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[Fanto]

If Muffin is scum though, who do you think is his scum mate?

My read list right now would probably look like:

Town:
Stuart
Brazil
Zeke
Coolest (green check)

Lean Town
Natiko

Lean Scum
Gryvan

Scum
Fandorin
Muffin

If any of the people in my Town list are scum then they have bamboozled me pretty good.

Natiko I'm less sure on. Plisken felt slightly scummy before he left, and Natiko has been a tough read for me at times, and I like some of the points people have brought up against him, however his defenses have always looked solid as fuck, so I lean town on him, but I'm keeping my eye on him and could easily be convinced that he is scum if someone made a good case.

Gryvan had one of the stranger votes on D1, he followed on to the Red vote right after the "Survival Pact" votes came in from Zeke and Final, which I believe moved it to one away from a turbo until Zeke quickly unvoted. Other than that he's made some big posts which people seem to feel good about, but I don't get the sense he has done as much scum hunting as my town reads.

Fandorin, I feel like he has been skating by for a while with no real pressure at all. He could very easily be a scum member in my eyes. When I asked in here about what the meta-read on him is, Faddy said that he can blend in as Scum very well, so I feel like he is someone people should be looking at more than they have been. This is something that Natiko said today as well, so if Natiko is Town, then I think he's feeling the same way.

So, I would think either Gryvan or Fandorin could be the scum partner for Muffin. I haven't checked much for any interactions between either of them and Muffin, but nothing is really sticking out in my mind right away. Natiko is possible. Anyone else being Scum would mean my reads are trash haha.

If anyone from my Town list is scum though, it's probably Brazil, but I think both him and Zeke are Town based on their whole spat they had, so that's why I doubt it. There's the off-chance that Coolest is a Godfather or the check was otherwise altered, but I doubt that too. Stuart, I see no reason to doubt his bulletproof claim. Low chance that he's a Neutral I guess, but I don't really see him as Scum.

 

[empressdonna]

Wonder who is going to get lynched today. No real clear leader yet.

 

[Fanto]

I feel like Stuart should be able to push Town to lynch Muffin today. I'm all in on Muffin + Fandorin at this point.

 

[SweetNicole]

Spoiler

you've been bamboozled

 

[Fanto]

Well then who am I wrong about?

 

[SweetNicole]

Well then who am I wrong about?

If anyone from my Town list is scum though, it's probably Brazil

I've only played with town!Muffin in Marvel Mafia, and the number of players in that game blurs everything up... so I can't possibly say :P

I'd like to hear Muffin 's thoughts on SweetNicole 's early prodding, and Nicole's opinion on what Fand accused Muffin of doing. If I'm not mistaken, one of you subbed for the other in the past, right? I'm expecting some high level meta reads here.

I have got an ok feeling about Brazil but only because he has been very active that doesn't often happen when you are scum unless he's very experienced

 

[Fanto]

Makes sense.

 

[empressdonna]

Could be Fandorin or Muffin today with the way things are going.

 

[The Bear]

There might be a nasty surprise waiting...

 

[Fanto]

This is tense lol.

 

[SweetNicole]

They've pretty much lost the game at this point.

 

[Fanto]

Well, looks like it's going to be Fandorin. This will be interesting.

 

[SweetNicole]

Well, looks like it's going to be Fandorin. This will be interesting.

 

[The Bear]

Well, looks like it's going to be Fandorin. This will be interesting.

 

[Fanto]

What did I say?

 

[Fanto]

Stu with the vote switch!

 

[empressdonna]

well that was certainly a... interesting EOD

 

[SweetNicole]

well that was certainly a... interesting EOD

it isn't over yet

 

[Fanto]

Z-Beat voted Muffin too. Figured that was where he was going to put it.

 

[Fanto]

Oh what, now it's on Fan? I could have swore I just saw it on Muffin?

 

[The Bear]

There it is.

 

[The Bear]

Oh what, now it's on Fan? I could have swore I just saw it on Muffin?

Beat changed his vote on last possible second.

 

[Fanto]

Ok, so Fan could cancel a lynch on himself? Is that it?

 

[The Bear]

Ok, so Fan could cancel a lynch on himself? Is that it?

He can cancel any lynch. 1-shot power.

 

[SweetNicole]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Governor

 

[empressdonna]

what the hell?

 

[empressdonna]

next day this would either clear fandorin or cause a battle between zeke and fandorin.

Due to the bomb and janitor thing probably.

 

[Fanto]

Huh. I'm assuming this basically clears Fandorin for tomorrow then. I wonder if Scum will try to kill him tonight then. I also wonder if they will go back to Muffin tomorrow or not, because they really should.

 

[SweetNicole]

Huh. I'm assuming this basically clears Fandorin for tomorrow then. I wonder if Scum will try to kill him tonight then. I also wonder if they will go back to Muffin tomorrow or not, because they really should.

Nah, they'll leave Fand alive because he thinks scum is on him. NK will be Stuart I'm assuming

 

[CrimsonFist]

Spoiler

Masons, a one shot cop and a lynch immune seems like a lot of ways to confirm town in a very small game

 

[empressdonna]

I wonder if stu will get killed after that at the end. Scum might keep him alive to use it against him.

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

Masons, a one shot cop and a lynch immune seems like a lot of ways to confirm town in a very small game

That's why roles like the janitor shot were so important. The RB was also buffed up version - it could Roleblock almost any town role, even some of the passive ones like Donna's role.

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

Masons, a one shot cop and a lynch immune seems like a lot of ways to confirm town in a very small game

That said,

Spoiler

I was most concerned of Masons in the months between the review ending and the game running, but I wasn't going to edit the design after the review had been approved.

 

[Fanto]

Nah, they'll leave Fand alive because he thinks scum is on him. NK will be Stuart I'm assuming

So do you not think Muffin is Scum anymore? I get the feeling you have the spoilers for everything now.

 

[empressdonna]

That said,

Spoiler

I was most concerned of Masons in the months between the review ending and the game running, but I wasn't going to edit the design after the review had been approved.

Spoiler

why? I mean the role PM said you do not know the alignment of the other player (which is odd because I've seen mason role pms that don't say that)

 

[empressdonna]

Also if anyone wants to know my mason buddy, ask and I will spoiler tag it lol.

 

[Fanto]

I'll just take all the spoilers anyone has for me at this point lol. Game is close to the end and I don't think I have any more solving left in me for it.

 

[empressdonna]

I'll just take all the spoilers anyone has for me at this point lol. Game is close to the end and I don't think I have any more solving left in me for it.

Okay then :D

Spoiler: Mason Buddy Spoilers

gryvan

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

why? I mean the role PM said you do not know the alignment of the other player (which is odd because I've seen mason role pms that don't say that)

That addition was made to make claiming more difficult. But the possibility was still there.

 

[Faddy]

So from what people have posted Fandorin is a governor?

It seems kind of OP to allow that role to self target. Like isn't the point of the role to judge whether you are stopping a mislynch where as being able to self target assures a mislynch is stopped. Takes all the guess work out of it.

I hope mafia actually had some good fake claims to make because these town claims are pretty indisputable as far as provable utility goes. We have seen a 1 shot cop, 1 shot double voter, governor, Bullet Proof all as verifiable town PRs. Mafia can't really cash in on the bomb without verifiying Zeke as well. Plus greenchecked Coolest.

So it seems like mafia are just among the unclaimed. Natiko, gryvan, Muffin, Brazil. Town have 3 lynches left to get two mafia.

 

[The Bear]

So from what people have posted Fandorin is a governor?

It seems kind of OP to allow that role to self target. Like isn't the point of the role to judge whether you are stopping a mislynch where as being able to self target assures a mislynch is stopped. Takes all the guess work out of it.

I hope mafia actually had some good fake claims to make because these town claims are pretty indisputable as far as provable utility goes. We have seen a 1 shot cop, 1 shot double voter, governor, Bullet Proof all as verifiable town PRs. Mafia can't really cash in on the bomb without verifiying Zeke as well. Plus greenchecked Coolest.

So it seems like mafia are just among the unclaimed. Natiko, gryvan, Muffin, Brazil. Town have 3 lynches left to get two mafia.

It's not self-targeting per say. You can only use the shot to stop the lynch in general, it doesn't matter who the target of the lynch is. If Muffin was lynched at the EOD like it almost happened, the governor power would have stopped that too. Once you use the command, you can't take it back.

 

[Faddy]

It's not self-targeting per say. You can only use the shot to stop the lynch in general, it doesn't matter who the target of the lynch is. If Muffin was lynched at the EOD like it almost happened, the governor power would have stopped that too. Once you use the command, you can't take it back.

Oh so it wasn't a twilight power? Still, it isn't that hard to get a day power off when the lynch is clear. Even in that situation I wouldn't have allowed it to be self preserving.

When did Fandorin send the command?

 

[The Bear]

Oh so it wasn't a twilight power? Still, it isn't that hard to get a day power off when the lynch is clear. Even in that situation I wouldn't have allowed it to be self preserving.

When did Fandorin send the command?

This version of governor needs to use shot before day phase ends, no twilight time etc.

Fandorin sent the command when he was close to being turbod, but before vote swinged back to Muffin.

And yeah, in retrospect should have modified role to "can't stop your own lynch".

 

[Fanto]

Huh. I'm assuming this basically clears Fandorin for tomorrow then. I wonder if Scum will try to kill him tonight then.

Nah, they'll leave Fand alive because he thinks scum is on him. NK will be Stuart I'm assuming

Uh huh.

 

[Fanto]

@Grizzly do you think you could put the Scum team in a spoiler tag for me?

 

[The Bear]

@Grizzly do you think you could put the Scum team in a spoiler tag for me?

Spoiler

Muffin & Brazil

 

[Fanto]

Final reads: I think Muffin and either Brazil/Natiko are scum.

 

[Fanto]

Thank you.

 

[Fandorin]

Huh, didn’t expect to get killed right away. Thought scum would give me another day.

This was a bad game to me, couldn’t keep up at all with the thread and my reads were pretty by the book. Let’s see how town does it now.

 

[empressdonna]

I was honestly expecting you to survive too.

Just got to hope town don't town.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum Team Spoilers

Stuart seems pretty confident in Muffin and Brazil now, and he is 100% right. I think the rest of the Town just needs to work their reads out with him and they'll get the right targets here for the win.

 

[empressdonna]

Spoiler: scum team spoilers

I think stu just can't see nat/muffin due to their interactions. Seems like right now he is trying to push muffin's buttons

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum Team Spoilers

Brazil and Muffin are both going after Stu lol. I feel like that should be rather transparent, but I don't want to act like I would be able to pick up on that right away if I didn't know for sure they were both Scum.

 

[empressdonna]

Spoiler: scum team spoilers

Actually thinking about it, one of brazil's posts earlier might have been a hint they'd try throw stu under the bus by him saying he always scum reads stu. Unless it was true then haha it just looks bad

 

[empressdonna]

This is entertaining! ^-^

 

[The Bear]

Stuart is going in hard

 

[Fanto]

I love this so much, Stuart is my spirit animal.

 

[empressdonna]

I love this so much, Stuart is my spirit animal.

I got a laugh out of this ^_^.

And yeah he is going really hard. I'd love to be a fly on the scum chat wall because they are probably regretting keeping him alive.

 

[empressdonna]

Spoiler: Mason buddy ramble!

;_; mason buddy! don't believe his liiiies.

 

[Faddy]

Huh, didn’t expect to get killed right away. Thought scum would give me another day.

This was a bad game to me, couldn’t keep up at all with the thread and my reads were pretty by the book. Let’s see how town does it now.

Yeah. Tough game for you. I was hard reading your lack of solving and pushing as scummy. When you posted the read list with only 3 scum leans I thought there is no way you could really believe that. You got finalbeta on day 1 so points for that.

It all worked out in the end though. Scum left you alive too long, town got paranoid, you successfully used your power and stopped a mislynch.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum Team Spoilers

I really thought Stu pointing out that only Muffin and Brazil are on him would sway others to that world. I feel like they should be on gryvan and Natiko instead if they want to win, ain't nobody buying Stu as Scum over others in this game at this point. It would be like if Nicole and ET both went after me or GP in GoT in the last couple days. Why push together on someone almost everyone thinks is Town?

 

[Faddy]

Spoiler: Mason buddy ramble!

;_; mason buddy! don't believe his liiiies.

Spoiler

I fear for gryvan. He is going to claim and no one will believe him. I wouldn't

 

[empressdonna]

Spoiler

I fear for gryvan. He is going to claim and no one will believe him. I wouldn't

Spoiler: Mason Buddy Spoilers

I honestly think one of the two scumteam are going to say they are the mason partner >.< and urgh... that is going to come back and bite me for not breadcrumbing it.

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler: Mason Buddy Spoilers

I honestly think one of the two scumteam are going to say they are the mason partner >.< and urgh... that is going to come back and bite me for not breadcrumbing it.

How is that going to work?

 

[empressdonna]

How is that going to work?

Spoiler: mason buddy stuff

without my flip, no one knows who the other mason is. If gry doesn't get believed, that buys scum another day :(

 

[Faddy]

Spoiler: Scum Team Spoilers

I really thought Stu pointing out that only Muffin and Brazil are on him would sway others to that world. I feel like they should be on gryvan and Natiko instead if they want to win, ain't nobody buying Stu as Scum over others in this game at this point. It would be like if Nicole and ET both went after me or GP in GoT in the last couple days. Why push together on someone almost everyone thinks is Town?

Spoiler

They are just in a really bad position from claims. Pushing into the opposite world, the logical move, also means the players in that world Natiko and gryvan would go against them. Sometimes feigning ignorance is the best way. Stuart really has this down. He knows Brazil and Muffin can't name a world where the partner isn't in it.

Brazil should have come out hard against Muffin today then hope to mislynch Natiko tomorrow and beat gryvan in a final 3. That is super risky though so I can see why he didn't do it.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: mason buddy stuff

without my flip, no one knows who the other mason is. If gry doesn't get believed, that buys scum another day :(

Spoiler

Yeah, I think gry needs to claim ASAP. Dont let Scum get to it first.

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

Gryvan is having a meltdown in mason chat.

 

[empressdonna]

;-; I wish I still had access to it.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Spoiler

I think Gryvan should have claimed immediately after the lack of flip, but I don't think town will automatically reject the possibility that it's real.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Spoiler

There's no way scum would have been given half a mason couple as a fake claim after all

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

There's no way scum would have been given half a mason couple as a fake claim after all

The janitor's power in this game has the modified feature that scum chat receives the cleaned PM to their chat. So they kind of did.

 

[empressdonna]

Stu is probably dead tonight, isn't he?

 

[The Bear]

Stu is probably dead tonight, isn't he?

He or Coolest I assume.

 

[CrimsonFist]

The janitor's power in this game has the modified feature that scum chat receives the cleaned PM to their chat. So they kind of did.

Oh, that changes a lot.

Spoiler

Still creates a thunderdome if scum goes for the fake claim that would result in scum being lynched today or tomorrow, unless Gryvan dies before he can claim his partner, then town would be in trouble

 

[The Bear]

Oh, that changes a lot.

Spoiler

Still creates a thunderdome if scum goes for the fake claim that would result in scum being lynched today or tomorrow, unless Gryvan dies before he can claim his partner, then town would be in trouble

The role PM has a specific quirk that can make this even more interesting. Donna knows what I mean.

 

[empressdonna]

Oh god haha...

 

[CrimsonFist]

The role PM has a specific quirk that can make this even more interesting. Donna knows what I mean.

Spoiler

The part about not knowing your partners alignment?

 

[The Bear]

Spoiler

The part about not knowing your partners alignment?

Yeah

 

[empressdonna]

I'm loving this.

 

[Fanto]

Seriously though, I love Stuart, and I am going to give him a virtual hug after this game or if he dies and comes in here because he is so good. I hope I get to play with him in the future some time.

 

[Faddy]

Yeah

Did they have a chat? Because if not then that is a bit of a non role.

Here is a PM that confirms a person is in the game.

 

[empressdonna]

Seriously though, I love Stuart, and I am going to give him a virtual hug after this game or if he dies and comes in here because he is so good. I hope I get to play with him in the future some time.

^-^ he fumbles sometimes but when he finds something major to focus on... well you're seeing that in action now lol

 

[empressdonna]

Did they have a chat? Because if not then that is a bit of a non role.

Here is a PM that confirms a person is in the game.

Spoiler: MAson stuff

Yes we had a chat. Gry also came to the conclusion that we were both town. More or less that if it was a 3 person mason chat, he'd assume one might be scum but with a two person chat, it's seem odd to have one mason be scum in a game of this size. This was said early on D1

 

[Fanto]

@Grizzly could you spoiler tag which Scum has which role too?

 

[The Bear]

@Grizzly could you spoiler tag which Scum has which role too?

Spoiler

Muffin is 1-shot janitor, Brazil is the bomb.

 

[empressdonna]

what is going on in scum chat anyway?

 

[The Bear]

what is going on in scum chat anyway?

It's been pretty quiet all game.

 

[CrimsonFist]

lol, every role madness game has to have a vanilla

 

[Fanto]

Yeah that is the best claim lol.

 

[Faddy]

gryvan about to claim. Asking about scum cop because really it is the only way the Donna kill makes sense in the game. Let's see how this goes.

 

[SweetNicole]

1. town gonna town
2. scum should have killed stuart exactly for today lol
3. I really really hate how zeke has played this game from the lynching to the terrible logic to his "everyone I am scum reading is the bomb" shit

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum Team

Zeke, my dude, please stop going after Stu. None of this is #interesting. Look at who you are agreeing with here, fucking Muffin, who you scum read!

Otherwise, Nat is doubting those claims, so that is progress towards him believing the Muffin/Brazil world I think.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum Team

I'm right though and you know I'm right you liar.

Seriously, I love Stuart lmfao. GET HIM!!!

 

[empressdonna]

I think this is the hardest I've seen stu go after anyone.

 

[Faddy]

I think this is the hardest I've seen stu go after anyone.

Sometimes you just know.

Gotta go for the throat.

 

[empressdonna]

I regret not breadcrumbing :(

Hopefully Brazil gets lynched today. If Natiko doesn't change his mind, gry will probably vote Brazil due to this push I hope.

 

[SweetNicole]

the ABCs of mafia

always
bread
crumb

 

[SweetNicole]

also I owe Stu an apology because damn he's playing lights out right now

 

[SweetNicole]

Coolest don't do to this me, not after I wasted time confirming you ;-;