Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
I will help too. I wasn’t even voting for them at the time.
Most people when you see a post like that they think “oh you must believe I’m town”
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Most people when you see a post like that they think “oh you must believe I’m town”
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Nah, it's ok. I usually don't have to deal with much heat as Town, so it's something new for me at least lol.
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As for why I think people Scum read you? A lot of it I think is a "tone" type of thing, mixed with things like you popping in to answer easy questions about roles or mechanics and not sharing your thoughts on the game state or your reads.
Like real talk, I would be scum reading you in this game if I didn't know you were Town lol. But also, this becomes useful Meta knowledge for future games together, where eventually I will hard defend you for this behavior and you will flip Scum lol.
One thing I think we can use to help us though is to look at the people who want to take advantage of that fact now, because they know people would find it hard to want to lynch me, but they can weave a narrative about how you are definitely Scum and therefore I have to be as well, and that's something I'd be wary of. People who share mixed thoughts, or at least try to Scum read me based on my own posts, I'd probably feel better about just on instincts.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
That makes sense, yeah when I’m posting on mobile it’s so hard to weave those large read posts in so i naturally lend to those quicker posts. Definitely something for me to work on in the future
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, and one thing I have learned from being partnered with you is that it can be difficult to read what is genuine "coasting" as in a Scum player who isn't very invested in the conversations of the day, versus someone like yourself in this game who is Town but is just having a hard time keeping up.
B-Dubs ended up being the same way as you are here, but I thought he was probably Scum. That's a part of my game that I need to improve on.
B-Dubs ended up being the same way as you are here, but I thought he was probably Scum. That's a part of my game that I need to improve on.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, I'm going to take a break to eat, then take my mind off the game by playing some Overwatch (new event and there's a new skin for Brigitte! OMG!) but then after that I will sit down with some caffeine and reread the day's contents, drop a bunch of notes in here, and also separately start drafting up my scum read posts for tomorrow.
I think I still want to push Natiko/Terra at first, because Sorian was with me on that and I know he was Town. God dammit I wish people would have been into that flip, I really think that would have been a good one with so many people reluctant to put reads down on him, or people writing off Natiko's sketchy behavior by saying "Meh, Terra seems kind townie though"
Monkey will be my other big subject, because again with Sorian flipping Town jesus christ, there is a good chance that Monkey is Scum here and she is not to be trusted worth shit.
People might give me shit for it because of MafiEra and me having been bamboozled by them, but I really don't care, I think they could both be Scum here yet again and I'm not going to let them get away with it this time.
As for Bae/Malus, what I am really hoping for is that they bluffed on being 1-Shot and can maybe check us tonight, because god that would feel good. Otherwise it's whatever, if they don't give any more checks then Scum probably won't kill them, and Town will have to either let them live on the claim or eventually kill them out of paranoia if we can't hit Scum in the next couple days.
I think I still want to push Natiko/Terra at first, because Sorian was with me on that and I know he was Town. God dammit I wish people would have been into that flip, I really think that would have been a good one with so many people reluctant to put reads down on him, or people writing off Natiko's sketchy behavior by saying "Meh, Terra seems kind townie though"
Monkey will be my other big subject, because again with Sorian flipping Town jesus christ, there is a good chance that Monkey is Scum here and she is not to be trusted worth shit.
People might give me shit for it because of MafiEra and me having been bamboozled by them, but I really don't care, I think they could both be Scum here yet again and I'm not going to let them get away with it this time.
As for Bae/Malus, what I am really hoping for is that they bluffed on being 1-Shot and can maybe check us tonight, because god that would feel good. Otherwise it's whatever, if they don't give any more checks then Scum probably won't kill them, and Town will have to either let them live on the claim or eventually kill them out of paranoia if we can't hit Scum in the next couple days.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, here come some notes about the game while I read through the thread. This is more just for me, but if you read this all and have any thoughts you want to add, feel free.
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Ok, so right away we've got Natiko voting for AB and implying that it would have been best to just shoot them with the vig right then and there. He wants to get that narrative going really good right away. Keep this in mind, because it is very indicative of the whole story of Natiko's game on D2.
Monkey with a pre typed post and tons of questions for people based on the end of D1, but a lot of them are weird questions that I don't think really amounted to anything.
SkyOdin had a weird first post of the day, #1796. Just wanted to note that one down.
Natiko posts #1788 and #1797, more narratives being set by him, don't like it.
Brazil's attitude towards Stu felt a bit forced there early on. Geno's lines up with earlier behavior, but Brazil's sticks out. Noting this because Sorian mentioned Brazil/Flux in his scum reads.
Sorian god dammit, we were so aligned in this game, if you could have just stepped off of Monkey for a moment we could have gone after Natiko all damn day together, fuck. And if you were right about Monkey, then fuck me for not wanting to see it until now! Fuck!
Natiko post #1867, scummy.
Natiko post #1882, don't like it.
Verelios, I've already made a post on his content during the first part of the day, I still think it all looks scummy, his later content made me feel better for some reason, but then he dropped off again at EoD. Possible Scum? I don't know, maybe if Monkey isn't Scum with Natiko then Verelios is though, he can be Scum in that world for sure.
#1931 from Terra. This quote looks so bad in hindsight with the green check on AB/Ty. "Do you really think we were almost at a 3 way tie between three potential mislynches?" Lol, as if this is unheard of on D1 of all days!
Brazil/Natiko/Terraforce all got into arguments with Sorian about the D1 votes and how Sorian was reading them. It was a shit ton of noise. I don't they were all Scum, Nat/Terra probably are though.
Posts like #1958 from Terra exhibit a really over the top posting style from him that makes him seem really sure of himself and aggressive towards anyone who disagrees with him. I don't remember Terra being like this in past games with him. I usually remember him as being able to type up multiple paragraphs in response to someone, but never with that kind of attitude, he always seemed to have a cooler head, and I've only seen him as Town before, so that's why it sticks out to me here.
Ugh, I don't know if it's a Scum tell for sure, but I don't remember her doing this on D1 in GTA which is the only time I have seen Monkey as Town outside of Gif Mafia, but she does this really irritating thing where she gives all these "helpful" little tips and suggestions and "oh, this is how we do things, we go like this, then we think about this, then we do this, and then we find Scum, gee golly shucks it's so fun!" and then she's actually Scum. She did it in GoT, she did it in MafiEra, and she's doing it here. Prime example of this is post #2011. If she's Town in this game, I'll write it off as NAI, but if she's Scum again, then I think it's like a nervous tic or something.
Post #2019 though, Monkey takes the time to give me a scum read on Fandorin, who is dead and flipped Town, just to explain why she thought it was a weird kill. What the fuck is that lol. I almost want to actually write her off as Town for this post alone because where in the shit did she pull that read on a deceased player from? It makes me think she talked about it all night to Stu, and then was disappointed that he died, and still wanted to share the damn read lol.
Either that or it's WIFOM meant to produce those thoughts, and really she killed Fran because he would have totally been going after her still...
Welcome to the endless merry-go-round that is my thoughts on Monkey, holy shit.
#2023 Natiko is now saying that regardless of TyBro's alignment, the votes shifting to Kits is suspicious. So it both saved the scum teammate, and if they were Town, then it was "a wild turn of events" and he has never seen Town kill Town like that before. Lol, ok, Town loves killing Town, but ok.
Chuggs post in #2027 was mentioned by multiple people. Was it weird? I'm not sure, but I'll keep it in mind.
I am going to play a game of "Find the Chat Thieves" in a post here soon, I just want to remind myself by mentioning it here. I think by examining the reactions to Bae's claim, as well as the people she later mentioned having discussed with them about using the cop check on, it could narrow down the list of possible suspects by a shit ton. She seems so sure that they were Town too, so it makes me wonder if it is a widely town read pair.
#2144 and #2172 is where Terra starts his interrogation of Bae, which just felt so fake to me. He's concerned that Bae is worried that the target of her green check would be night killed? Honestly, who cares and what does anyone get out of that continued line of question? Like it's again an example of him using this really specific tone that just makes him come off as very over the top to me, and it reads scummy to me because it makes me think he's trying to seem like he's really into what he's saying, but he's actually not.
The amount of shade that Monkey threw towards Sorian in this day phase is almost immeasurable. I mean, he threw a good amount her way as well, but my god that was something.
Flux is so weird. Maybe him and Brazil are Scum...
SkyOdin and Chuggs might be the Chat Thieves. Making this note based on Sky's posts in #2421, #2428, and #2432.
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Ok, everything else is recent enough that I feel like I remember it. I'm going to go back and read EoD now, and put any notes I have on that down next. I really wasn't reading every post that came in there, I was more worried about whether people were actually going to just do what Sorian said and pile on to us, which obviously I would want to counter with our claim, but that didn't happen so I ended up just yelling at people and looking like I was overreacting to some random votes.
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Ok, so right away we've got Natiko voting for AB and implying that it would have been best to just shoot them with the vig right then and there. He wants to get that narrative going really good right away. Keep this in mind, because it is very indicative of the whole story of Natiko's game on D2.
Monkey with a pre typed post and tons of questions for people based on the end of D1, but a lot of them are weird questions that I don't think really amounted to anything.
SkyOdin had a weird first post of the day, #1796. Just wanted to note that one down.
Natiko posts #1788 and #1797, more narratives being set by him, don't like it.
Brazil's attitude towards Stu felt a bit forced there early on. Geno's lines up with earlier behavior, but Brazil's sticks out. Noting this because Sorian mentioned Brazil/Flux in his scum reads.
Sorian god dammit, we were so aligned in this game, if you could have just stepped off of Monkey for a moment we could have gone after Natiko all damn day together, fuck. And if you were right about Monkey, then fuck me for not wanting to see it until now! Fuck!
Natiko post #1867, scummy.
Natiko post #1882, don't like it.
Verelios, I've already made a post on his content during the first part of the day, I still think it all looks scummy, his later content made me feel better for some reason, but then he dropped off again at EoD. Possible Scum? I don't know, maybe if Monkey isn't Scum with Natiko then Verelios is though, he can be Scum in that world for sure.
#1931 from Terra. This quote looks so bad in hindsight with the green check on AB/Ty. "Do you really think we were almost at a 3 way tie between three potential mislynches?" Lol, as if this is unheard of on D1 of all days!
Brazil/Natiko/Terraforce all got into arguments with Sorian about the D1 votes and how Sorian was reading them. It was a shit ton of noise. I don't they were all Scum, Nat/Terra probably are though.
Posts like #1958 from Terra exhibit a really over the top posting style from him that makes him seem really sure of himself and aggressive towards anyone who disagrees with him. I don't remember Terra being like this in past games with him. I usually remember him as being able to type up multiple paragraphs in response to someone, but never with that kind of attitude, he always seemed to have a cooler head, and I've only seen him as Town before, so that's why it sticks out to me here.
Ugh, I don't know if it's a Scum tell for sure, but I don't remember her doing this on D1 in GTA which is the only time I have seen Monkey as Town outside of Gif Mafia, but she does this really irritating thing where she gives all these "helpful" little tips and suggestions and "oh, this is how we do things, we go like this, then we think about this, then we do this, and then we find Scum, gee golly shucks it's so fun!" and then she's actually Scum. She did it in GoT, she did it in MafiEra, and she's doing it here. Prime example of this is post #2011. If she's Town in this game, I'll write it off as NAI, but if she's Scum again, then I think it's like a nervous tic or something.
Post #2019 though, Monkey takes the time to give me a scum read on Fandorin, who is dead and flipped Town, just to explain why she thought it was a weird kill. What the fuck is that lol. I almost want to actually write her off as Town for this post alone because where in the shit did she pull that read on a deceased player from? It makes me think she talked about it all night to Stu, and then was disappointed that he died, and still wanted to share the damn read lol.
Either that or it's WIFOM meant to produce those thoughts, and really she killed Fran because he would have totally been going after her still...
Welcome to the endless merry-go-round that is my thoughts on Monkey, holy shit.
#2023 Natiko is now saying that regardless of TyBro's alignment, the votes shifting to Kits is suspicious. So it both saved the scum teammate, and if they were Town, then it was "a wild turn of events" and he has never seen Town kill Town like that before. Lol, ok, Town loves killing Town, but ok.
Chuggs post in #2027 was mentioned by multiple people. Was it weird? I'm not sure, but I'll keep it in mind.
I am going to play a game of "Find the Chat Thieves" in a post here soon, I just want to remind myself by mentioning it here. I think by examining the reactions to Bae's claim, as well as the people she later mentioned having discussed with them about using the cop check on, it could narrow down the list of possible suspects by a shit ton. She seems so sure that they were Town too, so it makes me wonder if it is a widely town read pair.
#2144 and #2172 is where Terra starts his interrogation of Bae, which just felt so fake to me. He's concerned that Bae is worried that the target of her green check would be night killed? Honestly, who cares and what does anyone get out of that continued line of question? Like it's again an example of him using this really specific tone that just makes him come off as very over the top to me, and it reads scummy to me because it makes me think he's trying to seem like he's really into what he's saying, but he's actually not.
The amount of shade that Monkey threw towards Sorian in this day phase is almost immeasurable. I mean, he threw a good amount her way as well, but my god that was something.
Flux is so weird. Maybe him and Brazil are Scum...
SkyOdin and Chuggs might be the Chat Thieves. Making this note based on Sky's posts in #2421, #2428, and #2432.
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Ok, everything else is recent enough that I feel like I remember it. I'm going to go back and read EoD now, and put any notes I have on that down next. I really wasn't reading every post that came in there, I was more worried about whether people were actually going to just do what Sorian said and pile on to us, which obviously I would want to counter with our claim, but that didn't happen so I ended up just yelling at people and looking like I was overreacting to some random votes.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Bleh, actually looking at EoD just gets me frustrated. I feel like I played just terribly there. All I wanted to do was get another wagon going, which seemed like a very Pro-Town idea to me, and by the end of the day there were a bunch of people saying that I was obviously Scum. Jesus fuck.
But ok.
Flux was the first person to call out the "slip"
Then Sorian did it.
Then Brazil apparently was upset that I was trying to start another wagon, because he quoted all my vote posts and said "Jesus Christ, Fanto"
Kyan then implies that you are engaging in some kind of scummy behavior.
Sorian then calls for everyone to switch to you for the "slip"
Chugg says that me "flip flopping around" and your post are things he will remember.
Monkey comes in and says "yeah, what's up with that Zipped post, Sorian, I hate you but I totally agree with you right now!"
Sorian votes for us.
Monkey pings you asking for an explanation for the "slip"
Chugg votes for us
Sorian calls for everyone to move their votes to us.
I say "For fuck's sake, you guys seriously think that was a slip from Zipped?"
Monkey responds to me saying something about FEPs bussing in the last Love Boat game.
Sorian says yes, he thinks it was a "slip"
Flux votes for us, says it would be "unfortunate" if that was a "slip"
Geno says this is a dumb idea, and that wasn't a slip.
Sorian asks for B-Dubs to come vote for us.
FEPs says he doesn't understand the "slip" angle being pushed.
Kyan says he is down with killing us, but not for that.
Pirate Bae says your post was fishy, but isn't sure about the votes on us.
Vincent asks what the "slip" is about.
Sorian explains it.
Geno still doesn't buy it.
Monkey puts out this post about how slips happen, and that Zipped has done it before too.
Monkey posts again saying she agrees that your post was "not good" because of the words you used that could be seen as a "slip"
B-Dubs votes for us.
FEPs gives the correct interpretation of your post, which should be obvious.
Terra agrees that it could have been a "slip"
SkyOdin seems conflicted on it.
Monkey again reiterates she thinks it could be a "slip"
Flux has the weirdest post in the world in #3038
Brazil shades your post.
Sorian says that we are Scum in his last real read and anyone who thinks otherwise is dense.
B-Dubs says that Bae is also Scum with us, and this is 100% like Scum Me.
Sorian, B-Dubs, hopefully you read this later. Hi, Town here, you guys were dead wrong, sorry! :):):):):)
Apollo says this is all feels like an extreme stretch.
Fat4all says that he wouldn't say it's a gotcha moment.
Monkey is all offended that I point out that she has been totally encouraging the idea of this being a slip even though she didn't vote for me.
Brazil has some random shitty scum read that he throws out on me with 9 minutes left in the phase.
This post from Natiko, is it meant to make me think good thoughts about him?
"Zipped thing is whatever, I think the only real slip I've ever seen was bronx in DR3. Every other time that I can recall it was dumb luck or just dumb. Zipped could be scum, but I'd need more than that to vote Fantohead when Fanto seems invested in keeping town from stalling out."
I don't know, he has one of the best reads on the situation outside of FEPs who seemed to have similar thoughts there. Hmm...
Verelios and Brazil both vote for SkyOdin now.
Geno votes for Sorian, says he will go for Dr. Stu tomorrow if Sorian/B-Dubs are Town.
Verelios says he doesn't think it was a slip.
You vote for Sorian.
Vincent votes for us because he doesn't like the Sorian and Dubs vote.
FEPs votes for Sorian.
Bae says she would vote for us, but Malus isn't there to join her.
Reki votes for Sorian.
The day ends.
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I'll think about this some, but that is what happened in the last hour of the day concerning the "slip" and all the takes and votes based on it.
But ok.
Flux was the first person to call out the "slip"
Then Sorian did it.
Then Brazil apparently was upset that I was trying to start another wagon, because he quoted all my vote posts and said "Jesus Christ, Fanto"
Kyan then implies that you are engaging in some kind of scummy behavior.
Sorian then calls for everyone to switch to you for the "slip"
Chugg says that me "flip flopping around" and your post are things he will remember.
Monkey comes in and says "yeah, what's up with that Zipped post, Sorian, I hate you but I totally agree with you right now!"
Sorian votes for us.
Monkey pings you asking for an explanation for the "slip"
Chugg votes for us
Sorian calls for everyone to move their votes to us.
I say "For fuck's sake, you guys seriously think that was a slip from Zipped?"
Monkey responds to me saying something about FEPs bussing in the last Love Boat game.
Sorian says yes, he thinks it was a "slip"
Flux votes for us, says it would be "unfortunate" if that was a "slip"
Geno says this is a dumb idea, and that wasn't a slip.
Sorian asks for B-Dubs to come vote for us.
FEPs says he doesn't understand the "slip" angle being pushed.
Kyan says he is down with killing us, but not for that.
Pirate Bae says your post was fishy, but isn't sure about the votes on us.
Vincent asks what the "slip" is about.
Sorian explains it.
Geno still doesn't buy it.
Monkey puts out this post about how slips happen, and that Zipped has done it before too.
Monkey posts again saying she agrees that your post was "not good" because of the words you used that could be seen as a "slip"
B-Dubs votes for us.
FEPs gives the correct interpretation of your post, which should be obvious.
Terra agrees that it could have been a "slip"
SkyOdin seems conflicted on it.
Monkey again reiterates she thinks it could be a "slip"
Flux has the weirdest post in the world in #3038
Brazil shades your post.
Sorian says that we are Scum in his last real read and anyone who thinks otherwise is dense.
B-Dubs says that Bae is also Scum with us, and this is 100% like Scum Me.
Sorian, B-Dubs, hopefully you read this later. Hi, Town here, you guys were dead wrong, sorry! :):):):):)
Apollo says this is all feels like an extreme stretch.
Fat4all says that he wouldn't say it's a gotcha moment.
Monkey is all offended that I point out that she has been totally encouraging the idea of this being a slip even though she didn't vote for me.
Brazil has some random shitty scum read that he throws out on me with 9 minutes left in the phase.
This post from Natiko, is it meant to make me think good thoughts about him?
"Zipped thing is whatever, I think the only real slip I've ever seen was bronx in DR3. Every other time that I can recall it was dumb luck or just dumb. Zipped could be scum, but I'd need more than that to vote Fantohead when Fanto seems invested in keeping town from stalling out."
I don't know, he has one of the best reads on the situation outside of FEPs who seemed to have similar thoughts there. Hmm...
Verelios and Brazil both vote for SkyOdin now.
Geno votes for Sorian, says he will go for Dr. Stu tomorrow if Sorian/B-Dubs are Town.
Verelios says he doesn't think it was a slip.
You vote for Sorian.
Vincent votes for us because he doesn't like the Sorian and Dubs vote.
FEPs votes for Sorian.
Bae says she would vote for us, but Malus isn't there to join her.
Reki votes for Sorian.
The day ends.
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I'll think about this some, but that is what happened in the last hour of the day concerning the "slip" and all the takes and votes based on it.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok so, some data.
List of people who called the post a slip or voted for us:
Flux - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Sorian - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Chugg - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Monkey - Thought it was a slip, did not vote for us.
Pirate Bae - Thought it was a slip, did not vote for us.
B-Dubs - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Terraforce - Thought it might be a slip, did not vote for us.
Vincent - Didn't seem to think it was a slip, but voted for us instead of Sorian.
Now, that same list but removing Sorian and Dubs since they were Town:
Flux
Chugg
Monkey
Pirate Bae
Terraforce
Vincent
Natiko and Terra seemed to be unaligned there since Natiko thought it was a dumb idea to vote for us, though Terra kept mentioning that he wanted to hear your reaction first and that he'd deal with it tomorrow.
Vincent said he voted for us because he didn't want to go on the Sorian wagon.
Pirate Bae, I'm not sure what made her suddenly want to go after us. I don't think she's town reading me though.
So for the people that were really hard aligned about that being a "slip" at EoD there:
Flux
Chugg
Monkey
Pirate Bae
I feel worst about Monkey and Flux here. Monkey was perfectly fine with keeping that idea alive as long as possible, I'm sure she wouldn't have minded seeing me go like that so she could continue the argument with Sorian for another day. Flux had a really weird post about the whole thing, and he was bringing up Sorian and Monkey and stuff, he just felt super weird during all of that.
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Now, for the other side of the coin.
The people who did not think it was a "slip" or placed votes elsewhere after that discussion began:
Kyan - Voted Sorian, thought we were a fine lynch though, but not for the "slip"
Geno - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Sorian.
FEPs - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Sorian.
Apollo - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted SkyOdin.
Fat4All - Didn't think it seemed like a real slip, didn't vote for anyone.
Natiko - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Donna.
Brazil - Seemed to go back and forth on it being a slip, voted SkyOdin.
Verelios - Didn't think it was a slip, voted SkyOdin.
Reki - Voted Sorian, didn't seem to have an opinion on the slip.
Now this list is kind of interesting. There are those who didn't think it was a slip and voted for Sorian, and those who didn't think it was a slip and voted for SkyOdin.
Didn't think it was a "slip", voted for Sorian:
Kyan
Geno
FEPs
Reki
Didn't think it was a "slip", voted for SkyOdin:
Apollo
Brazil
Verelios
Then the others are Natiko who voted for Donna, and Fat4all who didn't vote for anyone.
If Scum is within this group, I feel worst about the SkyOdin voters I think, as well as Natiko.
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So, I suppose what I am seeing here is that I feel like there could be Scum within the group of:
Monkey/Stu
Brazil/Flux
Verelios/Apollo
Natiko/Terraforce
Those are all some tough reads since they can all appear pretty townie. I am going to have to do some mega reassessments of all of them though and figure out where my thoughts really lie.
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I will be brewing up some really big posts that I will be making for the thread next, so I won't be posting those in here since we can't copy/paste from here to the main thread, but I will post a more formal read list that gives you my final thoughts on where I come down on those players and others.
List of people who called the post a slip or voted for us:
Flux - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Sorian - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Chugg - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Monkey - Thought it was a slip, did not vote for us.
Pirate Bae - Thought it was a slip, did not vote for us.
B-Dubs - Thought it was a slip, voted for us.
Terraforce - Thought it might be a slip, did not vote for us.
Vincent - Didn't seem to think it was a slip, but voted for us instead of Sorian.
Now, that same list but removing Sorian and Dubs since they were Town:
Flux
Chugg
Monkey
Pirate Bae
Terraforce
Vincent
Natiko and Terra seemed to be unaligned there since Natiko thought it was a dumb idea to vote for us, though Terra kept mentioning that he wanted to hear your reaction first and that he'd deal with it tomorrow.
Vincent said he voted for us because he didn't want to go on the Sorian wagon.
Pirate Bae, I'm not sure what made her suddenly want to go after us. I don't think she's town reading me though.
So for the people that were really hard aligned about that being a "slip" at EoD there:
Flux
Chugg
Monkey
Pirate Bae
I feel worst about Monkey and Flux here. Monkey was perfectly fine with keeping that idea alive as long as possible, I'm sure she wouldn't have minded seeing me go like that so she could continue the argument with Sorian for another day. Flux had a really weird post about the whole thing, and he was bringing up Sorian and Monkey and stuff, he just felt super weird during all of that.
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Now, for the other side of the coin.
The people who did not think it was a "slip" or placed votes elsewhere after that discussion began:
Kyan - Voted Sorian, thought we were a fine lynch though, but not for the "slip"
Geno - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Sorian.
FEPs - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Sorian.
Apollo - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted SkyOdin.
Fat4All - Didn't think it seemed like a real slip, didn't vote for anyone.
Natiko - Thought it was not a slip, did not want to lynch us, voted Donna.
Brazil - Seemed to go back and forth on it being a slip, voted SkyOdin.
Verelios - Didn't think it was a slip, voted SkyOdin.
Reki - Voted Sorian, didn't seem to have an opinion on the slip.
Now this list is kind of interesting. There are those who didn't think it was a slip and voted for Sorian, and those who didn't think it was a slip and voted for SkyOdin.
Didn't think it was a "slip", voted for Sorian:
Kyan
Geno
FEPs
Reki
Didn't think it was a "slip", voted for SkyOdin:
Apollo
Brazil
Verelios
Then the others are Natiko who voted for Donna, and Fat4all who didn't vote for anyone.
If Scum is within this group, I feel worst about the SkyOdin voters I think, as well as Natiko.
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So, I suppose what I am seeing here is that I feel like there could be Scum within the group of:
Monkey/Stu
Brazil/Flux
Verelios/Apollo
Natiko/Terraforce
Those are all some tough reads since they can all appear pretty townie. I am going to have to do some mega reassessments of all of them though and figure out where my thoughts really lie.
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I will be brewing up some really big posts that I will be making for the thread next, so I won't be posting those in here since we can't copy/paste from here to the main thread, but I will post a more formal read list that gives you my final thoughts on where I come down on those players and others.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Oh, right I want to do this first, that will be my next post actually:
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, so in post #2830, Pirate Bae tells Natiko that she discussed the following pairs in the chat with the Chat Thieves:
Rac/VA
Stu/Monkey
Sky/Chugg
Stan/FEPs
So if she is being truthful and didn't list the chat pair there, then none of them are the Chat Thieves.
This leaves us with these possibilities for a start:
Verelios/Apollo
Natiko/Terraforce
Brazil/Flux
Geno/Sparks
LP/Coolest
Reki/Xbro
Kyan/Donna
Now, we can narrow this list down a little bit more. Xbro specifically said it is not them after Sorian's guess, so if take that at face value, we can remove them. Natiko and Terra both asked her a lot of questions about this stuff, probably not them.
So that brings us to:
Verelios/Apollo
Brazil/Flux
Geno/Sparks
LP/Coolest
Kyan/Donna
Now let's take a peek at Bae's read list. Who from this list of people is she town reading?
Well, that will make the list look like this:
Kyan/Donna
I will be VERY PUMPED if I got this right by the way lmfao. Should we check Kyan/Donna for movement tonight?
Rac/VA
Stu/Monkey
Sky/Chugg
Stan/FEPs
So if she is being truthful and didn't list the chat pair there, then none of them are the Chat Thieves.
This leaves us with these possibilities for a start:
Verelios/Apollo
Natiko/Terraforce
Brazil/Flux
Geno/Sparks
LP/Coolest
Reki/Xbro
Kyan/Donna
Now, we can narrow this list down a little bit more. Xbro specifically said it is not them after Sorian's guess, so if take that at face value, we can remove them. Natiko and Terra both asked her a lot of questions about this stuff, probably not them.
So that brings us to:
Verelios/Apollo
Brazil/Flux
Geno/Sparks
LP/Coolest
Kyan/Donna
Now let's take a peek at Bae's read list. Who from this list of people is she town reading?
Well, that will make the list look like this:
Kyan/Donna
I will be VERY PUMPED if I got this right by the way lmfao. Should we check Kyan/Donna for movement tonight?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also this is why I wanna be Scum again, I like hunting for shit like this that isn't really scum hunting but I think it's fun to look for lol. We had so many fun theories in the Scum Chat for Conspiracy about roles and shit, that were mostly wrong lol. (Sorry for killing you on N1 in that game by the way, I think that was my idea)
Fanto
Confirmed Town
If you don't get back before actions lock I'll go ahead and just submit it on them.
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I'm working on my post on Monkey/Stu right now, I'm going to start by voting there I think.
I will try to put together a post on Natiko/Terra as well.
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Brazil looks really good to me on a reread, so I'm feeling fine there even though Flux gives me concerns.
Verelios I'm going to wait and see, and also see what we get in terms of movement if that is where we target tonight, but I do want to pressure Apollo to give more reads because she's kind of coasting and she's a sharp player.
I'll have a read list posted in here before the day starts as well so you can see where I'm at.
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I'm working on my post on Monkey/Stu right now, I'm going to start by voting there I think.
I will try to put together a post on Natiko/Terra as well.
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Brazil looks really good to me on a reread, so I'm feeling fine there even though Flux gives me concerns.
Verelios I'm going to wait and see, and also see what we get in terms of movement if that is where we target tonight, but I do want to pressure Apollo to give more reads because she's kind of coasting and she's a sharp player.
I'll have a read list posted in here before the day starts as well so you can see where I'm at.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I don't think I'll get time to draft up a Natiko/Terra post here before the day starts, so I'm probably going to have to work on that during the day instead. This Monkey post I made ended up being over 3000 words and 8 pages in a Word Doc, and I only touched on a few of my points about why I think she's Scum...
I'll get my overall read list out here next though, and then if you haven't checked in yet I'll just go ahead and submit the command on Vere/Apollo.
I'll get my overall read list out here next though, and then if you haven't checked in yet I'll just go ahead and submit the command on Vere/Apollo.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Town:
Claimed cop, claimed green check, and claimed and proven double vote all seem fine as Town to me for now.
Bae/Malus
AB/Fat
Coolest/LP
Lean Town:
Brazil/Flux
Rac/Vincent
Geno/Sparks
FEPs/Stan
And then the rest, from least scummiest to most scummiest:
Sky/Chugg
Kyan/Donna
Vere/Apollo
Reki/Xbro
Natiko/Terraforce
Monkey/Stu
Claimed cop, claimed green check, and claimed and proven double vote all seem fine as Town to me for now.
Bae/Malus
AB/Fat
Coolest/LP
Lean Town:
Brazil/Flux
Rac/Vincent
Geno/Sparks
FEPs/Stan
And then the rest, from least scummiest to most scummiest:
Sky/Chugg
Kyan/Donna
Vere/Apollo
Reki/Xbro
Natiko/Terraforce
Monkey/Stu
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also, just for stuff to speculate on in private, here is a list of the known roles via deaths and the role claims that we have so far.
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Kalor/Kits - Town Vanilla - Died D1
Fran/Fando - Town 1-Shot DayVig - Died N1
Sorian/B-Dubs - Town Vanilla - Died D2
And then of course, we can add ourselves to the confirmed list as well.
Fanto/Zipped - Town Motion Detector - No movement on FEPs/Stan on N1.
For the claimants:
Pirate Bae/Malus - Claimed 1-Shot Cop, softed on D1, full claim D2, green check on AB/Fat from N1
CoolestSpot/LP - Claimed 1-Shot Double Vote on D2, used it on Sorian on D2
And then the two mystery roles:
? - Messenger/Fruit Vendor - CoolestSpot and Z-Beat claimed to have been sent a message on N1.
? (but seriously, it's Kyan/Donna) - Chat Thieves - Pirate Bae and Malus claim that Bae was taken from her chat and put into another one with two people on N1. They know who the Thieves are, but have not yet told us.
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The Chat Thieves are definitely not the towniest of roles in my opinion, but I'm not sure if it's Scum either. Possible Neutral? What's the win con? Breaking up a pair against their will isn't super pro-Town. Now, it could just be a negative utility version of a Gossip role for Town, but something feels fishy to me about it, and Sorian thought so as well.
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Kalor/Kits - Town Vanilla - Died D1
Fran/Fando - Town 1-Shot DayVig - Died N1
Sorian/B-Dubs - Town Vanilla - Died D2
And then of course, we can add ourselves to the confirmed list as well.
Fanto/Zipped - Town Motion Detector - No movement on FEPs/Stan on N1.
For the claimants:
Pirate Bae/Malus - Claimed 1-Shot Cop, softed on D1, full claim D2, green check on AB/Fat from N1
CoolestSpot/LP - Claimed 1-Shot Double Vote on D2, used it on Sorian on D2
And then the two mystery roles:
? - Messenger/Fruit Vendor - CoolestSpot and Z-Beat claimed to have been sent a message on N1.
? (but seriously, it's Kyan/Donna) - Chat Thieves - Pirate Bae and Malus claim that Bae was taken from her chat and put into another one with two people on N1. They know who the Thieves are, but have not yet told us.
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The Chat Thieves are definitely not the towniest of roles in my opinion, but I'm not sure if it's Scum either. Possible Neutral? What's the win con? Breaking up a pair against their will isn't super pro-Town. Now, it could just be a negative utility version of a Gossip role for Town, but something feels fishy to me about it, and Sorian thought so as well.
Zippedpinhead
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Good call on Vere and Apollo. That’s good yo me too.
Scum is so much fun, though I think my personal favorite game was berserk, I was scum recruitable and I knew it day one. So breadcrumbs ahoy, I got recruited and it was a ton of fun
Scum is so much fun, though I think my personal favorite game was berserk, I was scum recruitable and I knew it day one. So breadcrumbs ahoy, I got recruited and it was a ton of fun
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Right on, I'll keep it there then.
And yeah that does sound fun lol. I have yet to see that kind of a Recruitable so far in a game, it's always been that the person who could be recruited didn't know it in the ones I've seen, but I can see how that would be a lot of fun to breadcrumb hints to the Scum team and then have it work out lol.
And yeah that does sound fun lol. I have yet to see that kind of a Recruitable so far in a game, it's always been that the person who could be recruited didn't know it in the ones I've seen, but I can see how that would be a lot of fun to breadcrumb hints to the Scum team and then have it work out lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Quite the start to the day so far lol.
So Sky/Chugg is claiming as the Message Sender.
Monkey/Stu had the same read on Kyan/Donna as the Chat Thieves that I did, but they haven't been confirmed to be the Chat Thieves for sure yet, but it seems like they probably are?
In the world where Monkey and Natiko are both Town, it basically has to be Bae as Scum lying with a Cop claim yet again.
That's where I am right now while I try to put my thoughts together on this shit.
Bleh.
So Sky/Chugg is claiming as the Message Sender.
Monkey/Stu had the same read on Kyan/Donna as the Chat Thieves that I did, but they haven't been confirmed to be the Chat Thieves for sure yet, but it seems like they probably are?
In the world where Monkey and Natiko are both Town, it basically has to be Bae as Scum lying with a Cop claim yet again.
That's where I am right now while I try to put my thoughts together on this shit.
Bleh.
Zippedpinhead
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I agree if monkey and Natiko are scum that leaves the cop claim the odd one out
Zippedpinhead
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If they are town I mean
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm pretty settled on seeing the Bae flip here today actually. It gives me a lot of info, and I think her being Scum could actually blow the game wide open.
I am going to give detailed reads on probably every other player in the game today though, so I'm not just calling it good here. Plus we'll see if Bae or Malus can do anything to make themselves look good, but I doubt it.
I am going to give detailed reads on probably every other player in the game today though, so I'm not just calling it good here. Plus we'll see if Bae or Malus can do anything to make themselves look good, but I doubt it.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think if somehow Bae and Monkey are both Town though, then Natiko becomes the biggest Scum in the room.
I am also starting to get a really paranoid feeling that Chugg is actually Scum here and we would never have found him if he didn't have a partner that we could get a read on too because the role claim could go either way, which is terrifying.
Then I start wondering about what if Vere/Apollo or even FEPs/Stan are Scum here and we still got no motion detected. Could one of them be our direct counter, the elusive Ninja? Did they have a 1-Shot Scum Power, used on the night we didn't target them? Goon who for some reason didn't do the kill because... why? Ohhhhh, maybe a passive power of some kind, like a Bomb? I've seen a Scum Bomb in the last two Bear games so that would not surprise me in the least lol. Godfather maybe? But we might not even have a real Cop, so what's it countering? Either way, there is a chance we can get no motion on Scum, so they aren't green checks, they were just enough for "Not Today" kind of attitudes early on, but now we're going to be getting into the mid-game, they might both still be alive in the coming days, and so we need to challenge those thoughts a bit more.
Just some random thoughts before I go to bed for you to ponder here whenever you get the chance, since that's basically where I'm at right now.
I am also starting to get a really paranoid feeling that Chugg is actually Scum here and we would never have found him if he didn't have a partner that we could get a read on too because the role claim could go either way, which is terrifying.
Then I start wondering about what if Vere/Apollo or even FEPs/Stan are Scum here and we still got no motion detected. Could one of them be our direct counter, the elusive Ninja? Did they have a 1-Shot Scum Power, used on the night we didn't target them? Goon who for some reason didn't do the kill because... why? Ohhhhh, maybe a passive power of some kind, like a Bomb? I've seen a Scum Bomb in the last two Bear games so that would not surprise me in the least lol. Godfather maybe? But we might not even have a real Cop, so what's it countering? Either way, there is a chance we can get no motion on Scum, so they aren't green checks, they were just enough for "Not Today" kind of attitudes early on, but now we're going to be getting into the mid-game, they might both still be alive in the coming days, and so we need to challenge those thoughts a bit more.
Just some random thoughts before I go to bed for you to ponder here whenever you get the chance, since that's basically where I'm at right now.
Zippedpinhead
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Goon’s don’t put in the kill until strongmen and ninja are dead. So that is perfectly reasonable.
Also the ever elusive ninja (our direct counter) could be one of their roles.
They also could be vanilla town.
I think our check is decent, gives us that extra incentive to not vote or vote for a person if we get scum leans or town leans.
Like you said it’s not a greeencheck though
Also the ever elusive ninja (our direct counter) could be one of their roles.
They also could be vanilla town.
I think our check is decent, gives us that extra incentive to not vote or vote for a person if we get scum leans or town leans.
Like you said it’s not a greeencheck though
Zippedpinhead
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I think chugs could be scum too, I’m doing a vote dive with that potential flip flop of votes yesterday.
Because scum knew yesterday was town v town. By throwing shade (and a fair amount of it) on a second town team at the end I day you can control the narrative into the next day as to who is scum and who isn’t.
Because scum knew yesterday was town v town. By throwing shade (and a fair amount of it) on a second town team at the end I day you can control the narrative into the next day as to who is scum and who isn’t.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
As of now, I think I would still want to see the Bae flip today. The problem is my reads are going to change so much I think depending on that flip.
Right now though, if I just step into the world where she is Scum:
Town:
AB/Fat
Monkey/Stu
Natiko/Terra
LP/Coolest
FEPs/Stan
Kyan/Donna
Possible Scum Partners:
Vere/Apollo***
Rac/Vincent*
Geno/Sparks*
Sky/Chugg***
Reki/Xbro**
The stars indicate how likely I would think they are to be partners and roughly what order I would want to go in if right now we found out that Bae was indeed Scum.
Right now though, if I just step into the world where she is Scum:
Town:
AB/Fat
Monkey/Stu
Natiko/Terra
LP/Coolest
FEPs/Stan
Kyan/Donna
Possible Scum Partners:
Vere/Apollo***
Rac/Vincent*
Geno/Sparks*
Sky/Chugg***
Reki/Xbro**
The stars indicate how likely I would think they are to be partners and roughly what order I would want to go in if right now we found out that Bae was indeed Scum.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Wow, so Geno told me he couldn't see his chat with Sparks last night when he was taken by the Thieves, but Bae said yesterday she could see everything Malus was saying in their chat, but couldn't talk to him.
These statements do not align. This is a sign of fuckery, as we say.
These statements do not align. This is a sign of fuckery, as we say.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Fuckery is afoot. That much I am sure of.
I think the obvious thing here to surmise is that Bae is Scum and was still able to read Scum chat, whereas Geno is Town and was unable to read his boat chat. This would make sense I think, wouldn't it?
I don't see how Bae could be telling the full truth about this with what Geno is saying here.
I don't see a reason for Geno to lie about this, he wasn't even trying to take Bae out today. He just accidentally found out that he could counter one of her claims because of something I remembered her saying.
I think the obvious thing here to surmise is that Bae is Scum and was still able to read Scum chat, whereas Geno is Town and was unable to read his boat chat. This would make sense I think, wouldn't it?
I don't see how Bae could be telling the full truth about this with what Geno is saying here.
I don't see a reason for Geno to lie about this, he wasn't even trying to take Bae out today. He just accidentally found out that he could counter one of her claims because of something I remembered her saying.
Zippedpinhead
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This is massive amounts of fuckery!
But how could she know? She couldn’t, must be scum
But how could she know? She couldn’t, must be scum
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think we should probably target Reki/Xbro tonight by the way, just in case I get stolen by the Thieves. I think that would be the best target at this point since Monkey seems pretty sure they should be near the top of the PoE if Bae flips Scum, so we should probably go for that.
If Bae somehow magically flips Town after all of this though, then I don't fucking know lol do whatever you want haha.
If Bae somehow magically flips Town after all of this though, then I don't fucking know lol do whatever you want haha.
Zippedpinhead
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I agree, Reki/xbro is a good candidate. I’ll look to see if we can get information out of anyone else. Does day end stop on Saturday now?
Zippedpinhead
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Yeah central time zone. I am actually going to be driving to saint louis tomorrow, so I’ll be missing day end ( would have nailed the old day end). I’ll get a vote in beforehand
Zippedpinhead
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Loving the gifs BTW
Fanto
Confirmed Town
There's the chance that FEPs/Stan are, but I highly doubt that. Same goes for AB/Fat.
Natiko/Terra would be putting on an Oscar worthy performance if they are Scum.
Kyan/Donna might be Neutral, but probably just Town.
That's about it. Everyone else is is too Town here, I wouldn't consider them until LyLo.
Natiko/Terra would be putting on an Oscar worthy performance if they are Scum.
Kyan/Donna might be Neutral, but probably just Town.
That's about it. Everyone else is is too Town here, I wouldn't consider them until LyLo.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think Reki/Xbro is the best target for us tonight I think. If we detect motion there, and no one steps forward to confirm they targeted them, we can force a claim out of them because them and Vere are at the top of my partner list for Bae/Malus and Monkey has the exact same thoughts.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
There is always the extremely low chance that this is a Grand Scum Plan from Monkey because the 2-shots from the Role Cop were used up, but it would be such a ridiculous gambit that Blargonaut would have to be involved in it somehow, and he isn't here.
If Monkey is alive in LyLo though, I'd consider pulling the trigger depending on who else was there.
If Monkey is alive in LyLo though, I'd consider pulling the trigger depending on who else was there.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, feels good to actually have our possible Scum teams established here going into D4. We had some Towny shit happen on this day, definitely a lot of team work coming together it felt like, dropping old thoughts and realizing what was going on, and then my truth bullet ended up solidifying it all at the end there. Good shit.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm ready to see either the Vere/Apollo or Reki/Xbro flip next.
I think us coming forward with whatever info we get is probably a good idea, but I'll let you weigh in on that too since I haven't been any kind of investigator before so I'm not sure if it's the right call yet.
I think us coming forward with whatever info we get is probably a good idea, but I'll let you weigh in on that too since I haven't been any kind of investigator before so I'm not sure if it's the right call yet.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, I'll take a break now, not really any more immediate thoughts I want to put down.
I will probably read back on some old things later though, look at Vere/Apollo and Reki/Xbro a bunch, maybe look a little into SkyChuggs but that can probably wait for now.
Also I'll just leave this here now because I don't really see a reason why I would suddenly change my mind on this overnight, but if you think a different target would be better let me know.
DETECT: Xbro and Reki
I will probably read back on some old things later though, look at Vere/Apollo and Reki/Xbro a bunch, maybe look a little into SkyChuggs but that can probably wait for now.
Also I'll just leave this here now because I don't really see a reason why I would suddenly change my mind on this overnight, but if you think a different target would be better let me know.
DETECT: Xbro and Reki
Zippedpinhead
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Reki/Xbro is a good call for tonight.
It’s nice to get a win on the board for a day.
Monkey could have thrown them under the bus, but who exactly found the miss. I was under the impression you found the discrepancy and then monkey backed you up.
It’s nice to get a win on the board for a day.
Monkey could have thrown them under the bus, but who exactly found the miss. I was under the impression you found the discrepancy and then monkey backed you up.
Zippedpinhead
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Because if you or someone we are town reading (outside of monkey) did it, and monkey jumped I think that is worthy of keeping at arms length.
Chances are they are spent. Found doctor day 1 and likely didn’t get anything night 2.
Chances are they are spent. Found doctor day 1 and likely didn’t get anything night 2.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
It was an interesting sequence of events, I can go and quote the posts though.
A lot of more posts happened, but those were the main reactions as it happened.
Monkey they came in later and agreed that it seemed to be a major discrepancy. Most then agreed this had to be solved because it seemed like too much fuckery to let go at that point, on top of everything else in Monkey's case against her.
A lot of more posts happened, but those were the main reactions as it happened.
Monkey they came in later and agreed that it seemed to be a major discrepancy. Most then agreed this had to be solved because it seemed like too much fuckery to let go at that point, on top of everything else in Monkey's case against her.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think it would be really strange for Geno to do it in that spot, because he had been scum reading Monkey already.
The only way I see this making sense is in the Grand Scum Plan world where both Monkey and Geno are Scum, and as amazing as it would be, it's not really worth entertaining until another flip or two.
The only way I see this making sense is in the Grand Scum Plan world where both Monkey and Geno are Scum, and as amazing as it would be, it's not really worth entertaining until another flip or two.
Zippedpinhead
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I think it makes a good action for Geno’s team to be town. That’s a pretty big flip, you discovered it (which does give us big town points) and Geno backed it up.
It also makes us a prime target for the evening. I say we come clean if we get another no movement indicator. If we get movement, then we got to make a decision.
It also makes us a prime target for the evening. I say we come clean if we get another no movement indicator. If we get movement, then we got to make a decision.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
If I ever get a Messenger role, I'm just going to send people entire sections of the LiS wiki lol.
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And then another no movement.
So, I think I would like to stay quiet about this stuff, because if either Vere/Apollo or Reki/Xbro are up for the lynch and try to give a claim, we can counter them if they lie about moving on the night we checked them.
Does that sound like a good plan?
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And then another no movement.
So, I think I would like to stay quiet about this stuff, because if either Vere/Apollo or Reki/Xbro are up for the lynch and try to give a claim, we can counter them if they lie about moving on the night we checked them.
Does that sound like a good plan?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just remembered the whole script has been transcribed on the Wiki lol, I'd just send people an entire episode's script.
Zippedpinhead
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Yes, that works very well.
These no movement nights are so weird.
I’m thinking if monkey doesn’t get voted today we do them. Just to see some movement
These no movement nights are so weird.
I’m thinking if monkey doesn’t get voted today we do them. Just to see some movement
Zippedpinhead
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So why are we voting Vere over Xbro today? Because I’m getting all kinds scum vibes from Xbro right now but everyone is voting vere
Fanto
Confirmed Town
You could reread some of Monkey's posts from yesterday, both her and I were trying to figure out a logical Process of Elimination for the Bae Scum Flip. Verelios was super in there, but Reki/Xbro are also likely partners.
I would be fine with either of them getting the vote today.
I would be fine with either of them getting the vote today.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, Apollo just issued some kind of command in the thread, it seems like an Innocent Child-like command of some sort, something that is going to get mod-confirmed at the very least.
This lines up with us getting no movement on them when we checked them on N2 since this appears to be a day ability.
This lines up with us getting no movement on them when we checked them on N2 since this appears to be a day ability.
Zippedpinhead
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Just an FYI, my wife’s grandma died last night so I have been driving all morning to get us home for my mother in law. I’ll be out of pocket for at least the rest of Monday. If you want a replacement that’s ok. I don’t want to hurt your game by me not being here. I should be back and available tomorrow
Zippedpinhead
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Thanks, we made it back and I was on kids duty while my wife and mother in law went to the hospice to pack up everything, then we picked up her uncle from the airport. I’ll try to read through the last few pages and figure out why everyone switched votes
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think my vote will be landing between Xbro/Reki, Stan/FEPs, and AB/Fat today since that is the most likely Scum pool that we have right now to work with.
We'll see how things shake out, but right now I think I still want the Xbro/Reki flip the most. I could be talked into either of the other ones though, so my vote is pretty free today.
We'll see how things shake out, but right now I think I still want the Xbro/Reki flip the most. I could be talked into either of the other ones though, so my vote is pretty free today.
Zippedpinhead
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So why are we trusting natiko’s team and dr monkey’s team now?
Zippedpinhead
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Because I’m nervous about trusting either and both are still on Absolutbro.
Makes me want to jump on your wagon for Reki/xbro
Makes me want to jump on your wagon for Reki/xbro
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Because they seem Town to me here and just every way I look at this game has at least one of them as Town for now.
It depends on future flips if we look there again.
I'm just really bored of the game right now, I put a shit ton of thought into it and am just bored of thinking about it I guess.
There are plenty of Scum worlds that still fit together though, yeah.
It depends on future flips if we look there again.
I'm just really bored of the game right now, I put a shit ton of thought into it and am just bored of thinking about it I guess.
There are plenty of Scum worlds that still fit together though, yeah.
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That’s what I’m feeling too, take a break for a few hours/day or so.
It’s only a game if it’s fun, otherwise it’s a job.
It’s only a game if it’s fun, otherwise it’s a job.
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Sorry, there had been another sentence in there.
I’m feeling the rexi/Xbro vote.
I’m feeling the rexi/Xbro vote.
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Bookie bears...
Bookies are frequently fronted by mafia IRL...
Why are we letting that go?
Bookies are frequently fronted by mafia IRL...
Why are we letting that go?
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I mean they waited until last to make up an ability that doesn’t sound OP, kept their name in case someone lied and is a role cop.
It’s convenient
It’s convenient
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Because I’ll be honest scum having a role cop and town not having a role cop is really suspect...
Fanto
Confirmed Town
In the world where that is a fake claim, I think it's a fake claim to cover for being a JoaT.
Problem: In almost every game I've played, I eventually wind up assuming the Mafia has a JoaT, and they almost never do lol.
I can see it as kind of a backup-esque role in the event that we died early though, since they claim to have won a Tracker shot.
Problem: In almost every game I've played, I eventually wind up assuming the Mafia has a JoaT, and they almost never do lol.
I can see it as kind of a backup-esque role in the event that we died early though, since they claim to have won a Tracker shot.
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I’m also thinking it’s far more likely that we have a JOAT scum member than a straight ninja and straight strongman.
Strongman counters doctor, ninja counters us, JOAT allows them to do that in one role.
Especially if it’s unlimited use, which might be the case because we don’t have a limit, and the only caveat the doctor had was can’t target twice in a row. Now that the dr is gone they can ninja all night.
Might be why scum team is ok with letting Reki/Xbro go (assuming they are scum and a goon). Now that they know who we are and can assume there is not other strongman they are free to ninja forever
Strongman counters doctor, ninja counters us, JOAT allows them to do that in one role.
Especially if it’s unlimited use, which might be the case because we don’t have a limit, and the only caveat the doctor had was can’t target twice in a row. Now that the dr is gone they can ninja all night.
Might be why scum team is ok with letting Reki/Xbro go (assuming they are scum and a goon). Now that they know who we are and can assume there is not other strongman they are free to ninja forever
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I was JOAT scum in Arkham mafia, I guess I am biased. It’s probably not a JOAT, but I still think it is possible that they don’t have a shot counter on their ninja skill. However, if they do it’s in their best interest to kill us. If we die at night vs the celebrities I would hope town would figure that out.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Monkey had a thought that there could be a 2-shot Strongman and 2-Shot Ninja to go along with the 2-Shot Role Cop.
In this world, they used the Strongman on N1 and N2, and they are now effectively a Goon. So the Ninja killed on N3, and possibly have another shot still.
I am thinking this is a decent theory.
If it is an unlimited shot Ninja though to counter us that they have, we might not die at night because they have no fear of being red checked by us.
In this world, they used the Strongman on N1 and N2, and they are now effectively a Goon. So the Ninja killed on N3, and possibly have another shot still.
I am thinking this is a decent theory.
If it is an unlimited shot Ninja though to counter us that they have, we might not die at night because they have no fear of being red checked by us.
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Exactly, even if they haven’t used both strongman kills they have no real use anymore.
I’ll vote Reki/Xbro if I can’t think of something else to try and drum up votes in game, because it’s still valuable information. I’m just wondering if we can get more information elsewhere
I’ll vote Reki/Xbro if I can’t think of something else to try and drum up votes in game, because it’s still valuable information. I’m just wondering if we can get more information elsewhere
Fanto
Confirmed Town
The one enticing thing about an info vote on AB/Fat to me is concluding for certain whether or not the D1 trains were Town/Town or Town/Scum.
I can only really see them as Town/Town when I look at the remaining players, the claims, and who was on which vote, because otherwise there has been massive amounts of bussing going on in this game since D1 lol.
I can only really see them as Town/Town when I look at the remaining players, the claims, and who was on which vote, because otherwise there has been massive amounts of bussing going on in this game since D1 lol.
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In fact... it’s possible there ISNT a strongman at all if there is an unlimited ninja.
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Yeah I always believe day 1 is town town. It’s partly why I hate voting day 1 and do it at the end of day only
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Hear me out. Unlimited ninja is our direct counter, but a pretty much 100% doctor is a pretty good ninja counter too.
We can’t find any ninja, but a ninja who targets a character that doesn’t die, is goin to target them a second time. Which gets us more information when the doctor flips two days after a no-NK day.
Unfortunately scum either found the doctor on the first role cop check or just got plain lucky on their ninja kill that night.
We can’t find any ninja, but a ninja who targets a character that doesn’t die, is goin to target them a second time. Which gets us more information when the doctor flips two days after a no-NK day.
Unfortunately scum either found the doctor on the first role cop check or just got plain lucky on their ninja kill that night.