Game Thread Grand Mini Mafia V - Game Thread

Thank you.

MMCCD?? and thus we have a lie. I am a Mason with Trevor. The suggested comp of MMCCDDV with SK is impossible, as 0T has no SK. Yet we have additional kills.
Asuka was a doctor without shot limitation, so that would be three Ds if you were to believe Roman.
 
We can confirm MMCCD??, what leaves us with 2-0T. Yet only 1T has a role that fits with the current claims and the additional kills.

The SK is either Roman or Claude.
 
So there's somebody lying between me, Catalina and Trevor, and Roman. Correct?

No. Between you and Roman. Well, suspect me and Trevor as well if you really want to accuse us of being the final two scum.

Started to think about if role liars could be scum too but I am really too tired for this. There is a lie there for sure though.
 
I looked over Asuka and Carls posts and couldn't find any hints but that doesn't seem to be important
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Roman give us breadcrumbs which apply not only to you being a doctor but also having one shot

If the mason play was a scum scheme then it was set up at day 1, I don't buy that, this means that the set up is

T
C: CARL
C
M: Trevor and Catalina
M
D: Asuka
D/V: Roman or Cloud

We kill Roman or Cloud today, the other one is confirmed town due to role slots

This means that the other evils are TommyV and Franklin
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Game solved
 
Look back at interactions with me and Trevor. From my side, there is very little, I think there is like a single post on D1 where I town read him. Trevor on the other hand generally town read me a lot, especially on D2 when he, almost alone IIRC, defended me in multiple posts. Some of my perceived arrogance and whatnot can be attributed to my role, I knew that at any point I could claim rather reliably if the push came to shove. Finally there is this:



The capitalized words form: Catalina Townie Confirm.
This could still be a gambit of two scum pretending to be masons and breadcrumbing just in case they want to go forward with the claim, but what makes this more unlikely to me is that this breadcrumb is from D1 when Ken was still alive and defending each other is a risk in case one of you two gets lynched if you were scum.

On the other hand claiming 1-shot doctor like Roman did is a way safer and likely gambit.
 
No. Between you and Roman. Well, suspect me and Trevor as well if you really want to accuse us of being the final two scum.

Started to think about if role liars could be scum too but I am really too tired for this. There is a lie there for sure though.
It's all right. We still have 45ish hours, so we'll have plenty of time to step back, re-energize, and come back at this tomorrow when people start burning out tonight.

No, I'm saying between these somebody is definitely lying. Of course everybody is still suspect. But there is one liar in there or the setup doesn't work.
Sorry....could you explain why in that group specifically someone is lying?
 
Franklin - VT
Roman - 1xDoc
Trevor - Mason
Michael - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Huang - Vanilla
Niko - Vanilla (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla (Confirmed)
Catalina - Mason
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Ken - Scum Roleblocker (Confirmed)

Has to be 3 scum because of RB, so we started with 10 non-scum. confirmed DCC, and I'm inclined to believe MM for now. That's 5 PRs claimed, and 6 vanilla. Those numbers do not work. A SK just makes it all worse.
 
It's all right. We still have 45ish hours, so we'll have plenty of time to step back, re-energize, and come back at this tomorrow when people start burning out tonight.


Sorry....could you explain why in that group specifically someone is lying?
Role slots, there are either 6 possible slots for town PRs to fill up or 4, with the amount of claims we have right now that's 7 role slots, so one of the claims has to be lying. Are you SK or scum by the way?
 
Taking SK out ascertains us a 3-0-2 tomorrow.

Killing mafia puts us to 4-1-1 for the night.

2-1-1 / 3-1-0 / 3-0-2 / 4-0-0

(???) / (continue) / (continue) / (win)

2-1-1 devolves into a no lynch into a fucking madness.
 
On the other hand claiming 1-shot doctor like Roman did is a way safer and likely gambit.
To expand on this, nobody can confirm the claimed action here besides Roman. And he also fits the bill of a neutral in terms of posting behaviour to me. Mainly laying low.
 
Let's assume you're telling the truth:

Why did you decide to not use your shot in N1?
I wasn't particularly confident in who i wanted to protect N1, and having just replaced in and made practically no dent in the game i was pretty confident i would survive.
It being a 1shot i really didn't want to just fire blindly, figured at the least i would have a smaller pool to choose from on D2
 
We can confirm MMCCD??, what leaves us with 2-0T. Yet only 1T has a role that fits with the current claims and the additional kills.
No, we can confirm CCD. Your mason claim is as unconfirmed as my vig claim is.

I think Roman is the more likely culprit here right now, but I do not like you framing things like that. Just a note.
 
No, we can confirm CCD. Your mason claim is as unconfirmed as my vig claim is.

I think Roman is the more likely culprit here right now, but I do not like you framing things like that. Just a note.

I don't care about what you think. At all. My claim is about three infinites more trustworthy than yours.
 
I don't care about what you think. At all. My claim is about three infinites more trustworthy than yours.
I'm ignoring you from now on unless it's absolutely necessary. You can get out of here with this attitude. Really helpful in general in solving the game.
 
I wasn't particularly confident in who i wanted to protect N1, and having just replaced in and made practically no dent in the game i was pretty confident i would survive.
It being a 1shot i really didn't want to just fire blindly, figured at the least i would have a smaller pool to choose from on D2
Your answer here is believable at least. Though with one of us three/four lying, this being a really safe claim for a SK still looks bad to me.
 
Because we definitely have a SK and with the claimed role combination there can be no SK.

From the wiki:
OK. This is what was throwing me off. I saw at times the generator could create just 2 Mafia, but didn't realize the role combinations/restrictions.
 
Your answer here is believable at least. Though with one of us three/four lying, this being a really safe claim for a SK still looks bad to me.
Current set up possibilities

Masons are real:
T
C: CARL
C
M: Trevor
M: Catalina
D: Asuka
D/V: Roman or Cloud

Masons aren't real:
T
T
T
C: Carl
C
D: Asuka
D/V: Roman or Cloud

Regardless of Catalina's claim, if you are town that means Roman isn't
 
Current set up possibilities

Masons are real:
T
C: CARL
C
M: Trevor
M: Catalina
D: Asuka
D/V: Roman or Cloud

Masons aren't real:
T
T
T
C: Carl
C
D: Asuka
D/V: Roman or Cloud

Regardless of Catalina's claim, if you are town that means Roman isn't
Then make it a thunderdome between me and Roman. Seems like the most obvious option we can go from here.
 
Then make it a thunderdome between me and Roman. Seems like the most obvious option we can go from here.
I've been suspicious of Roman, but only ever so lightly because of when his vote for Ken came in that I thought it was a possible cover knowing Ken was more than likely safe by that juncture.

If Catalina and Trevor are scum pretending to be masons, then well....that is pretty smart. And Trevor definitely had a load of experience under his belt, obvious from his posts, that I wouldn't put it past him. His vote switch to Michael from Ken is still iffy. More iffy than Roman's vote on Ken.
 
*Reads through*
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*Rubs temples*

All right. Time to go to work then

Trevor, please confirm me for the clown.

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Oh, that is a nice one. I can't really use them myself since I'd be copying them from the scum mason chat but since you made them, you can.

Nice.
 
I could believe The Masons being a gambit, its a big one but everyone was just going on and on about how close the game might be to ending, i could see this as as a push to try and really get things over the edge for them.

And catalinas totally unnecessary Ass-ery to Claud and mr "Confirmed Town" above sure dont help.
Your answer here is believable at least. Though with one of us three/four lying, this being a really safe claim for a SK still looks bad to me.
Yeah thats fair, im not going to pretend that im in a good spot right now.
 
I suppose the question here is: Do we want to get rid of the SK today or hunt for mafia, which is either the two claimed masons or between the vanilla townies?
What would be better, 3-0-2 or 4-1-1? In case we decide the masons are lying it would be more 4-1-1 to immediate 3-1-0, but still.
 
I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
 
I suppose the question here is: Do we want to get rid of the SK today or hunt for mafia, which is either the two claimed masons or between the vanilla townies?
What would be better, 3-0-2 or 4-1-1? In case we decide the masons are lying it would be more 4-1-1 to immediate 3-1-0, but still.
In case we want to get rid of the SK today, it's simply between me and Roman. One of us two is the SK.
 
Please do that, the less I have to experience your existence the better.

Fuck off.

Okay, this is not okay, either of you.

6. Mafia can be an intense and stressful game at times with situations becoming heated. Despite this, being overly hostile towards your fellow players is not allowed. If a player is caught name calling, using slurs, and/or other aggressive behaviors determined by the gamerunner they will be warned. If these behaviors continue despite the warning that player will be modkilled. No exceptions.

This is a warning to both of you, calm things and take a step back if you're getting frustrated
 
Okay, this is not okay, either of you.

6. Mafia can be an intense and stressful game at times with situations becoming heated. Despite this, being overly hostile towards your fellow players is not allowed. If a player is caught name calling, using slurs, and/or other aggressive behaviors determined by the gamerunner they will be warned. If these behaviors continue despite the warning that player will be modkilled. No exceptions.

This is a warning to both of you, calm things and take a step back if you're getting frustrated
Acknowledged. I'm not the one who went straight to namecalling because of confirmation talk, but I won't claim I couldn't have just ignored it. Won't happen again.
 
Personally, since the claimed masons breadcrumbed as early as they did, I'm not confident enough in the possibility of it being a gambit.

So I'd say SK goes today. Thoughts?
 
Personally, since the claimed masons breadcrumbed as early as they did, I'm not confident enough in the possibility of it being a gambit.

So I'd say SK goes today. Thoughts?
Actually do you mind giving me your current read list?
 
Time to get into deep hypotheticals and make a stab. This whole thing falls apart if a single piece of my logic train is incorrect though:

1. If we assume Catalina/Trevor are Masons
2. I assume I'm a townie
3. I assume Huang isn't Mafia solely based on Ken trying to throw his ass under the bus for fishing and those two having what appeared like a serious back-and-forth
4. If we assume Claude OR Roman is SK
5. Conclusion: It doesn't matter who is SK, but we're left with Roman/Claude/Franklin as a combination of Mafia/SK. Our last 3. I'm inclined to believe

Non-Scum

Michael - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
Niko - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)​
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)​
Lance - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)​
Scum
Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)

Unconfirmed
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Roman - Doctor

Franklin - Vanilla Townie
TommyV - Vanilla Townie
Trevor - Mason
Catalina - Mason
Huang - Vanilla Townie


For any other townies out there, use the logic for yourself as a townie. All you have to do is pick out someone you're confident is a townie, and the 3 you're left with is scum in some way, shape, or form. IF you believe Catalina/Trevor.





 
Actually do you mind giving me your current read list?
Sure.

Roman: Not much to say, with it being between him or me, knowing my role and alignment I know he has to be the SK. As said before, his posting behaviour fits since he's been mainly laying low, and the 1-shot doc claim is a pretty safe one to hide behind.

Huang: He doesn't post often, but when he does, he goes in-depth with things. I particularly liked his posts today, was well analyzed. Leaning town on him after I had no strong opinion on him before.

Franklin: I've liked his posts in general for a long time, and he has so far left a townie expression on me. Also Town lean.

TommyV: Unsure. He definitely seems a bit newbish, but not necessarily in a "ah, he can't be in a thread with other scum" kind of way. Don't want to discount the possbility that scum might be there.

Catalina: Has been a scum lean for me, would have voted there today if it weren't for the claims. Seemed generally disengaged in the beginning. The mason claim saves her for me.

Trevor: Had the role of a town leader so far, and I was a bit wary of him for it so far. Only occasionally said something I raised my eyebrows at though. The mason claim makes him more of a possible lynch than before for me in case town decides that it's a gambit, but for now I would postpone that discussion for the next day.

So all in all, I want to lynch Roman today and the day after we can talk out how likely a mason gambit is, or who among the other vanilla townies might be lying and is actually scum. In case I choose to believe both of you are masons, that will mean I'm at least wrong on one or maybe even two of my town reads.
 
So I'd say SK goes today. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

You see the problem though, right? Your claim is only possible if the masons are lying, regardless of anyone else. Roman's claim is possible based on what we currently know. DDCCMMV and a SK is impossible. DDCCMMT and a SK is not. If Roman is lying, that still means DCCMMTT, which is also impossible with a SK. You're either both liars, or you're a liar by yourself. If you actually flip 1xvig, than we know the masons are lying, and we also have a SK, which is terrible position for town as well, but that seems really unlikely.

Vote: Claude
 
Honestly my guts is telling me more to go with the masons, but If it does come down to me or claude then its pretty obvious were my vote will be going.
 
Roman: Not much to say, with it being between him or me, knowing my role and alignment I know he has to be the SK. As said before, his posting behaviour fits since he's been mainly laying low, and the 1-shot doc claim is a pretty safe one to hide behind.
And FWIW the 'laying low' was much more timezone and unexpected RL reasons.
 
So all in all, I want to lynch Roman today and the day after we can talk out how likely a mason gambit is, or who among the other vanilla townies might be lying and is actually scum. In case I choose to believe both of you are masons, that will mean I'm at least wrong on one or maybe even two of my town reads.
Nah, we can talk about it today. We've got time.
 
If the masons are telling the truth:
If Roman is lying:
DCCMMVT -> SK is possible
If I am lying:
DDCCMMT -> SK is possible

If the masons are lying that just adds replaces the MMT with TTT and with TTT SK is also possible.
 
I need to sleep now. @Franklin you're in dangerous territory already with that vote, we're 3 from majority and we have 3 anti-towns in play. Hope you all don't hammer before I wake up or something.
 
If it helps, I promise I'm not making a vote tonight. People are too heated, tired, and we're close enough to the endgame that we need to use up more of our time contemplating this. I'll feel more comfortable to vote tomorrow before night's end.
 
I'm about to tap out of here for a while (probably only a post or two more tonight in me before bed), but I'm going to throw out one thing. Now that Catalina and Trevor have handcuffed themselves together as Masons, if we were big gamblers, we could go for one of them. If one is scum, we know the other is also. If we're wrong though, we're in an even worse spot. Definitely a high-risk, high-reward scenario.
 
I need to sleep now. @Franklin you're in dangerous territory already with that vote, we're 3 from majority and we have 3 anti-towns in play. Hope you all don't hammer before I wake up or something.

Unvote

You're right.

I'm still trying to get my mind around this damn game mode. If you're the SK and lying, it means we have DDCCMMT, which works, and one lying Vanilla Townie. If you're telling the truth, it means we have DCCMMVT, which means Roman and TWO vanilla townies are lying and we're probably doomed. SK might actually win, lol. Problem is we have to get the SK moreso than scum today, which is rough.

My brain is fried at this point.
 
Hmm nobody yet has bothered to make the "Masons are scum because Cat was fishing for the claims. Instead of being what she says they are, the masons are mafia and wanted to get the other claims out of the way so they could use their inherit advantage of being possibly able to decipher the game seed from their comp and thus claim an something that could not be countered (easily). "

I think it tells something about the authenticity of the counter-mason push if the pushers aren't formalizing actual arguments apart from "possible scum gambit" or "hidden meanie masterminds in action".
 
Hmm nobody yet has bothered to make the "Masons are scum because Cat was fishing for the claims. Instead of being what she says they are, the masons are mafia and wanted to get the other claims out of the way so they could use their inherit advantage of being possibly able to decipher the game seed from their comp and thus claim an something that could not be countered (easily). "

I think it tells something about the authenticity of the counter-mason push if the pushers aren't formalizing actual arguments apart from "possible scum gambit" or "hidden meanie masterminds in action".
It solves itself with your deaths. Neither scum nor SK can afford to let you live if it’s true, and we can’t afford to lynch you and be wrong.
 
It solves itself with your deaths. Neither scum nor SK can afford to let you live if it’s true, and we can’t afford to lynch you and be wrong.
So your options are either you kill one of us and a different town dies during the night phase or we try elsewhere and scum/sk kills one of us during the night phase.
 
Perhaps I am now enough of a big child to not be a dickwad. My apologies to everyone and especially to Claude for going above what can be considered acceptable behavior. While I am annoyed at certain game events and consider Claude's general argumentative behavior avoiding, deflective and distant, I could say those things instead just like that instead of being utterly frustrated and taking it out on others like the fuckhead I am. Again, my apologies, the fault lies with me.
 
It solves itself with your deaths. Neither scum nor SK can afford to let you live if it’s true, and we can’t afford to lynch you and be wrong.

In general I pity the murderers for having to consider various options here about whom to shoot and not. Should scum hunt for the SK? What about shooting the masons, kill one and the other gets confirmed so both need to die but the second kill comes from the other source and what if it lands on you instead?

Must not be fun.
 
In general I pity the murderers for having to consider various options here about whom to shoot and not. Should scum hunt for the SK? What about shooting the masons, kill one and the other gets confirmed so both need to die but the second kill comes from the other source and what if it lands on you instead?

Must not be fun.

I'm guessing they'd go for SK. At this point it's probably too dangerous to kill any of the remaining town without giving away too much info.
 
In general a townie lynch here most likely ends the game. In the best scenario I think it takes the control away from us. So I encourage everyone to pick their poison. But I hope everyone does it with more reasoning than feels and guesses and "MigHT aS WElL gO FoR THIS lul". This is not just me arguing against those who entertain the mason lynch but me arguing against any easy argument. Don't just go, please, with the ROMAN V CLAUDE THUNDERDOME RAAAAAAAWR and pick one cuz that must be it. We have to kill every meanie, not just the SK.
 
In general I should write an another post that in general begins with the words in general to showcase that in general most of my English vocabulary can be rather repetitive in general and while in general it can be understood as in general I learned the language through generic, not general this time, mass media, I worry that in general I must sound stupid sometimes in general.

-Written while inside a general.
 
In general a townie lynch here most likely ends the game. In the best scenario I think it takes the control away from us. So I encourage everyone to pick their poison. But I hope everyone does it with more reasoning than feels and guesses and "MigHT aS WElL gO FoR THIS lul". This is not just me arguing against those who entertain the mason lynch but me arguing against any easy argument. Don't just go, please, with the ROMAN V CLAUDE THUNDERDOME RAAAAAAAWR and pick one cuz that must be it. We have to kill every meanie, not just the SK.
Sure, we don't need to default to the thunderdome if there's still plenty of time to scumhunt. Thing is I don't think voting out either you or Trevor is a good idea at this point, so for me it'd have to be between the other three. And between those three, I'm townreading two people and am just kinda unsure on the other one. So I'm wrong on at least one of those in that scenario.

On the other hand, with me knowing my role I know Roman is lying. It's a surefire way to get rid of somebody anti-town today. So personally for me that's just the way better option as opposed to trying to get mafia today. And if he's the SK, which is what I think, I'd argue leaving a second kill alive isn't good. One might argue it might help us if they kill scum, but I'd argue that we can't be sure they get scum, and in the worst case town is fucked with two NKs.

That's just my personal take, I realize it's different for people besides me and Roman who don't for sure who between us is lying.
 
Though I'm just now realizing that leaving the SK alive today might make mafia use their NK on them if they have a good idea who the SK is. Ugh. I don't really want to bet on that though.
 
Question: What happens if one scum and the SK survive till the end? Do they win together, since it's basically a tie?
 
0-1-1 is a SK win indeed. Note the wording of the win conditions. Mafia needs a majority, what 1-1 is not. SK on the other hand merely needs to be the last player alive. Both night kills happen at the same time and thus mafia never obtains a majority, while SK dies but at the same time was the last player alive with the single mafia member.
 
Niko is filler.
Trevor's activity is NAI.
Michael likes coffee.
Huang was addressed above.
Everyone else is blending together and not sticking out.

Disappearing now, don't @ me.

Collection of minimal observations, entry one: scum names four people, three of them (or two, you do you) are known to be town. Obviously Huang is scum then. /s
 
Nothing surprises me any more in a game where our cop suicides without without any breadcrumbs or claiming, nor does our full doc breadcrumb as far as I could tell.
 
argh no numbers pls ok ill do it

4-1-2 becomes 3-1-2

1-1-2 / 2-0-2 / 2-1-1 / 3-0-1 / 2-1-2

no lynch into night shootbang madness / mafia win / no lynch into night shootbang madness / continues / special case where SK and mafia shoot the same townie and this has a number of variations based on who gets lynched next

Well, one option is a straight loss, in two town loses control, and the two are winnable with different difficulties. Still, town lynch tosses the power to the next set of night kills, what already is almost equal to a control loss.
 
Though I'm just now realizing that leaving the SK alive today might make mafia use their NK on them if they have a good idea who the SK is. Ugh. I don't really want to bet on that though.
I agree they would probably want to go after SK themselves if we don't go after. As for betting, I'll roll the dice wherever people want to take it.

#1 point of a game is to have fun. I've had a good time whether we win or not, I'm willing to roll with the group wherever we land.

Non-Scum
Michael - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
Niko - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)

Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)

Scum
Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)

Unconfirmed
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Roman - Doctor
Franklin - Vanilla Townie
TommyV - Vanilla Townie
Trevor - Mason
Catalina - Mason
Huang - Vanilla Townie

I'm still a going with: if Catalina and Trevor are Masons, I only have to pick a single person that I believe is Townie from remaining list: Claude/Roman/Franklin/Huang. Once selected, the remaining 3 are scum.
 
If we were in danger of killing a townie wouldn't the SK aim for a scum to balance things out and keep the game going so they could make it to the end? And if that's the case, Scum would be gunning for the SK now overall just in case because leaving them alive leads to the most detrimental outcomes for them. On the other hand if we successfully kill a scum then SK will kill a town and it would most likely be one of us.
 
Opinions on the likelihood of TommyV being scum? He and Ken were in the lead both with 3 votes for a while on D1. How likely is it that it was scum vs scum until Michael got pushed more?

On the other hand, though while reading through Tommys stuff I looked at D1 end again. And though I really don't want to take the risk today and rather go for Roman, the actions of our claimed masons don't look good in hindsight, so I'll mention it anyway. Might be more important the day after this one.
Talking specifically about these posts:
VOTE: Michael

Vote: Michael

Still unsure on Ken, but he's expanded on some of his thoughts here, and I think he's got a better hold on this game than Michael who seems like he's possibly faking it here.

Ken is really doing his best to look suspicious. The must turn this around go with the tide go go do it kind of suspicious.

-Said someone voting for not-Ken.

Something about rivers and dices here.

Fuck me, I'm still fine with the Ken vote as well. I am just torn lol.
 
Those are the votes that pushed Michael above Ken. From a scum perspective, the expression of doubt about Ken could be to secure themselves a bit after they got forced to make such a play to save a scummate.

On the other hand, scum loves bussing, and all three scum on the same vote is risky.
 
Opinions on the likelihood of TommyV being scum? He and Ken were in the lead both with 3 votes for a while on D1. How likely is it that it was scum vs scum until Michael got pushed more?

On the other hand, though while reading through Tommys stuff I looked at D1 end again. And though I really don't want to take the risk today and rather go for Roman, the actions of our claimed masons don't look good in hindsight, so I'll mention it anyway. Might be more important the day after this one.
Talking specifically about these posts:
I still find Trevor's reasoning for switching to Michael really, really weak. And I also called out Catalina Day 2 for why she mentioned Ken was making himself more suspicious, while still keeping her vote on Michael. She explained herself, but Trevor never stood out to me until yesterday, so I didn't ask him. And now he is gone...so we'll never know. Now, the reasoning could be they were scum who wanted to get Michael gone to protect Ken, OR....they'd chatted about Michael in their own room, which is why reasoning in this main thread was lackluster.
 
Roman V Claude SK idea is true. We mislynch the SK. Mafia thus knows the SK (these assumptions are important for this to work).

1-1-2 is actually a mafia win though. No lynch, mafia know the SK, SK shot does not matter because 1-0-1 is a mafia win.
2-0-2 is a mafia win.
2-1-1 is... no lynch. SK win / Mafia win / SK win / Town win / Town kingmaker for SK or Mafia.
3-0-1 is still a game.

2-1-2 EVERYONE knows the SK. SK / Town lynch is a Mafia win. Mafia lynch makes it the 2-1-1 above.

...

HMMMMMMMM. We need to kill the SK btw. Really. They might be BP. And I hate how this increases the layers of thought again.
 
D1 was us working as a unit. Remember, we can't talk during the day in our chat so our ability to coordinate things was limited. D2 we ended up on the same target as well.
 
Right now after looking at votes again, my thoughts on the possibilities of anti-town:
SK: Roman
Scum: Either Trevor + Catalina or TommyV + Huang.

Why I excluded Franklin? His behaviour in general looks townie to me. I don't think placing that vote on me that he did today on false assumptions scum would so openly try. I also don't think scum would wait to be the hammer on D1, since they had interest to help Ken and push in other directions as early as possible.

Huang has a vote together with Tommy on Carl, and Tommys vote on Ken D1 could be a bus vote, with Huang trying to lay low by sitting on TommyV until day end.

Scum team boils down to which is more likely to me: Scum abandoned Ken early or tried to rescue him and the Michael push wasn't just town being dumb.
 
I still find Trevor's reasoning for switching to Michael really, really weak. And I also called out Catalina Day 2 for why she mentioned Ken was making himself more suspicious, while still keeping her vote on Michael. She explained herself, but Trevor never stood out to me until yesterday, so I didn't ask him. And now he is gone...so we'll never know. Now, the reasoning could be they were scum who wanted to get Michael gone to protect Ken, OR....they'd chatted about Michael in their own room, which is why reasoning in this main thread was lackluster.

For Trevor the straw that broke the camel's back was the post I made about Michael's weird vote post. He did rather follow me on that one.
 
D1 was us working as a unit. Remember, we can't talk during the day in our chat so our ability to coordinate things was limited. D2 we ended up on the same target as well.
Ah. I thought you could chat whenever with each other. Did not realize.
 
D1 was us working as a unit. Remember, we can't talk during the day in our chat so our ability to coordinate things was limited. D2 we ended up on the same target as well.
Ah I didn't know that mason chat is only open during night. That makes it look a bit more like a possible town mason move then.
 
If we excluded Claude or Roman, and hit a townie...would we then go after the other? If we didn't, surely the mafia would have to then use a turn on the other, because they couldn't risk leaving him. So next day we could try and focus down another mafia scum? And if they left SK and hit a townie, and SK hit them...they would be boned. If the SK also hit a townie though...well, it's lights for us.
 
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