Game Thread Grand Mini Mafia V - Game Thread

If we excluded Claude or Roman, and hit a townie...would we then go after the other? If we didn't, surely the mafia would have to then use a turn on the other, because they couldn't risk leaving him. So next day we could try and focus down another mafia scum? And if they left SK and hit a townie, and SK hit them...they would be boned. If the SK also hit a townie though...well, it's lights for us.
Essentially. If we hit a townie, SK HAS to hit a scum. If they hit a town we and them would lose. Alternatively if we hit the SK then mafia ends up hitting us and we're at 3 and 2. But if we hit mafia then SK has to hit a town to keep it going.
 
And we'd be at 3, 1, and 1 if the math is right. That would inevitably lead to a 3 way standoff, either between SK and two town, SK, Town, and Mafia, Or Mafia and two Town.

I think that's how that works
 
Roman V Claude SK idea is true. We mislynch the SK. Mafia thus knows the SK (these assumptions are important for this to work).

1-1-2 is actually a mafia win though. No lynch, mafia know the SK, SK shot does not matter because 1-0-1 is a mafia win.
2-0-2 is a mafia win.
2-1-1 is... no lynch. SK win / Mafia win / SK win / Town win / Town kingmaker for SK or Mafia.
3-0-1 is still a game.

2-1-2 EVERYONE knows the SK. SK / Town lynch is a Mafia win. Mafia lynch makes it the 2-1-1 above.

...

HMMMMMMMM. We need to kill the SK btw. Really. They might be BP. And I hate how this increases the layers of thought again.

Win for the faction acting in question, % shows the amount of favorable cases, not the likelihood of those cases:

Mafia shoots town: win / 30% win / 75% win
Mafia shots SK: win / continues

SK shoots town: loss / loss / 15% win
SK shoots mafia: 50% win / loss

Mafia shooting town leads only for a win if SK acts against their own benefit. That should make Mafia shoot SK. But if they are BP ARGH where does this go then?
 
I wouldn't really want to bank on mafia hitting the right person in going after the SK and SK being without BP.
 
I wouldn't really want to bank on mafia hitting the right person in going after the SK and SK being without BP.

Roman V Claude. One of you is lying and is the SK. That is one of the premises of my argument. Remove the premise and the argument is trash, obviously.
 
If SK is not BP the scenario (remember the premises) I'm running with should become 3-0-1, what is just fine. Winnable.

BP SK makes it 3-1-1.

Town lynch makes it the now-familiar 2-1-1 what is not great at all for town. This should not happen though.
SK lynch, what we could guarantee thanks to the premise, makes it a 2-0-1 or winnable in other words.
Mafia lynch is a straight town win thanks to the premise.
 
Roman V Claude. One of you is lying and is the SK. That is one of the premises of my argument. Remove the premise and the argument is trash, obviously.
Well that one of us is lying is confirmed fact.

I guess the problem is whether one of us two is actually the SK and not mafia.
 
Regardless of all the math, this is a game of humans and they don't always think like the perfect machine I am. Going with the play that my idea suggests does not guarantee anything, maybe I made a logical error and those favored by the error are keeping their mouths shut. Perhaps the idea is just fine but people choose go against what the idea suggests they do.

I like it though, but I have to think about Claude's point about the SK being one of the Vanilla claims.
 
Well that one of us is lying is confirmed fact.

I guess the problem is whether one of us two is actually the SK and not mafia.

I call slip. I name two when you've been an ardent defender of the four-person theory. In addition you've been adamant about not treating me and Trevor as confirmed.
 
Sorry that was meant for Catalina/Trevor. Lot of posts suddenly. I agree the possible BP Sk makes everything more difficult, but I personally would pick investigation immune, fwiw. Lynching is always a bigger thread than NK for a neutral, IMO. Do others not agree with that?
 
The argument for BP is that shots are guaranteed (Mafia) but Cops are not. In addition, mafia shots have less targets (since Mafia won't shoot each other) while Cop shots target everyone but the Cop.
 
lol, guess i'm more all or nothing. Losing the BP means you're probably hosed shortly after anyway. I'd rather just be done and gone so I can get back to other stuff. Getting a green check from a cop is such a huge advantage.
 
But if a cop never checks you, what does the investigation immunity do? What if the cop is 1-shot and uses his shot on someone else?

In general in general in general both have their uses what is good.
 
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Where's @Huang btw? You're kinda skating a bit in general, and today specifically. 13 fewer posts than Roman who missed an entire day.

This is not going to be easy.
 
I call slip. I name two when you've been an ardent defender of the four-person theory. In addition you've been adamant about not treating me and Trevor as confirmed.
What about that is a slip? The only ones who could be SK or mafia are me and Roman, since one is lying. Only us two. You and Trevor are claimed masons, so at worst you're mafia, being SK is impossible.
 
Side note I just noticed: If we lynch one between Roman and me, and they turn out mafia rather than SK (which is less likely for me with my claimed shot) the SK would be still in play sadly but on the flipside, that would 100% confirm our masons since only one scum could be left.
 
Can we assume that scum wouldn't dare to claim a PR instead of a vanilla (concerning whether there could be a scum in Roman V Claude)?

In general Vanilla is the safest claim as it is hard to counter.

We are 1T. Scum would've known that the seed was 2T-0T from the start. The additional kill on N1 suggests a SK (1T) or nV (any). D2 end gives them CC what doesn't do that much without deeper mathematical analysis. D3 reveals CCD and keeps VV on table with SK.

If scum assume 1T, there would be three additional PR rolls when the mass claim was called (letter rolls, not persons with PRs). There are various roll combinations that offer two or three additional power roles. Scum could claim to compete with those claims.

If they assume CCDVV = 2T, no additional PR rolls. Scum wouldn't claim a PR.

I guess the question is: does Roman claim 1-shot doc at claim position 5 if he is scum? We needn't be concerned about Claude because there is no way he claims there without full knowledge of the seed if he is mafia and at that point there was no such knowledge available. Claude claimed a PR and I softed one while Trevor could've been whatever. It seems extremely risky to me. Reckless even. The situation was simply too unpredictable for anything but a vanilla claim.
 
Where's @Huang btw? You're kinda skating a bit in general, and today specifically. 13 fewer posts than Roman who missed an entire day.

This is not going to be easy.
Yeah...I've had a townie read on Huang, but him not posting at all today makes me sweat.

This is obviously disingenuous, if you've being paying any attention to this game you'd know that if the masons are legit the other two Vanilla claims are BS

This 'ooh maybe he's not around right now' is pretty blatant and you're just trying to set up my ME by pointing at any possible weakness.

Side note I just noticed: If we lynch one between Roman and me, and they turn out mafia rather than SK (which is less likely for me with my claimed shot) the SK would be still in play sadly but on the flipside, that would 100% confirm our masons since only one scum could be left.
This is a good point, but at that point it doesn't really matter, as SK would hit scum and scum would hit town leading to a no-win 2-1-1 scenario, we can't afford to ME today we need to excluse SK.

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Current thoughts:
Roman is SK, if Cloud was SK he wouldn't of killed last night and would have succesfully hid behind his vigi claim

Masons are legit, scum wouldn't come up with a gambit which requires decent understanding of this set up on day 1.

Therefore Tommy and Franklin are scum buddies.
 
What about that is a slip? The only ones who could be SK or mafia are me and Roman, since one is lying. Only us two. You and Trevor are claimed masons, so at worst you're mafia, being SK is impossible.

Well that is not a slip then aww. I was referring to your previous posts where you entertain the possibility of me and Trevor lying. But those were about us being town / mafia while you were talking about you two being town / mafia / SK. A difference in scope and I mixed it up.
 
Huang, you really are an outlier here. Going that much against the general feeling about us masons just makes me want to jump into your pocket. Grr.
 
Huang, you really are an outlier here. Going that much against the general feeling about us masons just makes me want to jump into your pocket. Grr.
There's not much consensus as soon as you realize that Cloud's been tunneling into you for the last 2 days and everyone else is evil.

Just a heads up I'm about to go to the cinema, so inactivity will resume for a couple hours
 
Huang, you really are an outlier here. Going that much against the general feeling about us masons just makes me want to jump into your pocket. Grr.
I agree. The defensiveness at people merely stating, "Where is Huang?" is suspicious by itself. Lots of people have been questioning all sorts of folks here. Nothing disingenuous about any of it.
 
Ugh...but re-reading Huang posts and considering everything, I still think he is a townie. That is one thing I haven't shifted on this whole game, so if Huang ends up being scum, I'm going to punch myself in the face.
 
It's not just that one stance Huang, it is everything about you. It's the way you've been on the background for the whole game. D1 you were present for the 1st half of the day. On the one half you were present on, you behaved in a manner that made me believe that you were a certain person behind your costume. It turned out that the person I thought of was my partner instead and he too was rather bothered by that act. Your D2 scum list consists of a townie, townie and a person you believe is a townie. Your townies on the same list are people who are still alive. And now you take a stance that you've suddenly solved the game and appear overtly defensive when questioned about your lackluster efforts.

You are the perfect eventual mislynch and you haven't done much to change that I feel.
 
Is there someone who disagrees with the idea that we settle Roman V Claude today?
Ugh....No. I don't disagree....I'm going to 7:20 CST movie tonight, so if we don't settle this before then, I'll be away for a while and will vote after if the group is settled on someone.
 
I truly expected this day would be everyone coming for me because of day 1 scum read, and me having to throw myself under the bus to get it out of the way so townies weren't distracted by me in our final hours. Though death might be more satisfying, because the stress of this is killing me. I don't know how you all play this more than once a year without losing all your hair.
 
This is obviously disingenuous, if you've being paying any attention to this game you'd know that if the masons are legit the other two Vanilla claims are BS

This 'ooh maybe he's not around right now' is pretty blatant and you're just trying to set up my ME by pointing at any possible weakness.


This is a good point, but at that point it doesn't really matter, as SK would hit scum and scum would hit town leading to a no-win 2-1-1 scenario, we can't afford to ME today we need to excluse SK.

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Current thoughts:
Roman is SK, if Cloud was SK he wouldn't of killed last night and would have succesfully hid behind his vigi claim

Masons are legit, scum wouldn't come up with a gambit which requires decent understanding of this set up on day 1.

Therefore Tommy and Franklin are scum buddies.

You’re super defensive considering I just wanted you to post more since you haven’t been around much since all the claims. As for covering for Claude, can a SK even skip their kill? Aside from that, would it really benefit SK much to skip kills? That just extends the game when they want it over ASAP. Finally, what’s your theory for the missing N1 kill in your version?

I’ll be out a lot of this evening as well. Division 2!
 
It's not just that one stance Huang, it is everything about you. It's the way you've been on the background for the whole game. D1 you were present for the 1st half of the day. On the one half you were present on, you behaved in a manner that made me believe that you were a certain person behind your costume. It turned out that the person I thought of was my partner instead and he too was rather bothered by that act. Your D2 scum list consists of a townie, townie and a person you believe is a townie. Your townies on the same list are people who are still alive. And now you take a stance that you've suddenly solved the game and appear overtly defensive when questioned about your lackluster efforts.

You are the perfect eventual mislynch and you haven't done much to change that I feel.
I need to take a stance because I've realized what everyone else here seems to not have, in order for town to win, we need to exclude the SK today in which case it will become 3-2 next day, in which once again we're in lylo, catch scum and it's 2-1, lylo again, I've realized town can't afford to ME me anymore, so I desperately need to step up my game, mostly because I've royally messed up my reads. Using your own words I can't risk being a 'perfect eventual mislynch' anymore.

Do I think I've solved the game? Not really but there's no way of knowing if I'm right and if I'm wrong town has already lost the game, I can't afford not to have a clear stance. The fact that you're even having this kind of conversation though is making me believe myself to be right, a scum you gains nothing from this and puts you in danger of an OMGUS.
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Also me pretending to be that person was meant to be a bit of fun, same as Niko doing his posting style, if it made him uncomfertable I apologise unreservedly, I hadn't thought that as a possibility, I'll make sure not to do it again.

(Captain Marvel was pretty good by the way)
 
You’re super defensive considering I just wanted you to post more since you haven’t been around much since all the claims. As for covering for Claude, can a SK even skip their kill? Aside from that, would it really benefit SK much to skip kills? That just extends the game when they want it over ASAP. Finally, what’s your theory for the missing N1 kill in your version?

I’ll be out a lot of this evening as well. Division 2!

I'll answer this piece by piece:
A) "You’re super defensive considering I just wanted you to post more since you haven’t been around much since all the claims"
I believe that Trevor and Catalina are Masons and thus that makes the other two people who claimed vanilla evil, making the assumption that I'm right I can work out that you don't 'just want' anything, you're making plays to help your win condition, so I imagine defense is fine in that scenario.

B) "As for covering for Cloud"
It makes no sense for me to be covering for Cloud given that if they're evil, they're the SK. No one wants the SK alive. So it's slightly more likely that I believe Roman to be the culprit and so am aiming for him, rather than your theory.

C)"Can an SK skip a kill"
I just checked C9++ on the wiki and it says that they 'may target another player' so the answer is yes they can.

D)"Would it really benefit SK to skip kills?"
This is the very definition of WIFOM, it would keep town unaware of an SK but would make the game take longer putting them more at risk of being excluded.

E)"What's your theory for the missing N1 kill in your theory?"
I don't know as there are many possibilities, in fact, only this day phase did I go through them, if you think I haven't been posting much I'm kind of surprised that you can't even remember what I post. I'm interested though, what's your theory?
 
Sorry if iv been a bit absent, yesterdays events made me not really care for playing, and today i was just distracted by other things.

That said i dont really know if i would have had anything more to contribute considering today is likely to thunderdome and my choice is pretty obvious, and all other speculation seems to only be derived from the game systems which i really cant really comment on.
 
Roman
Claude
Huang

Claude

Roman
Franklin

I need Tommy to pick a side and I'd really love to hear what Trevor thinks of the mess.
 
Roman
Claude
Huang

Claude

Roman
Franklin

I need Tommy to pick a side and I'd really love to hear what Trevor thinks of the mess.
This is giving Franklin a pass given that his only reason for picking Cloud over Roman was based on a falsehood
You see the problem though, right? Your claim is only possible if the masons are lying, regardless of anyone else. Roman's claim is possible based on what we currently know. DDCCMMV and a SK is impossible. DDCCMMT and a SK is not. If Roman is lying, that still means DCCMMTT, which is also impossible with a SK. You're either both liars, or you're a liar by yourself. If you actually flip 1xvig, than we know the masons are lying, and we also have a SK, which is terrible position for town as well, but that seems really unlikely.

Vote: Claude
We can't let him be put on a side without making him explain his reasoning.
 
Moving slowly towards day end y'all. People who haven't decided between me and Roman should soon do and explain their thoughts, especially the ones who have been relatively quiet today.
 
I'm leaning Claude (to avoid a hammer I can wait until the last minute with the vote).
So there's somebody lying between me, Catalina and Trevor, and Roman. Correct?

This could still be a gambit of two scum pretending to be masons and breadcrumbing just in case they want to go forward with the claim, but what makes this more unlikely to me is that this breadcrumb is from D1 when Ken was still alive and defending each other is a risk in case one of you two gets lynched if you were scum.

On the other hand claiming 1-shot doctor like Roman did is a way safer and likely gambit.
With these you aren't directly throwing people under the bus, but you're definitely prepping that bus to run someone over. Everything is left open in a sort of "i
No, we can confirm CCD. Your mason claim is as unconfirmed as my vig claim is.

I think Roman is the more likely culprit here right now, but I do not like you framing things like that. Just a note.

So all in all, I want to lynch Roman today and the day after we can talk out how likely a mason gambit is, or who among the other vanilla townies might be lying and is actually scum. In case I choose to believe both of you are masons, that will mean I'm at least wrong on one or maybe even two of my town reads.
I could believe The Masons being a gambit, its a big one but everyone was just going on and on about how close the game might be to ending, i could see this as as a push to try and really get things over the edge for them.

And catalinas totally unnecessary Ass-ery to Claud and mr "Confirmed Town" above sure dont help.
While you went in waaaay more on Catalina, his felt like he was playing with the idea of pushing this. It makes me wary
 
Weird that 2nd part got cut off. it should've said Everything is left open in a sort of "I COULD be the bad guy"
 
Just going to re-iterate my stance if Catalina and Trevor are masons, I only have to pick a single person I believe is a Townie from the remaining list of Claude/Roman/Franklin/Huang, and then everyone else I'm left with is scum. I still believe Huang is townie, which means Claude/Roman/Franklin are Mafia/SK mix. In that case, if we are wanting to eliminate SK first, I would go with Claude. It wasn't much of one, but Claude got into a tiff with Ken towards end of Day 1 that was enough for me to see them as not on the same side as one another, and Roman came in with a Ken vote late enough that he could've been placing it knowing Ken was safe either way.
 
Roman you never replied to my request for reciepts on breadcrumbs so I'm assuming you don't have any.

Could you explain your logic for not dropping any, especially given a 1-shot doctor is one of the hardest claims to prove.
 
There was more to that that got cut off. I'm just gonna copy what I said and fix it in a new post


I'm leaning Claude (to avoid a hammer I can wait until the last minute with the vote).
So there's somebody lying between me, Catalina and Trevor, and Roman. Correct?

This could still be a gambit of two scum pretending to be masons and breadcrumbing just in case they want to go forward with the claim, but what makes this more unlikely to me is that this breadcrumb is from D1 when Ken was still alive and defending each other is a risk in case one of you two gets lynched if you were scum.

On the other hand claiming 1-shot doctor like Roman did is a way safer and likely gambit.
No, we can confirm CCD. Your mason claim is as unconfirmed as my vig claim is.

I think Roman is the more likely culprit here right now, but I do not like you framing things like that. Just a note.
With these you aren't directly throwing people under the bus, but you're definitely prepping that bus to run someone over. Everything is left open in a sort of "I COULD be the bad guy"

So all in all, I want to lynch Roman today and the day after we can talk out how likely a mason gambit is, or who among the other vanilla townies might be lying and is actually scum. In case I choose to believe both of you are masons, that will mean I'm at least wrong on one or maybe even two of my town reads.
Was suspicious too because the game could very well be over by that point and the cynic in me would tell me that this is a plan to stay alive for one more night so you could get an extra night kill

But while I'm suspicious of the content of your posts I'm also suspicious of Roman's playstyle
I could believe The Masons being a gambit, its a big one but everyone was just going on and on about how close the game might be to ending, i could see this as as a push to try and really get things over the edge for them.

And catalinas totally unnecessary Ass-ery to Claud and mr "Confirmed Town" above sure dont help.

While you went in waaaay more on Catalina, his felt like he was playing with the idea of pushing this. It makes me wary
 
Just going to re-iterate my stance if Catalina and Trevor are masons, I only have to pick a single person I believe is a Townie from the remaining list of Claude/Roman/Franklin/Huang, and then everyone else I'm left with is scum. I still believe Huang is townie, which means Claude/Roman/Franklin are Mafia/SK mix. In that case, if we are wanting to eliminate SK first, I would go with Claude. It wasn't much of one, but Claude got into a tiff with Ken towards end of Day 1 that was enough for me to see them as not on the same side as one another, and Roman came in with a Ken vote late enough that he could've been placing it knowing Ken was safe either way.

Your belief does not match with the seed, right? At all. We need 1T for the SK so either Roman or Claude is telling the truth here.
 
Your belief does not match with the seed, right? At all. We need 1T for the SK so either Roman or Claude is telling the truth here.
I think it matches, but that is with me considering myself as townie. We know we have 2 more mafia out there, and 1 SK. My pool I'm left with in grey below is 4. So, I only have to pick one out of those remaining 4 that I believe to be the last townie. This only works if you assume I am a townie, but if you do, then you can do the same. Look at my list of grey ???? at bottom of list, pick your townie, and the remaining 3 are Mafia/Scum.


Michael - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
Niko - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
Lance - Vanilla Townie (Confirmed)
TommyV - Vanilla Townie
Carl - Cop (Confirmed)
Asuka - Doctor (Confirmed)
Trevor - Mason
Catalina - Mason

Ken - Mafia Roleblocker (Confirmed)

????
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Roman - Doctor
Franklin - Vanilla Townie
Huang - Vanilla Townie
 
Trevor, what you're writing about me "prepping" busses or something is me scumhunting. You know, something Roman refuses to do. There's still scum to catch later and I wrote my thoughts on everybody down in case I get lynched. Cause I can still win if town benefits from my posts.
 
I think it matches, but that is with me considering myself as townie. We know we have 2 more mafia out there, and 1 SK. My pool I'm left with in grey below is 4. So, I only have to pick one out of those remaining 4 that I believe to be the last townie. This only works if you assume I am a townie, but if you do, then you can do the same. Look at my list of grey ???? at bottom of list, pick your townie, and the remaining 3 are Mafia/Scum.

????
Claude - 1-shot Vigilante
Roman - Doctor
Franklin - Vanilla Townie
Huang - Vanilla Townie

So it does not match. MMCCD??, the SK becomes necessary thanks to the claims what makes this 1T. One of Claude or Roman must be town because they have claimed PRs. Your idea here is a MMCCDTT as you and Huang have claimed vanillas. 2T does not have a SK.
 
So it does not match. MMCCD??, the SK becomes necessary thanks to the claims what makes this 1T. One of Claude or Roman must be town because they have claimed PRs. Your idea here is a MMCCDTT as you and Huang have claimed vanillas. 2T does not have a SK.
Why do you have 2 Cs? Isn't C for Cop, which we only have 1 of? And is there a limit to power roles?
 
Tommy, OP, link about C9++, read it.

Your everything is so wrong.
I've been reading it like crazy last 2 days which makes it more frustrating I'm not getting it. Sorry to be a pain...

Ugh. I see what you're referencing now. These abbreviations are silly. Should just call them by name! OKay. Re-analyzing.
 
Roman you never replied to my request for reciepts on breadcrumbs so I'm assuming you don't have any.

Could you explain your logic for not dropping any, especially given a 1-shot doctor is one of the hardest claims to prove.
Sorry i guess i completely missed your earlier request, but yeah no breadcrumbs.
I didnt really think to leave any, and probably wouldnt have even if it had occoured to me because as i said i was trying to survive at the time to make good use of the shot, and i really didnt anticipate this game becoming so focused on a mass claim and solving everything through the game setup.
I honestly cant think of any time breadcrumbing as a doctor was nessesary in any past game.
 
While you went in waaaay more on Catalina, his felt like he was playing with the idea of pushing this. It makes me wary
Its not "like" i was thinking of this, i explicitly was and still am.
I think you both are still far from confirmed and the behaviour from you both as you both as you claimed still doesnt sit well with me.
Nothing on this has changed i just havnt been harping on it because its clear that today will be between me and Claude.
 
My guess on the scum is Huang and Franklin. If Tommy is scum, gj on the act, it is really beautiful and I wouldn't mind losing to it.
 
Its not "like" i was thinking of this, i explicitly was and still am.
I think you both are still far from confirmed and the behavior from you both as you both as you claimed still doesn't sit well with me.
Nothing on this has changed i just havnt been harping on it because its clear that today will be between me and Claude.
I've suggested the crazy idea of going after Catalina/Trevor, so feel free to harp. But it is more of a crazy gamble, and that of all the ways to lose, the only way I don't want to lose is if Catalina/Trevor are pulling a fast one on us.

My guess on the scum is Huang and Franklin. If Tommy is scum, gj on the act, it is really beautiful and I wouldn't mind losing to it.
I'm thinking same with you. If you and Trevor are scum, I'm going around my house to every single hat and tipping them all to you.

I'm 'bout ready to throw my vote in and say let's party. Anyone else feeling it?

VOTE: Claude
 
Its not "like" i was thinking of this, i explicitly was and still am.
I think you both are still far from confirmed and the behaviour from you both as you both as you claimed still doesnt sit well with me.
Nothing on this has changed i just havnt been harping on it because its clear that today will be between me and Claude.

What exactly bothers you about the claims? The confirmed townie joke / annoyance? Me pushing for the claims?
 
Gotta love how in this community between the guy who tries to do scumhunting and the one who skates through the day the more suspicious one is the former. Especially with me actually claiming something observable, killing Ken, unlike a supposed doctor shot.
 
Sorry i guess i completely missed your earlier request, but yeah no breadcrumbs.
I didnt really think to leave any, and probably wouldnt have even if it had occoured to me because as i said i was trying to survive at the time to make good use of the shot, and i really didnt anticipate this game becoming so focused on a mass claim and solving everything through the game setup.
I honestly cant think of any time breadcrumbing as a doctor was nessesary in any past game.
If you're a one-shot doc you'd be aware of the existance of a doctor from day one so I don't think hiding your existance to that extent benefits town.

If you're town then it sucks that you rolled the hardest role to prove, but I'm not buying it, good luck on the flip side pal.

My guess on the scum is Huang and Franklin. If Tommy is scum, gj on the act, it is really beautiful and I wouldn't mind losing to it.
This is a bit soul crushing to be honest, I agree though, I feel that Tommy is actually a new player but he certainly played it up for stellar effect, I didn't scum read him until the very last moment.
 
Gotta love how in this community between the guy who tries to do scumhunting and the one who skates through the day the more suspicious one is the former. Especially with me actually claiming something observable, killing Ken, unlike a supposed doctor shot.

Wasn't it you who argued that SK targeting suspected scum made little sense?
 
Tommy, why the vote? Your whole line of thought was just broken into million pieces. Do. Explain.
I MIGHT be leaving here in about 30 and going some place without signal, and not sure for how long. I will probably be back before time wraps up, but just to be safe, I want my vote out there. I'll be honest---I'm mostly going with the flow because just about everyone has agreed one of those 2 have to be the SK, and I still see Claude's tiff with Ken as legitimate at the end of Day 1 to where I don't see them as scum together with one another.

I haven't had time to re-evaluate my shit now realizing I was focusing on the generator itself way too much without reading the wiki properly for how "CC" equals Cop and not 2 cops...that kind of thing. There is still something iffy about all of this I can't put my finger on.
 
This is a bit soul crushing to be honest, I agree though, I feel that Tommy is actually a new player but he certainly played it up for stellar effect, I didn't scum read him until the very last moment.

Just my current stance. While I really think Tommy's act would be fucking incredible to pull off, every now and then for example just now, I feel he goes a bit to far. I am not 100% on him, but rather sure. I'll say that flips and other events can still change my opinion.
 
What exactly bothers you about the claims? The confirmed townie joke / annoyance? Me pushing for the claims?
You repeatedly yelling that your confirmed town, trevor even made his own gif for it, you both were desperate to pesh the idea that you are confirmed town on a day that is aparently possibly Lylo.
Yeah i find that pretty damn suspicious, im surprised that noone else seems to think so but i guess they are too busy looking at their calculators.

This is the first im hearing about it being a joke and it sure as hell didnt seem like one at the time.
 
You mean Ken? Yes, I don't think the SK would target Ken that night. That was an argument I made to support my initial claim as vig.

Yeah. If you are the vigi, SK did just that, target Ken.

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Have you ever, so far, presented the idea that scum and SK shot Lance?
 
Gotta love how in this community between the guy who tries to do scumhunting and the one who skates through the day the more suspicious one is the former. Especially with me actually claiming something observable, killing Ken, unlike a supposed doctor shot.
Look at the news and maybe lay the fuck off that line of thinking mate. I had my reasons.
 
You repeatedly yelling that your confirmed town, trevor even made his own gif for it, you both were desperate to pesh the idea that you are confirmed town on a day that is aparently possibly Lylo.
Yeah i find that pretty damn suspicious, im surprised that noone else seems to think so but i guess they are too busy looking at their calculators.

This is the first im hearing about it being a joke and it sure as hell didnt seem like one at the time.
Ummm do you still not know who Trevor was and who I was pretending to be
 
You repeatedly yelling that your confirmed town, trevor even made his own gif for it, you both were desperate to pesh the idea that you are confirmed town on a day that is aparently possibly Lylo.
Yeah i find that pretty damn suspicious, im surprised that noone else seems to think so but i guess they are too busy looking at their calculators.

This is the first im hearing about it being a joke and it sure as hell didnt seem like one at the time.

The gif is a meta joke and the whole confirmed town and being really obtuse with it is, well, the joke.

And uuuuugh. Please, have more than just fluff if you wish to appear serious about your suspicions.
 
And the SK also might have just got his BP knocked off and scum assumed it was a doc protecting. All possibilites.
 
Firstly why are you assuming scum were the one who hit Lance, nothing suggests that to be the case

Other possibilities include
A) either party hitting the doctors target (so we should check to see if Asoka bread crumbed who they healed)
B) The SK can choose to be 1-shot BP so scum might have hit them and they survived
C) The SK didn't attack N1, hoping to hide their existence
D) Cloud is the SK and killed Ken (least likely as it would make more sense to not attack N2 if he wanted to hide behind a vig claim)
Reposting this because people seem to have forgotten the mutliple possibilities for how day 1 went down.
 
Has this idea of a doc save been proven? Someone brought up breadcrumbs? I honestly did not even think about this and I think it has really not been discussed even?
No it hasn't, but why do you go right to "the SK did just that, target Ken" if that's just as likely as the other scenarios?
 
If you're a one-shot doc you'd be aware of the existance of a doctor from day one so I don't think hiding your existance to that extent benefits town.

If you're town then it sucks that you rolled the hardest role to prove, but I'm not buying it, good luck on the flip side pal.


This is a bit soul crushing to be honest, I agree though, I feel that Tommy is actually a new player but he certainly played it up for stellar effect, I didn't scum read him until the very last moment.
Yeah thats fair, honestly i think most of this is just me not realise what kind of gamebi was replacing into, i really didnt expect something so centred on roles and mechanic solving, something that om typically terrible at.
 
Look at the news and maybe lay the fuck off that line of thinking mate. I had my reasons.
You have been not really there the entire game. Some of it can be excused with RL reasons, but some things like this:
That said i dont really know if i would have had anything more to contribute considering today is likely to thunderdome and my choice is pretty obvious, and all other speculation seems to only be derived from the game systems which i really cant really comment on.
Clearly show you're not interested in doing any scumhunting.
 
Ummm do you still not know who Trevor was and who I was pretending to be
Uhh, no?
Have i just totally missed something here?
The gif is a meta joke and the whole confirmed town and being really obtuse with it is, well, the joke.

And uuuuugh. Please, have more than just fluff if you wish to appear serious about your suspicions.
Okay yeah i definitely missed something, iv been deliberately trying not to guess peoples identities, i figured that was the whole point of a costume game.

That said behaviour analysis aint fucking fluff. Its like half the bloody game.
 
Other possibilities include
A) either party hitting the doctors target (so we should check to see if Asoka bread crumbed who they healed)
B) The SK can choose to be 1-shot BP so scum might have hit them and they survived
C) The SK didn't attack N1, hoping to hide their existence
D) Cloud is the SK and killed Ken (least likely as it would make more sense to not attack N2 if he wanted to hide behind a vig claim)

In response to C:
I wasn't particularly confident in who i wanted to protect N1, and having just replaced in and made practically no dent in the game i was pretty confident i would survive.
It being a 1shot i really didn't want to just fire blindly, figured at the least i would have a smaller pool to choose from on D2
If you replace "protect" with "viciously murder" ….

In response to D:
Claude had a few posts repeatedly saying he wasn't too happy with a Ken/Tommy vote...enough so that Ken should've been thankful and left it alone. Instead, Ken eventually started a spat with Claude, claiming he was trying to draw attention to Ken/Tommy, at which they had a little back-and-forth. If I were a serial killer, and the guy I just defended a few times started shit with me....I might murder him that night as a "Fuck you."
 
Huh, overall I missed some major thoughts during this all. I was too focused on the seed and math.

No it hasn't, but why do you go right to "the SK did just that, target Ken" if that's just as likely as the other scenarios?

I've been orbiting the mechanics planet bit too little, thinking about the best play, how doomed we are, how to claim, such things. I did not note some things during all that, the SK premise was my premise to thinking about the N1 problem what I started to think about around the time I made that post. And now I need to reason with it.

That said behaviour analysis aint fucking fluff. Its like half the bloody game.

I'll just say that I fluff a lot normally and people have commonly said that it tells very little about my alignment, so the fluff line feels pointless to me. Though I get ya, costumes make it all different. Still, my point about you needing more stands, I feel.
 
You have been not really there the entire game. Some of it can be excused with RL reasons, but some things like this:

Clearly show you're not interested in doing any scumhunting.
I mean iv laid out who my current scum suspects are, whether i go further with them is dependent on todays lynch,
and fucking forgive me if i havnt been all that interested in this game over the last couple days,
 
Huh, overall I missed some major thoughts during this all. I was too focused on the seed and math.



I've been orbiting the mechanics planet bit too little, thinking about the best play, how doomed we are, how to claim, such things. I did not note some things during all that, the SK premise was my premise to thinking about the N1 problem what I started to think about around the time I made that post. And now I need to reason with it.



I'll just say that I fluff a lot normally and people have commonly said that it tells very little about my alignment, so the fluff line feels pointless to me. Though I get ya, costumes make it all different. Still, my point about you needing more stands, I feel.
See i find you can still read alignment from less serious posts as well as more deliberate statements, its literally the one area of mafia im confident in so its where i focus. Its less about personal meta and more how someones attitude changes to differant contexts.
Like people suddenly trying hard to appear confirmed on the eve of potential victory.

Usually it isnt complicated by in-jokes that i totally missed, which leaves me feeling real damn foolish.
 
I mean iv laid out who my current scum suspects are, whether i go further with them is dependent on todays lynch,
and fucking forgive me if i havnt been all that interested in this game over the last couple days,
You have done WHAT? You've laid out barely anything. Here are all your posts from D3 so far:
Jesus i wasnt expecting 2 nks 2 nights in a row in a game this size, and now your telling me it coukd have been more?

I dont math so imma just have to follow yall on the potential game setups.

Im alright with a general mass claim, it doesnt look like we could have many town PRs left to protect anyway,
but i will preference that with continuing to dislike pretty much everything catalina is putting down, this feels more like her trying to setup a gambit than anything.

My hat is off to Niko for that one, bravo sir.

Im a 1 shot Doctor, or i was, used my shot last night protecting Trevor.

I wasn't particularly confident in who i wanted to protect N1, and having just replaced in and made practically no dent in the game i was pretty confident i would survive.
It being a 1shot i really didn't want to just fire blindly, figured at the least i would have a smaller pool to choose from on D2

I could believe The Masons being a gambit, its a big one but everyone was just going on and on about how close the game might be to ending, i could see this as as a push to try and really get things over the edge for them.

And catalinas totally unnecessary Ass-ery to Claud and mr "Confirmed Town" above sure dont help.

Yeah thats fair, im not going to pretend that im in a good spot right now.


Honestly my guts is telling me more to go with the masons, but If it does come down to me or claude then its pretty obvious were my vote will be going.

And FWIW the 'laying low' was much more timezone and unexpected RL reasons.

Sorry if iv been a bit absent, yesterdays events made me not really care for playing, and today i was just distracted by other things.

That said i dont really know if i would have had anything more to contribute considering today is likely to thunderdome and my choice is pretty obvious, and all other speculation seems to only be derived from the game systems which i really cant really comment on.

Sorry i guess i completely missed your earlier request, but yeah no breadcrumbs.
I didnt really think to leave any, and probably wouldnt have even if it had occoured to me because as i said i was trying to survive at the time to make good use of the shot, and i really didnt anticipate this game becoming so focused on a mass claim and solving everything through the game setup.
I honestly cant think of any time breadcrumbing as a doctor was nessesary in any past game.

Hah, Honestly thats the strongest reason to suspect its happening.

Its not "like" i was thinking of this, i explicitly was and still am.
I think you both are still far from confirmed and the behaviour from you both as you both as you claimed still doesnt sit well with me.
Nothing on this has changed i just havnt been harping on it because its clear that today will be between me and Claude.

You repeatedly yelling that your confirmed town, trevor even made his own gif for it, you both were desperate to pesh the idea that you are confirmed town on a day that is aparently possibly Lylo.
Yeah i find that pretty damn suspicious, im surprised that noone else seems to think so but i guess they are too busy looking at their calculators.

This is the first im hearing about it being a joke and it sure as hell didnt seem like one at the time.

Look at the news and maybe lay the fuck off that line of thinking mate. I had my reasons.

Yeah thats fair, honestly i think most of this is just me not realise what kind of gamebi was replacing into, i really didnt expect something so centred on roles and mechanic solving, something that om typically terrible at.

Uhh, no?
Have i just totally missed something here?

Okay yeah i definitely missed something, iv been deliberately trying not to guess peoples identities, i figured that was the whole point of a costume game.

That said behaviour analysis aint fucking fluff. Its like half the bloody game.

I mean iv laid out who my current scum suspects are, whether i go further with them is dependent on todays lynch,
and fucking forgive me if i havnt been all that interested in this game over the last couple days,
And you've not been disinterested in the game only D3, but generally pretty inactive. Which fits a SK in my experience.
 
Usually it isnt complicated by in-jokes that i totally missed, which leaves me feeling real damn foolish.

And being complicated by one of the persons in question being a bit of a dick at the time, yeah. I think I get your concern now.
 
Claude, you did not crumb the shot right? Why, when you should've been aware that a SK was possible?
I did not. I'm generally not somebody who breadcrumbs, I mostly forget about it. And an SK could have crumbed in possible preperation of a vig claim just as easy, so I don't think that tells us much.
 
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