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Include said:
However, we townies do have common sense to use with the evidences collected.
This is going to bite her.

Stan had no reason to claim the vote power when he did, especially with Includios new info. He could've just gone with the day vig and promote it as the towniest thing ever, while still hiding a triple vote.
 
That's what I'm saying.

As scum he had no motivation to reveal his vote power.

As town he got careless / told the truth without thinking about implications.
 
But anyway for the general comment, I'm clearly not in the game, I'm not even level headed at the moment. Everything is different from player perspective.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
If splinter iw lynched today, I think this game will progress to at least final 5, maybe even final 3.
 

Faddy

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It doesn't matter what Stan says now, he'll never convince Include. It's all wifom under the bridge...

With all the roles that flipped and all the mechanics they've heard of, they take green checks too seriously and neglect to talk about the possibility that scum could/should/must have some serious power to balance everything.

Did someone ever mention redirect or tailor or copying powers? Well, on the other hand they have no signs for more so far, right? But scum must have more power than "hidden vote power"?

They have already flipped 2 or 3 godfathers and a miller. I don't think now is the time to be questioning checks with so many of those type of roles flipped.

I like Terra's play. He is never winning as an SK. May as well ride with town. 2 Mafia and 4 SKs out the game. Town is looking pretty good from that pespective.
 

Pedro

The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
So... Town gave up on solving the game and started shitposting?
 

Faddy

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So... Town gave up on solving the game and started shitposting?

It is a hard game. They want to work out Includios vs Stan. Both seem town but logically one of them probably isn't. Lynching outside that is tricky because no one has a totally solid read. I guess my thoughts on the multi votes is that 3 votes vs 3 votes. One of them is definitely town and can counter the other. If one of them was mafia and they pick incorrectly...

I'm glad Natiko just got janitored out of existence. Oh wait they saw the flip and no one has said a word.

Btw when I typed m Sorian/Spinter mafia thing I hadn't looked at the spoilers. Surprised when it was both of them. Hecht was the other player I was doubting; and Monkey too but the reasons were mean.
 

Faddy

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and Monkey too but the reasons were mean.

The basic gist of what I was going to post was about her trust of Sorian.

Dr. Monkey said:
Look, I don't have any reason to vote Sorian. I sent Sorian the digivice because I townread him. I continue to townread him. If I'm wrong, well fuck me. If people end up voting him out for some check on Includios, that's fine, I get it. But don't expect me to put him in my ranking to make you feel better.

Monkey please re-evaluate.
 

Faddy

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Wut

Did Sorian just throw

He was in a tough situation. He doesn't vote Splinter then he is outed as his partner. If he does his secret double vote is outed and he is scum.

This has actually worked out perfectly for town because the alternative is that Muffin has the double vote.

The alternative was to tunnel on Hecht with Monkey. He didn't have a good option.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Yeah, pretty sure the game will go to final 5 or 3 now.

Sorian needs to kill Muffin. And if he kills Muffin, he revives 3 players, one them yet another neutral he has to kill.

No stopping the pain train.
 

Faddy

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Yeah, pretty sure the game will go to final 5 or 3 now.

Sorian needs to kill Muffin. And if he kills Muffin, he revives 3 players, one them yet another neutral he has to kill.

No stopping the pain train.

How is LP's night survival being counted here?

He has survived 2 nights, does he need another 2 after being revived? It seems unlikely he will turn before the game ends.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
How is LP's night survival being counted here?

He has survived 2 nights, does he need another 2 after being revived? It seems unlikely he will turn before the game ends.

I don't know, actually. That question is for Geno.
 
How is LP's night survival being counted here?

He has survived 2 nights, does he need another 2 after being revived? It seems unlikely he will turn before the game ends.
He has already turned inside Muffin, Night 4 has passed and that's what he needed.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
So in short, Sorian has a long way ahead, even if he doesn't know that yet.

I'm rooting for muffin to win, though.
 

Faddy

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So in short, Sorian has a long way ahead, even if he doesn't know that yet.

I'm rooting for muffin to win, though.

No L_P has to win this game by doing nothing.

IT IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!!!
 
I think I know what Sorians plan is, he wants to shoot Hecht and get the TARDIS to bring back Splinter and force town to lynch him again, that way he gains an extra night to kill.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
I think that Muffin and Sorian might start to shoot each other in the night phases at some point.
 
Muffin can't win by shooting Sorian anymore unfortunately, Sorian has become a beast. His only hope is for them to lynch him.
 

Faddy

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Sorian is dead. Stan was up for killing him last phase. Hecht will push it forever. Eventually Monkey will realise that Sorian is scum.
 

Faddy

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I think so too at this point, but I don't think Muffin will be the next one to go.

What is the deal with the Tardis right now. Does Stan have it? If he knows Hecht gave it to him then he can be sure Hecht is town. And in a thunderdome situation he always votes Sorian.
 

Faddy

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Oh Monkey. Remember the invitational. Sorian was mafia and you used your override to not lynch him.
 
I changed my mind, Hecht will be the one to be lynched, nobody is pushing for Muffin right now and Stan was given the mega stone from Sorian, so he will probably not vote him.
 

Faddy

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Monkey's basically love letter to Sorian is a tough read. Ohh he is soooo Town <3

It is pretty much impossible to go back and read the full thread but I don't remember a damn thing he has done as town. He never shared, confirmed his item. He spent forever dodging giving a specific power, he claimed something waaaaay back at the start of the game but hasn't openly accounted his actions like everyone else.

She has been in his pocket for the full game. Which is fine but she needs to re-evaluate and her reads can't just be I read him as town early so he is town now forever.
 

Faddy

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If Monkey votes for and lynches Sorian here then it is all good.
 

Faddy

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I don't think that was a smart play by Hecht, the lynch is on a knife edge here. For me it seems like Faircure and Fran are waiting for Monkey to make a decision.

Stan might just come in and Burn Blast everyone though. He is unpredictable in my experience.
 
I don't think that was a smart play by Hecht, the lynch is on a knife edge here. For me it seems like Faircure and Fran are waiting for Monkey to make a decision.

Stan might just come in and Burn Blast everyone though. He is unpredictable in my experience.

Fran and Fairview are definitely following not leading. I don't understand why confirmed town Fran is so passive.

The hecht play was desperation. I think it was probably trying to appeal to Stan, who is the wildcard here.
 

Faddy

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Fran and Fairview are definitely following not leading. I don't understand why confirmed town Fran is so passive.

The hecht play was desperation. I think it was probably trying to appeal to Stan, who is the wildcard here.

But Stan isn't reading the thread though. He will come in soon I think.

Monkey was reconsidering and was suggesting that in a Sorian vs Hecht thunderdome she would go for Sorian. The kindest thing that can be said about the Hecht play was it is an attempt to force the lynch to be between 2 people. Like there is definitely the possibility monkey doesn't make a choice between them and goes for Muffin.
 

Faddy

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And I just saw her post about Muffin.

Lynching Muffin is actually positive for town. It has to be done anyway but it feels like a cop out here.
 

Faddy

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Ugh Fran! I definitely did not see a strong push on Monkey. More like he was refusing to make a decision and Monkey was his fall back.

Hecht is dead. Not an issue if they just follow what he said instead of the previous lynches where everyone just had a case of amnesia.
 
It is pretty much impossible to go back and read the full thread but I don't remember a damn thing he has done as town. He never shared, confirmed his item. He spent forever dodging giving a specific power, he claimed something waaaaay back at the start of the game but hasn't openly accounted his actions like everyone else.
Yeah... admittedly, I knew Sorian's alignment early on, but the stuff he's been posting wasn't towny. It feels like he gets townreads no matter what he's doing.

"I know this looks scummy, but post all the info you have town"
"gee, this might look suspicious, but I have to ask you to claim right now"
"come on, everyone tell me what you did at night"
"me? NAH, no way I'm telling you anything about me"
"nope, not going to claim" (when 90% already claimed)

and he keeps getting away with it.

Unfortunately Hecht made it easy today :( He scumread Sorian's behaviour since a few phases, but only tunneled on mechanics the others didn't believe in. Instead of delivering this shit show, which Sorian gladly took part in, Hecht should have justified his read from ingame stuff.

It felt like Hecht did have a good reason, but tried to justify only through mechanics to convince others. It was so frustrating to see everyone talking against Hecht.

How Hecht ended up with Sorian through exclusion was okay. Only the constant bickering between the two made everyone go nah, he's mad, that can't be right.

Like what was the reason for scum!Hecht to go all in today? He wasn't exactly strongly scumread before, even though he did scummy shit like passing the item to Splinter.

Why would scum!Hecht implode like this today? He'd never make it this easy :/

mmmhh...
I'm aware I saw this from the outside, so I don't want to be too hard on anyone. Who knows how I would've reacted.
 
These town players deserve each other.

Fran, Monkey, Crimson, Stan

And I thought the town at the end of Buffy was bad for lynching me and the turboing to end the game. They look like savants right now lol
 

Faddy

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Agreed Gorlak.

However NO ONE has said in this hour that Hecht was probably right. In fact Hecht hasn't been mentioned by name, just as "he". Come on town.

These town players deserve each other.

Fran, Monkey, Crimson, Stan

And I thought the town at the end of Buffy was bad for lynching me and the turboing to end the game. They look like savants right now lol

No you lied for no reason. And you weren't even close to solving the game either.
 
No you lied for no reason. And you weren't even close to solving the game either.

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Faddy

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HAHAHAHA. You made a gambit, then got countered, then backed off. Like what was the point of lying if you weren't going to hold the lie?

And then you threw a tantrum and self voted. Good town play there.

And actually you did similar in this game too.
 
HAHAHAHA. You made a gambit, then got countered, then backed off. Like what was the point of lying if you weren't going to hold the lie?

And then you threw a tantrum and self voted. Good town play there.

And actually you did similar in this game too.

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Faddy

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@SweetNicole So do I have to WIFOM which gif is the joke gif. Or are both just heavy deflection tactics which is stupid because we are here to talk about mafia strategy and plays.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Sometimes Sorian is the biggest obstacle between him and his victory.

(He just changed his night actions that inadvertently is going to save Crimson tonight)
 

Faddy

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Sometimes Sorian is the biggest obstacle between him and his victory.

(He just changed his night actions that inadvertently is going to save Crimson tonight)

So did he kill Stan? Because that is a better kill imo.
 

Faddy

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Congrats Muffin you just played yourself

"What's more, if the neutral tries to kill scum with a NK early, he's outnumbered by town quite a bit. He doesn't necessarily need to go for scum first"

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The 2 unconfirmed town are female.
 
Congrats Muffin you just played yourself

"What's more, if the neutral tries to kill scum with a NK early, he's outnumbered by town quite a bit. He doesn't necessarily need to go for scum first"

dQ2MU0e.jpg


The 2 unconfirmed town are female.
Damn, good catch, I don't think they will notice though
 

Faddy

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Ok this is now too good.

Monkey just bumped the last review thread with this gem from Sorian

. It's dangerous to keep Sorian alive for so long.

*10 day phases later*

It's really dangerous to keep Sorian alive for so long

Words to live by imo.
 
Monkey is getting closer. Her resignation from the start was really frustrating especially after Hecht lynch. Just giving up is the worst :/
But she's pinned it down and rightfully called Sorian out for what he did the last phase with Hecht. Even now he's deflecting and can't talk against scum never touching him. This should be the main argument to take him down.

In all of this game with all the abilities we've seen... they still trust mechanics and checks which is ridiculous. Why does Fran want to look at faircure but not Sorian?
Why is no one checking when Sorian got his item? Huh? Was it the night when he was checked? Yeah. Could there be anything? Yes. But nobody bothers so far. Look back at the circumstances, how did that check happen?

You are losing the game by giving Sorian a free pass too easily. And this is without considering his behaviour at all.
 
Am I completely off?

I don't see why you would question one "green check" and don't even look into the other... it's a bad omission, that will lead to a loss.

Muffin only defends himself (too much the last phases btw, if he'd been able to further hunt scum, his chances would be way better)

Monkey has a self-defeating attitude, but it seems like she might be the only hope to figure things out.

Faircure and Crimson cruise along, not pulling their weight :(

Fran is trying, but chose the wrong path phases ago.

And Sorian laughs and can totally townielike complain about the quietness.

If it was not for the absortion mechanic this would definitely go to scum here.
 

Faddy

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You are on the right track Gorlak. But the game has been going on for a while and it is dragging. Not surprised Fran just wants to Turbo, there isn't much discussion happening so why not just vote?

I mean it is still at least 3 phases before this game is over.
 
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Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
I was hoping for a Muffin win at first, but I'm liking the idea that when/if he goes three fresh players will pop in, lol.

And even then, with his death they're just trading one neutral for another with no way of knowing a threat was in there.
 
I am going to be surprised if another phase lasts this long, this is probably the final one before phases last like an hour.
 

Faddy

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Sawnneks was just the burst of energy the game needed. And she has the whole thing solved so GG town.
 

Faddy

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I saw some people get hyped for the spec thread so here is some spice.

I'm going to trash Fran for a second here, birthday or not. He has been hammering, too strong, muttering away that something is wrong with monkey's claim for 3 phases now. For me it is classic hedging. He isn't doing any work to prove his theory but wants it out there just in case he is right.

Well Fran you are wrong and bad.
 

Faddy

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If they get Sorian today it is basically game over. There will be no night kills. With 4 town alive they have enough to lynch both Sawneeks and L_P before the game ends.

Town has actually played really well in this game. They never got too tricky with their lynches and have hit 6/8 so far and might go 8/10.

Day 1: Silky 3rd party
Day 2: Nicole 3rd party
Day 3: Nin (there was a weird revive thing happening here too)
Day 4: Kalor 3rd party
Day 5: Natiko 3rd party
Day 6: *Splinter Mafia
Day 7: Hecht (a genuine mislynch)
Day 8: Muffin 3rd party

My favourite play was Terraforce outing to stay on Town and get his victory later. Good assessment on his own position and Town's position in the game.

I'm actually looking forward to the mafia thread. Seeing how well they understood what they were doing, if they had a plan etc.

@Geno can you say what happened on night 1, why did all those actions fail?
 
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