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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yes! Don't want to pressure or anything, but if you don't pick GD I'll never town-read you again. Have fun!
I picked the Black Eagles, but don't worry, I'm sure you'll still town read me. ;)
I last tried to play a FE game when Awakening came out and I hit a mission like 5-10 hours in that was too brutal for me and I’ve never gone back to the series since. A shame because I loved the FF Tactics games (and Advanced Wars).
Yeah, I'm playing it on casual mode to hopefully avoid anything like that, not really interested in permadeath and stuff haha. At least not for my first time playing.
Edit: although I'm not sure if it's ok to derail here.
Pff, my thread, if there isn't any Mafia to talk about, then we talk about Fire Emblem! :P
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Were you playing in hard and/or classic?

Edit: although I'm not sure if it's ok to derail here. You may want to visit the OT and ask around. There're some nice folks over there.

Sorry!
Who’s gonna stop me - I’m a mod :P Just killing time for things to pick up in the game. My prediction is Zeke wins in lylo.

Also, I was playing normal and casual I believe. It was some mission that started me on a mountain with a couple party members split up and surrounded I think. Just got brutalized.

I picked the Black Eagles, but don't worry, I'm sure you'll still town read me. ;)

Yeah, I'm playing it on casual mode to hopefully avoid anything like that, not really interested in permadeath and stuff haha. At least not for my first time playing.

Pff, my thread, if there isn't any Mafia to talk about, then we talk about Fire Emblem! :P
Yeah, the permadeath stuff is not for me.
 
Were you playing in hard and/or classic?

Edit: although I'm not sure if it's ok to derail here. You may want to visit the OT and ask around. There're some nice folks over there.

Sorry!

I forget if you saw the spec thread where Stan went on for pages about D&D. Wasn't that long ago, it was him letting off steam after being killed. Hilarious though. (<3 Stan)
 
Also, I was playing normal and casual I believe. It was some mission that started me on a mountain with a couple party members split up and surrounded I think. Just got brutalized.

Yes, a split party can make stuff pretty challenging. Can't remember the exact map though, but did you have any flying units? These can be good for moving other units across mountains, since reuniting the party should be priority.

As general advice don't always push ahead. FE usually rewards turtling and backtracking, with only a few exceptions.

By the way Awakening has an amazing rendition of Anna is a great entry point, so I'd totally recommend you to try again.

Yeah, I'm playing it on casual mode to hopefully avoid anything like that, not really interested in permadeath an

Yeah, the permadeath stuff is not for me.

The first few times I played classic but always hit reset when units died - I liked them too much - but;
- When you accept permadeath for what it is, the game becomes something so different. It's so thrilling and makes for a run unlike any other, making you value these lovely characters even more and granting a good alibi to dispose of those you hate.
- Since Echoes the franchise introduced a mechanic to rewind turns. Although limited, it can encourage you to eventually play classic.

I forget if you saw the spec thread where Stan went on for pages about D&D. Wasn't that long ago, it was him letting off steam after being killed. Hilarious though. (<3 Stan)

I remember recently reading Stan referring to DnD with weird grammar (was he drunk?) for posts and posts. Unsure if it was something that happened a while ago and was just linked though.

And yes he's always a fun poster to read.

Kitsunelaine said:
at this point tbh it's either you or the miller

So you can form an united front and kill Swamped! You both distrust her. Please.
 
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rac

whatever
this could be a wild fucking ending

edit: i honestly have no idea whose in good shape here
edit edit: town has to hit a baddie here right?
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
whats the order on nks if both scum and sk go after one another?
The thing is, Swamped still has a 1-Shot BP vest. It's one of the reasons I'm now thinking that telling her she could claim Miller might have been going overboard a bit, because that alone kept both Town and Scum off of her, she basically has to be voted out to lose here now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'd say chances to win would be:
Town: 25%
Mafia: 50%
SK: 25%
Yeah, I'd probably put money on Swamped going today, and then Zeke winning on D6 in the final three, but we'll see.

Otherwise, if they go OA today for the Vanilla claim, Swamped's chances shoot up because it all comes down to the kills. The day starts with her winning if any Townie gets shot, the only way a D6 can play out there is if she and Zeke shoot at each other and it goes to a final three with her, Stan, and Kits, and she's probably done for there.

If they somehow vote out Zeke today, it's also probably a Town win.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I'd say chances to win would be:
Town: 25%
Mafia: 50%
SK: 25%
Yeah, Zeke has the edge here if town doesn’t go fully insane and keep votes down on their own. That anyone is even considering a non-Swamped vote today still feels kind of wild to me. I guess the two one night kills may be throwing them off, but I just can’t see how anyone is buying a Miller claim with the roles they’ve seen so far.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Kitsunelaine said:
Ugh, what was the roleclaim that was a bombstopper? Was it miller? I can't keep these terms straight in my head sometimes.
Is this going to be the part where they all tell Kits what a Miller is and she goes "Oh, well what the fuck are we waiting for!? Vote for them!"
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Stantastic said:
Im so confused.

I checked Aeleus, and they were killed by Raylor Christianson.

So Sparks.

So what the hell was with taking credit for the Maol kill?
Could it be, that perhaps, maybe, just maybe, Maol was killed by someone who wasn't on the Scum team, or the Town team?

Just sayin...
 

rac

whatever
i wonder if anyone actually read eod yesterday

i mean its right there ezekel completely dropped the fact that he was calling kits a neutral yesterday
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
OA is making a good point about Stan's claim. Nothing Stan has provided them with in regards to his role couldn't have been obtained by just looking at dead player's flips. None of the roles left have any way to prove they are telling the truth, and so therefore, they should be focused on things other than role claims right now if they want to call someone Scum. Except for that Miller claim, they should all be side-eyeing the fuck out of that lol. :P

Also, Coroner was one of the fake claims that Fran gave us in Conspiracy (shoutouts to Malus).
 

cabot

Why.
Miller really should have been cleared up by this point, and it's not like Swamped has been helpful to Town through much of this game either.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Miller really should have been cleared up by this point, and it's not like Swamped has been helpful to Town through much of this game either.

Policy lynch in LYLO wtf???

Swamped has been scummy, her votes are very suspicious and she has kept herself on the sidelines to some extent. That is what is scummy, not the Miller role.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
the chances are diminishing but I really want Swamped to win this ;;

she taught me how to be good scum. GO SWAMPED GO
 

Z-beat

only here for the flavor
She doesn't need her name up in lights

She just wants to survive whether it's the lunch or the night kill

She feels so unlike everybody else, alone

In spite of the fact that some people still think that they know her

But fuck 'em, she knows the roles, it's not about majority

It's all about the subtlety and killing PRs

Making a story, making sure her cover stays up

That means when she puts it down, Zeke's pickin' it up
 
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cabot

Why.
Policy lynch in LYLO wtf???

Swamped has been scummy, her votes are very suspicious and she has kept herself on the sidelines to some extent. That is what is scummy, not the Miller role.

i said should have been cleared by now. she shouldnt be alive at this stage
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Also concerning the call to action we had around game design I'd love to participate in mod chat some time in the future as I've come dangerously close to adopting scooby doo mafia multiple times, I just don't want to commit to something that I'm unsure that I can handle.
If you're up for it I can help you run Scooby-Doo. Everything involved in gamerunning isn't too hard, you really just got to make sure you're there to make sure everything isn't on fire and to start/end days. Among a couple other things.

BUT it's a lot of fun and a totally different perspective on the game since you know all of the pieces and just get to sit back and watch them move. And if it ends up being too much don't worry, that's what I'd be there for and to help out just with the general running of things. :>
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I'm honestly curious if OA can possibly turn this around to prevent being lunched. If not, then it'll all come down to the night actions to night to see who wins. XD
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I think OA is making a good case against Swamped here. Zeke ultimately won't care which one he votes for, I think he'd rather let Town, aka Stan and Kits, choose for him, so it's ultimately how much OA sways them at the end of the day.
 
I think OA is making a good case against Swamped here. Zeke ultimately won't care which one he votes for, I think he'd rather let Town, aka Stan and Kits, choose for him, so it's ultimately how much OA sways them at the end of the day.
I'm not sure it'll be enough this day phase.

Also, Zeke will probably want OA gone for the very reason you think they'll sway town this phase. If OA can catch the sent the game is over. OA is coming in without the prior game states clouding their reads. If it were me I'd prefer that kill today and try for swamped tonight.

Of course I'd be wrong, but either way I'd want to get to the next day phase without either.
 
I still find it funny no one brings up Zeke's final vote from the last day phase. It just felt so Un-Zeke like.

That said, I really like OA. I hope they play again in a game I'm playing in. <3
 

rac

whatever
im sad no one even addressed the point i made about the voting on d2.5 concerning melon

was it really just a bad point?
feels like just my weakness as a player coming through
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, OA made some great posts and is the only Town player who is on the right track here now, but I guess it wasn't quite enough.

I do hope this gets him to sign up for another game soon though, I'd like to see some more of what his playstyle is like, and maybe not coming in as a replacement in a ridiculously tense MyLo spot haha.
 
Hmm, why is Zeke pushing OA, does he realize he basically loses if OA is lynched?
OA Lynch= 2-1-1, Swamped is the person with the most chances here. Let's see all the scenarios.
1. Swamped shoots Zeke/ Zeke shoots Swamped. This is game over for Swamped and a very lucky win for town most likely.
2. Swamped shoots Zeke/ Zeke shoots Kits/Stan. Game over and Swamped wins.
3. Swamped shoots Town/ Zeke shoots another Town. Swamped wins vs 1 Mafia because of the BP.
4. Swamped and Zeke shoot the same Town. Town has lost, Swamped claims SK and town prefers to give wins to 3rd Parties, most likely a Swamped win.
Zeke should not be pushing for OA.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Hmm, why is Zeke pushing OA, does he realize he basically loses if OA is lynched?
OA Lynch= 2-1-1, Swamped is the person with the most chances here. Let's see all the scenarios.
1. Swamped shoots Zeke/ Zeke shoots Swamped. This is game over for Swamped and a very lucky win for town most likely.
2. Swamped shoots Zeke/ Zeke shoots Kits/Stan. Game over and Swamped wins.
3. Swamped shoots Town/ Zeke shoots another Town. Swamped wins vs 1 Mafia because of the BP.
4. Swamped and Zeke shoot the same Town. Town has lost, Swamped claims SK and town prefers to give wins to 3rd Parties, most likely a Swamped win.
Zeke should not be pushing for OA.
For the last scenario, remember that we made it so that Swamped auto-wins in a 1-1-1 final because of the weirdness that can happen with that. Her win con is being alive with "1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, remaining" so if the day begins at 1-1-1 or just 1-1, she wins the game.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
So if they don't lunch her today she wins?
Basically. It can still go to a 2-1 if she shoots Zeke and he hits her BP vest, or if they somehow lunched Zeke today she'd still be in for a 2-1 LyLo tomorrow, but that's it.
 
For the last scenario, remember that we made it so that Swamped auto-wins in a 1-1-1 final because of the weirdness that can happen with that. Her win con is being alive with "1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, remaining" so if the day begins at 1-1-1 or just 1-1, she wins the game.
Oh yeah that's right, although even without that I think she would still win for the reason I mentioned.
 
Shouldn't it be a tie with Zeke then? In a 1-1-1 Swamped completes her wincon, exits the game, then that makes Zeke complete his and win too?

I'm protecting my winrate
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Shouldn't it be a tie with Zeke then? In a 1-1-1 Swamped completes her wincon, exits the game, then that makes Zeke complete his and win too?

I'm protecting my winrate
I'm not sure if I remember how we settled on this in review. If the 1-1-1 day is allowed to play out, it's impossible for Town to win no matter who gets voted out. For Mafia and SK, Mafia's win con needs them to have a majority "or nothing can prevent this from occurring" so the SK being alive there can still prevent them from getting their majority, by killing them. Technically, Swamped isn't "exiting" the game with her win con, she would just win while the others lose.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
And all of the above is assuming she had spent her BP vest already. The fact she still has that in endgame means the only way for her to lose now is getting voted out.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Jesus that OA vote is so bad I just can't believe this is really the direction today has gone. RIP Town.
 

Z-beat

only here for the flavor
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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
OA you played really well for the crappy situation you walked into. You should definitely play some more - next time maybe you won't walk into essentially a building burning lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
It's looking like Swamped is going to win, Zeke submitted his kill on Kits. I just need Swamped to submit her kill to end the game officially, but yeah, as it stands the day would start in a 1-1-1 which is a SK victory.
 
SK for the win!

Though I do feel bad for my fellow townmates/enemy scum mates, a sad way for our sides to lose.
 
If you're up for it I can help you run Scooby-Doo. Everything involved in gamerunning isn't too hard, you really just got to make sure you're there to make sure everything isn't on fire and to start/end days. Among a couple other things.

BUT it's a lot of fun and a totally different perspective on the game since you know all of the pieces and just get to sit back and watch them move. And if it ends up being too much don't worry, that's what I'd be there for and to help out just with the general running of things. :>
This sounds great, I'll make a post asking to adopt it then.
 

rac

whatever
reading town deserved to lose hurts but i can't disagree
if i posted that last day more of my thoughts or something
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
reading town deserved to lose hurts but i can't disagree
if i posted that last day more of my thoughts or something
It's not an indictment on town's play the entire time or anything. Zeke did a killer job so I can't fault you all for ultimately losing, but that last day phase was rough. Some of that is probably due to time zones, but not nearly enough re-evaluation was going on. There was no reason to be so skeptical of a vanilla claim over the miller claim. I think more of our role madness games of late have had a vanilla than haven't. Just seemed like no one was willing to give OA a fair shake though and kits ultimately just tossed that vote out and walked away, sealing town's fate.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I just finished reading scum chat and it was a really good read.

The best part was Zeke getting so excited about the :truffleshuffle: gif, but it was cool seeing him plan out how the fake claim was going to work so it was believable.

I’m both now scared of facing scum him again and also hope to be scummates with him one day. c:
 
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