Spectator Thread Observing a Story as it Unfolds
- Thread starter Verelios
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turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
If LP successfully saves Reki, D5 would be
5 town
4 scum
clearly LYLO if a townie has common sense
There would be massclaim, LP and Reki should be safe because why would scum not kill to pull a hydrocannon?
The scum should had to mislunch from
VA
Stan
Kalor
Any of them would put up some fight
Key here will be the discipline of town to not put down votes early, also noticing there is no reason for scum to be less than 4(I don't why lately in the meta there is this wishful thinking of expecting scum teams to be ridiculously small).
Scum should be diciplined too in order to coordinate a successful hammer if a townie places a vote in another townie
5 town
4 scum
clearly LYLO if a townie has common sense
There would be massclaim, LP and Reki should be safe because why would scum not kill to pull a hydrocannon?
The scum should had to mislunch from
VA
Stan
Kalor
Any of them would put up some fight
Key here will be the discipline of town to not put down votes early, also noticing there is no reason for scum to be less than 4(I don't why lately in the meta there is this wishful thinking of expecting scum teams to be ridiculously small).
Scum should be diciplined too in order to coordinate a successful hammer if a townie places a vote in another townie
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Good game to Jman and Stove when they get here!
@jman1954goat scum can have(and in this game they indeed had) powers that hindrance town, so that's why you don't claim your power early, and don't say who you will kill in thread when you are a vig. Keeping secrets close to your chest is part of the game too when you are town.
Congrats @Stove on your win! Good job keeping yourself alive, it's easy to trip and get a dogpile on you
If I would know...
@jman1954goat scum can have(and in this game they indeed had) powers that hindrance town, so that's why you don't claim your power early, and don't say who you will kill in thread when you are a vig. Keeping secrets close to your chest is part of the game too when you are town.
Congrats @Stove on your win! Good job keeping yourself alive, it's easy to trip and get a dogpile on you
If I would know...
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I knew chuggs was to calm
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Man that last day felt awful i was talking to a brick wall
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
What exactly happened to my bullet by the way was it just a regular role block?
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Also I knew claiming during day meant it was likely my ability could be stopped I valued info from the vote more than getting a kill. I did not suspect multiple Vigs
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
For example I knew mafia was likely to only role block me if I targeted scum and that was info itself
Worse man, you got redirected
Verelios
Were-elios
No, scum had a one shot switch and used it to switch Hagi and Aeleus. That means when you shot at Hagi it was redirected to Aeleus which inadvertantly also killed Razmos who was hiding behind them.
Verelios
Were-elios
I think your idea was good, and claiming 2 shot was a brilliant idea. The only thing I would have done differently is that to have taken the shot first, claimed 2 shot the next day and then made your vote shot list, which may have forced scum to interfere with you when you were empty.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
wow yeah that's a really good idea
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Reki said to use they'll be mad if there's more than 2 scum because of all the anti town utilities in the game. XD
I'm sorry buddy :< You tried really hard. You didn't give up at least. >:D
Ahem Razmos died because he was hiding in Aeleus' dreams.
LOL they are really underestimating LP. He's the ninja town.Scum: We should check LP's role.
Also Scum: Actually, nah check someone else.
Me:
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
LP:Scum: We should check LP's role.
Also Scum: Actually, nah check someone else.
Me:
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Actually if LP saves Reki tonight and town lunches Hagi it'd be
5:3. If scum targets Reki they may fuck themselves because Reki would cause the two consecutive days which give town more shots to get scum.
If they successfully get scum both times, then it'd only be one scum left.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Is it weird that I am questioning of i played to hard or not hard enough . there a part of my brain that says things would have gone better if I went even crazier with my claim lol.
Verelios
Were-elios
It depends on scum targeting Reki now.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
You did really good! I was really questioning it when you claimed, but your plan was a really good one. If I had been in your place tho, I would have kept saying I had two shots so scum would waste a block/kill on me. I'd also probably shoot based on who I was most suspicious, just using the king vote as a way to get data and conceal my shot from scum. xD
Verelios
Were-elios
Hard to know. Sometimes town gets convinced by iron and fire crazyness, other times they lunch you first sight.
Ah yeah forgot Reki's role, you're right, but then why the fuck are they considering him for a kill in the first place?
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I am unsure of i want to jump into another game right away or not. That last 72 hours were so stressful. I nearly cried in real life this morning because I knew if I failed to save myself town would lose and it would be largely my fault.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yep... we'll see who they pick. And sorry guys but we won't tell you in here ;)
You'll find out when day starts.
These games are meant to be good fun and to relax man, don't take it so seriously, it's for fun.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
that was what I was gonna do I was gonna shoot HAGI no matter what the vote said. I even avoided voting for Hagi myself or mentioning him often that day but hagi by chance won the vote anyway
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
You mean like how town was willing to auto lunch Sparks and nin when they claimed? XD
When I played my first game (I lived the entire game so it was stressful as fuck >>) I decided to do every other game, so if that's what you want to do then go for it c: You were a welcome addition to our little community.
Also IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT. Town is in the position it's in because a lot of stuff that happened including clever scum ploy and sheer dumb luck. You really did try, town just wasn't having it even when Hedin made a weird flavor claim and no one noticed that Kalor got results from someone who was supposedly commuting.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
At least you held to your convictions then. c: And at least you got to unlock your vig shot. c:
I didn't when I played my first game. XD
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I'm sad you felt so bad Jman, it is ok to feel bad for the game going wrong or you making a mistake but remember that this is a team game and is extremely hard for a single player to win or lose the game by theemself, so this situation doesn't fall upon your shoulders exclusively. Overall town has committed several mistakes along the game while scum hasn't.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I believed him and was willing to spare him but when I saw how erratic he was being and how badly town reacted i quickly changed coarse it was not worth casting major suspicion on myself to save a neutral. Even though I was certain keeping sparks would not lose the game for town.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I was rooting for you when you said that actually :D We made a pro town neutral and an anti town one and I feel like you were one of the few who realized Sparks might not be a threat.
He could have sided with scum later, but he had a chance to team up with you guys too c:
What didn't help Sparks case was the double death the night before. XD Town was way too convinced of a SK in this game. XD Tho funny enough Roc used to have a killing power, but the review team and Pedro I think actually were against that. Your Vig shot was basically a counter to Roc that we kept in game.
I still kind of wish we had made you and Aeleus' roles masons. XD
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
If a couple more people stepped up I might defended sparks harder but I didn't want to be the lone guy trying to save a neutral and look anti town I needed to have major trust when I killed someone. I had not devised the Kingshot vote plan yet that plan came together only after sparks went home and I saw how little town had going for it. So I tried to make something happen. well I did make Something happened it was not good but it was something lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Trust me when I say I've been there. I don't know if I ever admitted this, but I did cry after losing MafiEra Mafia. These games get very stressful, and it's hard, for me at least, to not get emotionally involved in them.
However, as I was told after my first game when I blamed myself for Town's loss, I will now tell you after your first game, it is never one person's fault. These games have a lot of moving parts in them, especially a Role Madness game, and the result was not on any one person. For example, my role had literal random chance involved in it. If I had known on N1 that Chugg was a Jack of all Trades, I would have gotten him voted out on D2. Period. But I didn't get that info, so I wasn't able to do that. That's just one example of how the game was not on your shoulders, we could go back and mix and match people's night targets, make it so Sparks doesn't claim as a Neutral, and none of that stuff would have happened on those days, and none of that stuff happened because of you in the first place, it was just how the game went.
Basically, I'm just trying to say that I know what it's like to feel that way, and you're not alone there. I have honestly been much more personally responsible for the loss of a game than anything you did in this one, if it makes you feel any better. I literally once made a list of 3 players and convinced everyone to turbo through them back-to-back-to-back because I thought I had the game solved and the last Scum had to be on that list, but I was wrong and we fucking lost! But even then, it was not entirely on me! No one was forced to listen to me or do what I said, things could have went differently earlier in the game, etc. The moral of the story is, there's too many variables in these games to ever just lay it all on one person.
Damn man good job on having the strength to come out and say this, I wouldn't if I had cried in a mafia game
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Every one when I replaced in for Stan and immediately lost it for town because I believed scum!Reki over town!Blargonaut?
@jman1954goat we have all been there buddy.
If things had gone differently, town would have stomped Scum and scum chat would be complaining about it. XD
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I've cried at least once every mafia game I've been in except for Scooby doo. XD
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
it not feeling bad for yourself that got me emotional it was letting down a team of people depending on you.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Do we get to see mafia chat when the game is over?
You cried in HVV2? where?
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I can see why you'd be upset about that, but again you weren't the only one town was depending on. XD Town should have been willing to listen to all sides of the argument and they didn't. Some of that is because of their claims being convincing enough, but some of that is for town doing what town is going do.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yes you'll get to see everything actually including modchat if you are on our discord and the review thread on here. XD The gossip threads too. c:
Our games are transparent :D
uhhhh... don't remember when... but might have been when I was wrong about LP being scum and wasn't really believing in my reads at that point?
oooh and finding out I cop checked the town miller and RB'd the town ditto was embarrassing enough I might as well have cried >>;
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Question to everyone do you want to see me play more under the radar next game or like a absolute mad man?
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Mad King
Find a playstyle that fits you and your schedule, try to be consistent or people will call you out if they find differences.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Surprise us \o/ Basically play with a style that you find comfortable. XD Also... once you've settled into a style never fucking change it because man do people scum read you if you change it >>;
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
But if I keep changing my style and people can't pin me down won't it be even harder to guess when I eventually play as mafia?
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
like if I change style once sure but if I keep going longing styles evergame, how will th st read me when mafia if I skip as mafia it will just come off as a style change
Maybe but you'll have to endure some d1 or d2 lynches before that happens.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Most likely they will just scum read you because you are playing against the meta you have established.
When I first played I had read the game that came before it and was aware of meta being a thing, so I actually figured out my persona I'd be using for the rest of my mafia career :p
What I'm saying people is you have no idea what I'm actually like ;) (Or do you?)
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Also maybe I should not be discussing my future strategy in a public forum lol
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
That'd also be good :P I'm sure my advice will come back to bite me later so thanks for that.
Verelios
Were-elios
I'm not going to lie, there are games where I've had the chance to win it for town or at least get a thorough line to victory right then, but decided to showboat and ended up losing the entire game when something unexpected happened. 999 comes to mind, as does TMBG mafia, where a single mistake caused the game to spiral into defeat. The moments right after are the worst where it's a mixture of regret and release while also knowing that even though I did share some part in our loss, we failed as a team. My head knows it's a collective loss but my heart believes I could've been the second coming. It happens. You feel like shit afterwards.
But I just want to stress that there's a group of people feeling almost exactly the same emotions as you, and perhaps think they're just as responsible for your loss. It's the social aspect of mafia that I hope lets you have fun, where you've got great teammates, great rivals and a wonderful supporting team (no, I'm not fluffing myself up. Partially). Losing feels like shit, but I hope you guys also had a lot of fun during the game so that's mitigated when looking back on it later on.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Fuck it, some of the music in Nier still makes me cry XD or feel sad at least. I love it tho.
Also @jman1954goat did you like your death music? >:D
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
By the way sorry for messing up the voting tool with the King vote. Part of me thought I might crossing a line with the rules creating my own voting system but I went forward anyway. I'm hindsight should have asked permission first.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
It's okay XD I just had to warn you not to highlight things. XD It might have helped to read the rules tho ;)
Verelios
Were-elios
That's completely fine. So long as you don't use highlight with it you're welcome to make whichever lists you find are necessary. Or fun.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I have not looked back at the thread i am dead maybe I will look tomorrow and see what happened
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
... :o Are you aware what happened then?
NEVER FORGET!!!!
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I need to read that one apparently :o
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Wait stove died too wtf
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Read it again :P
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Wait no stove won ?
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Can you figure out why? c:
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I was being hunted now I feel terrible all over again.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
That too was not your fault. Stove entered the game and actually picked you immediately. XD Luckily town still has a shot. c:
Before when I had misunderstood the numbers I thought the game would end today, but that all depends on LP during the night. Either way it isn't your fault at all. Stove and scum were gunning for you.
Scum because they wanted to keep Hagi. Stove because of his wincon.
Verelios
Were-elios
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I did think it was weird when I received that first stove vote out of the blue
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Stove was hunting you, Fran, and Aeleus XD You just happened to be the one be picked night two so he stayed on you. Funny enough he checked Hagi night 3 and because of the switch he was told Hagi was from Facade too due to being switched with Aeleus.
He could have proved your shot was switched with that info.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
yes the music is very good
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I am looking forward to reading scum react to my role reveal . I assume they planed to redirect the bullet from the beginning. I always thought the worst scum would do was block my shot or survive my shot i never imagined i would create two town bodies
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I'm really hoping the kill fail i want to see at least one day as a spectator even though town probably loses anyway
Verelios
Were-elios
They're erring on the side of caution, so while they didn't specifically say anyone had protection they're making their choices with that in mind.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Turmoil7 I hope to play with you again being the day 1 lunch sucks
I think the next game is Mario mafia, if you're interested you should sign up, I will for sure.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
It’s especially funny since he just did this same play as scum lol
Yeah, it’s a super stressful game. Don’t let it get you down and don’t let the commentary make you feel bad. Shit happens. Just have fun! Sometimes it’ll break your way, sometimes it won’t.
Do what you want! Some people try and play super consistently, others like to be wild cards and switch it up. It’s your preference. Also, one game this season will be a costume game where everyone plays with costume accounts instead of a normal account to hide identities which could be something you’d enjoy.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
Thanks again for letting me play. I think I said so in the other thread but Neogaf mafia was the only reason I wanted a gaf account back in the day (I never could a paid email back then I was a teenager lol) it's honestly a bit surreal to play with a lot of the names I recognize from reading games while lurking all those years ago.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
We'll meet in another game for sure
Yeah that's a actually pretty interesting, usually new players are familiar with the new games and meta, but your case is the opposite, quite the oddity
Yeah that's a actually pretty interesting, usually new players are familiar with the new games and meta, but your case is the opposite, quite the oddity
Verelios
Were-elios
Thank you for playing, I hope it matched your expectations.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
ooooooh now seems like a fun time to reveal all the possible gossip thread names we have created for @Razmos power.
-A dream that you forget when you wake up
-A dream that seems nice until it isn't
-A dream long forgotten
-A dream of the ancients
-A dream that seems familiar and yet not
-A dream that seems weirdly just to be a bunch of talking with someone else???
-A dream about something from your childhood
-A dream that makes you mad but you can't remember why
One I really wanted to use if Razmos had lived to end game was "A drea- wait are we seriously doing this again??? How have you lived so long? Why haven't you found scum yet?
-A dream that you forget when you wake up
-A dream that seems nice until it isn't
-A dream long forgotten
-A dream of the ancients
-A dream that seems familiar and yet not
-A dream that seems weirdly just to be a bunch of talking with someone else???
-A dream about something from your childhood
-A dream that makes you mad but you can't remember why
One I really wanted to use if Razmos had lived to end game was "A drea- wait are we seriously doing this again??? How have you lived so long? Why haven't you found scum yet?
This was a fun first game. I was on the edge of my seat for a lot of those last few hours.
OH! I read it as whoever I mark for the day is my only target. This makes sense!
This was intentional! You have no idea how many posts I typed up, and deleted. When I marked Jman again, I specifically said my plan was to stay on jman and hope the chaos of the night turns people onto jman. That's exactly what happened.
I typed up at least 6 different messages when people started voting for me, but I deleted them because I didn't want the attention on myself. I wanted people to think it was senseless to remove me and go for who they thought was the most likely scum/neutral. If I spoke up people would be overanalysing everything I say like they were doing with my other posts and I would have trapped myself. I still can't believe it worked.
Thanks,
Sorry I was gunning for you jman, but that's the game I suppose. I was wondering if someone was going to point out how weird it was I was voting for you straight away because "My instincts tell me something bad about you"
He marked Jman twice even though we told him he could pick someone else because Jman will always be marked.
However, last night he scent checked Hagi and because A and Hagi were switched, he got a result saying Hagi is from Facade.
OH! I read it as whoever I mark for the day is my only target. This makes sense!
This was intentional! You have no idea how many posts I typed up, and deleted. When I marked Jman again, I specifically said my plan was to stay on jman and hope the chaos of the night turns people onto jman. That's exactly what happened.
I typed up at least 6 different messages when people started voting for me, but I deleted them because I didn't want the attention on myself. I wanted people to think it was senseless to remove me and go for who they thought was the most likely scum/neutral. If I spoke up people would be overanalysing everything I say like they were doing with my other posts and I would have trapped myself. I still can't believe it worked.
Thanks,
Sorry I was gunning for you jman, but that's the game I suppose. I was wondering if someone was going to point out how weird it was I was voting for you straight away because "My instincts tell me something bad about you"
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
They are a really good player C: Vere and I have been saying as much through out spec chat. No wonder I sided with scum them instead of town that one time :p
Also they can be pretty scary when they are on your scent even when you are town. XD
Hell they can be intimidating when you are the game runner. XD Hopefully Reki isn't too mad at us. :<
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I was screaming at a you today in real life it was infurarating that you stopped talking at all especially when the previous player in your spot was kicked for inactivity. Well played friend.
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I had hope this morning if stove comes back maybe my the pressure on him will force him to switch votes to Hagi lol. I see now you had me in checkmate from the start.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Your issue wasn't that you didn;t account for his time zone. XD When you made the votes in him I was like "nooooooo don't vote him" but I was also "LOL he's not coming back before day end."