Spectator Thread House of Horrors Spec Thread

Discussion in 'House of Horrors Mafia' started by Natiko, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    Where did I mess up yesterday in pushing for ty?

    I think I let myself get distracted with the faddy claim. I made a post to not get distracted by it but still went back to discussing it T_T.
     
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  2. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    Ty flip should hopefully point to those on the kop vote.
     
  3. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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  4. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    I think that was it, yeah. I also don't think you elaborated too much on why you thought Ty was Scum if I remember right, so I don't think you swayed anyone off the fence.
     
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  5. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    Even after the ty flip I would’ve probably pushed chuggs>faddy>rover lynched next over gog.

    Glad me scumreading faddy wasn’t so bad, even scumteam thought he was scummy enuff to be hidden partner l. Lol.
     
  6. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Only 80 thousand times after Fanto flipped and you wanted us off the topic so bad lol
     
  7. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Yeah, I don't see how Gotham gets lynched. I haven't super been reading closely since I died but I haven't picked up anything.
     
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  8. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    I didn’t mind the modifier talk though.

    It was convo of discussing fanto’s win con. and when he would win.

    *truffleshuffle*
     
  9. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    They may still win. Gog is getting pitted due to poe
     
  10. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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  11. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    What...,,,Stanley....,.what about ty.
     
  12. Olinad

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    Oh well at least everybody's happy I was scum and definitely not having real life stuff going on. Everybody wins lol.
     
  13. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    What is going on lol.
     
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  14. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    For what it’s worth I don’t think anyone has scumread you that much for low activity.

    Least that was never the reason I was on you earlier.
     
  15. Olinad

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    Back then it was mostly you tho, it got worse when I stopped following
     
  16. Gorlak

    Gorlak Is not technically Roytheone

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    Frustration
     
  17. Verelios

    Verelios Were-elios

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    Uh huh, okay, that makes sense.
     
  18. EzekelRAGE

    EzekelRAGE *truffleshuffle*

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    But it had nothing to do with activity though.
     
  19. Verelios

    Verelios Were-elios

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    I somehow doubt today ends well for town. Paranoia seems to be taking root too.
     
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  20. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    I'm slightly an idiot but also this game is busted in some teachable ways

    ask me anything
     
  21. Gorlak

    Gorlak Is not technically Roytheone

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    Town has already lost even if they lynch scum...
     
  22. heymonkey

    heymonkey You are all my guinea pigs

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    GoG should jump on this Ty lynch and live forever.
     
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  23. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    i'd like to start by saying that sparky claiming lovers d1 was like the worst thing that's ever happened to me
     
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  24. Vincent Alexander

    Vincent Alexander New Member

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    I was rooting for you to stick with him so much. You really had him on your radar.
     
  25. absolutbro

    absolutbro New Member

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    Faddy, I want you to know I approve of that last gambit. Approve so hard.
     
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  26. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    it's a good gambit i gotta say
     
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  27. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    I just want to point out one thing, Faddy, which is some epic karma.
    "In House of Horrors he was town but hard aligned with scum so what are the downsides on a faddy vote..."

    Lol, just kidding of course, but I couldn't help but remember that quote after Natiko said that Scum are convinced that Faddy is actually on their side lmao.

    Seriously though, welcome to the club of people who have "hard aligned with Scum" Faddy, I'm the local chapter president.
     
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  28. Gorlak

    Gorlak Is not technically Roytheone

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    That wasn't your gambit??
     
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  29. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    i guess our chat isn't open?

    hell no. everything i said in the thread is true, lmao. he just up and blurted it out d1, and i'm just reading like "oh....oh no...."
     
  30. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    i did wish a lot of the theories about our role were true, because it would have been a lot smarter
     
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  31. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    i honestly thought i had figured something out when i pushed the theory that saenima had gotten picked up in a scum watcher role. At the end of the day I'm not walking away from this game looking good, but Sorian really should not have claimed Sleepwalker, as in my mind it became like the one relevant thread to keep revisiting.

    VA's tunnel was, I admit, a bit much and predicated on nothing much, just trying to intuit the game. But dude.....don't vote for yourself like that. I've been down that road and even though I'm down for some craziness, it's more confusing than it's worth.

    And it's not to blame either of them for bad play on my part, but we had a low amount information to work with and it compounded as each day turned up more of nothing.
     
  32. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    LOL

    RIP Wee.
     
  33. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    The lovers claim on d1 is one of the funniest things I have read in mafia 1000% worth it
     
  34. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    From what I've read of the spoilers so far, I think the major 'problem' (in quotes because I don't want to be negative about it) with it is that you designed under the assumption that only 2 mafia meant you had to buff them with awesome powers. But the issue we had as town is that the powers didn't feed us much of any info, and it turns out the low number was a boon in of itself in terms of mafia not sticking out by day and not needing to worry too much about defending each other during a push.

    Of course this was a 'bastard' game and that suggests anything goes, but this was almost as much of a groaner as the game having no mafia at all. Not to say I left the game frustrated, on the contrary I think it's an interesting game to study along the lines of 'balance' and swinging the game one way or another. The game deserves some credit for being subtle and technically coming down to the wire in terms of who might win, but IMO it might lack the swings necessary to keep people engaged.

    I wonder if simply announcing how many scum were in the game at the start would have dramatically shifted people's strategies to question everybody, while maybe speculating even more craziness about what could be happening behind the scenes in such a seemingly lop-sided game.
     
  35. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    Lol they did it hahaha
     
  36. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    So what players can be scumverted?

    Faddy winning as scum would be sweet lol
     
  37. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    Oh shit, that's a game over now?

    Well, GG Scum, you guys won even though you shot me, your best buddy, on N1!
     
  38. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    Guess weemad wasnt scum
     
  39. Natiko

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    I'm not going to say the game is perfectly balanced or anything, but honestly the only scum power that accomplished anything at all is the even day kill. I don't think for a game this size with only two scum we can argue it was horribly in their favor. Ultimately it's on the players in this game that they didn't push for more engagement and threaten Ty and GOG for blending into the background. Town set up a chain lynch and followed it through to their demise. Plus some of those swings you mentioned could have happened but town's cop got taken out early, their backup doctor as well. That's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.

    Anyone could have, but there were restrictions in place to make it less likely for town PRs to be converted.
     
  40. karkador

    karkador Board Game King

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    What I was trying to say is that town is always looking for the network of mafia players who are coordinating. A network of 3-4 players will tend to mess something up and get spotted easier than a duo of 2. Not enough time, attention, or detail in a 22 player game to interrogate every last person. That's a significant coasting advantage.

    The chain votes didn't help but is the alternative voting a completely different set of people each day? I think two scum still manage to squeeze past us, especially if someone is RNGed into their team with no hope of figuring that out.
     
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  41. Natiko

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    Sure, but scum also loses the advantage of being able to push a specific agenda or swing votes easily. It cuts both ways. It’s not as if every scum team would suddenly be stronger by giving them less members. In this same setup you could have a really quick stomping of scum as well. It just so happened that town had really bad breaks with their PRs and didn’t really come together enough to suss out scum. How many people suspected Ty at various points but opted to push him off to another day just because there had to be scum between Kop and VA for instance?
     
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  42. Natiko

    Natiko Administrator

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    And just to clarify, I’m not saying this game doesn’t have balance issues or anything. I just think there are definitely paths that could lead to a town victory had there been more engagement and re-evaluation over the course of the game.
     
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  43. Ty4on

    Ty4on The 4 is silent

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    I was preparing to defend why we had actually won a game that ended in town victory because 2 player scum team :P

    It was listed as slightly bastard so some weirdness in setup was to be expected.
     
  44. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I know my life, I die N1 much more often unclaimed as opposed to starting with a sleepwalker role. L_P is my MVP for not calling it out and at the end of it's day it served it's purpose of leaving me left alone and alerting town to my role. As expected, scum already knew a tracker/watcher was in play.
     
  45. Lone_Prodigy

    Lone_Prodigy LP_509

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    Town didn't learn from Maple Street about chain lunches. This seemed worse because there was no scum flip to work off of.

    In hindsight I was going to push Ty for the Brazil vote because it was so sketch. But I died.

    And I did toy with a D1 Sorian lunch but the greater good won out.
     
  46. Natiko

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    That's where you're wrong. The greater good is always a Sorian lynch - alignment be damned.
     
  47. Ty4on

    Ty4on The 4 is silent

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    Brazil lynch was the best decision, not sure what people were objecting to there.

    Why wouldn’t you lynch a loud townie?
     
  48. Ty4on

    Ty4on The 4 is silent

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    Mechanically you’d help us, but I still think you were one of the best targets N1. You still played effectively as town trying to find scum and went over the entire player base picking out us which nobody else really did on D1. Getting you out before you started to champion lynching us was quite crucial. You being slightly lower profile also made you less of a standout lynch and while there were things pointing towards us it was still quite fuzzy so nobody really focused on that.
     
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