Door 4 - Quarters
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Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Welcome to the Exclusion phase.
You will have 24 hours to decide who among your group to exclude from the game.
Vote as usual using the highlight tag.
If you don't want to exclude anyone use the command
Vote: No One
Majority is 3. A tie will result in no one being excluded.
You will have 24 hours to decide who among your group to exclude from the game.
Vote as usual using the highlight tag.
If you don't want to exclude anyone use the command
Vote: No One
Majority is 3. A tie will result in no one being excluded.
Hello fellow room dwellers!
I might be a little on the quiet side tomorrow as I'm off to the cinema and won't be back till probably after 8pm my time.
I might be a little on the quiet side tomorrow as I'm off to the cinema and won't be back till probably after 8pm my time.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Can you walk me through the specifics of this?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
@BronsonLee @Zippedpinhead @empressdonna What are your feelings on this grouping given you all had a different preference?
I don't mind having this group dynamic. I think it is going to be an interesting time, to say the least.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I was asked if votes were final in the other thread. My answer...
You may vote as many times as you want.
Majority will end the phase.
Excluded players will have their alignment reveal in the ERA thread once both Rooms have completed their Exclusion Phase.
You may vote as many times as you want.
Majority will end the phase.
Excluded players will have their alignment reveal in the ERA thread once both Rooms have completed their Exclusion Phase.
I only know Zipped, don't know you two, but Kopite being in here gives me at least a little more to go on RE: how peeps act
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I think Vere and Flux were genuinely trying to solve the game, with permutating how things would go with no lynch, etc. Saenima also gave me decentish vibes.
I'm a bit more null on you guys and I've mentioned I was a little suspect of Donna earlier I figured it was better for a townie like me to be here.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
You seemed interested in being paired with people you played with before, but didn’t you also talk about how bad your reads where during your first game?
I’m curious what stood out to you from Vere, because to me he seemed to just agree with what was put in from of him especially in regards to the exclusion stuff you’re referencing.
Acknowledged
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
well, I’m glad we didn’t go with N, but I’m ok with R. I just was stuck in a meeting.
I really wanted to not be in the room with saenima, (I think he would be hard to sway to my line of thinking) while also giving kopite the choice AND being in the room with Bronsonlee. I really wanted to be in the room with fluxwavez as well but meh I’m not there.
Now you might be wondering, why not N then because i also have a good feeling about empressdonna and Apollo so far and
Bronsonlee identified that they are playing differently prior to room decision, which is a town like thing to notice. Scum may make a conscience decision to play a different or same game, vs townie where we all shit post day one and then try to string some information together.
Until bronsonlee made that point, my goal was to get in a room with him and make the case to exclude him. His play has been very different the any other day in the last game I played with him by lying low. Since he made the statement that he is trying something different, it makes me think he is town vs scum trying to lay low.
Empressdonna I’m ok with (for today), kopite I’m ok with (for today) which leaves me with natiko.
I don’t know thinking in terms of three scum when we know there are two rubs me the wrong way. Why not think of two scum then null read those that aren’t confirmed town? I know you weren’t the first to think like that but you propagated it. I’m not sure your scum, but I’m not a fan.
We lose three people if every team excludes. Only two if one team excludes and only one if both teams don’t exclude. Is it better to keep all the townies but one for tomorrow, but we have to take shots at scum.
It occurs to me that if you had chosen the other room kopite, only natiko would have voted for this group combination. Flux and saenima voting around you for it.
Flux and bronsonlee were my top scum when I placed my room vote. But now I’m feeling bronsonlee might be town and I can’t vote to exclude flux.
I really wanted to not be in the room with saenima, (I think he would be hard to sway to my line of thinking) while also giving kopite the choice AND being in the room with Bronsonlee. I really wanted to be in the room with fluxwavez as well but meh I’m not there.
Now you might be wondering, why not N then because i also have a good feeling about empressdonna and Apollo so far and
Bronsonlee identified that they are playing differently prior to room decision, which is a town like thing to notice. Scum may make a conscience decision to play a different or same game, vs townie where we all shit post day one and then try to string some information together.
Until bronsonlee made that point, my goal was to get in a room with him and make the case to exclude him. His play has been very different the any other day in the last game I played with him by lying low. Since he made the statement that he is trying something different, it makes me think he is town vs scum trying to lay low.
Empressdonna I’m ok with (for today), kopite I’m ok with (for today) which leaves me with natiko.
I don’t know thinking in terms of three scum when we know there are two rubs me the wrong way. Why not think of two scum then null read those that aren’t confirmed town? I know you weren’t the first to think like that but you propagated it. I’m not sure your scum, but I’m not a fan.
We lose three people if every team excludes. Only two if one team excludes and only one if both teams don’t exclude. Is it better to keep all the townies but one for tomorrow, but we have to take shots at scum.
It occurs to me that if you had chosen the other room kopite, only natiko would have voted for this group combination. Flux and saenima voting around you for it.
Flux and bronsonlee were my top scum when I placed my room vote. But now I’m feeling bronsonlee might be town and I can’t vote to exclude flux.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
You feel you know a person based on how they played before, but then actions take over and you gotta listen to your gut. Gut says bronsonlee and empressdonna are town so far.
Flux also started to swing the vote to R. Mainly based on separating saenima and natiko, and as they said who wasn’t in their room.
Makes me curious about how their vote is going
Flux also started to swing the vote to R. Mainly based on separating saenima and natiko, and as they said who wasn’t in their room.
Makes me curious about how their vote is going
I was sub 50% on my reads last game, something I'm generally not happy about since in my old days, I was pretty sharp with it. Like we won, but I didn't help enough, you know?
I can't get a bead on sae yet, I'm pretty bad at D1 Mafia as noticed
I will also freely admit that the play has changed a bit based on two things:
1: I really screwed the pooch late game last time and I wanna get zeroed in proper
2: I'm all hopped up on painkillers and antibiotics rn
I can't even eat rice this is bullshit
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Err - these last two paragraphs don’t make a lot of sense to me. You were scumreading Bronson for playing differently, you acknowledge scum are more likely to make a point to play differently, and then you somehow come out Town reading all three for playing differently? Lol
Uh, where did I ever do that? I called out Kopite for doing so but never explicitly scumread anyone. I listed four people that had caught my interest, with two in particular being the most eye catching, and stated I wanted to be in a room with some of them in order to get a better feel.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, and I got that. When I questioned it I was asking along the lines of the likelihood of having three people you scumread enough with how little there was to work with to do your plan for dividing people up. Not sure how Zipped managed to take that conversation and turn it into his recent accusation.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
So I completely mis interpreted what you said, I really thought you two were defending it.
So now I’m at nothing on anyone in our group
man I really don't like this
I got nothing
I got nothing
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I should not have agreed to put myself in a room with most of the quiet people ._.
We are going to exclude someone, there’s way too much malaise in here to give it a pass. Zipped looks iffy based on the opening in here ending up flimsy and then backing off, but honestly at least him and Kopite have at least tried to put like a teensy effort into playing so far. Bronson and Donna are just an abyss of nothing right now.
Of everyone in the other group - who do you hope gets lynched and why? If you had to pick one person from each group to swap rooms who would you pick and why?
Just based off what we saw initially and how good I know Flux is at blending in while staying high activity I wouldn’t mind seeing him lynched. I would probably swap Saenima and Donna. I’ve never played with Sae before and he would likely be posting and sharing more thoughts which would push things forward more. Donna I have some concerns about, but there’s just not much to work with and she’s able to blend in better here. Would hope that pushed into a more active room she would be forced to share more thoughts and maybe they would be able to get a better idea of her alignment.
We are going to exclude someone, there’s way too much malaise in here to give it a pass. Zipped looks iffy based on the opening in here ending up flimsy and then backing off, but honestly at least him and Kopite have at least tried to put like a teensy effort into playing so far. Bronson and Donna are just an abyss of nothing right now.
Of everyone in the other group - who do you hope gets lynched and why? If you had to pick one person from each group to swap rooms who would you pick and why?
Just based off what we saw initially and how good I know Flux is at blending in while staying high activity I wouldn’t mind seeing him lynched. I would probably swap Saenima and Donna. I’ve never played with Sae before and he would likely be posting and sharing more thoughts which would push things forward more. Donna I have some concerns about, but there’s just not much to work with and she’s able to blend in better here. Would hope that pushed into a more active room she would be forced to share more thoughts and maybe they would be able to get a better idea of her alignment.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Having inactive players does sorta suck, even though I'm a little guilty of that too.
Anyway I'm going to put a vote down on Donna to at least get something out of her. I feel she's contributed very little, and the little she has has been a little piggybacky.
Vote: empressdonna
Anyway I'm going to put a vote down on Donna to at least get something out of her. I feel she's contributed very little, and the little she has has been a little piggybacky.
Vote: empressdonna
Kopite
Quickdraw King
If I had to take a no choice vig shot right now I'd target Apollo partly because of her lower activity and poorish room choice, but mostly because the other 3 seem more towny to me. I think you asked me why I townread Vere and that's because he was looking to get all those room/lynch combinations that Flux worked out.
I think your scum read of Flux is a little out there, he's blended in so we should consider lynching him? Does he not blend in when he's playing town? If he's scum do you think he'd go through all that effort to chart the potential outcomes? Wouldn't he blend in better just wallowing a little in the low activity?
I'm also getting a decentish feel from you as you're trying to get things moving, whereas scum would love to just chill.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, he inquired about it but then he both agreed with Flux about no excluding then also agreed with me about excluding. He didn’t really want to take a stance. I don’t think that means he’s a lock for scum - just was enough for me to not be sold on his towniness.
As for Flux I think you missed the first bit where I mentioned it being in addition to what we saw the first day. To go more in-depth on my thoughts from my discussion with him D1: I personally don’t think skipping excludes is a positive outcome for us as it gives us less chances to hit scum. I felt like Flux’s attempt to push for no exclusions by focusing on the number of phases as opposed to number of exclusions was potentially calculated to try and get people to buy into the idea of passing up attempts at catching scum. I don’t want him dead because he can blend in, I just think the fact that he’s good at blending in while remaining high activity makes him dangerous if he’s scum. His play in MafiEra was really good and up until quite late almost none of us pegged him as anything but town when he was in fact cult.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
If we still barely get much activity are you cool with lynching one of Bronson/Donna? You don't seem like you'd want to vote for a no lynch
Just woke up, a little groggy.
I feel like this is something I've been accused of a lot even in previous games. Yeah, I'm not going to deny the little contribution yesterday and I explained why that was the case and sadly today will end up being similar because of the reasons I stated before.
To try and combat that, I'll post as much as I can before I leave the house.
I feel like this is something I've been accused of a lot even in previous games. Yeah, I'm not going to deny the little contribution yesterday and I explained why that was the case and sadly today will end up being similar because of the reasons I stated before.
To try and combat that, I'll post as much as I can before I leave the house.
I hate lynching for activity so if it was me, I'd probably go for saenima but that wouldn't be because I think they are scum but only based on the fact out of the two I don't know as well, I feel like Flux has helped town a bit more this phase.
Room swap wise? I'd probably swap vere with natiko only because I feel like I could get a better read on vere despite having played with natiko before.
I should have said you instead of natiko because you were the one asking natiko haha.
I'm still waking up :(
I'm still waking up :(
Right now, I feel like I'd vote for Bronson only because I don't think we've heard enough out of him to get a good read on him, though I know that is laughable considering my own contributions yesterday.
Zipped, I've had a small gut feeling that he is town despite his early posts that people brought up in the main thread and both Kopite and Natiko seem like town right now due to them both being a little annoyed at being in this room while it is so quiet.
So I'll put my vote on Bronson right now, just in case I can't later.
Vote: BronsonLee
Zipped, I've had a small gut feeling that he is town despite his early posts that people brought up in the main thread and both Kopite and Natiko seem like town right now due to them both being a little annoyed at being in this room while it is so quiet.
So I'll put my vote on Bronson right now, just in case I can't later.
Vote: BronsonLee
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
My top scum is fluxwavez, based on how it was thin to go to this room, and gut feeling from earlier in the previous day phase. I can’t vote for them, but if I was in the other room.
I’m going to theory about benefits for not excluding today, this is a thought exercise and I’m not going to vote that way unless others agree. I have only voted no lynch once and it really made day 1 & 2 feel extra long.
After both rooms exclude and scum takes their toll, we have 6 people left. I’m not sure how the next day phase is set up but would it make more sense for us to not exclude today and leave us with 7 people?
With only 9 people, we have two day phases of three deaths if we don’t hit scum. If we chose not to exclude then we have 7 going into tomorrow. Which leaves us, in my opinion, a better shot to hit scum with one of the two exclusions tomorrow (smaller rooms, less townies to draw bad votes and a little more information about targets and vote patterns from today)
Just a thought exercise, and I will vote for an exclusion if that is what we wish. I just wanted to outline that tomorrow is MYLO if we don’t hit a scum today.
Of course with two lynches we could also end the game today.
I’m going to theory about benefits for not excluding today, this is a thought exercise and I’m not going to vote that way unless others agree. I have only voted no lynch once and it really made day 1 & 2 feel extra long.
After both rooms exclude and scum takes their toll, we have 6 people left. I’m not sure how the next day phase is set up but would it make more sense for us to not exclude today and leave us with 7 people?
With only 9 people, we have two day phases of three deaths if we don’t hit scum. If we chose not to exclude then we have 7 going into tomorrow. Which leaves us, in my opinion, a better shot to hit scum with one of the two exclusions tomorrow (smaller rooms, less townies to draw bad votes and a little more information about targets and vote patterns from today)
Just a thought exercise, and I will vote for an exclusion if that is what we wish. I just wanted to outline that tomorrow is MYLO if we don’t hit a scum today.
Of course with two lynches we could also end the game today.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I don’t want to vote for Donna more than I don’t want to vote for Bronson. So if it truly comes down to those two, that’s where my head is.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
W
Whats ur reasoning for this?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I would prefer that people at least reached 5 posts in a 24 hour phase but I will not be replacing people if they don't hit that mark due to the small number in this game.
Just woke up, sorry, I'll poke through things now
My inactivity is honestly less 'I'm not around' and more 'I need a cord to pull on to get things rolling' and it ain't happening here yet
My inactivity is honestly less 'I'm not around' and more 'I need a cord to pull on to get things rolling' and it ain't happening here yet
I'll throw down reads for our group:
Kopite: Town lean. Getting things moving, first to put a vote down.
Natiko: Town lean. Pushing for lots of info, likely trying to solve the game on their own. Those two are the more active in this room.
Donna: Scum lean. I'm never big on coastie toasties in any Mafia game, as Zipped knows.
Zipped: Scum lean, though not as much as Donna. Admittedly thought it was odd that he went to zero in on me right outta the box, but that's likely just a personal thing.
Kopite: Town lean. Getting things moving, first to put a vote down.
Natiko: Town lean. Pushing for lots of info, likely trying to solve the game on their own. Those two are the more active in this room.
Donna: Scum lean. I'm never big on coastie toasties in any Mafia game, as Zipped knows.
Zipped: Scum lean, though not as much as Donna. Admittedly thought it was odd that he went to zero in on me right outta the box, but that's likely just a personal thing.
I think donna's justification for voting for me could also be applied to her tbh
with such a tiny majority though I'm not keen on turboing just yet, I got too gleeful with that power last time and lynched town for no reason
Reads for other group:
Sae: Scum lean. Kinda throwing a lot out there pre-room, seemed to be fairly adamant about what room they wanted to be in?
Flux: Null. I don't remember enough of their stuff here pre-room, and I've never played with them before.
Apollo: Town lean, seemed to be fairly into grabbing info.
Verelios: Town lean, same thing.
Do we know if we will be able to see the room chat for the other room after it's done?
If they had already majority voted, would we have found out?
If they had already majority voted, would we have found out?
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Mostly gut feeling, based on the “I want to be in a room with people” between Apollo, empressdonna and bronsonlee they all voted N, and they all would have been in the same room (with me).
I thought this whole conversation and vote pattern was remarkedly townie. Since I was reading bronsonlee as scum at the time I didn’t read into his reasoning but I liked empressdonna and Apollo’s reasoning (even if I didn’t agree being the final forced participant for that room)
Since I’m reading bronsonlee more townie now, I’m not sure what would have happened if we HAD chosen that room combination.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Honestly if Apollo or verelios end up excluded on that time I’m personally going to try and gun for fluxwavez.
Are we at hammer or is this a hard vote time no early end? It’s not exactly clear in the rules
Are we at hammer or is this a hard vote time no early end? It’s not exactly clear in the rules
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
There have been similar questions in both threads. I accept that I didn't clearly set out the rules in the opening post. However please refer to these posts for the rules for this phase.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Ok so we are at hammer, thank you. And we can change our vote.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Failure to read on my part, we are at one vote each dumb zipped
Man what do we wanna do? The main move I see is a no exclude right now and I'm admittedly not keen on it
I kinda wanna talk through what our options are here
I kinda wanna talk through what our options are here
shit
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, you're probably the only person I don't think I'd vote for at this point. You haven't done anything that screams town to me, but you aren't giving me the bad feelings I'm feeling from others.
You don't want to exclude over low activity.. but you would gladly exclude a higher activity player even though you don't have any specific thoughts that they may be scum?
If we don't hit scum and do a single no exclude today tomorrow is still mylo unless we skip a second exclude. I do not in any way get this grasping people have done to no exclude. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm really struggling to follow your train of thought. So to recap - Bronson was playing different than you remembered so you scum read him. He pointed out Donna and Apollo were playing differently than he remembered, so you then town read all three of them. Now if forced into a choice between Bronson and Donna you would pick Bronson even though the reason you scum read him applies to both of them and you liked that he vocalized it..? I'm not trying to be an ass, I just seriously don't know if you're just throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks or what.
Absolutely not in favor of this.
ok so if we're definitely doing an exclude today, where is everybody at vote wise?
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I'll vote to take out Donna. Yes being inactive due to personal reasons can be a bitch, but it's also an easy cover for scum. Just the last game scum player LuxCommander used that excuse for his inactivity.
lol and right as I say that
Yeah I forgot about how Lux was coastie toastie there, the vig shot really turned the game around in Mansion
Yeah I forgot about how Lux was coastie toastie there, the vig shot really turned the game around in Mansion
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Donna isn’t playing differently than I think. Maybe different than the last game but largely similar to other games I have played with her. Bronsonlee I have only played one game with so the change affected my perception more for him.
It’s thin, it’s not much to go on. It’s kust what I have been perceiving.
I am ok with excluding. I feel that kopite and yourself (and obviously I’m not voting for myself) and with my not wanting to vote empressdonna
Vote: Bronsonlee
It’s thin, it’s not much to go on. It’s kust what I have been perceiving.
I am ok with excluding. I feel that kopite and yourself (and obviously I’m not voting for myself) and with my not wanting to vote empressdonna
Vote: Bronsonlee
Yeah I'm not keen on that logic tbh fam
How did you go from 'between donna and bronson, I'd have to vote bronson' to 'not wanting to vote for donna' too either
I guess I'll throw a vote down so we can all see where we're at?
VOTE: empressdonna
How did you go from 'between donna and bronson, I'd have to vote bronson' to 'not wanting to vote for donna' too either
I guess I'll throw a vote down so we can all see where we're at?
VOTE: empressdonna
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I don’t want to waste my vote, but I also want to vote to save the one of you two I feel is more town.
And if she gets excluded and is scum, well it’s still great and she had me fooled
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Wait - then why did you like when Bronson made that argument if you don't think it's actually true? I'm truly lost. I wish I could vote you, but that would do shit all at this point.
I'm fine with hammering - everyone is quiet as hell, but I'll at least give people other than me a moment to put in their thoughts. Need to decide which of the two to bury anyways.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Damn, wish I had seen this sooner. I'm right there with you on Zipped.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Alright, well time to do this thing. I could see either one tossed honestly since they've done shit all. I'm going to vote off Donna though primarily because I trust Zipped least of all and don't feel great about the idea of voting with him.
VOTE: empressdonna
See you all on the other side.
VOTE: empressdonna
See you all on the other side.