Pair Thread Xbro & Reki Suite

Pick whoever you want but please don't be too mean.

I think both SkyOdin and Vincent Alexander wanted to vote us, but hated the idea of hammering. Maybe they'd be willing to change that stance?
 

Xbro

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I'd rather go for Monkey or Fantomas.

I don't want to hit anyone who is town. Ideally someone should just find my slip and go from there
 

Xbro

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A ninja would be a very powerful role. Enough that you would sacrifice a useless role cop to keep
 

Xbro

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I'll admit I laughed when I saw Stuart duck out for a theory, then seeing the theory itself.
 
I'll admit I laughed when I saw Stuart duck out for a theory, then seeing the theory itself.

Yeah but don't be too hard on him. He constantly thinks he doesn't explain himself that well.

Fantomas' claim feels genuine, so I'm fine with it.

Yeah that's a lot of details to get right if fake.

Will you take into consideration the new info?

I'm monitoring the voting for when we reach 10.
 

Xbro

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I've taken into consideration the new info yeah. I don't think Fantomas is scum anymore. The only stuff I had was circumstantial and isn't too much. If I were to make a guess, I'd say TheSkyChuggernaut is the remaining member.
 

Xbro

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The initial post was to solve a hangup I had. I've been scum reading Monkey, but before Day 2 ended I couldn't reconcile both Pirate Malus and Dr. Stu being scum. When I saw the flip it all clicked.


@Verelios @Apollo @rac @Kyanrute @empressdonna @CoolestSpot @Fantomas @Vincent Alexander @Natiko @Terraforce @anyone else I can't see at this time


I encourage you all to go through Sorian's posts, Geno's posts, and my posts. I don't have much, it won't take long. It will make more sense once within the context of me being town. I especially implore you to look at the conversation between me and Stu very closely. It's a lot easier to see once you know for certain the alignment of one player. I also implore you to read this post through.


So let's get started on some highlights.


Some of Sorian's posts.

We’re on day 2. Trying to sell that I’ve done something for days is disingenuous. We’ve had all town flips that had nothing to do with reads on you, you’ve done nothing different between day 1 and day 2 (still missing broad points of the thread, still focusing more on half truths to get people on your side, and still in general just being hypocritical (Stu sitting on the same vote for “days”, you also spiraling with the role talk)). But yes, keep telling me more how I’m not scum hunting when you don’t care to actually engage with my other reads because it’s more important that you make me out to be wrong and dense than it is for you to find scum in the thread.


A+ for also already prepping for my flip too, gotta work that PR early.


To which monkey responds with:

We’ve done this dance multiple times and I’m not gonna repeat myself at length about you deciding early and never evolving. In anyone else I’d say that’s dumb town. In you, it feels like you think you can just get away with it and for a while no one seemed to say boo about it so probably you could have if I didn’t fight back - which you then also want to scumread me for. Insert series of eyerolls.


I’m gonna eat lunch and then put up my revised reads.


Not only does Monkey ignore the actual point Sorian brought about in the post, but throws some shade onto Sorian for being someone people don't want to argue about. Also making up her own reason for Sorian's scum reading.


Something Sorian notes:


That’s not what I’m scum reading you for. You literally quoted a post where I said what I’m scum reading you for.


I have no reason to evolve my read when you keep doing the same scummy shit.


Monkey does not respond to this. Instead she redirects the conversation over to other pairs to get away from this. Now I can understand at this point if Monkey is just frustrated with the conversation and wants to move away, but earlier in the game, Sorian makes this excellent post:


I’m not quoting that all on mobile so Dr. Monkey so you’re notified.


First point, I said it would be annoying if they were lying after malus claimed who the check was on, not before. I’m not sure how that’s confusing you when I literally said it while quoting malus saying it.


Second point, my reason for voting you has very little to do with “how I expect you to play” that’s a weird distillation of the actual issue of, I don’t think you are fully reading the thread. Nothing you’ve done has inspired confidence that you are actually following the flow of the game. So sure, in a way, I’m saying on meta that you usually follow along better and you aren’t here but in general, not reading the thread is usually a scum tell unless it’s a person who has proven that they play more on skimming and memory which is not something you’ve shown in the past. And this isn’t a case of “I’m just not commenting on everything!” like you tried to claim yesterday, you are literally putting events in the wrong order and just missing events that occurred, see recent example where you can’t keep two posts straight that happened less then 3 hours ago.


Third point, you’re right, I didn’t respond to Flux’s point because i didn’t read 999 and I don’t really care how Flux acted in such a different game (tiny game size further divided into even smaller games). He would act drastically different there regardless because everyone had such a bright spotlight on them, the comparison is worthless.


Fourth point (out of order but I’ll give this the wuick answer it deserves), your extra commentary on how Flux’s GENERAL ATTITUDE is garbage tier looking busy. You did that everyday in MafiERA and that’s why I knew you were scum there day 1. You’re excusing why you won’t really commit to anything on flux and moving on.


Fifth point, I’m confused what the issue is that I was confident in a read before the check came out. Yeah, duh, welcome to Sorian. I gave you the exact reason why I thought they were town, the issue you and Terra and whoever else have had is you didn’t feel like that reason provided enough evidence, good for you all, I don’t need to keep coming up with more reasons to appease the scum attempt at undermining.


And final point, your analysis of my vote analysis is lazy. Could I speak more to each of those players? Probably if I had more time but you still aren’t really meta based (see above), the non scum/scum read on you and Brazil has nothing to do with meta so that’s something on both of you, no clue what the hell you mean on Reki being “newbie-based” their read is based completely on making a couple good posts mid day 1 and then effectively slinking to the shadow after a lot of people said it was great, Xbro got what he gets for now, I don’t need to push every single scum read at once his vote was trash day 1, I’ll be watching day 2, there’s plenty on the plate already, and see notes on Flux above and why it is meta but why it doesn’t need to be challenged.


What does Monkey do? Ignores it. Draws attention away from it. Responding a few times to other players in the mean time. Then a later post from Sorian about his scum!gossip theory draws the attention of Stuart. Stuart asks for Sorian's reasoning Then Monkey jumps in there and says she was going to respond to Sorian's posts(Which I assume means the one quoted above, but who knows, she could have just ignored it to let it fly under the radar), but Stuart's question is a good substitute.


Seems to me Monkey likes to let these things go under the radar whenever possible, and likes to spin them in other times.


Nitpicking certain points and ignoring others seems to be a common thing across both pairs. To further prove this, earlier in the day I gave some low hanging fruit for them to bite on to. Stuart took it hook line and sinker.

oh and on this...


I told Geno that we figured it out before revealing who they were. Monkey and me even tried to ask if we should reveal them or not.


Saying I didnt explain that I figured it out until after I outed them is like, wut.

Funny how he singled out this one point, and disregarded the point about disregarding points.


Also nice that you singled out one part of my post telling you to stop trying to redirect, thereby redirecting.


It's also not surprising that you immediately jumped onto me when I called you out. You seem to be a huge fan of OMGUS scum reads this game. Good luck dismissing this post with OMGUS, it only works for people who are alive.


My theory is a simple enough one.


Reki is trying to stay consistent with his posts, it makes him seem townie enough. He has put in quite a bit of work.


But Xbro today went straight at us from the get go.


My guess is, they wanted to make sure a strong scum PR isn't lunched today after losing their role cop.


Rekibro are goons and now, there is a good chance that we have a scum ninja about, probably one of the vanilla's?


Reki continuing the way they have (putting in some work, trying to stay consistent) is a good way for town to also second guess the lunch.


After all, this is a pair game.


For example, I'd want to lunch Fep but because of the work we've seen from stan, I've hesitated going at them as I like Stan's posts/content.


Same thing here. Reki has some good posts which is prime material to make us second guess lunching them because of Xbro's posts from the start of the day phase.


tl;dr: Rekibro are goons

I legitimately found this post hilarious. Not only is it too weak for Monkey to call it out in thread on it instead of just prodding you in the chat (Nice job drawing attention once again to "our chat"), but you literally just said I did what I called you out on doing Day 3. It's nice to know you think the plan is plausible though.


With new info about a Ninja likely being present, that seems like quite a good role that you'd want to save. Maybe getting rid of a now useless role in the process.




I'm 95% sure there are a total of 3 scum teams this game. Now 2 with Pirate Malus gone.


There are 19 threads allocated to this game on OuterMafia.

19 threads

17 pairs

1 scum thread

1 spec thread

3 gossip chats

14 pairs remaining


3 scum teams.


If I were to take a stab at the remaining pair, I'd say TheSkyChuggernaut. I've brought this up before, but there are two 'messaging' type roles in this game. I find it unlikely for both to be town. Not to mention Sky more or less ignored my entire post before moving on.


Going to also put this on record and say that I've never thought of Vereollo as scum, it just didn't vibe with me. I'd rather not suffer two mislynches. If it came down to Reki and I vs them, I would have self voted.


Wait a minute I'm still doing that


vote: Xbro
 
Nitpicking certain points and ignoring others seems to be a common thing across both pairs.

Just to be sure, you mean S-Dubs and Dr. Stu here right?

Good luck dismissing this post with OMGUS, it only works for people who are alive.

I had a chuckle.

I legitimately found this post hilarious

I think you already know what I'd say about this.

Otherwise it seems good. Maybe a mention of you backing off from the Fantomas read after the claim? Admitting to reassess normally gives you more cred.

I just want some votes. We'll get old before being lunched!
 

Xbro

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Mention me in game to alert me. I'm at my dad's birthday party and the push notifications should let me know
 

Xbro

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Amended my post to include a bit about monkey getting PR ready for our flip. Sorian pointed it out, I drew attention to it.
 
Nice.

By the way I inadvertently messed up when trying to look suspicious. That and the "let's start some trains" will probably make us wait until EoD.
 

Xbro

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Eh, it's probably fine. Some good discussion started to arise, but fantomas would probably not be as burned out had we turbo'd
 

Xbro

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Also that chugg post is nice. If he's scum, he knows we aren't a bomb, and can score some town points by claiming to take the fall
 

Xbro

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Monkey is correct. Our current play does indeed come across as anti town. Relax though, as that is the intention
 
I'll just explain things easily. They won't believe it until we flip, but your point about the bomb discussion is good to look at D5.
 

Xbro

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Look at Monkey's reaction. I've made it clear that I want monkey to vote for me. She claims she's okay with dying if it means stuff clears up, but she's afraid that voting for us will somehow end in her death
 
Yeah, it's a bit inconsistent. Do you want to weigh in? I'm getting a bit tired of playing defense all the time.
 

Xbro

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I'm hesitant mostly because I've got a big draft ready to post. Votes will probably come out in a bit. I doubt anyone wants to stay on the fat4all train for the day considering a replacement is in store
 
Happy it's over.

You were the best partner I could've wished for Xbro, had a lot of fun playing with you.
 
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