Game Thread One Night Ultimate Werewolf XV

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
So we need Alex to clarify if he was talking about being villager or not if I'm understanding this right. And if he was talking about being a villager then we have to make sure that wasn't an intentional slip by Ynnek to get tanner Ynnek killed. Although Puns seems confident that tanner shouldn't be there. Am I'm reading this right? I have no idea what I'm doing. Puns, is there a reason why you aren't just coming out with a full claim?
 

Franconp

Frank
If we believe Tearable and Sparks that means that we know the 3 cards in the middle: mason, seer and tanner.

And that would mean that the Tanner is now in the middle. It would be one less thing to worry about.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Also, why everyone targeted me?

You want an actual answer? For me it was meta. We have a habit of scum reading each other pretty hard so I figured I would rob you just to cross that off the list and hopefully not have to worry about it. It ended up being a lot more helpful then I expected it to be though, not that I'm complaining.
 
I'm the witch

With that being said, if we believe the troublemaker, and we have no reason to disbelieve fran, Tanner is back in the center and the PI did not investigate and become one b/c it was initially in the center.

So, PI can still be a werewolf, but not a tanner.
If we believe Tearable and Sparks that means that we know the 3 cards in the middle: mason, seer and tanner.
no, you were revealed to be the seer. that means robber, tanner, and mason are in the middle
 

Franconp

Frank
If we believe all the claims so far we have:

Center:
Mason
Robber
Tanner

Villager: Ynnek
Mason: Sparks
Apprentice Seer: Fran
Witch: Tearable
Troublemaker: Faddy
Drunk: Chuggs
Insomniac
Revealer
Paranormal Investigator

Dream Wolf
Minion
Mystic Wolf

Players with no claim:

1. turmoil7 - GMT-3 - he/him
2. Apopheniac - EST - he/him
3. Lone_Prodigy - EST - he/him
6. Alexem - UTC+1 - he/him
7. Stuart444 - BST - he/him
9. malus - UTC+2 - he/him
 

Franconp

Frank
Stuart were you the minion?

Faddy changed you with Alexem. You can just tell us the wolves are and win with town (unless Alexem was a wolf).
 

Franconp

Frank
True story: I didn't scroll down further down to see who was my partner until I was alerted about it

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So you are confirming Stuart?

That would mean that we don't know one of the cards in the middle.

And that Stuart now have Alexem role and Alexem is a mason.

@Alexem if you were a wolf just tell us so we can lynch Stuart and win this game.
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
alright, fuck it

I'm the Revealer, I picked Fran because he was my waifu in LB2 and I trusted him to either be a good townie or screw us as woof/tanner

was trying to see if Tanner would try to claim, though I guess not even a Tanner would want to touch that
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
I'm the witch

With that being said, if we believe the troublemaker, and we have no reason to disbelieve fran, Tanner is back in the center and the PI did not investigate and become one b/c it was initially in the center.

So, PI can still be a werewolf, but not a tanner.

no, you were revealed to be the seer. that means robber, tanner, and mason are in the middle
You are not a witch.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
hah. That'd be a crappy way to lose. lol
You're right, it would. Guess where this is going?

My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.
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So, finding myself with a red check that also red checked me and a safe claim that I couldn't verifiy, my plan was to come back in the morning and fake-check a couple of trusted claims. But what's this?
Ok since Alexem is gone to bed. I'm the trouble maker.

I switched Stuart and Alexem.
All being well and good, then, that means I'm the Mason and Stuart's now a woofer, with LP presumably still being the dreaming doggo. Faddy, you've just gone from a Troublemaker to a two-in-one-night cop. Congratulations!
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
You're right, it would. Guess where this is going?

My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.
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So, finding myself with a red check that also red checked me and a safe claim that I couldn't verifiy, my plan was to come back in the morning and fake-check a couple of trusted claims. But what's this?

All being well and good, then, that means I'm the Mason and Stuart's now a woofer, with LP presumably still being the dreaming doggo. Faddy, you've just gone from a Troublemaker to a two-in-one-night cop. Congratulations!
That's assuming Faddy is telling the truth.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
That's assuming Faddy is telling the truth.
True, but given the alternative, it's an assumption that I'm willing to make. I know he can't have rolled Dream Wolf, because I saw LP had that before anything changed. If he were the Mystic Wolf, then I can only imagine he would claim swapping one of us if he had checked one of our cards and found the minion - if he'd checked me then he'd have seen that I was a PI and, if what you say is true, then the Minion card would still have been in the middle before you gave it to LP. The only concievable reason that I can think of for him fake-claiming Troublemaker like that would be if he checked my card and was gambling on me checking a Wolf - that would be a hell of a risk to take, I think.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
So who is what role and what are the center cards?

So far, my records look like this:

1: turmoil7 – CLAIMED HELD CARD: Insomniac
2: Apopheniac [Dr. Worm] - CLAIMED START CARD: Revealer
3: Lone_Prodigy - CHECKED START CARD – Dream Wolf / REPORTEDLY CHANGED TO: Minion
4: TearablePuns - CLAIMED START CARD: Witch
5: Faddy - CLAIMED START CARD: Troublemaker (switching Alexem and Stuart444)
6: Alexem - CLAIMED START CARD: Paranormal Investigator / CHANGED TO: Dream Wolf (copy) / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Mason
7: Stuart444 – CLAIMED START CARD: Mason / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Dream Wolf (copy)
8: ynnek7 - CLAIMED START CARD: Villager
9: malus - CLAIMED START CARD – Witch (giving LP Minion card)
10: Funky Dude Sparks [Nomad Sparkster] - CLAIMED START CARD: Mason
11: Fran - CLAIMED START CARD: Drunk / CONFIRMED AS HOLDING: Apprentice Seer
12: TheChuggernaut - CLAIMED START CARD: Robber / CLAIMED AS HOLDING: Drunk

Believed to be in the middle:
Robber
Tanner
Dream Wolf (if Malus' claim is correct)
 
So far, my records look like this:

1: turmoil7 – CLAIMED HELD CARD: Insomniac
2: Apopheniac [Dr. Worm] - CLAIMED START CARD: Revealer
3: Lone_Prodigy - CHECKED START CARD – Dream Wolf / REPORTEDLY CHANGED TO: Minion
4: TearablePuns - CLAIMED START CARD: Witch
5: Faddy - CLAIMED START CARD: Troublemaker (switching Alexem and Stuart444)
6: Alexem - CLAIMED START CARD: Paranormal Investigator / CHANGED TO: Dream Wolf (copy) / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Mason
7: Stuart444 – CLAIMED START CARD: Mason / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Dream Wolf (copy)
8: ynnek7 - CLAIMED START CARD: Villager
9: malus - CLAIMED START CARD – Witch (giving LP Minion card)
10: Funky Dude Sparks [Nomad Sparkster] - CLAIMED START CARD: Mason
11: Fran - CLAIMED START CARD: Drunk / CONFIRMED AS HOLDING: Apprentice Seer
12: TheChuggernaut - CLAIMED START CARD: Robber / CLAIMED AS HOLDING: Drunk

Believed to be in the middle:
Robber
Tanner
Dream Wolf (if Malus' claim is correct)
Here’s the thing, are center card theory falls apart now b/c of malus’ Claim conflicting with mine.

I’m the one that confirmed tanner taken from the center and being put back in the center.
This means that tanner is now back on the table of everyone believes malus.

I ofc don’t because I know my role is the witch, but I just want you all to know, that’s the new center card situation
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Here’s the thing, are center card theory falls apart now b/c of malus’ Claim conflicting with mine.

I’m the one that confirmed tanner taken from the center and being put back in the center.
This means that tanner is now back on the table of everyone believes malus.

I ofc don’t because I know my role is the witch, but I just want you all to know, that’s the new center card situation
That's true. I hate to bring up the old 'Which witch is which?' chestnut, but... yeah.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
True, but given the alternative, it's an assumption that I'm willing to make. I know he can't have rolled Dream Wolf, because I saw LP had that before anything changed. If he were the Mystic Wolf, then I can only imagine he would claim swapping one of us if he had checked one of our cards and found the minion - if he'd checked me then he'd have seen that I was a PI and, if what you say is true, then the Minion card would still have been in the middle before you gave it to LP. The only concievable reason that I can think of for him fake-claiming Troublemaker like that would be if he checked my card and was gambling on me checking a Wolf - that would be a hell of a risk to take, I think.
You're reason for why he probably isn't a wolf makes sense to me, but I think it's pretty reasonable to give fake swap targets so if one of them was a wolf at the start they would out themselves. But I'm just waiting for Faddy to clear that up.
 

Franconp

Frank
My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.

That's great.

Now, @Faddy who did you truly swapped?

I am the witch

Which card number did you see?
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
If Faddy really was lying and it turns out I'm still holding that copy of LP's card, you'd all better thank me when you're giving me the silver bullet.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
Malus smells like a minion.
how so?

When Faddy clears up his switch we know one wolf anyway since it's either Alexem or Stuart, unless we want to entertain the possibility that Faddy is a wolf or Alexem is a Tanner, but I doubt either of those possibilities.
 
based off IF everyone telling the truth, minus malus:

Alexem - investigated LP & Alexem became a dream wolf
Chuggs - robbed Fran. Chuggs became drunk & gave Fran robber role.
TearablePuns - chose center3=tanner, swapped that role w/ Fran's robber role. Fran became tanner
Faddy - switched Stu and Alexem, Stu became dream wolf, Alexem became mason
Fran - swapped tanner with center role & Fran became seer


After night actions:
Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
malus - Minion? Mystic Wolf?
Stuart444 - Dream Wolf
Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
Alexem - Mason
TheChuggernaut - Drunk
TearablePuns - Witch
Faddy - Troublemaker
Fran - Seer
turmoil7 - Insomniac
Apopheniac - Revealer
Ynnek7 - Villager

Center Roles: Tanner, Robber, (Mystic Wolf, Minion)?
 
I was originally a witch and I made LP into a minion.
When Faddy clears up his switch we know one wolf anyway since it's either Alexem or Stuart, unless we want to entertain the possibility that Faddy is a wolf or Alexem is a Tanner, but I doubt either of those possibilities.
it sounds like you’re covering up for LP.

I’d like to hear from LP. His role claim is going to contradict someone’s so I’m just waiting for who it will be
 

Franconp

Frank

You are protecting someone who were accused of being a wolf. And claiming that he is now a minion to prevent us for voting him.

Also claiming card 3 is suspicious because Tearable already claimed that card and I didn't counterclaimed him.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
You are protecting someone who were accused of being a wolf. And claiming that he is now a minion to prevent us for voting him.

Also claiming card 3 is suspicious because Tearable already claimed that card and I didn't counterclaimed him.
I must have missed where he claimed card 3. Where was that?
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
You mean this? I thought that was just him claiming tanner was one of the three center cards.
If I'm reading it correctly, Tearable's claim is that he, as the Witch, took the Tanner card fromt he middle and gave it to Fran. Then, on Fran's turn, he put the Tanner card back in the middle and picked up the Seer card instead.
 
Strategy wise, I probably should have kept the card number to myself just in case someone counter claimed me.

If I'm reading it correctly, Tearable's claim is that he, as the Witch, took the Tanner card fromt he middle and gave it to Fran. Then, on Fran's turn, he put the Tanner card back in the middle and picked up the Seer card instead.
Yes. I don’t think Fran ever said which card he pulled until now unless I missed it yesterday, @Franconp?
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
If I'm reading it correctly, Tearable's claim is that he, as the Witch, took the Tanner card fromt he middle and gave it to Fran. Then, on Fran's turn, he put the Tanner card back in the middle and picked up the Seer card instead.
I get that as well. But I didn't read "center3" as "card #3 from the center" but rather as "one of the 3 cards in the center".
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
That's great.

Now, @Faddy who did you truly swapped?



Which card number did you see?

I did what I said.

I might have lied if either Stuart or alexem claimed. Or there were conflicting claims elsewhere. But nope.

Now to make sure there is no situation where we are getting screwed.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
For me it is more likely Malus is telling the truth and Tearable is either the Tanner or Mystic Wolf.

I think it is for sure that minion is in the middle since we aren't getting more than 2 counterclaims.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
What role are you saying I am then
You're either a Wolf or the Tanner. As a Tanner you would have hoped for a counter claim, but it seems a bit too blatant. Hiding behind giving Tanner to a confirmed Drunk seems pretty save as a Wolf, though that would mean you are the Mystic Wolf.
 
You're either a Wolf or the Tanner. As a Tanner you would have hoped for a counter claim, but it seems a bit too blatant. Hiding behind giving Tanner to a confirmed Drunk seems pretty save as a Wolf, though that would mean you are the Mystic Wolf.
And what would that make the center cards?
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
The way I see it. As long as everyone trusts me we vote for Stuart and win.

working out what malus, tearable are doing and what LP is going to do is interesting. But at the end of the day we have Alexem outing himself as wolf and I say I switched him with Stuart. Simple.
 
The way I see it. As long as everyone trusts me we vote for Stuart and win.

working out what malus, tearable are doing and what LP is going to do is interesting. But at the end of the day we have Alexem outing himself as wolf and I say I switched him with Stuart. Simple.
Why? Stu got his role rooting from LP if everyone is to be trusted.
Why wouldn’t LP be the lynch?
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Why? Stu got his role rooting from LP if everyone is to be trusted.
Why wouldn’t LP be the lynch?

Malus claims that LP is minion. We should not rely on working out which one of you is lying. It is possible you are both lying.

I'm an uncounterclaimed troublemaker. Stuart is mechanically confirmed to have been dealt the mason card, impossible for both mason cards to be in the middle. Alexem is CONFIRMED TOWN. There is no reason for him to lie about investigating and becoming a wolf, therefore Stuart is ALWAYS a wolf.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Why? Stu got his role rooting from LP if everyone is to be trusted.
Why wouldn’t LP be the lynch?
Beacuse depending on who's telling the truth, he might be a Dreamer Wolf or he might be a Minion. If he's the former, he's a fair target - if he's the latter, he's no help to the village unless he's tied for votes with another Wolf.
I'm more surprised that someone targeted me.
Gotcha in here, fam.
 
Can we start the voting process tonight? Seems like I am THE target now for people.

If not then, I'll just be over here... howling.

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That's assuming Faddy is telling the truth.

You're reason for why he probably isn't a wolf makes sense to me, but I think it's pretty reasonable to give fake swap targets so if one of them was a wolf at the start they would out themselves. But I'm just waiting for Faddy to clear that up.

how so?

When Faddy clears up his switch we know one wolf anyway since it's either Alexem or Stuart, unless we want to entertain the possibility that Faddy is a wolf or Alexem is a Tanner, but I doubt either of those possibilities.

Now that you’ve heard from Faddy, are you fine with lunching Stuart?
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
If no new info is given and everybody agrees I wouldn't mind having the day phase end early.

Just one thing, if all of this depends on faddy telling the truth, what guarantee there is that he isn't a dog or tanner who claimed troublemaker but the card was in the center so there is no counterclaim?
 

Franconp

Frank
I don't think the day can end early.

And we have only one chance to catch a wolf or we lose. Why would we rush the decision?

And I think we should lunch LP over Stuart. He seems like a safer choice to me.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I don't think the day can end early.

And we have only one chance to catch a wolf or we lose. Why would we rush the decision?

And I think we should lunch LP over Stuart. He seems like a safer choice to me.

Why do you believe Malus is a liar?

Do you think he is more likely to be a liar than me?
 
Malus' chronology:

Alexem - investigated LP & Alexem became a dream wolf
Chuggs - robbed Fran. Chuggs became drunk & gave Fran robber role.
Malus - swapped LP's dream wolf role w/ center3. LP became Minion.
Faddy - switched Stu and Alexem, Stu became dream wolf, Alexem became mason
Fran - swapped robber role with center3. Fran BECOMES dream wolf (CONTRADICTION)

@malus says we have a sure target in Stu. This means he trusts Faddy. And since Faddy trusts Alexem, Malus also trusts Alexem.

This means that if we go with Malus' chronology and if he's the witch, when Malus hexed LP, he returned the Dream Wolf back to CENTER CARD 3.
Thus, when Fran drunkenly selected CENTER CARD 3, he put Robber as CENTER CARD 3, and picked up DREAM WOLLFFFFFF


Now, @Franconp, i know you've hinted at it already, but we need it official.

What card number did you select from the center?
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I'm trying to parse why here...

I mean Alexem's post way above pretty much states that I must be wolf.

There is an absolutely sick play where I am the mystic wolf and checked Alexem as PI. When Alexem didn't claim I assumed he ran into a wolf.
Then I just say I am the troublemaker because it creates confusion and picked you at random.
And now I am pushing people to vote for you instead of my partner LP.
Malus I would now think is our minion

So the final cards would look like this

1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
2. Apopheniac - Revealer
3. Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
4. TearablePuns - Witch
5. Faddy - Mystic Wolf
6. Alexem - Wolf
7. Stuart444 - Mason
8. Ynnek7 - Villager
9. malus - Minion
10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

Middle Cards
1. Troublemaker
2. Tanner
3. Robber
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Of course i know I am telling the truth and I am more inclined to believe Tearable than Malus so the final card should be this.

1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
2. Apopheniac - Revealer
3. Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
4. TearablePuns - Witch
5. Faddy - Troublemaker
6. Alexem - Mason
7. Stuart444 - Wolf
8. Ynnek7 - Villager
9. malus - Minion
10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

Middle Cards
1. Mystic Wolf
2. Tanner
3. Robber
 
Of course i know I am telling the truth and I am more inclined to believe Tearable than Malus so the final card should be this.

1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
2. Apopheniac - Revealer
3. Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
4. TearablePuns - Witch
5. Faddy - Troublemaker
6. Alexem - Mason
7. Stuart444 - Wolf
8. Ynnek7 - Villager
9. malus - Minion
10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

Middle Cards
1. Mystic Wolf
2. Tanner
3. Robber
If Fran confirms he selected card 3, that literally green checks me UNLESS LP claims witch, too.

And if i'm green checked, that means LP would be the person we lynch.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
If we believe Malus however

1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
2. Apopheniac - Revealer
3. Lone_Prodigy - Minion
4. TearablePuns - Tanner (could be Mystic Wolf)
5. Faddy - Troublemaker
6. Alexem - Mason
7. Stuart444 - Wolf
8. Ynnek7 - Villager
9. malus - Witch
10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

Middle Cards
1. Mystic Wolf (Could be Tanner)
2. Dream Wolf
3. Robber
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
If Fran confirms he selected card 3, that literally green checks me UNLESS LP claims witch, too.

And if i'm green checked, that means LP would be the person we lynch.
So which card would you have claimed to have selected?
Just so we are on the same page.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
If Fran confirms he selected card 3, that literally green checks me UNLESS LP claims witch, too.

And if i'm green checked, that means LP would be the person we lynch.

How does Fran's choice Green Check you? We know you claimed to swap his role with Tanner and then we know Fran picked up a different card because he is Seer now and not Robber. So therefore it is impossible to confirm you.
 
How does Fran's choice Green Check you? We know you claimed to swap his role with Tanner and then we know Fran picked up a different card because he is Seer now and not Robber. So therefore it is impossible to confirm you.
you're right. Fran DIDNT select center card 3. that means i cant be green checked.

so me and malus still cant be trusted.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I don't think the day can end early.

And we have only one chance to catch a wolf or we lose. Why would we rush the decision?

And I think we should lunch LP over Stuart. He seems like a safer choice to me.

Walk me through why you think LP is the better choice like I'm dumb.

The action order is tripping me up lol
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
@Lone_Prodigy

even after not believing me or malus, LP has yet to claim. everyone else has. that should be a red flag to anyone.

and i dont want that "LP being LP bs." he was just here. everyone had claimed. he should have too

LP is the Dream Wolf. Alexem PI'd him.

We do need to consider if there is a world where Alexem can be the minion. He can't be wolf because he still loses with a Stuart vote.

If Alexem is minion, then LP can still be Dream wolf and Malus has to be Mystic Wolf.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Scrap that. If Alexem was the minion he is switched and would now be losing with town. NOT A WORLD
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
@Lone_Prodigy

even after not believing me or malus, LP has yet to claim. everyone else has. that should be a red flag to anyone.

and i dont want that "LP being LP bs." he was just here. everyone had claimed. he should have too

You wanting L_P to be lynched fits with your win con if Malus is the Witch and you are the Mystic Wolf fwiw.
 
And we need to consider a world where you are the Mystic Wolf, @Faddy.
Just b/c you try that meta stuff, doesnt let you off.

It's convenient you find out about every role switching role before claiming troublemaker yourself.
You immediately saw that a seer and revealer in play.
Then a robber. Then a drunk. Then you saw my claim.

Then you claimed the last switching role LAST: the Troublemaker.

Robber, Tanner, and Troublemaker can very well be in the center cards.

Just throwing that out there
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
There is also a world where neither Tearable or Malus is the witch and they are minion and mystic wolf.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
And we need to consider a world where you are the Mystic Wolf, @Faddy.
Just b/c you try that meta stuff, doesnt let you off.

It's convenient you find out about every role switching role before claiming troublemaker yourself.
You immediately saw that a seer and revealer in play.
Then a robber. Then a drunk. Then you saw my claim.

Then you claimed the last switching role LAST: the Troublemaker.

Robber, Tanner, and Troublemaker can very well be in the center cards.

Just throwing that out there

I already said that.
 
I know you did, i literally just acknowledged why it's definitely a possibility. so, we shouldnt try and stop the day and rush to lynch stu

based off of your word
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
It's convenient you find out about every role switching role before claiming troublemaker yourself.
What about my role? It might not have changed anyone else's cards, but it could - and did - change mine. At the point Faddy claimed, I hadn't claimed PI yet, so he wouldn't have known if the as-yet-unknown PI had added another anti-village role into the mix. I know it's not quite the same angle as you were going for, but it does stand to reason that Wolf!Faddy would have had to consider the possibility of an unknown team-mate.
 
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