eh, it's a boring way but sure, okay.
Game Thread One Night Ultimate Werewolf XV
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eh, it's a boring way but sure, okay.
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
I definitely would vote for an LP lunch
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Alexem said L_P is the Dream Wolf.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah, the more I read into it, the more I feel like killing LP is the right call. It's the safest call. If we're wrong I will write Faddy a formal apology
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I don't. If Faddy switched my card with Stuart's then yes, I'm your partner now. If he didn't, then I've still got the Dream Wolf card that I copied from L_P.
At the start of the game, yes. A Witch would have moved after myself and Chuggs (the Robber) so, as has been mentioned, whether or not LP is still the Dream Wolf depends on the possibility of Malus gaving him a Minion card and making him a potential mis-hit for the village.
Alexem, who do you think we should vote for?
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Until malus' claim of giving LP the Minion card is disproven beyond doubt, I intend to vote for Stuart. I know trusting Faddy's claim is a risk, but it's a calculated one - his Troublemaker claim has been questioned but not actively countered, and, for reasons that I have previously detailed, I cannot think of a reason for him to lie beyond taking a massive gamble, the chances of which I consider to be quite low. LP, on the other hand, is just too risky for me - you and malus have countered each other and both have people on their side, but neither of you have, as yet, disproven the other. Besides that, if LP actually is the Minion, then for all the information that we have it still comes down to a thunderdome between myself and Stuart.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Well you don't need to solve me but you aren't solving malus or tearable either. And you should really try and do one.
I'm always voting stuart. So is Alexem.
Everyone else should vote Stuart as well. This is a guaranteed win. The only actual person who has thrown any suspicion on my claim is myself. I did this for the reason that Stuart just seemed to quit and the game was virtually over. When if he thought about it he could still find angles to win at least cast doubt on the game.
I don't think I have heard anyone give any solid reason for why Tearable is more believable than malus. Sure tear able posts more but that actually means nothing. Malus' claim and play is solid enough to have to put doubt in your mind. Instead what I am seeing is that most of you just seem scared of me.
It really is an annoying feature of some members of this community that no one is allowed to speculate or hypothesise what is happening in the game without a lot of town getting scared and deciding the person solving is actually scum.
Anyone believing Tearable 100% is falling into the standard way Mafia try to act townie. He breadcrumbed his role for absolutely no reason. He said he used the Tanner card which is the easiest role that will never be counterclaimed. He then insisted he could be cleared when he knew the mechanics of the situation from the beginning. He claimed first? That isn't a point for him in this game. The wolves have to claim something. Waiting around for all the town claims to come out is a terrible way to play ONUW. He risked a 1 in 3 chance Fran picked the same card, but his claim of card 3 was not explicit and could have been changed if counterclaimed
Now look at my claim. I waited until enough time went by for a PI to out. When they didn't I claimed. I had no idea alexem was pi that ran into a wolf or Stuart was a mason. If I was fake I was also running the risk of hitting the insomniac. As well as the 7 or 8 people who hadn't claimed yet.
You guys need to evaluate me. This should be easy. It is much more likely I am telling the truth than Tearable.
Vote Stuart.
Faddy, you're telling the truth.
I think i've figured it out, but i'm trying to shorten this crap ton of text and still make it clear.
If i say the center cards are Dream Wolf, Tanner, and Robber
And that there are 3 Minions in play right now, would you all at least hear me out?
I think i've figured it out, but i'm trying to shorten this crap ton of text and still make it clear.
If i say the center cards are Dream Wolf, Tanner, and Robber
And that there are 3 Minions in play right now, would you all at least hear me out?
This will be 3 separate posts so that it won't look too much like a wall of text:
Malus = Mystic
Malus = Mystic
- Woke up and saw that he didn’t have any allies.
- Investigated LP… Because it’s LP.
- Saw that he was a Minion
- Investigated LP… Because it’s LP.
- Claimed Witch 10th of us.
- This is after I had already claimed and said Tanner is in the center and that i chose card 3.
- He claimed to switch LP’s card with Minion
- That’s because he knows where the Minion card is. He investigated LP.
Alexem = PI
- Investigates LP… Because it’s LP.
- Becomes Minion
- Claims PI 11th of us after Malus claims says i’m not the witch.
- He knows Him and Stu have been Switched.
- Stu is now a Minion
- He claims b/c he isn’t afraid of repercussions. There are three Minions in play, and that is great odds.
- He knows Him and Stu have been Switched.
LP = Minion
- Doesn’t need to say anything because he knows Malus is the Mystic. Malus knows that LP is a Minion.
- Continues to say nothing b/c he’s figured out that he’s been investigated by both Alexem and Malus
- This should not come as a surprise to anyone. LP is known for not saying much in games and since this game doesn’t have a post limit, we needed to know what role he was.
- This should not come as a surprise to anyone. LP is known for not saying much in games and since this game doesn’t have a post limit, we needed to know what role he was.
- Continues to say nothing b/c he’s figured out that he’s been investigated by both Alexem and Malus
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
If this was normal Mafia I would at least try to make some sort of gambit to avoid the lunch. But ONUW is pretty compact and solvable and if the stars align it's an easy win for town.
The vote, for town, should really be between me or Stuart. Vote Stu if you fear me being a minion, I guess.
Wolves are voting Alexem I guess.
The vote, for town, should really be between me or Stuart. Vote Stu if you fear me being a minion, I guess.
Wolves are voting Alexem I guess.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
There's another factor that comes to mind that would also explain why Faddy chose to swap myself and Stuart - we're all in the same time zone. If Faddy's intention was to see if one his targets made a fake claim and then reveal his switch to turn the tables on them, it would make more sense for him to pick people likely to be around at the same time as him. As it turned out, though, Stuart waited to claim and I was unable to claim safely, having copied a Wolf card, hence why he stepped in and claimed when he did.
WHOA..
I wonder why LP chooses to post now....
I wonder why LP chooses to post now....
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Lol I know this isn't standard Mafia. If I had an actionable role I would've shared it.
LP, how about you try debunking it then instead of saying fluff?
i do find it very coincidental you decide to share your largest text posts after i say there are 3 minions in play.
i do find it very coincidental you decide to share your largest text posts after i say there are 3 minions in play.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Tearable, that doesn't add up. Even if LP had the Minion card and I'd copied him, after Faddy switched me with Stuart - the Mason - I'd have Stuart's card, not mine. That comes to two Minions, not three. Besides, if I thought that I was with the village after Faddy's claim and knew that LP and Stuart were Minions, why wouldn't I have just said 'LP and Stuart are Minions - ignore them'?
I'm voting Malus.
With everything i've said, lynching Stu, Alexem and LP is a waste of time.
And Malus is lying
With everything i've said, lynching Stu, Alexem and LP is a waste of time.
And Malus is lying
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I was never a Minion because - as I have clearly and repeatedly stated - LP was a Dream Wolf when I copied him.
i'll admit i was wrong. back to brainstorming your role.
Im close. That's why LP came in here.
Im close. That's why LP came in here.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And this is the person you guys are trusting over me?
Malus could be mystic wolf but he could also be minion. You have no way of knowing.
with the way things played out, I don't see how I could cast doubt on anyone without seeming like a total nutter tbh.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
PI isn't effected by minions, only wolf and tanner.
Tearable with this nonsense is looking more like the tanner now. And that make malus the witch and a loss for town if we go for LP.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
This is what I was thinking. If Tearable's the Tanner, it would make sense to claim that the as the Witch gave the Tanner card to the Drunk (i.e. Fran, who then put it back in the middle and picked up the Seer card. With everyone thinking that the Tanner card is safely out of play, he could then wait for the real Witch - who we'll say for the sake of argument is malus - to claim, then try to rail against them enough to look like he's the Mystic Wolf trying to force a mislynch.
I'm not saying that this is right, but it's how Tearable's play is making me feel about him. It's either that or he's stuck very hard in a tunnel.
this game is about theories and debunking.
how else will we catch the wolves? i don't get how you could think that line of playing is a negative
Definitely not in a tunnel if i'm willing to admit when i'm wrong.
The only thing i'm sure about in this game is that Fran is Village and Malus is lying.
The only thing i'm sure about in this game is that Fran is Village and Malus is lying.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Even if Tearable is the Tanner he's not exactly building a strong case for us to vote him.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Yes it's coincidental. I read Stu saying it was boring how I went MIA so I decided to YOLO.
What is there to debunk? I think everyone else has laid out the possible scenarios. I can keep saying I'm town but what would that accomplish?
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
If I'm the Mystic Wolf, would I share that?
malus
#1 official chartmaker
Why would Alexem lie about which type of wolf he investigated?
You left one thing out.
Switch LP and Malus around.
It was a half-meta theory.
LP is minion.
Alexem is Minion, through investigation.
Malus is Dream.
Stu is still Mason.
Faddy is Mystic.
Malus waited until the end to claim because he needed to see where he could fit in before counter claiming. That being said, he labeled Minion as what he took from the center because it was the only role that had not been claimed by anyone.
Malus saw that Alexem “investigated” LP and became a dream Wolf. Alexem said a Dream Wolf because he wanted us to lynch LP or Stu. LP being a minion and Stu... still a mason.
And malus knew damn well that wasn’t true... because he’s the Dream Wolf, not LP.
This is where the Dream Wolf, Malus, found two of his allies: LP and Alexem.
As for Faddy, Malus found out about him because Faddy keeps defending him.
Faddy says he’s 75% convinced that I’m the witch and yet he won’t listen to anything I say and keeps putting MALUS in his reasons to vote for Stu.
Faddy says vote for Stu because Malus could still be the witch...
But, you keep telling me I’m the witch, Faddy. Yet you’re still backing Malus solely.
Center: troublemaker, robber, tanner
Debunk me.
@Franconp
@Dr. Worm
@TheChuggernaut
@turmoil7
@Ynnek7
@Nomad Sparkster
You guys gonna be around before day end?
@Dr. Worm
@TheChuggernaut
@turmoil7
@Ynnek7
@Nomad Sparkster
You guys gonna be around before day end?
Alexem said he investigated LP as a Dream Wolf and not as a mystic wolf because he wanted the dream Wolf to find his allies
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
NOT HOW THE GAME WORKS
this is what happens when people don't read the rules at least twice.
Franconp
Frank
I wont. I will vote LP and hope that everyone else votes him too.
If that’s a fact and the P.I. cannot become a minion this theory still stands if:
Alexem investigated LP and then investigated you.
He would know you were the mystic.
And he was the last to claim.
Look at the post.
Malus said I wasn’t the witch and then Alexem followed by saying LP was the dream Wolf.
Alexem investigated LP and then investigated you.
He would know you were the mystic.
And he was the last to claim.
Look at the post.
Malus said I wasn’t the witch and then Alexem followed by saying LP was the dream Wolf.
I’m voting Faddy or Malus as of now until someone tries to debunk me because it makes too much sense
Faddy said he switched Alexem and Stu and then immediately after Malus came out and said I wasn’t the witch, Alexem built off of what faddy had said in order to support his teammate.
Their story of Stu literally relies on each other haha
Their story of Stu literally relies on each other haha
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Look at the person you are trusting @Franconp
He wants to vote me or malus!! Stick with me and vote Stuart.
@Alexem @TheChuggernaut @Nomad Sparkster @turmoil7 @malus @Ynnek7 @Apopheniac
Vote Stuart and win.
@Fireblend whats the rule on mentioning stuff from past games? I’m vague on it
give me an example of who you could have chosen
malus
#1 official chartmaker
Apopheniac
TearablePuns
Faddy
Alexem
Stuart
Ynnek
Sparks
Fran
TheChuggernaut
literally anyone except turmoil.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
Malus is a bad choice because even if he's lying he's 50/50 Minion/Woof, and lunching Minion loses the game for town. Bad odds
Stu is the safest bet if you believe Faddy's claim, because he'd be switched off Alexem. If you don't know about Faddy but are sure Malus is lying, go LP
Stu is the safest bet if you believe Faddy's claim, because he'd be switched off Alexem. If you don't know about Faddy but are sure Malus is lying, go LP
Franconp
Frank
Tearable made the same crazy conspiracy theories in HvV and he was town.
I believe that he is also town here. He is just really wrong.
I'm still voting LP because Malus claim Is full of inconsistences and Faddy is being shaddy.
All of you know that I'm town so I don't have a hidden agenda.
To me LP is the best lynch and I'm voting him.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah, I'm going to have o
He did this in TMBG also lol. I think Puns is wrong, but I don't think that makes him scum. Going with LP still.
He did this in TMBG also lol. I think Puns is wrong, but I don't think that makes him scum. Going with LP still.
Alexem played with Faddy in Brexit Mafia and beat him.
Fran played with me in TMBG Mafia… I lynched him… But his team beat me.
We tend to gravitate to the players we have had incidents with in previous games.
I investigated Fran because he was a pain in my ass in TMBG.
Faddy definitely remembers being defeated by Alexem in Brexit. That's why he checked his role.
Malus you chose LP because you didnt tell us who you hexed until Alexem told us he investigated him.
Fran played with me in TMBG Mafia… I lynched him… But his team beat me.
We tend to gravitate to the players we have had incidents with in previous games.
I investigated Fran because he was a pain in my ass in TMBG.
Faddy definitely remembers being defeated by Alexem in Brexit. That's why he checked his role.
Malus you chose LP because you didnt tell us who you hexed until Alexem told us he investigated him.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Explain how I am being shady?
And again you have tunneled Tearable as town. Sure he is acting really weird right now, has an unconfirmed action and has been counterclaimed but you can't even evaluate him.
when i say i investigated fran, i mean i hexed fran
malus
#1 official chartmaker
What inconsistencies?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
sure thing Mystic Wolf.
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
Still think it's super sus that Malus claimed witch super late and ignored TP's early soft, then only gave his result after Alexem outed LP, which very conveniently was the only plausible result that would save the outed scum from a lunch
but unless something changes in the next hour I'll prob vote Stu, may as well trust Faddy
but unless something changes in the next hour I'll prob vote Stu, may as well trust Faddy
BRUH.. Red, Flags below
You're right, it would. Guess where this is going?
My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.
So, finding myself with a red check that also red checked me and a safe claim that I couldn't verifiy, my plan was to come back in the morning and fake-check a couple of trusted claims. But what's this?
All being well and good, then, that means I'm the Mason and Stuart's now a woofer, with LP presumably still being the dreaming doggo. Faddy, you've just gone from a Troublemaker to a two-in-one-night cop. Congratulations!
this was literally sequential
malus
#1 official chartmaker
His soft claim would have been easy to wriggle out of. I wanted a clear statement before counter claiming. And then I went to bed before he definitely claimed.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I checked Alexem because we have played games together and sometimes i think he struggles to get involved so I wanted to get him active.
I picked Stuart because i wanted someone who talks a lot and would make the game fun with theorising. Unfortunately for stuart he got switched with a wolf and there isn't much he can do because his team mates are either in the middle or not doing enough to help him.
You know stuart is reading this and literally can't believe we would go for anyone else. He knows I'm town.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So you are saying he counter claimed you before Alexem claimed to have investigated LP as wolf
im saying that he didnt say who he hexed until after Alexem claimed. that's what matters here the most.
i'll be voting malus. i've explained why
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
this is a terrible choice and you should vote LP if you think he's lying
in order to vote LP i'd have to trust Alexem, who trusts Faddy.
I dont trust Faddy at all. Thus, i do not trust Alexem.
There's no straight forward mafia games, even in ONUW, but it seems like its being treated as such which is a shame
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Don't worry. Tearable isn't town.
Malus is probably the town.
Either way. Avoid this whole disaster area like I have said all game by voting Stuart
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
this logic is incredibly wretched but w/e, you're throwing away your vote
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
I'm more convinced by Tearable on this point than I am by you
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Tearable, you seem to have some fixation on LP starting as a Minion and me copying him. Please read this very carefully:
The Minion is on the Werewolf team, but is not a Werewolf himself. The PI will only copy a Werewolf or a Tanner. Thus, if LP was a Minion, I would have seen him and moved on to Stuart without copying him. QED.
b/c he told us his switch, confirmed by Alexem, makes stu a wolf. he's going to stand by that ultimately until day end b/c his role told him so so it has to be 100% right, so he wants us all to see it that way
meanwhile, we'll myslynch LP
You're late.
You also investigated Faddy and became a mystic wolf
@Alexem, you investigated LP. saw he was minion. you investigated Faddy. became wolf. after faddy claimed and malus countered my claim you told everyone LP was a DW so that we would lunch the minion. meanwhile, you and faddy have stories that rely on each other and malus tagged onto that story by saying he swapped out LP's role w/ minion b/c it was the only role not yet claimed and LP was the only one left that had yet claimed, too
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
How? From his perspective LP is 100% a wolf but he says he isn't voting for him. There is no scenario where this is not true.
It was hard to decide between Tearable and malus when they were both advocating towards what they know is right. But now Tearable is pushing for lynches elsewhere and some people still believe he is town.
Why are you unconvinced by me?
I asked Fran and he didn't answer, chuggs didn't answer? Will you answer?
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
You are now outright lying. I don't know if it's out of misinterpretation or malice, but I can tell you very clearly that you are spreading misinformation.
Incorrect. I have not lied once about my actions in this game and look forward to this being confirmed in the results.
before the game started, i had full intention full claiming on the first page... but not everyone was claiming right away like i expected so i withheld.
honestly, my biggest regret in this game isnt even the terrible theories ive made.
it's telling everyone what card i chose...
*card number i chose
this is the first time you havent found a hole in my theory...
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
This is what i believe the game state to be. Tearable is probably the Tanner but he could be the Mystic Wolf.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Did you ignore when malus pointed out the huge hole.
Why is he fighting a lynch on LP if it wins him the game?
Dr. Worm
Has a PHD in Worms
you effectively claimed by sharing your results, which gives away more information than claiming without sharing results
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So why do you not want to vote LP????