Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
That silence is deafening.
Tell me about it. :P
That silence is deafening.
What motivation could either Town Fran or Wolf Fran have to fake(?)claim claim Tanner after he found out he got switched?Tell me about it. :P
Oho and here we were just letting Neeks run away with controlling the game. How silly of us. We should know better. I will trust Flush before Neeks for sure. He's my boat boyfriend, after all.
Yeah, my red check does kinda suck some of the fun out.
That silence is deafening.
i like how you immediately believe Flush over me. Why? He hasn't done anything except take an early shot at me, go silent, and then come in and counterclaim me waaaay later.
how are you trusting that over me
aw come on, at least look at this objectively. record aside what makes you believe Flush in this over me? he's 110% lying right now.have you seen your record
p.s. xoxo
What motivation could either Town Fran or Wolf Fran have to fake(?)claim claim Tanner after he found out he got switched?
for the record i did actually Monkey and Fran. I was just bored and wanted to see what Sophia was.
at least it was kinda fun, right? right?
Sorry, Soph. You, DC, and it looks like now Monkey are getting the short end of the stick here. :<
aw come on, at least look at this objectively. record aside what makes you believe Flush in this over me? he's 110% lying right now.
my guess would be Minion, not Wolf unless this was some desperate gambit.
I aint even mad. :P
Just let down by yournot-so-terrible gambits.
Objectively, my love, my heart, this is your MO: control the narrative by looking helpful and interesting. What reason would Flush have to pull a desperate gambit now? It doesn't seem desperate. Unless he says he swapped DCPat - in which case I'd get very suspicious about him withholding - it doesn't even really matter, does it?
So scum has given up and we are lynching DCPat or Soph.
I'd lynch you or Fran. I kinda feel bad for DC.Why in the world would you lynch me in the face of an uncontested red check on DCPat? :p
because in my distracted state i remembered Fran and Sophia both claiming Tanner and wanted to make a joke that we should lynch the Tanner and not Wolf-checked DC.There are question marks around Fran and Sophia, particularly whichever you currently claim to have switched, Neeks. So why on earth would you lynch the one who is now surely the Robber?
Sawneeks, I still don't know what your plan for saving DCPAT is, but you can stop lying. You are no wolf anymore. My targets were announced in my very first post. One of them is you (by mention). For the other, I'm a bit surprised nobody wondered about that unnatural word order of the sentences. It's almost as if somebody wanted specific letters at the beginning of sentences...
I'm so sorry Monkey, I wanted to make this more exciting for you, not put you in the losing team :(
(Unless I'm way ahead of myself and DCPAT or Sawneeks aren't Wolf, but that would mean you and Muffin both are wolves AND Robber and Seer are in the middle. Occam's razor says no to this, however...)
Why are you, as a Tanner, even trying to help us out here? What's your gain there?Did I get that right? Either way, nobody has counterclaimed Monkey's original seer claim and Muffin's robber claim AFAIK, which means DCPat is almost certainly a wolf.
Why are you, as a Tanner, even trying to help us out here? What's your gain there?
For the record: DCPAT is still the correct choice to vote for, I think. That's why I didn't see the urgency in claiming. Nothing really changed.
I love how I'm an easy target in each scenario, but I don't blame any of you and there is nothing more I can say to change it, unfortunately. I do want to point out I still believe in my theory that Monkey was original Minion (her play as minion was without risk, seer counterclaim wouldn't have mattered because she doesn't care if she dies), no counterclaim means seer is probably in the middle. Muffin is still originally robber and did great by copying Monkey play. What's in it for him to deny it? Nothing. He probably doesn't know the wolves (I don't know how the mechanics of a stolen minion card work).
Everybody checked out, right?
Noone counterclaimed Sawneeks so I'm yo trust her.
I was Tanner. Have fun Monkey.
I trusted you!!!!!
And now this is awkward. Can I change my claim? Let's say I'm a wolf.
If Royal is telling the truth, and he swapped Sawneeks and Monkey, then that means Monkey is now the minion, and Sanweeks the robber.
DCPat and Fran are the wolves.
I'm the Tanner.
You do have a point that nobody has came to your aid, and we have a lot of dead air right now. Drunk and Hunter are definitely in the middle tho I think?
I believe Fran is a wolf tho. Look at his claims:
And then Sawneeks did her "fake out", afterwords:
I'm thinking he thought Tanner was in the middle, and didn't expect me to counterclaim him...?
Why would I claim Tanner the first time if I was a wolf? Why would I claim wolf if I wasn't changed? I could have chosen any role. Hunter was free.
I have been saying that for a while. Everyone should vote for me.
Obviously. That's why you didn't counterclaimed my claim until Sawneeks said that she changed you with Monkey. Who would want to draw attention to themselves being a Tanner. Classic Tanner move. I think you are a minion.
If Royal is telling the truth that would mean that Sawneeks is likely wolf. Or was. And now Monkey is wolf. If she is saying the truth about DCPAT she ended up going against her win condition. Really weird that a seer would claim someone being a wolf until being sure they wasn't changed. Novice mistake or a gambit?
Tanner is easy cover for a wolf. Although why did you pick wolf for your second claim?
If I was a minion, wouldn't I have been better off just staying with my drunk claim and acting shady? :thinking:
Obviously. That's why you didn't counterclaimed my claim until Sawneeks said that she changed you with Monkey. Who would want to draw attention to themselves being a Tanner. Classic Tanner move. I think you are a minion.
And you missed this:
That is your biggest plothole in your claim and you keep avoiding it.
I'm saying before Sawneeks said that she exchanged you and Monkey. When I claimed.
At that time noone said anything about exchanging you so you still had your original role. If it was Tanner why not counterclaim as soon as I said Tanner. As a Tanner you need to draw attention to yourself but you let my claim alone until you thought you were no more a Tanner.
That's it. I was (still am) on mobile and couldn't be bothered to search for the player list so I made a rough estimate. Hence the "about". I was closer than expected.Who are the 5?
I count LP, Deva, Sparks, and lately Muffin but he was active at the start of the game. Who I'm I missing?
I'll repeat, that scenario doesn't make any sense:Yea, that's what I claim. But it's not really lucky tho. Does it really matter for the minion claiming seer to be counterclaimed by the real seer? Sure, I'm not a sure red-check anymore, but still no attention on a wolf. It's a good play for a minion. But since she, later Muffin, wasn't counterclaimed, seer is in the middle.
And Muffin getting the Minion card, but not knowing who the wolves are has no other choice than to copy Monkeys game.
Why would you do that? If you robbed somebody of the minion card, would you tell them that you robbed them, really? The minion wants the wolves to win, and the robber town to win. In this case the robber becomes somebody who wants the wolves to win, but doesn't know who the wolves are. The previous minion on the other hand now knows who the wolves are but is now the robber, so can get that info out if he's sure that the robber isn't lying which results in an easy win for town.
I registered your claim, but it doesn't change that much tbh for me.Also, what about those about 5 people who have been a complete non-entity so far?
LolYou are trying to consolidate votes again. Scum!!!!!
Lol
I wanna know where y'all stand. With the red check I'd presume that most would vote DCPat, so I'm interested who thinks otherwise and why.
I registered your claim, but it doesn't change that much tbh for me.
Who are you all gonna vote for?
Why would you do that? If you robbed somebody of the minion card, would you tell them that you robbed them, really? The minion wants the wolves to win, and the robber town to win. In this case the robber becomes somebody who wants the wolves to win, but doesn't know who the wolves are. The previous minion on the other hand now knows who the wolves are but is now the robber, so can get that info out if he's sure that the robber isn't lying which results in an easy win for town.
I like how we have claim against claim but are sure that Sawneeks is lying lmaoEither she has my role or has lying Sawneeks role but she isn't town.
So as new minion I would bet on the chance that Monkey might have been switched to be wolf now? We have two contesting troublemaker claims, and even more switch target claims by now. For all we know Monkey could not have been targeted in reality, or neither of the two is telling the truth and troublemaker is in the middle. Doesn't sound like the greatest strategy to me.Maybe because now everybody believes you two because you confirmed Monkey. So now I'm a confirmed red check instead of just a claimed red-check. Plus you know Monkey has been swapped around. She isn't robber.
I like how we have claim against claim but are sure that Sawneeks is lying lmao
I get what you say with the rest, it IS weird. She also might have thought the chances of her being messed with low and gambled to get the redcheck out early, but I'm not sure.
So as new minion I would bet on the chance that Monkey might have been switched to be wolf now? We have two contesting troublemaker claims, and even more switch target claims by now. For all we know Monkey could not have been targeted in reality, or neither of the two is telling the truth and troublemaker is in the middle. Doesn't sound like the greatest strategy to me.
Try to get myself lynched I guess? Or look how the former minion plays to guess the wolves?Okay, than what would you do if you rob minion? You have no clue who the wolves are, but you have to do something. Just guess?
Okay, I'm gonna put a nail in this one. People who needed to know knew already but we don't need to waste time speculating on Monkey's motivations. I had just started taking new anxiety medication and it impacted my vision and my thought processes. I probably should have dropped from the game but having never played ONUW, I wanted to give it a shot. A lot of things that should have occurred to me did not. Speculation about my behavior makes me uncomfortable right now for that reason. I didn't expect to be everyone's favorite target but lesson learned. I shouldn't have claimed so early but I had a red check. The end.That's why she claiming her seer results so early is weird. I don't expect her to play like this.
The problem with the Minion / Robber combination is that if Monkey believes Muffin's claim she knows that she isn't Wolf aligned anymore and therefore would have to backtrack or get Town DCPAT lynched. I have enough trust in her intellect that I believe she would realize that.
Okay, I'm gonna put a nail in this one. People who needed to know knew already but we don't need to waste time speculating on Monkey's motivations. I had just started taking new anxiety medication and it impacted my vision and my thought processes. I probably should have dropped from the game but having never played ONUW, I wanted to give it a shot. A lot of things that should have occurred to me did not. Speculation about my behavior makes me uncomfortable right now for that reason. I didn't expect to be everyone's favorite target but lesson learned. I shouldn't have claimed so early but I had a red check. The end.
What does Muffin claim have to do with what Monkey is now? Both troublemakers claim that they targeted Monkey and they act after the Robber. If we believe Muffin claim all we know is that Monkey was for a moment a robber and that either Sawneeks or I are the Robber now depending of who isn't lying.Let's assume I'm the real troublemaker and Sawneeks is a wolf. If Monkey is the Minion she knows Sawneeks is a wolf. She therefore also has no reason to believe she was swapped with anything else after the Robber acted. Until I claimed, that is.
Now, if Sawneeks actually is the troublemaker (she isn't) things get more diffuse. Monkey knows that I am Wolf but thinks she was switched with you. She either knows you were Wolf (now Robber). In that case she... would stick to her story, I think. Hmmm... Anyway, theory anyway since Sawneeks is not the troublemaker. Or she knows you are Town at which she could just help us out by coming clean.
So the only option in which everything makes sense if Sawneeks is the real troublemaker, you were Wolf and I still am Wolf. But why on earth would I breadcrumb that early to have switched two (for all I know) Townies? Why would I not just counterclaim DCPAT? I had a backed up Seer claim to back me up.
Do you still claim being a Wolf? If so, who was your partner?I don't believe that Monkey was a Minion. I think she was actually the seer (Noone counterclaimed that so that's likely). I'm talking about what she is now. There is no way that she is town now.
Do you still claim being a Wolf? If so, who was your partner?
Sparks.
Ok. So... Uhhmmm...Sparks.
My reaction to what?/QUOTE]
Me
Me.My reaction to what?
It's inconsequential since I know you're lying. What does it matter who you switched? You didn't actually 'switch' them.
See, that's a start. I can't recall you doubled down on your claim yet after I counterclaimed. It was a possibility that you go "uhm, yeah, Flush is right, it was a gambit". Or "uhm, yeah, Flush was right, I was wolf, but now I'm a Robber, I guess"It's inconsequential since I know you're lying. What does it matter who you switched? You didn't actually 'switch' them.
Then what are Monkey and Muffin doing?
Ok. So... Uhhmmm...
1. Why do we have two troublemaker claims?
2. Why did Monkey redcheck DCPAT?
3. Why did Muffin confirm Monkey?
If there is a maximum of one wolf aligned role among them?
??See, that's a start. I can't recall you doubled down on your claim yet after I counterclaimed. It was a possibility that you go "uhm, yeah, Flush is right, it was a gambit". Or "uhm, yeah, Flush was right, I was wolf, but now I'm a Robber, I guess"
Seeing that this is not the case: Who do you propose we lynch? Still DCPAT?
She can't redcheck DCPAT if Sparks was your Wolf partner.2. Two options: She actually rechecked him and gave the info without realizing that she could have become a wolf during the night. Or she gave us fake info to see some reactions and now won't give us the correct info because she knows that she isn't town anymore. No matter who is lying in point 1.
I meant before your post a couple of minutes ago, @Sawneeks
She can't redcheck DCPAT if Sparks was your Wolf partner.
I'm aware you claimed Tanner and that's why I wanted to find contradictions in your Wolf claim. Why on earth you would remind me of this is beyond me rn, though...I think this may be against my win condition but I don't give a damn as I don't think I will win anyway.
You know that I made 2 claims right? I claimed something before wolf, when I trusted Sawneeks and thought that she exchanged me with Monkey. Look it up, I will wait.
Monkey, because I geniounly like her and wanted to mess with her a bit to make that game a bit more memorable. You, because you being Scum had become a Meme I wanted to ride on :P I was thinking about going for Monkey and one of the names I didn't recognize in the hope that they might break more easily but then decided against it to not overwhelm them in the beginning (I have no clue which of them played which games)sigh
why me and monkey, royal?
The point kind of was that I would only consider voting for you if you could come up with a contradiction-free story. For me you are Tanner now and everything else is deep WIFOM territory I'm not going to enter. I'd rather concentrate on nailing down the other Wolf in that case.Because you are asking coherence from a Tanner. How the hell would I would know who the wolves are? Even worse, If I'm still the Tanner I don't even care who they are. I just want all of you to vote for me.
You want to find contradictions in my Wolf claim? Alright. How many do you need to get you to vote me?
Sometimes life imitates memes.Monkey, because I geniounly like her and wanted to mess with her a bit to make that game a bit more memorable. You, because you being Scum had become a Meme I wanted to ride on :P I was thinking about going for Monkey and one of the names I didn't recognize in the hope that they might break more easily but then decided against it to not overwhelm them in the beginning (I have no clue which of them played which games)
Because you are asking coherence from a Tanner. How the hell would I would know who the wolves are? Even worse, If I'm still the Tanner I don't even care who they are. I just want all of you to vote for me.
You want to find contradictions in my Wolf claim? Alright. How many do you need to get you to vote me?
Your partner being?Sometimes life imitates memes.
The point kind of was that I would only consider voting for you if you could come up with a contradiction-free story. For me you are Tanner now and everything else is deep WIFOM territory I'm not going to enter. I'd rather concentrate on nailing down the other Wolf in that case.
Maybe. As I said, deep WIFOM territory. It makes exactly as much sense as you trying to solve the game as a supposed Tanner. I'm starting to think the real tanner is in the middle and you're all fucking with us (<- hyperbole, that's highly unlikely). I'm much more interested in figuring out the Monkey/DCPAT situation because then I don't have to worry about this WIFOM crap.He's a wolf and you're buying his tanner claim hook, line, and sinker. He has no reason to give you a contradiction free story.
yeah no, you came in a tore down my fun parade so you're not getting that.Your partner being?
Maybe. As I said, deep WIFOM territory. It makes exactly as much sense as you trying to solve the game as a supposed Tanner. I'm starting to think the real tanner is in the middle and you're all fucking with us (<- hyperbole, that's highly unlikely). I'm much more interested in figuring out the Monkey/DCPAT situation because then I don't have to worry about this WIFOM crap.
you're the wooooorstyeah no, you came in a tore down my fun parade so you're not getting that.
everyone believed me too! I thought I was gonna get away with being a Troublemaker and have free reign. :p