Crab 12-24-2014 07:38 PM ET (US) ElTopo and ZippedPinHead, you are the Lovers. You may use this board for discussion. It must remain secret to other players for the duration of the game, but will become public when the game is completed. 2 TestDummy 12-25-2014 04:55 AM ET (US) Ignore this! 3 Zipped 12-25-2014 03:52 PM ET (US) I'm new to playing mafia, but I am good at mysteries. Hopefully we don't get taken down right away. Want to play the first cycle kind of low key, or do you want to get out there? Since if one of us dies we both die, I think we need to be on the same page 4 El Topo 12-25-2014 06:40 PM ET (US) I guess it's best to stay low key for now, just fly under the radar. I have no idea what other roles/jobs there are though and how we need to prepare, but it's best not to draw attention to ourselves. Since we have no special powers there's not really anything we can do anyway. 5 Zipped 12-26-2014 12:25 AM ET (US) I agree at least for the first day night phase, now if someone targets us that will change, but until then. Being able to discuss here may help us think up a voting plan seperately too. 6 El Topo 01-08-2015 12:19 PM ET (US) Should we vote No Lynch? I'm sceptical about how some pretend as if we'll have much more information next time. Oh, and happy new year! 7 Zipped 01-08-2015 02:55 PM ET (US) Happy new year! I agree no lynch first day. Since the assumption is that the mafia already know a lot of their number we are far more likely to kill a tourist. That being said, If more than one person got "nominated" and others quickly deflected it may reveal that they are a mafia pair (kind of like us) 8 Zipped 01-12-2015 11:05 AM ET (US) Ok so the first kill has occurred. They killed off our veto character, my thoughts are that either they have some sort of ability as a group to see one other person's job, or they got lucky in killing off a player with an ability. This is assuming that not everyone has an ability. Barry wanted to slow the game down, he didn't want us to rush. This kind of makes me suspect the second no lynch person. Palmer cancelled his initial vote, even though he was the first to vote no lynch, if he was mafia I don't think he would have done that. Amir0x, nin1000 and pants are on my radar. Nin1000 was on Barry's radar too. What do you think? 9 El Topo 01-12-2015 02:56 PM ET (US) I agree mostly with you. Amir0x is definitely on my radar as well. Technically all those that had this weird argument ("We'll know much more!") are (although I think some of them might just have a special role), but Amir0x behaved too suspiciously (and he's too smart for that). I guess traube is on my radar as well, but I can't quite put my finger on why, probably unfairly because he posted a lot. I'll have to carefully read through the thread, which I didn't have time for today, to come think about it. That said, I think they got lucky with killing off the colonel. Even if they have someone that can tell them the jobs, doesn't change much for me as long as they can only kill one per round. I think they killed him off because he had a lot of experience with Mafia/Werewolf. I think we should keep a close eye on how people behave in comparison to the first round, e.g. if anything changes for Timeaisis, who named his suspects. Edit: Yeah, nin1000 could be a suspect as well. I think anyone open about potential suspects based on almost nothing should be a suspect for now. Given that nin1000 named Barry as a suspect, that puts him above Timeaisis on the list for me (for now). We'll see and will have to analyze the behaviour on how things develop with the voting this round. I assume the mafia will try to not interact much with each other, maybe even "accuse" other mafia members, so they seem more innocent. We'll have to observe how things move on. 10 Zipped 01-12-2015 03:34 PM ET (US) So what is our plan if we get targeted? We can't help the mafia taking us out, but what are our options if the rest of the tourists decide to kill us? We should leave the "other person dies if you kill one of us" thing Out no matter what though 11 El Topo 01-12-2015 04:43 PM ET (US) Good question. If we get killed at night, there's nothing we can do about it. We haven't shown any suspicious behaviour, so I doubt we'll be targeted soon. That said, if one of us is targeted, that person should try to reason with them, e.g. if someone would accuse one of us, that person/we could point out that there's absolutely no shred of evidence. The whole "I have a special job" should be our very last option, if they're about to lynch us. Edit: I seriously doubt we'll be a target soon though. Plenty of suspicious candidates even without us. Edit 2: QuantumBro seriously says the cop should reveal himself/herself? That's a...weird proposition. Not sure if I should draw attention to myself by pointing out how we would give up one of our greatest jobs that way. 12 Zipped 01-14-2015 11:20 AM ET (US) You may want to post today some. I think that some votes will start to come in today. stay dead would be on my radar, except he replaced Xpike. Unless Xpike could not play, I think he probably is just a normal. I'm really nervous with pants, nin1000, foshy and timeasis. Not sure why really, except for pants and Nin1000. Pants has been tettering on no lynch, which I think doesn't benefit us this day. Starting to vote for people will make people defend themselves, and that can cause mafia people to screw up and may make us think harder about who is a tourist. Nin1000, was gung-ho day0 and was very consistent. As soon as this was pointed out by Barry, Nin changed how often he posted. Nin never really defended against the accusation either, just kind of shrugged it off, which is a great deflection. Nin1000 is the person I am most suspicious of, he seems to know what he is doing, and is stirring the pot in all the right spots. I'm tempted to vote nin1000 once someone votes for anything (just to stir that pot the other direction) 13 El Topo 01-14-2015 11:44 AM ET (US) I'll post later. Still have to get some work done for another hour, after which I'll probably just call it a day. Those you mentioned seemed suspicious to me as well. Then again, everyone active always seems suspicious. Nin1000 definitely seems suspicious though, but I'll have to think about it. Again, sorry, haven't had too much time today to really think about it, will do later. 14 El Topo 01-14-2015 03:49 PM ET (US) Okay, I think for now I'm gonna rule out timeasis, if only because he listed you as "likely town". It's possible of course he's mafia and deliberately listed people he knows are tourists, s.t. he seems innocent (in which case it might be a good idea to lynch someone he considered suspicious). He made some other comments earlier that made me doubt him, but for now I'm willing to put him aside. Now nin1000 and pants also seem a bit fishy, but I'm wondering if maybe that's all just because they're active. I mean if I was mafia, I'd try my very best to not draw *any* attention to me, because in this game, any attention is bad. I think we should maybe let others come forward with their suspicions and then, once we've lynched the first person, try to see what conclusions we can draw from that. 15 Zipped 01-14-2015 06:13 PM ET (US) your reasoning for timeasis is pretty sound, I think for now we can keep him aside. Pants and Nin go from really active to hardly active, which may help throw suspicion. I think if they get nominated and we see a lot of our suspicious people defend them it may give us some information. 16 Zipped 01-15-2015 02:59 PM ET (US) Ok so traube going along and doing his own thing and voting no lynch... I don't know, it seems like he is acting independantly of everyone. It's really weird, he doesn't/hasn't really had conversations with anyone. He just posts his reasoning and just does something. It's so weird. Not "he is a fool character" weird, it's just weird. 17 El Topo 01-15-2015 03:22 PM ET (US) Yeah, traube is weird. I'm not even sure if he is mafia or just like that, but he definitely stuck out to me before and especially now. I think it's possible he's just not that involved, doesn't have too many posts at GAF either. 18 Zipped 01-16-2015 12:23 PM ET (US) That makes sense with traube, What do you think about egruntz and irfaanator? Everyone seems to be jumping on egruntz, and I think that either faction he is kind of playing sloppy based on outside activities. (His other threads indicate he has a lot on his mind right now). I can't bring that kind of stuff up in game but it could be a reason for his standoffish behavior. Irfaanator though, he seems awfully suspicious. Problem is that his actions could easily be the actions of someone who WANTS to kill himself in the game. He would want to piss us off and kill him. It's working a lot of people want his head.. 19 El Topo 01-16-2015 01:12 PM ET (US) Phew, glad I finally have some time to enjoy this game again. I think egruntz is drawing way too much attention to himself, but given his other stuff I'm willing to let that slide. He made a few good points, even if he went way overboard in general. I think it's interesting how massive the reaction against him has been though and it's possible, he even says that if we lynch a townie we can still use the information from the discussion, that he's just trying to lure players out. For now I'm willing to say that he's no mafia. I'm wondering about Palmer_v1 though. Some suspicious behaviour and some inconsistencies. He pretends to know very little (e.g. votes for three players), but on the other hand (post #266, post #221, post #381) he seems to have played the game before, maybe even quite often. Why would he screw up voting or was that some kind of "I'd vote for those" post? Assuming he is mafia, his lynching proposals (Irfaanator, Amir0x, egruntz) could indicate they're innocent. I can't really disagree with his reasons too much, although Amir0x seems to come out of nowhere (even if I agree). Irfaanator? He got a pass from timeaisis, then accused him of being (potentially) mafia. Some other suspicious posts as well, could be anything. I'm wondering though if the mafia does it like we do and stays away from each other in the thread. In that case it might be helpful - I might do that later - to analyze who has talked to whom/who has been quoted by whom. I'm probably going to sit back for another day to see how everyone reacts. Edit: Did Irfaanator and egruntz ever talk in the thread? You'd think throwing out accusations they would've inevitably mentioned each other. 20 Zipped 01-16-2015 01:58 PM ET (US) I'll take a look at irfaanator and egruntz as well. With how active they are it's weird if they did not quote or talk to each other. I'm thinking that palmer_v1 over thought the rules. He posted as such. He is definitely a person that could be suspicious, especially if someone he is "suspicious" of died and is a tourist. 21 Zipped 01-18-2015 09:46 PM ET (US) So even though egruntz is probably just on tilt due to real world stuff, I think he our best shot at lynching someone today. Do you think we should pull the trigger? 22 Zipped 01-18-2015 11:56 PM ET (US) After thinking about this, here are my guesses for deaths tonight. I bet the mafia will kill Palmer (if he isn't mafia) Egruntz is probably safe if we don't kill him today. the mafia may kill timeasis or johnnyquickknives as well. We are also an outside shot (either one of us really), but I think we are largely ok. I am thinking that we (the tourists) won't lynch anyone today. What do you think? 23 El Topo 01-19-2015 03:28 AM ET (US) If we don't lynch anyone today that would be a mistake. Not necessarily mathematically, but it's about as interesting as just lynching people randomly because statistically it might be best. I'm going to vote egruntz, if only because I think we can draw some conclusions from his death. Don't think he's really mafia actually, but I'm not gonna convince anyone (in time) to vote for someone else. 24 Zipped 01-19-2015 09:06 PM ET (US) With egruntz being a tourist it answers some questions. 1). Not everyone has a power 2). It is very likely that the mafia used his outburst to turn the rest of us against him. 3). My bets for deaths tonight are Palmer, ultron, timeasis, or me (us). Maybe foshy or another player (especially if they tried to kill two last night and couldn't because of a tourists ability. 4). If we survive, based on who gets killed I think we should play against Time, Palmer or Amirox (especially Amirox if he comes back). They are very involved, jumped on egruntz after his posts, and are very influential. 25 El Topo 01-20-2015 06:45 AM ET (US) I fear we're being played by the mafia. All they need to do is lean back and let us do the dirty work. We should probably target the less active/vocal players. I mean, if I was mafia, I would try to avoid all attention, which is probably what they are doing. 26 Zipped 01-20-2015 02:41 PM ET (US) I think that is why I am most Leary if Amirox, was all gung-ho and then as soon as the first night ended. He went into low key mode. Almost as if someone told him to lay off. Alternatively, they are having different mafia people take active roles on different days to try and keep everyone off all of them, but still allow them one or two members to "guide" the discussion to kill a tourist. I almost want to start the next day with a vote, just to see what happens 27 El Topo 01-21-2015 02:55 PM ET (US) That's the problem with a forum-based mafia game though. In real life you can look how everyone reacts, you can all discuss it and no one can really stay completely away from the game. I'm also thinking about starting the next day with a vote, if only so we tourists finally have the initiative. I don't know, I need to think about it. I don't even think the mafia is all that involved. Why do something when the tourists kill each other? 28 Zipped 01-21-2015 10:18 PM ET (US) Yeah it makes sense if most of the mafia is laying low, and just one person a day is making sure we don't vote one of them out. Noticed that AmiR0x came back to post... Almost as if he can't wait until crab announces who died.. 29 Zipped 01-25-2015 07:07 PM ET (US) So do we still want to go on the offensive? Most of my thoughts on duress are in the game topic on GAF 30 Zipped 01-26-2015 02:50 PM ET (US) I think timeasis might be the vigilante. Just based on our back and forth conversation. I also think that stay dead is definitely NOT the vigilante and is probably a tourist. 31 El Topo 01-28-2015 02:21 PM ET (US) Sorry I haven't posted in a while. A lot of work, a lot of stress lately. I'll try to catch up. 32 Zipped 01-29-2015 09:48 AM ET (US) Kalor seemed to be chomping at the bit to find the vigilante, he may be Mafia. Theory, Quantum is Policeman, he didn't find out anything night one, so he didn't post much. On the last night he investigated Kalor last night and found out he was mafia. Then he compiled a bunch of posts to justify it and send us down this path. I'l still leary of AmiRox and Palmer but Kalor seems like a good target. 33 Zipped 02-01-2015 07:53 AM ET (US) So who do you want to vote for? 34 El Topo 02-01-2015 02:39 PM ET (US) I think there's three legitimate candidates that have a chance of "winning". Kalor, for the reasons you mentioned, johnnyquickknives who has been suspicious and very vocal, last but not least Amir0x. I'm willing to give Amir0x the benefit of the doubt though, because I don't think he'd stoop so low and be deliberately inactive as a mafia, only to lie about it. That leaves Kalor and johnny and there I'm going to go with my guts and vote Kalor. Not sold on him. A bit weird how calm Kalor is though. Is there a tourist role that wouldn't mind to get murdered? Edit: You know what? I'll vote for johnnyquickknives. He's been suspicious for a while, he was accused of egruntz. Same with Palmer_v1, who essentially started the whole "Let's vote Kalor" thing and was supported by Amir0x for no reason. 35 El Topo 02-01-2015 06:22 PM ET (US) You've got to be kidding me about johnny. 36 Zipped 02-01-2015 06:22 PM ET (US) I missed the vote (completely spaced this morning after that first post). Well it looks like we killed the vigilante, so we should only have one kill tonight, even though he was a tourist. Since he was a tourist, I'm thinking that we have more direction on some people. We know we aren't mafia, but those other people may be. If we get targetted, do we tell people about our two deaths for one deal? Not tell them who the other person is just that if they kill us they kill a second tourist. Opens up us to problems at night (that the doctor would have to save) 37 El Topo 02-01-2015 06:39 PM ET (US) I think we should only come clean (or at least imply that we shouldn't be killed) as a very last resort. As for who is mafia, I think we should focus on those inactive or "in the shadows". Or maybe we've just been unlucky and have gotten the two vocal players that happened to be tourists. 38 Crab 02-03-2015 07:22 PM ET (US) Good to see you deducting away in here, keep it up. 39 El Topo 02-04-2015 04:28 AM ET (US) I'm wondering if Palmer maybe knows more than we do. He's had a list of suspects for a while that occasionally changed, but some (irfanaator) have been on that list for a while. Maybe he's the cop? 40 Zipped 02-06-2015 05:47 PM ET (US) Yeah my current bets on cop/investigator is Palmer and QuantumBro. Palmer, because as you said he tends to stick to certain people. He also has only added people to his suspicion list, the don't leave unless they die. QuantumBro is on there because of his suspicions of kalor came out of the blue, and then he had that PM letter. That switch PM seems like something that occurs and then the cop gets informed that it occurs. As it's been said in thread it's possible that kalor and ward's deaths were switched. And if a vigilante killed ward but had aimed at Kalor... I'm really tempted to drop a vote on kalor, him or irfaanator. I think those deaths we can learn from. 41 El Topo 02-07-2015 02:47 PM ET (US) Yeah, I gotta gree with you, those seem most likely (outside of those completely hiding themselves). 42 Zipped 02-09-2015 11:32 AM ET (US) I'm not voting for kalor, I think kingkitty and Amirox are mafia, and with timeasis voting that way I'm thinking of voting MattyG, at least he has another vote. 43 El Topo 02-09-2015 12:44 PM ET (US) Seems reasonable. It's down to MattyG or Amir0x for me. 44 El Topo 02-09-2015 01:55 PM ET (US) Wait, what the fuck? I'm getting accused now? 45 Zipped 02-09-2015 05:37 PM ET (US) Yeah I saw that too, I think my post about kalor and Amirox deflected it since Palmer took it back immediately. 46 Zipped 02-09-2015 05:53 PM ET (US) Actually rereading, I think your post was the best thing that could happen. It's honest keeps the heat off and I think redirects him towards someone we both agree is a problem 47 Zipped 02-10-2015 05:52 PM ET (US) I think we might die tonight because of the votes against amir0x. Pretty sure he is mafia, I just know kalor is a waste of a kill... And if I'm wrong, well at least a mafia will be dead 48 El Topo 02-11-2015 08:21 AM ET (US) I'm completely convinced now Amir0x is mafia. First thing I'll do when the day starts is accuse him and vote for him. 49 Zipped 02-11-2015 08:37 AM ET (US) Same here! Kalor' death with him being an ordinary tourist. I think it outlines exactly who are mafia. AmiR0x, kingkitty, ifraanator, maybe lord of castemere (he had consistently voted for the town deaths, but then when called out on it votes no lynch) Timeasis could be mafia as well, less sure on him. If we survive ill Insta-vote Amirox. 50 El Topo 02-11-2015 09:17 AM ET (US) Seems pretty solid. I've had it with Amir0x, his response was downright "Hahaha, I'm totally tourist, hahaha". Did anything useful ever come from him (in the game)? Anyway, if we survive I'll vote for him immediately, if not we might still leave a message behind with our suspects. 51 El Topo 02-12-2015 06:56 PM ET (US) I'm almost tempted to claim that I'm the cop, if that means I might get one person 100% lynched. Kinda surprised no one has tried that yet. 52 Zipped 02-13-2015 06:13 PM ET (US) That might work. Only works if the doctor doesn't get killed tonight. And if we are wrong, our credibility goes kaput. I do hope we don't die, I spearheaded the amir0x death so it's possible. Just want to get the ball moving on some mafia folks. I have a feeling they are 4-5 deep, and either a mafia don role (can kill once a night with no mafia input) or a town vigilante (can kill once a night without town/mafia input) So with 9 majority we still have a chance we just HAVE to convince some people to vote together. The mafia sure are. 53 Zipped 02-13-2015 07:03 PM ET (US) The suspense is killing me... Joking... 54 Zipped 02-15-2015 11:02 PM ET (US) Holy shit! ultron87 dropped a bomb in the thread. If we can assume timeasis and maybe Palmer are ok, then maybe we can get somewhere on Amir0x (and then karkador) 55 El Topo 02-16-2015 10:37 AM ET (US) You were not kidding. Holy shit indeed. I think maybe we should follow Palmer and vote for Amir0x? 56 Zipped 02-16-2015 12:16 PM ET (US) None of the normal group has showed up since the last kill, I'm guessing that one of the mafia kills got blocked and they are trying to cut losses on amir0x. If they don't come up to defend him or try to divert the lynch mob then we can't tie them together. I want to vote amir0x but I want to see if more information pops up first. 57 El Topo 02-18-2015 03:46 PM ET (US) Yeah. I wonder if we should maybe get more active and "attack" one of the inactive players. You know, force them out, do something surprising that forces *them* to react. Problem is it could easily backfire. 58 Zipped 02-20-2015 12:30 AM ET (US) I think it might work, especially for someone like kingkitty. But I'm trying to get that last bit of information out of this day. Like I posted In the thread if we get close to 10 votes, the mafia could sweep in a bit (they probably already have thrown at least one vote towards amir0x) and close the votes before we can figure stuff out. 59 Zipped 02-20-2015 04:18 PM ET (US) New theory traube, kingkitty, amir0x and lords of castemere are mafia. 60 Zipped 02-20-2015 04:19 PM ET (US) Maybe robotninjahornets as well 61 Zipped 02-21-2015 01:21 PM ET (US) Some of the alternates are nin1000, and Rembrandt. Both of them are suspicious as well. I mean it's always possible that timeasis, Palmer, Karkador, ultron87 and QuantumBro are playing us. But that would require a really crazy gambit, and if none of them did tonight I think that will be the case (no way the mafia do not target karkador (as the doctor) and ultron87. QuantumBro is probably being role blocked tonight. 62 El Topo 02-21-2015 05:46 PM ET (US) All possible, but Amir0x will go down this time I guess. Don't think (all) the really vocal members are mafia, that would mean we got played really well, which I don't think. 63 Zipped 02-21-2015 08:24 PM ET (US) I agree, I was just saying it was possible. I think lord of castemere is probably mafia, he's been all for voting others with less info before. 64 El Topo 02-22-2015 02:28 PM ET (US) Fuck this, I'm gonna vote lord of castamere first thing. I'm so tired of getting played. 65 Zipped 02-22-2015 04:01 PM ET (US) Sure sounds like a plan. Want me to jump on first day of wait a day? 66 Zipped 02-23-2015 09:07 PM ET (US) I feel terrible about amir0x dieing. He just kind of gave up... I didn't expect that. All of the kills have kind of just accepted it. It bothers me, why aren't these people trying to convince is that they aren't mafia when they are tourists. 67 El Topo 02-24-2015 05:06 PM ET (US) Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate how easy most took their death. That said, I'm just gonna vote, you can decide what to do based on whatever reactions we get. 68 Zipped 02-25-2015 09:32 AM ET (US) Ok with no deaths in a night could mean a lot. 1: the mafia decided not to kill anyone last night. The second killer also decided not to kill anyone. 2: one of the killers were blocked (by a role move similar to duress or by the doctor), the other killer decided not to kill anyone. The only reason to not kill anyone (option 1) would be to throw suspicion on the role claimers from yesterday. By them not dieing, it throws some suspicion that they may not be those roles, and are in fact Lying and are mafia. Option 2 is tougher to disprove and is probably what the role claimers are going to push for it. I'm going to ask if anyone wants to share their actions and role information. 69 El Topo 02-25-2015 09:56 AM ET (US) I was kinda expecting someone to kill me. Not killing anyone to bring suspicion onto those with the roles makes sense, it's possible of course that some of them are lying. I don't know, I think this whole discussion is just gonna lead us astray like the last times. 70 Zipped 02-26-2015 01:43 PM ET (US) I agree, I posted some theory crafting in the thread. Personally, my favorite one is the last one, that the mafia has a role that can only be killed by lynching. This would make the game more dramatic, and helps keep the "win condition" with the town (as opposed to a town vigilante getting lucky twice). It's also possible that neither the second killer or the mafia targetted anyone. Or that the second killer didn't target anyone and the other got blocked (or vice versa). Lots of different ways to end up without a kill at night, just really frustrating 71 El Topo 02-27-2015 06:18 PM ET (US) Did RobotNinjaHornets ever post something useful? He seems to be the (living) player with the least posts and unlike others I honestly can't remember him saying anything important. I don't know, pretty suspicious to me, either in a good way (cop) or bad way (mafia). Same seems true for Rembrandt and maybe AbsolutBro. I'll go through their posts to analyze their behavior. Edit: His posts are utterly pointless. No hints, no nothing. Mafia. 72 Zipped 02-28-2015 12:01 AM ET (US) I'm not a fan of any of them, especially robotninjahornets and absolutbro 73 El Topo 02-28-2015 06:53 PM ET (US) Rembrandt, AbsolutBro, RobotNinjaHornets. Three players with very few posts, but no prods, so they didn't just forget about the game. Three mafiosi would be a reasonable number, no? They all fit the same criteria as well. 74 Zipped 02-28-2015 08:02 PM ET (US) They do! I'm going to vote for robotnninjahornets either late Sunday or early Monday, citing your reasons. Hopefully some others will post likewise. 75 Zipped 03-01-2015 06:14 PM ET (US) And robotnninjahornets posts exactly the "ultron, quantum, karkador" as traitors theory... I say we string him up! I'll post tomorrow morning with my vote for him. 76 Zipped 03-04-2015 12:54 PM ET (US) I'll back your play for robotnninjahornets if you want. I think the only other option is traube. Let me know in no more than two hours and I will vote either way. 77 El Topo 03-04-2015 01:47 PM ET (US) We need your vote. It's 2:2 right now. 78 Zipped 03-04-2015 02:10 PM ET (US) I voted for him. I really do think traube is a bulletproof mafia player though. 79 El Topo 03-04-2015 05:03 PM ET (US) I fear I should've stuck with Castamere. 80 El Topo 03-04-2015 05:42 PM ET (US) Shit, almost killed a townie? Argh, maybe I should vote no lynch then. 81 El Topo 03-04-2015 06:01 PM ET (US) Well, that was a tenseful last hour. Unless both ultron87 and RNH are lying, they're tourists. Almost screwed things up. 82 Zipped 03-04-2015 06:31 PM ET (US) What is RNH's role? I'm not saying we didn't make the right decision, but did that come out? 83 El Topo 03-04-2015 06:43 PM ET (US) Don't think he gave us an actual name, but he said he can tell if someone got targeted. I'll demand in-detail information the next day though, I'm still not completely sold, but I haven't paid much attention to the whole "Who switched who" business. I mean all we know is that he targeted Palmer, not whether he is mafia or not. I'm getting feelings about Palmer though, although it's possible he can be ruled out already. Some of his suspects were tourists, he accused me earlier and then instantly let go when I defended myself, this time he simply voted without any comment. Oh well, after today I'll hold back I guess. 84 Zipped 03-05-2015 07:44 AM ET (US) I think Palmer has a role different then "sleepwalker". What kind of role? No clue. I'm still convinced that we either have the most worthless cop ever, or we don't have one. I also think that if karkador survives another night we have a better than good chance that traube is a bulletproof mafia person. 85 Zipped 03-06-2015 10:16 PM ET (US) If we die, I think we did good work, especially over the last few days. Hopefully others can learn if we do. 86 Zipped 03-08-2015 09:26 PM ET (US) Where is crab? 87 El Topo 03-09-2015 03:32 PM ET (US) He's still active, probably just waiting for someone with a special role. Heck, wouldn't be shocked if we had a cop that simply doesn't care, would explain a lot. 88 Zipped 03-10-2015 06:38 AM ET (US) You know what? You are right! It does make a lot of sense for the cop not to care. We haven't gotten any random mAfia nominations, and most nights crab has had to wait a fairly significant amount of time 89 Crab 03-10-2015 04:49 PM ET (US) This is a personal apology for missing the Day 6 reveal that ultron87 was saved. I hope it wouldn't have changed any of your decisions and if it did I'm genuinely sorry. I can't do anything to fix any different decisions you would have made at this stage, so you'll have to chalk it up to host fuck-up. 90 Zipped 03-10-2015 05:41 PM ET (US) So with nin1000 being tourist, I am pretty convinced that traube may be a "bulletproof" mafia person, if Karkador says he did NOT save himself 2 nights ago I think that is the likely action. Other potential mafia are robotnninjahornets, lords of castemere and Rembrandt, maybe throwing in kingkitty or pants. All six of these people are on my list. But I think we are finally at a place where we can make an educated guess. 91 Zipped 03-10-2015 05:51 PM ET (US) End game talk, if we get targeted, do you or me want to put is as "mason" brothers? That would give us credibility if we get targeted, but wouldn't clue the mafia in on the two for one special. 92 El Topo 03-10-2015 06:02 PM ET (US) I think RNH was sort of ruled out by ultron87. I'm willing to assume he is innocent for now, although he hasn't given us an updated list, has he? I'm thinking Lords of Castamere might be guilty. So quiet these days. 93 Zipped 03-11-2015 06:29 PM ET (US) RNH's role seems legit, I think he should come clean on the last two people though. We are at 18 people, potentially at 15 (I.e. After 1 more night) we will not be able to Stand up against a United mafia. It's even worse if they get us at night, because that would bring it to 7 vs 7. And I think it's possible we have seven mafia goons out there 94 Zipped 03-13-2015 12:52 AM ET (US) Karkador called me out for a role claim. If they keep pressing do You want to go the "masons" route? You don't have to show up unless they question it. I'm just thinking if we go any other route it wil clue the mafia into the whole kill one of us to kill both of us thing. What are you thinking about traube, RNH, karkador and all this mess? 95 El Topo 03-13-2015 06:42 AM ET (US) Just ignore their demands for a role claim. I find some of the responses by Karkador a bit weird to be honest. RNH is keeping names to himself, but I have no idea why he might be doing that. Edit: I misremembered RNH's ability. Makes sense that he would keep the names to himself since they could be tourist roles. 96 El Topo 03-13-2015 08:57 AM ET (US) Holy shit, Karkardor coming clean. Wow. 97 Zipped 03-13-2015 11:49 AM ET (US) With him being a serial killer, so we still not role claim? He specifically called me out. I can role claim mason and leave it up to my mason compatriot to reveal themself. I'm afraid of him killing one of us now. Mafia.. Eh 98 El Topo 03-13-2015 02:11 PM ET (US) If we die, we die. I don't see the point in claiming to have a role, that just draws attention, especially since they've forgotten about it anyway. I'm a bit hesitant at lynching Karkador. I wish we could use him to lynch one of our suspects. Anyway, I'll force myself to go through the thread tomorrow and see what I can dig up about everyone. Maybe I'll have a convincing suspect then. 99 Zipped 03-13-2015 02:32 PM ET (US) I still like lords of castemere and traube. Your right, unless hee get a bandwagon of people trying to get us best avoid it for now 100 Zipped 03-14-2015 08:05 AM ET (US) Mafia potentials, traube, kingkitty, lord of castemere and MattyG. All four of them have come out of the woodwork to make sure that lord of castemere dies today. The only one that's posted semi regularly is kingkitty (followed by traube). None of the. Have ever been helpful and all of them never seem to have the guilt that the rest of us have at lynching townies. 101 El Topo 03-16-2015 05:17 PM ET (US) Tell me what to vote. Didn't have much time lately, will likely have no time next week. I'll have to ask Crab how to handle this. 102 Zipped 03-17-2015 07:04 AM ET (US) Vote Karkador or Rembrandt. Either is a viable choice. I voted Rembrandt because the guy has been worthless and I think that Karkador throws a wrench into who the mafia can hit and who they can't. And tomorrow we kill Karkador if we don't end up learning anything tonight. Just trying to get a mafia person. 103 Crab 03-17-2015 06:44 PM ET (US) Because of the unique way your role works, I am counting you as technically a different alignment for the purposes of the vote. As such, I need either both of you to vote in favour, one in favour and one abstain, or both abstain for the day-length to change. 104 El Topo 03-17-2015 07:37 PM ET (US) Whatever Zipped wants, I agree with. 105 Zipped 03-18-2015 12:06 AM ET (US) i think its probably for the best. 106 El Topo 03-19-2015 06:42 AM ET (US) Crab got banned. 107 El Topo 03-20-2015 04:34 PM ET (US) I'm not sure how much time I'll have next week. It's possible I don't find the time to post at all. If that happens, should Crab see this post, I would vote however Zipped wants me to vote. 108 Zipped 03-20-2015 04:58 PM ET (US) If it becomes close I may PM you, but that's not a big deal. It's also possible we die this night. Hopefully everything comes back soon, but you never know 109 Zipped 03-23-2015 06:01 PM ET (US) Are we dead? 110 Crab 03-24-2015 09:42 AM ET (US) I can confirm you are not, in fact, dead. 111 El Topo 03-24-2015 04:39 PM ET (US) Yet. 112 Zipped 03-24-2015 05:14 PM ET (US) Two down two to go, if crab's accidental slip up was legit. I did put this in thread post 1279, because I saw the post before crab edited it. Still think I may have not been paying attention, and it could be five but hey at least two are dead Lord of castamere's freak out death was very "caught Villian from pheonix wright or danganronpa"-esque. 113 Zipped 03-28-2015 06:16 PM ET (US) Prod:crab 114 Crab 03-29-2015 05:20 PM ET (US) Not me needing to be prodded. :/ I have a serial time-taker who misses the night deadline more or less every round. 115 El Topo 03-29-2015 05:35 PM ET (US) Well, is Palmer really a sleepwalker? Do we really have two of those? 116 Zipped 03-29-2015 06:28 PM ET (US) My guess is Palmer is either an awesome town role (like a full doctor similar to what lord of castemere said he was), a role guesser (a cop), or is mafia. 117 Zipped 03-30-2015 06:32 PM ET (US) With MattyG confirmed town, I think kingkitty is mafia, he has picked up the "slack" since pants has died, and has been cagey with his votes from the beginning. Another potential is traube, just get the wrong vibe from him. And we do need to kill karkador before we kill the last mafia folk 118 Crab 03-30-2015 06:37 PM ET (US) I've just noticed you've been reading into my earlier edit when I changed it from three REDACTEDs to just REDACTED. That doesn't mean there are three mafia, I just first put three REDACTEDs to indicate there were multiple, then decided that was a statement of the bleeding obvious anyway. The main reason I edited that post was to put in the notarealurl joke - I get to have fun too. Just letting you know so I'm not culpable for any strategic mistakes. 119 Zipped 03-31-2015 08:50 AM ET (US) Thank you crab for the clarification! 120 Zipped 03-31-2015 11:21 AM ET (US) We are probably going to have to role claim today, well at least role claim as masons or something. If they decide to start targeting us, or either of us gets on karkador' bad side, then we may need to 121 Zipped 03-31-2015 12:17 PM ET (US) New theory for palmer, He is the "hunter" character. If he dies whoever he has voted for (if during the day) or whoever he targets at night also dies... It makes perfect sense as to why he always targets someone, won't tell us his role but it only matters when he dies. 122 Zipped 03-31-2015 01:17 PM ET (US) Lots of murderers abound. Role claim? 123 El Topo 03-31-2015 05:23 PM ET (US) Did you notice ultron said "no one targeted them" instead of "him"? Post 1349. Does he know more than he admits or just a slip of tongue? Edit: Forget what I wrote. Late here. Eh, maybe. I'm skeptical regarding Palmer, but he could have another role? I mean, sleepwalker is a great disguise for both mafia and tourist. 124 Zipped 03-31-2015 05:37 PM ET (US) Yeah holy shit... I think he is legitimate cop, and has just been using the targets only thing so that he can stay alive... Is that what you are referring to in your post? 125 El Topo 03-31-2015 05:39 PM ET (US) Yup. First I thought mafia, but that makes no sense. He's cop. 126 Zipped 03-31-2015 05:51 PM ET (US) So if we have to role claim, he should back us up even if he doesn't say why. 127 El Topo 03-31-2015 05:52 PM ET (US) For all we know, ultron87 can tell if someone got targeted, right? Yet his comment implies he knows our role. Unless the cop has two abilities, wouldn't that require him to get information from another player, i.e. he would have to be mafia? I mean has his "who targeted who" been consistent? 128 Zipped 03-31-2015 05:58 PM ET (US) Also I think palmer has guessed that as well. It makes sense. 129 El Topo 03-31-2015 06:01 PM ET (US) Going over ultron's posts, I'm not entirely sure if he is really the cop. He also got rid of Lords of Castamere by pointing out his lies, but that could've just been part of a plan. What if LoC never got annoyed, but instead they sacrificed him to make ultron87 (or someone else) seem more trustworthy? Okay, I'm overthinking this. It's still weird. How would he know I'm part of a group? I don't doubt his ability to know whether someone was targeted. 130 Zipped 03-31-2015 06:23 PM ET (US) You know the more I think about it he has been completely consistent. He hasn't missed a beat. However maybe his job has a bit more to it than we think... Maybe on the first visit you can pick whether you get role or who targets and then second time you get the other. It would be a reason why he redacted some of his posts, and it also would be a good reason why he goes back to others. 131 El Topo 03-31-2015 06:30 PM ET (US) Forget what I wrote. Karkador said the mafia tried to kill ultron, he is clean. 132 El Topo 04-01-2015 06:30 PM ET (US) I feel we might die tonight, if mafia picks up on ultron's quote (or if he is mafia). It does make me wonder though why we've been spared until now and I assume it's because we've never been a threat to mafia. 133 Zipped 04-01-2015 09:12 PM ET (US) I don't know either, I think we have largely been spared from karkador because he liked to kill the people that we almost vote for and then don't. Thinking that the mafia saved them. As far as the mafia not killing us? I think the day I called pants out was probably our closest chance to death. They probably have chose to look at us in the past and since we don't target they think we are just regular tourists. I'll back your play today. Unless our names start getting floated for lynching I think we don't reveal. Mans we reveal right at the end and post our message board. Complete reveal to everyone. It confirms in the only concrete way that we are town. Opens us up for death but it will help other identify who to target. If we survive another night we need to kill karkador. Too much of a liability. We still win as long as all the mafia die 134 El Topo 04-02-2015 04:51 AM ET (US) Any idea who we should vote for? RNH's list is very convenient (formerly redacted names dead), but accusing traube seems weird. It's all too convenient, but it kinda fits the whole "Mafia have to send someone to kill" idea. If he's innocent though, I think they'll off us and Karkie might kill one of them. Karkie is useful, but he's playing us. He's withholding the supposed name of his victim so we don't lynch him. I'm almost willing to go with traube actually. 135 El Topo 04-02-2015 12:56 PM ET (US) Crazy theory: Palmer and ultron87 are mafia. LoC goes "crazy" so that ultron can expose him, both he and Palmer were the first "on the scene" and voted for him. Palmer is obviously lying about his role, has he given us useful information? Why didn't ultron get offed, even if he's such a prominent tourist. Well, that kinda reads like a conspiracy theory. Can't quite explain why ultron had to be saved though, maybe Karkie lied. Edit: Also Kark might've tried to kill ultron but failed? Interesting. 136 Zipped 04-02-2015 02:12 PM ET (US) Ultron got saved from death by nin1000, unless karkador targeted him that night and has been lieing about it the whole time it is unlikely that ultron is mafia. Palmer I am less certain about, 137 El Topo 04-02-2015 03:34 PM ET (US) For all I know, Karkador might be lying. No one is going to call him out for that. It's also possible some switcheroo was involved. Edit: By the way, Crab, would it be possible for us - in case we die - to leave a message behind to the other members regarding our theories and speculation? 138 Zipped 04-03-2015 12:12 PM ET (US) Also crab, if one of us dies from a murder and the other throws themselves off a balcony will that be common knowledge? Or will the tourists not know who was targeted and who was the unfortunate side effect? 139 Crab 04-03-2015 05:18 PM ET (US) You can't leave a message with speculations in, no. They will know which one of you was targeted for the kill, yes. Sorry, that should have been specified on your roles, my fault. 140 El Topo 04-03-2015 05:22 PM ET (US) Doesn't matter really. Can't believe RNH was mafia. Accusing traube was such a dumb move, as was his entire list. I am redeemed in hindsight! Kinda. Heck, I accused LoC as well. A bit sad I can't leave a message behind, not even something like 1349, but then again if Karkie kills whoever he attacked before we might be safe. Edit: I really can't believe RNH tried to get away with it like that. 141 Zipped 04-03-2015 05:30 PM ET (US) So the mafia had two role blockers. I am redeemed that the blocker being town was wrong. And it shows that the people who were blocked were blocked by him. Glad he is dead. So we kill karkador tomorrow and then tomaksatnav? 142 Zipped 04-03-2015 05:31 PM ET (US) Assuming that traube isn't lieing kingkitty and absolutbro are not mafia. Karkador might target one of them to double check if traube is lieing or not. We still need to kill him tomorrow 143 El Topo 04-03-2015 05:52 PM ET (US) I think killing Karkie* is best. He's a loose cannon, even if he's telling the truth. Afterwards, we'll see. I found traube's act incredibly unbelievable, although I guess it's possible he's a tourist trying to draw attention from the mafia and/or Karkie. I still can't believe I was right about RNH. Shit, we could've gotten rid of him days ago. *I have no idea why I keep calling him that. 144 Zipped 04-04-2015 09:38 PM ET (US) I think tonight will go faster, I've been thinking that RNH had been the slow poke at night 145 Zipped 04-05-2015 03:35 PM ET (US) So if we don't die, And karkador doesn't die, I'm going to instantly vote karkador. My guess on deaths is Mafia= traube or ultron87. karkador= absolutbro or one of us. 146 El Topo 04-05-2015 04:46 PM ET (US) I don't think Karkador can die at night. Now is the time to lynch him. 147 Zipped 04-05-2015 09:28 PM ET (US) Ok we've got a plan 148 Zipped 04-06-2015 06:09 PM ET (US) We lived, when do you want to vote? After karkador and Palmer reveal? 149 El Topo 04-07-2015 03:56 AM ET (US) I think I'll vote next. I'm also highly sceptical about Palmer. He lied and pulled the same shit that RNH did. There's no way we have two sleepwalker, is there? That said, Karkador next. So tired of his shit. 150 Zipped 04-07-2015 11:10 PM ET (US) I agree, I'm pretty sure he has some other role, he's definitely not a sleepwalker though. I posted my best bet. Still tired of his and traube' shit. If traube ends up being unkillable I will flip because I called it seems ago. I'm thinking if mafia kills anyone it will be traube (Assumjng he is not lying about his role), one of us (either really, you have a great track record and I'm in probably too many conversations), or Palmer (just because they don't know what his real role is) Who do you have a feeling about tomorrow? If the kill traube and he isn't lying I say we either go hard at tomaksatnav. After him it would be palmer then time. If they don't kill traube, It would not surprise me to see kingkitty and absolutbro be mafia too 151 El Topo 04-08-2015 04:15 AM ET (US) If Palmer or traube are not mafia, they're doing us a disservice with all their shenanigans. The problem is that all this diverts our attention from those that do little (e.g. tomaksatnav) or those that I don't trust at all (Timeaisis). It sucks we seem to have no (real) cop, so with guys like toma all we can do is guess whether they're mafia, since there's no way for us to tell. 152 Zipped 04-08-2015 07:57 PM ET (US) You see what karkador did? Bastard, we still need two votes to get him, but him switching means that we could be in trouble. I'm still not nervousc. But if we survive another night I say we vote to lunch traube or tomak. 153 El Topo 04-09-2015 06:01 AM ET (US) The more suspicious we seem, the less likely it is the mafia kills us, no? 154 Zipped 04-09-2015 10:39 AM ET (US) Hopefully, My money is on traube (if he isn't mafia) and Palmer (if he isn't mafia). Is traube dies and is that role, I'm thinking tomak, then timeasis or Palmer. If traube doesn't die, vote traube. If traube dies and is not that drunk cop, no clue... 155 Topo 04-13-2015 06:11 PM ET (US) Looks like Karkador wasn't lying. 156 Zipped 04-13-2015 06:31 PM ET (US) And that he definitely killed pants. But it is worded such that he could have been not targeting all along. Throws more shade on those 1 and no kill days 157 Topo 04-14-2015 03:55 PM ET (US) Timeaisis is dead. Huh. No idea on how to proceed. 158 Zipped 04-14-2015 04:39 PM ET (US) They had to kill someone that said he was an ordinary tourist. Me mentioning the hunter role may have scared them off myself. Why mention this role if he doesn't have it? It does through more shade on traube though. I Can jump on killing traube, or tomaksatnav. Either one is a good kill, if traube is true, then we prove that only Palmer and tomaksatnav could be mafia left. If traube is mafia, we get closer. 159 Zipped 04-14-2015 06:16 PM ET (US) Ok so if traube is mafia, it is likely that at least one of absolutbro and kingkitty are mafia. If traube is his role then the only two people left are Palmer, and tomaksatnav to be mafia. Tomaksatnav would make sense, the mafia only seemed to come out of the woodwork when they had too. Letting us kill each other as we needed. Palmer, on the other hand, would be a really long con. I'm unconvinced that he is a sleepwalker. Having two makes it interesting. But unlikely. Either way I want to hear what traube says. Maybe he will fuck up. maybe he will say he investigated one of us (good or bad). If he says either are mafia, we can reveal our role (but sadly not the board) and confirm that we are townies as best as possible. Lynching him. Still have no clue how this could play out, but these next two votes are critical. If there are two or three mafia left and we don't get one today, we are fucked if we lose two+ people 160 Zipped 04-14-2015 06:29 PM ET (US) If we kill traube, and he is town then we know 5 of the last seven players are town. If he is mafia, that leaves 3 of the last seven as garaunteed townies. But that only helps others if we reveal. If traube reveals anyone else is town, other than us, I think we come clean. Kill traube (to confirm his role), then outline that if traube is town, the last mafia person has to be the last character (1 more mafia optimal solution). Everything else he says can make stuff hazy. We have really got to think about this 161 Zipped 04-16-2015 10:38 AM ET (US) Did traube just admit to being mafia? 162 Zipped 04-16-2015 11:19 AM ET (US) Ok so mafia is probably killing, one of us or Palmer. If We live who do you think we go after? It kind of puts us at square one. 163 Zipped 04-18-2015 12:03 PM ET (US) I do wonder what crab is prepping for the next night/day 164 Topo 04-19-2015 05:49 PM ET (US) WOHOOOOO! 165 Crab 04-19-2015 05:54 PM ET (US) Congratulations guys! You've also both been given a special mention for the best player award. 166 Topo 04-19-2015 05:56 PM ET (US) I think I'll post a longer comment on the game in the thread, but I'd just like to say that you've done a great job Crab. Thank you. 167 Lord 04-19-2015 06:01 PM ET (US) Wow. You sneaky bastards.