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Pedro

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Jun 29 2017 at 10:26pm

Sheet is here :https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vNuOdqC7vpVZNXxuIAsMiwe0XMR-AOgAYsmvNMAzvI4/edit?usp=sharing
 

Pedro

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crimsonfist

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Jun 29 2017 at 11:39pm

So mixed alignment lovers is the main gimmick of this then, everything else is very vanilla.

Random incoherent thoughts:

How does the lovers win work? Do they win and the game ends? or do they leave and town wins?

I assume they get a private chat.

The survivor win con and not being explicit about them both being town would probably give away that they're not the same alignment. Town lover could then throw their partner under the bus if they're the last scum for the town win.

Thinking about whether there's any reason for the scum lover to not claim to the rest of the scum team. If it's a solo win would be one reason, another being that if they make it to lylo as the last scum, they'll leave and that will be a town win presumably. If they have to keep their role hidden and there's already a goon it will be very difficult for them to fake claim something.

You also essentially have a neutral survivor team who know the entire scum team, I think the fact that they can win without scum presents an issue there. Not sure if there's a scenario where outing their team mates would be an optimum play, only thing I can think of would be if scum would win before they're the final 4, but that would be a win for the scum lover anyway, so they shouldn't act there.

Basically I think this has the potential to be quite an anti scum setup, although it seems like it could work at least. Will think on it a bit more.
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jun 30 2017 at 4:59am via mobile

Thanks yn and thank you crimson for the thoughts. Liked the idea of tragic lovers but it seems a very hard balancing act. As you point out, the tragic lovers win con means that at some point, one or both of them have to make a choice where their alignment lies, to the lover or their team. The problem with that is that the town tragic lover has the advantage of the bigger team and doesn't need to rely so much on the lover pair for their win whereas the scum one does not.

Maybe, changing their win cons could be an idea to make this work. They have the usual faction win cons, but they also share a unique win con, something like they have to steal 2 "blueprints", one from each faction. Once fulfilled they automatically leave the game. So, this will incentivise them to work together primarily until either they succeed or fail, and then both revert to their alignment win cons.

What do you think? Also, agree on scum team being a bit underpowered, any suggestions how to beef them up?
 

Pedro

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yn

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Jun 30 2017 at 11:00pm

Your second reviewer is El Topo :)
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 3 2017 at 9:59am

Have a new idea if the tragic lovers idea doesn't work out, just make them a neutral team that has to steal 1 item from scum and 1 item from town. Both will have investigative and theft abilities, but they can only submit one of each action each night. So they can investigate and steal in a night, but not investigate twice, or steal twice.

What do you think?

Apart from that, happy with the PRs for town, might give an extra PR to scum to balance it out
 

Pedro

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crimsonfist

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Jul 3 2017 at 12:07pm

I think the tragic lovers needs a) a bigger game, and b) for the scum lover to be a lost partner. Those would let you balance out the scum team a bit more. With just 3 scum it's harder to think of a way to balance it.

By "steal" you just mean target? Since there would be an item mechanic. Or maybe make it a role block so that it's in some way disruptive.

If you want to buff scum a bit, maybe a godfather so that the cop isn't a perfect information role.
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 5 2017 at 9:14am

Thanks for the advice Crimson, made a few changes to the spec sheet.

Changes:

+1-shot town vig
+1-shot scum vig
+scum godfather
+neutral survivor with following abilities (1-shot lynchproof, 1-shot bulletproof (cannot be used on the same day-night phase), n-shot flavour-name cop

-tragic lover pair

So, now there 17 players, 13 town, 3 scum, 1 neutral. Town have 3 PRs, 1-shot vig, n-shot doctor, n-shot role cop. Scum have 3 PRs, 1-shot vig, godfather, n-shot roleblocker.

neutral's objective is to investigate other player's flavour names to find both players whose role names have the term yeezy and outlast them, survivor doesn't have to be directly involved in their kills to win. Given them 1-shot lynchproof and 1-shot bulletproof to help them survive for a little bit while investigating. They cannot use both in the same day, so if they are voted to be lynched on day 2 then they will survive the lynch but if scum or vig shoots them during night 2 then they will die
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 5 2017 at 9:15am

1-shot town vig might be a bit much though in favour of town so happy to take away the town vig if you think town is too overpowered
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 5 2017 at 9:26am

also, given town is 13 strong to mafia which is 3 strong, should I increase the number of shots of the scum vig?
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 17 2017 at 8:33am


Jul 1 2017 at 5:10pm eltopodelgaf said:
Wait, hold on. This is about sneakers? I thought it was about Sneakers!


Jul 3 2017 at 12:07pm crimsonfist said:
I think the tragic lovers needs a) a bigger game, and b) for the scum lover to be a lost partner. Those would let you balance out the scum team a bit more. With just 3 scum it's harder to think of a way to balance it.



By "steal" you just mean target? Since there would be an item mechanic. Or maybe make it a role block so that it's in some way disruptive.



If you want to buff scum a bit, maybe a godfather so that the cop isn't a perfect information role.





bumping for responses!
 

Pedro

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crimsonfist

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Jul 17 2017 at 1:14pm

Looking over the new revision, I don't see any immediate issues. Survivor has to outlast those players ie. a two target lyncher? or reach the end of the game with those players dead?

Worse case for town:
17/3/1 D1
13/3/1
11/3/1
9/3/1
7/3/1
5/3/1 (LYLO)
 

Pedro

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crimsonfist

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Jul 17 2017 at 2:58pm

You could make the scum vig 2 shot, yeah. Looking at those numbers, scum have to hold on for a while.
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 17 2017 at 3:29pm via mobile

Jul 17 2017 at 1:14pm crimsonfist said:
Looking over the new revision, I don't see any immediate issues. Survivor has to outlast those players ie. a two target lyncher? or reach the end of the game with those players dead?

Worse case for town:
17/3/1 D1
13/3/1
11/3/1
9/3/1
7/3/1
5/3/1 (LYLO)






Just has to outlast them, so if both the targets die by day 2, the survivor immediately meets this win con and exits the game
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Jul 17 2017 at 3:30pm via mobile

Alternately, if all 3 survive to the end of the game, the survivor would lose as they didn't outlast them
 

Pedro

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acohrs

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Aug 28 2017 at 9:56am

Would you both say that this spec is cooked and ready?
 

Pedro

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Sep 30 2017 at 10:22pm

Yes. The game looks nice.

One thing to fix though: What is n for the n-shot flavour cop?
 

Pedro

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I already talked with you, gir, but in case someone reads this in the future:

This design board has been moved from Outer Gafia to Outer Mafia. The design has already been approved by two reviewers but this will serve as a place where the gamerunner can write their flavor text and role PMs.
 
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Pedro

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Hi hi, @acohrs , a few things about the PMs:

The Godfather has the Mafia Vig role PM on the sheet;
The Mafia-aligned PMs need the names of the other members and a link to their Mafia chat;
The sample PM, shown at the beginning of the game, will be exactly like the vanilla townie's one?
A typo on the Survivor's PM, Netural -> Neutral;
Did you save some Nike-related fake claims for the Mafia?

Please let me know when you changed those things, thanks :D
 

acohrs

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hey @Pedro made those changes, the fake role claims are on sheet 1 at they very bottom, one for each of the mafia and neutral players
 
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