Strategy, plans, discussions, oh my!

Discussion in 'Tactical Talk' started by heymonkey, May 14, 2019.

  1. heymonkey

    heymonkey You are all my guinea pigs

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    Let's talk tactics!

    I'LL START: leaving early breadcrumbs about your PR can be really obvious and make you a scum target. When and how did we get so into breadcrumbs?

    Second: after a scum lynch, I always look at the last three (approximately, depending on size of game) votes on the scum, and the first two - at least, that's where I start looking.
     
  2. Brazil

    Brazil Well-Known Member

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    I’ve never seen the point of breadcrumbing a role as town, either. There’s very little benefit to it... other than confirming that you didn’t come up with a fake claim on the spot, I guess.

    It’s only a good move if you’re scum and you’re ready to commit to a fake breadcrumb from day 1. Even a little edge can make a difference when you’re on the spot.

    Disclaimer: literally never been an active town PR.
     
  3. Fantomas

    Fantomas Well-Known Member

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    How do you fake read someone when you're Scum? This was my biggest problem in Conspiracy, I couldn't give any reads past D1 so I just had to throw out a fake cop claim and ride the wave until it ran out and I got voted out.
    Why?
     
  4. heymonkey

    heymonkey You are all my guinea pigs

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    Because the final votes are a good place for scum to jump on if a lynch has become relatively unavoidable, so they aren't off the scum vote. And occasionally you find that someone started a train on a scummate, or joined early, to look good... and then never came off. Maybe it gained steam pretty quickly or maybe they coordinated the bus. Obviously scum can be anywhere on a vote, or not on it at all, but those tend to be the most likely places so that's where I look first. BUT! It's important not to assume someone who didn't have a good reason is automatically scum. Often town will just switch because they have no idea what's up. So you gotta weigh everything carefully.
     
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    Brazil Well-Known Member

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    In my experience, in the same way you come up with reads of people when you're town - it just takes a bit of extra concentration to keep the actual truth of who the scum team is in the back of your mind for a little while.

    There are inconsistencies to be found in every player, town or not. As town, you've most definitely come up with multiple good cases against people who ended up flipping town as well in the past. These are the types of cases you're trying to make here. Just try not to worry too much about how what you're saying is going to be perceived, as a genuine scumhunter wouldn't.

    I guess hunting for inconsistencies to find a neutral player could also work if you have a hard time abstracting the actual scum team from your thought process.
     
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  6. Natiko

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    Yeah, I agree with this a lot. Additionally, as you play enough games you'll start to get a feel for the things that stand out to you most when scum hunting. Continue to be mindful of those things even when you're scum. It can actually help your town game on the flip side as well as you start to figure out which of the "scum tells" you lean on are most commonly also displayed by town.
     
  7. Vincent Alexander

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    Oh hey! Didn't realize this thread was here! Awesome possum.

    Big, open question: are there any commonly held beliefs, tips, and tricks that you don't believe in? Some examples of ones I've heard since starting:

    -Never skip a lunch day. This always comes up in every game Day 1, especially with new players.
    -WIFOM. I've heard this a lot, but...I'm not sure I've ever taken the proper lesson out of it. IS there an answer? Is there a popularly held belief on how to deal with this dilemma in Mafia?
    -Don't vote bad play. This one trips me up the most. How on Earth do you even separate bad play from scummy behavior? I feel like more than not, people vote against bad play, and it leads town to killing town more often than not.