logic of going after Michael for his newbie posts, especially because they were tame and innocent-enough looking compared to Ken's post.
And one more time he goes on to state he isn't a fan of a vote on myself or Ken:
However, Claude does appear to get into it a bit with Ken on the last 2 pages, and not in a way that looked like a fake screen. So, while Claude is on there, I'm still set on Carl way before him.
These are the posts in Carls case that stick out particularly to me. Weird to me to find somebody getting votes is unfortunate if you dont know their alignment. And then trying to deflect to somebody who turned out town.
This is fair, I'm actually suspicious of those votes rolling in so fast too. Huang is another one of my suspects, so the all-too-happy vote from him got a raised eyebrow from me.
In all fairness, I was ready to vote Carl the moment the day started as well. With the assumption that Ken was scum before this day started, it gave more than enough time to re-read every post in a new light. For me, the Carl vote isn't a quick one. I came to the conclusion a long time ago, before this second day began.
That's a pretty legit read, I had forgot about that interaction between Claude and Ken at EoD there, nice catch.
Well, shit.
Okay, I see your votes for me and I don't blame you.
When I voted for Michael - it's just like I said, I thought that the whole Ken/Tommy was a bunch of noise.
People went after Ken because of the early fishing - which I thought was a bunch of nonsense. @TommyV - that's why I made that comment, people were giving Ken a bunch of crap because of the fishing. Yes, there were other reasons, but that's the original reason his name went up, so my post was made in reference to that.
Was Michael fishing for information? Yes, he was. Some of you agreed with me. Others had other reasons. If that wasn't the case, other Townies wouldn't have voted for him. I may have been wrong, so look towards those that agreed with me for scum cause that might have been the attempt to get a train going on Michael instead of Ken.
Now, take a look at this post of mine...
Followed by this post...
I wrote most of that first post as the alarm to my dryer went off. I went and got the laundry, folded clothes, and then came back to finish the post.
That last sentence... I did not expect to get a train going on Michael. I was expecting it to be Ken and TommyV. I said I had reservations about my Michael vote and I was willing to change it in case of a tie between those two because I was expecting something like that to happen.
Little did I know how things had swung. That's the reason for the second post.
And you guys know that scum rarely get a train going. They latch on when they see an opportunity. I was wrong, but look at the people who quickly followed my vote. Or look at the ones who turbo'd just to prevent a sudden swing back to Ken.
I admit, I was wrong, but I was certainly not the only one.
Okay, I see your votes for me and I don't blame you.
When I voted for Michael - it's just like I said, I thought that the whole Ken/Tommy was a bunch of noise.
People went after Ken because of the early fishing - which I thought was a bunch of nonsense. @TommyV - that's why I made that comment, people were giving Ken a bunch of crap because of the fishing. Yes, there were other reasons, but that's the original reason his name went up, so my post was made in reference to that.
Was Michael fishing for information? Yes, he was. Some of you agreed with me. Others had other reasons. If that wasn't the case, other Townies wouldn't have voted for him. I may have been wrong, so look towards those that agreed with me for scum cause that might have been the attempt to get a train going on Michael instead of Ken.
Now, take a look at this post of mine...
Followed by this post...
I wrote most of that first post as the alarm to my dryer went off. I went and got the laundry, folded clothes, and then came back to finish the post.
That last sentence... I did not expect to get a train going on Michael. I was expecting it to be Ken and TommyV. I said I had reservations about my Michael vote and I was willing to change it in case of a tie between those two because I was expecting something like that to happen.
Little did I know how things had swung. That's the reason for the second post.
And you guys know that scum rarely get a train going. They latch on when they see an opportunity. I was wrong, but look at the people who quickly followed my vote. Or look at the ones who turbo'd just to prevent a sudden swing back to Ken.
I admit, I was wrong, but I was certainly not the only one.
Carl is the obvious choice. Getting that out of the way quickly with quotes so everyone can see why isn't bad. Though piling on more votes there currently makes no sense. He'll have to react with this much pressure and we can go from there. And there's plenty of time to look at other people.
Could you elaborate on this today? Since I was getting a bit scum vibes there from Catalina on D1 and would like to know what you meant exactly.
I didn't like my duty here. I felt alone. Cornered. I didn't know who I could trust, and I didn't know who really trusted me. Trust was a liability in these streets. These dark streets of bleakness. The goal was to get out of this alive with as many allies as I could... And yet, who was an ally? And who wasn't? I mused on this question a lot. In some ways I'm more suspicious of people trying to look like they're a friend rather than people just doing thier thing. People trying overly hard to justify their actions, and people leaning too hard into your concerns... It was a delicate balancing act. Walking a tightrope, over a pit of spikes. Spikes that were on fire. Spikes littered with blood from fallen comrades.
I saw Michael down there. I could still see his face. His eyes, wide open in terror, staring up at me. Pleading with me to find the murderer. Pleading to me, and anybody who might see. A life cut too short. A man with hopes. A man with dreams. Gone. In a flash. It made me want to sick up. But there was no time to be sick on these streets. The illness seeped into the rotten pavement, cursing all those who walked upon it. The streets themselves were sick. And we were supposed to be the doctors. But with every move, it felt more like I was taking my friends to the Pet Semetary than to the crematorium. Because these ghosts were ghosts that would come back to haunt me in my waking nightmare. A nightmare I would never wake from. Somebody, needed to wake me up inside. Because I can't wake up. They needed to save me. But they wanted me to save them.
"You achnowledged the validity of my point. That's a good step. But, pointing to someone else as a culprit rather than owning it fully... Well. That doesn't look so good. It looks like you're trying to be a friend, while directing us towards your enemies. Unfortunately for you... I can't sign off on this. 'Look at my target, don't look at me'. Textbook scum."
I saw Michael down there. I could still see his face. His eyes, wide open in terror, staring up at me. Pleading with me to find the murderer. Pleading to me, and anybody who might see. A life cut too short. A man with hopes. A man with dreams. Gone. In a flash. It made me want to sick up. But there was no time to be sick on these streets. The illness seeped into the rotten pavement, cursing all those who walked upon it. The streets themselves were sick. And we were supposed to be the doctors. But with every move, it felt more like I was taking my friends to the Pet Semetary than to the crematorium. Because these ghosts were ghosts that would come back to haunt me in my waking nightmare. A nightmare I would never wake from. Somebody, needed to wake me up inside. Because I can't wake up. They needed to save me. But they wanted me to save them.
"You achnowledged the validity of my point. That's a good step. But, pointing to someone else as a culprit rather than owning it fully... Well. That doesn't look so good. It looks like you're trying to be a friend, while directing us towards your enemies. Unfortunately for you... I can't sign off on this. 'Look at my target, don't look at me'. Textbook scum."
Well that's the thing though, I know you're wrong about me because I know I'm Town. Your worry about me seems to boil down to "He's almost too Townie!" which is not a very good scum read.
Conflict. A neverending circle of conflict. That's what this was going to be, and that's all this was going to be. People don't see the points you make. They see the points that serve them. But never let them ignore the sentiments behind your actual arguments. Because if they're not responding to those... Well. They're not responding to you. You may as well not exist. I may as well not exist. For it feels like I am talking to an illusion. An illusion as bleak as the innards of my soul.
"In the very speech you're responding to, I raised a point about you agreeing with my conclusions and then directing them onto individuals elsewhere instead of fully owning them. What are your feelings about this?"
[QUOTE"]Michael (8 votes)
Lance - #80 #291
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Franklin - #347
Niko - #350
Ken (4 votes)
Trevor - #38 #307
Asuka - #115 #290
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Niko - #287 #350
Lance - #291
Roman - #341
TommyV (1 votes)
Lance - #33 #58
Niko - #52 #287
Huang - #89
Ken - #258 #285[/QUOTE]
Quoting this here since it's all the votes at the end of D1. I'm fairly sure there must be one more scum on Michael. Out of everybody in that list, the ones I would consider are Catalina, since I already have a scummy read there, Carl for obvious reasons, and maybe Trevor imo. He voted late but expressed desire to vote there fairly early, shortly after Lance and Carl voted there IIRC. And I'm always wary of people trying to be in a leading role.
Carl - #270
Ken - #285
Asuka - #290
Claude - #295
Catalina - #305
Trevor - #307
Franklin - #347
Niko - #350
Ken (4 votes)
TommyV - #200
Michael - #281
Lance - #291
Roman - #341
TommyV (1 votes)
Huang - #89
Quoting this here since it's all the votes at the end of D1. I'm fairly sure there must be one more scum on Michael. Out of everybody in that list, the ones I would consider are Catalina, since I already have a scummy read there, Carl for obvious reasons, and maybe Trevor imo. He voted late but expressed desire to vote there fairly early, shortly after Lance and Carl voted there IIRC. And I'm always wary of people trying to be in a leading role.
Well but...Lance is dead and confirmed town. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this.
Thanks for posting that, Claude. I didn't realize it would go away at end of day and was sad to lose it.
Whether Carl is scum or not, I'll say this: I appreciate a good write-up like his. This is exactly the department Ken could have used some work on. He got way too defensive, lashed out, and started talking down to folks. It made it hard to see it any other way than him being scum.
I am going back and looking at who jumped on the train, and Catalina is standing out to me as suspicious. She jumps on the train with no write-up whatsoever, then later posts this:
Whether Carl is scum or not, I'll say this: I appreciate a good write-up like his. This is exactly the department Ken could have used some work on. He got way too defensive, lashed out, and started talking down to folks. It made it hard to see it any other way than him being scum.
I am going back and looking at who jumped on the train, and Catalina is standing out to me as suspicious. She jumps on the train with no write-up whatsoever, then later posts this:
Why later make a post calling Ken out for looking suspicious while leaving your vote on Michael...?
The thing is, this doesn't have to be true. And also, Lance is the one who started the Michael train, he was scum reading Michael all day almost, he had planted that notion into the thread.
So wait, you think Ken started the train? So do Scum start trains or don't they?
But do scum tend to protect themselves that obviously?
Come on, man... that's not how you would play as scum. Then tend to lay low and then bus their own to save themselves.
I thought it was gonna come down to a vote between Ken and you.
Ken was the leader for a long time. Would I have risked those comments I made if I thought that Ken was going to get flipped and revealed as scum?
It's not gone, the voting tool has a button to see previous days. Just posting for visibility.
I see what you mean, but what did you want me to say exactly?You made a huge post talking about the votes on Carl being too easy, then said I was being too Townie and this could mean that I am actually not. I agreed about the votes rolling in on Carl so quick, especially from one of my other suspects. I agree that I am a part of these voters, but I am more suspect of them than I am of myself naturally since I know my own alignment.
There were 4 votes on Michael when Lance pulled out.
I was the second vote... and it looks like I started the train.
But Ken came in and fully got it going... so he stoked the engine of the train - if that's a better metaphor than "started the train".
Catalina seemed to have a legit concern about Michael at EoD in this post, which is what made me feel good about that vote. It's part of what pushed me to change my vote as well:
"It's not that you're too townie, my friend... it's that you come across like you're trying too hard to appear townie. And I know you know your own alignment, but I also know mine. And that means that neither one of us can trust another."
Once again, I reach for a cigarette, only to find nothing there. I let out a soft curse. Cold turkey never tasted good.