One Night Ultimate Werewolf XV

Discussion in 'One Night Ultimate Werewolf XV' started by Fireblend, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. TheChuggernaut

    TheChuggernaut I'm always town.

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    So we need Alex to clarify if he was talking about being villager or not if I'm understanding this right. And if he was talking about being a villager then we have to make sure that wasn't an intentional slip by Ynnek to get tanner Ynnek killed. Although Puns seems confident that tanner shouldn't be there. Am I'm reading this right? I have no idea what I'm doing. Puns, is there a reason why you aren't just coming out with a full claim?
     
  2. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    Also, why everyone targeted me?
     
  3. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    If we believe Tearable and Sparks that means that we know the 3 cards in the middle: mason, seer and tanner.

    And that would mean that the Tanner is now in the middle. It would be one less thing to worry about.
     
  4. TheChuggernaut

    TheChuggernaut I'm always town.

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    You want an actual answer? For me it was meta. We have a habit of scum reading each other pretty hard so I figured I would rob you just to cross that off the list and hopefully not have to worry about it. It ended up being a lot more helpful then I expected it to be though, not that I'm complaining.
     
  5. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    I'm the witch

    With that being said, if we believe the troublemaker, and we have no reason to disbelieve fran, Tanner is back in the center and the PI did not investigate and become one b/c it was initially in the center.

    So, PI can still be a werewolf, but not a tanner.
    no, you were revealed to be the seer. that means robber, tanner, and mason are in the middle
     
  6. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    I was talking about when the night started. That would mean that both the wolves and the minion are at play.
     
  7. TearablePuns

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    we need a P.I. claim
     
  8. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    If we believe all the claims so far we have:

    Center:
    Mason
    Robber
    Tanner

    Villager: Ynnek
    Mason: Sparks
    Apprentice Seer: Fran
    Witch: Tearable
    Troublemaker: Faddy
    Drunk: Chuggs
    Insomniac
    Revealer
    Paranormal Investigator

    Dream Wolf
    Minion
    Mystic Wolf

    Players with no claim:

    1. turmoil7 - GMT-3 - he/him
    2. Apopheniac - EST - he/him
    3. Lone_Prodigy - EST - he/him
    6. Alexem - UTC+1 - he/him
    7. Stuart444 - BST - he/him
    9. malus - UTC+2 - he/him
     
  9. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    3 unclaimed townie roles and 6 players without a claim.

    This is when the game starts to be interesting.
     
  10. Dr. Worm

    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    I want to see PI commit before we get more town claims
     
  11. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    Mason

    Can confirm. We're masons together.
     
  12. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    Mmmmm.

    Sparks Is saying that he didn't had a partner.
     
  13. Nomad Sparkster

    Nomad Sparkster Ask me about Buck Bumble

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    True story: I didn't scroll down further down to see who was my partner until I was alerted about it
     
  14. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    Stuart were you the minion?

    Faddy changed you with Alexem. You can just tell us the wolves are and win with town (unless Alexem was a wolf).
     
  15. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    [​IMG]

    So you are confirming Stuart?

    That would mean that we don't know one of the cards in the middle.

    And that Stuart now have Alexem role and Alexem is a mason.

    @Alexem if you were a wolf just tell us so we can lynch Stuart and win this game.
     
  16. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    Mason.

    It's the truth. Partner is Sparks.
     
  17. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    hah. That'd be a crappy way to lose. lol
     
  18. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    Think I'm off to bed, will check in when I wake up, see if we get any more claims.
     
  19. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    I'm an imsoniac I have the same role
     
  20. Dr. Worm

    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    alright, fuck it

    I'm the Revealer, I picked Fran because he was my waifu in LB2 and I trusted him to either be a good townie or screw us as woof/tanner

    was trying to see if Tanner would try to claim, though I guess not even a Tanner would want to touch that
     
  21. malus

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    You are not a witch.
     
  22. Alexem

    Alexem Active Member

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    You're right, it would. Guess where this is going?

    My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.
    [​IMG]
    So, finding myself with a red check that also red checked me and a safe claim that I couldn't verifiy, my plan was to come back in the morning and fake-check a couple of trusted claims. But what's this?
    All being well and good, then, that means I'm the Mason and Stuart's now a woofer, with LP presumably still being the dreaming doggo. Faddy, you've just gone from a Troublemaker to a two-in-one-night cop. Congratulations!
     
  23. malus

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    That's assuming Faddy is telling the truth.
     
  24. TearablePuns

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    Explain
     
  25. malus

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    I am the witch
     
  26. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    Btw, we’re missing a Minion and Mystic Wolf.
     
  27. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    You’ll need to explain more than these short sentences now.
    This is a counter claim and should be taken seriously.

    Are you saying you were a witch formerly? If so, who did you hex?
    Or are you saying you are now a witch?
     
  28. malus

    malus Active Member

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    I was originally a witch and I made LP into a minion.
     
  29. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    Just went through all the ONUW games in the archives and no one has double roles (besides mason ofc) in any of their games.

    So who is what role and what are the center cards?
     
  30. Alexem

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    True, but given the alternative, it's an assumption that I'm willing to make. I know he can't have rolled Dream Wolf, because I saw LP had that before anything changed. If he were the Mystic Wolf, then I can only imagine he would claim swapping one of us if he had checked one of our cards and found the minion - if he'd checked me then he'd have seen that I was a PI and, if what you say is true, then the Minion card would still have been in the middle before you gave it to LP. The only concievable reason that I can think of for him fake-claiming Troublemaker like that would be if he checked my card and was gambling on me checking a Wolf - that would be a hell of a risk to take, I think.
     
  31. Alexem

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    So far, my records look like this:

    1: turmoil7 – CLAIMED HELD CARD: Insomniac
    2: Apopheniac [Dr. Worm] - CLAIMED START CARD: Revealer
    3: Lone_Prodigy - CHECKED START CARD – Dream Wolf / REPORTEDLY CHANGED TO: Minion
    4: TearablePuns - CLAIMED START CARD: Witch
    5: Faddy - CLAIMED START CARD: Troublemaker (switching Alexem and Stuart444)
    6: Alexem - CLAIMED START CARD: Paranormal Investigator / CHANGED TO: Dream Wolf (copy) / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Mason
    7: Stuart444 – CLAIMED START CARD: Mason / BELIEVED NOW HOLDING: Dream Wolf (copy)
    8: ynnek7 - CLAIMED START CARD: Villager
    9: malus - CLAIMED START CARD – Witch (giving LP Minion card)
    10: Funky Dude Sparks [Nomad Sparkster] - CLAIMED START CARD: Mason
    11: Fran - CLAIMED START CARD: Drunk / CONFIRMED AS HOLDING: Apprentice Seer
    12: TheChuggernaut - CLAIMED START CARD: Robber / CLAIMED AS HOLDING: Drunk

    Believed to be in the middle:
    Robber
    Tanner
    Dream Wolf (if Malus' claim is correct)
     
  32. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    Here’s the thing, are center card theory falls apart now b/c of malus’ Claim conflicting with mine.

    I’m the one that confirmed tanner taken from the center and being put back in the center.
    This means that tanner is now back on the table of everyone believes malus.

    I ofc don’t because I know my role is the witch, but I just want you all to know, that’s the new center card situation
     
  33. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    Now we need to find any other green checks, starting from Fran, working our way out so that we can uproot the lies.
     
  34. Alexem

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    That's true. I hate to bring up the old 'Which witch is which?' chestnut, but... yeah.
     
  35. malus

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    You're reason for why he probably isn't a wolf makes sense to me, but I think it's pretty reasonable to give fake swap targets so if one of them was a wolf at the start they would out themselves. But I'm just waiting for Faddy to clear that up.
     
  36. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    That's great.

    Now, @Faddy who did you truly swapped?

    Which card number did you see?
     
  37. Alexem

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    If Faddy really was lying and it turns out I'm still holding that copy of LP's card, you'd all better thank me when you're giving me the silver bullet.
     
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  39. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    Malus smells like a minion.
     
  40. Stuart444

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    Huh, so I may be a wolf now. Welp.
     
  41. TearablePuns

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    If LP dream Wolf this means tanner, robber and mystic are in the center
     
  42. malus

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    how so?

    When Faddy clears up his switch we know one wolf anyway since it's either Alexem or Stuart, unless we want to entertain the possibility that Faddy is a wolf or Alexem is a Tanner, but I doubt either of those possibilities.
     
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    based off IF everyone telling the truth, minus malus:

    Alexem - investigated LP & Alexem became a dream wolf
    Chuggs - robbed Fran. Chuggs became drunk & gave Fran robber role.
    TearablePuns - chose center3=tanner, swapped that role w/ Fran's robber role. Fran became tanner
    Faddy - switched Stu and Alexem, Stu became dream wolf, Alexem became mason
    Fran - swapped tanner with center role & Fran became seer


    After night actions:
    Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
    malus - Minion? Mystic Wolf?
    Stuart444 - Dream Wolf
    Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
    Alexem - Mason
    TheChuggernaut - Drunk
    TearablePuns - Witch
    Faddy - Troublemaker
    Fran - Seer
    turmoil7 - Insomniac
    Apopheniac - Revealer
    Ynnek7 - Villager

    Center Roles: Tanner, Robber, (Mystic Wolf, Minion)?
     
  44. TearablePuns

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    it sounds like you’re covering up for LP.

    I’d like to hear from LP. His role claim is going to contradict someone’s so I’m just waiting for who it will be
     
  45. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    You are protecting someone who were accused of being a wolf. And claiming that he is now a minion to prevent us for voting him.

    Also claiming card 3 is suspicious because Tearable already claimed that card and I didn't counterclaimed him.
     
  46. malus

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    I must have missed where he claimed card 3. Where was that?
     
  47. malus

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    You mean this? I thought that was just him claiming tanner was one of the three center cards.
     
  48. Alexem

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    If I'm reading it correctly, Tearable's claim is that he, as the Witch, took the Tanner card fromt he middle and gave it to Fran. Then, on Fran's turn, he put the Tanner card back in the middle and picked up the Seer card instead.
     
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    Strategy wise, I probably should have kept the card number to myself just in case someone counter claimed me.

    Yes. I don’t think Fran ever said which card he pulled until now unless I missed it yesterday, @Franconp?
     
  50. malus

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    I get that as well. But I didn't read "center3" as "card #3 from the center" but rather as "one of the 3 cards in the center".
     
  51. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    I did what I said.

    I might have lied if either Stuart or alexem claimed. Or there were conflicting claims elsewhere. But nope.

    Now to make sure there is no situation where we are getting screwed.
     
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    What role are you saying I am then
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    For me it is more likely Malus is telling the truth and Tearable is either the Tanner or Mystic Wolf.

    I think it is for sure that minion is in the middle since we aren't getting more than 2 counterclaims.
     
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    You're either a Wolf or the Tanner. As a Tanner you would have hoped for a counter claim, but it seems a bit too blatant. Hiding behind giving Tanner to a confirmed Drunk seems pretty save as a Wolf, though that would mean you are the Mystic Wolf.
     
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    And what would that make the center cards?
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    The way I see it. As long as everyone trusts me we vote for Stuart and win.

    working out what malus, tearable are doing and what LP is going to do is interesting. But at the end of the day we have Alexem outing himself as wolf and I say I switched him with Stuart. Simple.
     
  57. Lone_Prodigy

    Lone_Prodigy Am I at 10 posts yet?

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    If I'm reading this right, vote me to win the game.
     
  58. Lone_Prodigy

    Lone_Prodigy Am I at 10 posts yet?

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    I'm more surprised that someone targeted me.
     
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    Why? Stu got his role rooting from LP if everyone is to be trusted.
    Why wouldn’t LP be the lynch?
     
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    There’s over 24 hours left in the day and we haven’t heard from you, so lunching you is not final.

    What was your original role?
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Malus claims that LP is minion. We should not rely on working out which one of you is lying. It is possible you are both lying.

    I'm an uncounterclaimed troublemaker. Stuart is mechanically confirmed to have been dealt the mason card, impossible for both mason cards to be in the middle. Alexem is CONFIRMED TOWN. There is no reason for him to lie about investigating and becoming a wolf, therefore Stuart is ALWAYS a wolf.
     
  62. Alexem

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    Beacuse depending on who's telling the truth, he might be a Dreamer Wolf or he might be a Minion. If he's the former, he's a fair target - if he's the latter, he's no help to the village unless he's tied for votes with another Wolf.
    Gotcha in here, fam.
     
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    Thats true. Stu would be it atm then
     
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    Seer, Minion and either Tanner or Mystic Wolf
     
  65. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    Can I vote for myself?
     
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    And what are the center cards after night actions?
     
  67. malus

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    But as Faddy said, it doesn't really matter what you really are, since we have a sure target in Stuart.
     
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    Robber, Dream Wolf and either Tanner or Mystic Wolf
     
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    I'm really not sure where you're trying to take this...
     
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    Can we start the voting process tonight? Seems like I am THE target now for people.

    If not then, I'll just be over here... howling.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry, Stuart. Given the circumstances, it was always going to end up being one of us.
     
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    Now that you’ve heard from Faddy, are you fine with lunching Stuart?
     
  73. malus

    malus Active Member

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  74. Fireblend

    Fireblend ABLF

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    Players must vote for another player.
     
  75. turmoil7

    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    If no new info is given and everybody agrees I wouldn't mind having the day phase end early.

    Just one thing, if all of this depends on faddy telling the truth, what guarantee there is that he isn't a dog or tanner who claimed troublemaker but the card was in the center so there is no counterclaim?
     
  76. Franconp

    Franconp Frank

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    I don't think the day can end early.

    And we have only one chance to catch a wolf or we lose. Why would we rush the decision?

    And I think we should lunch LP over Stuart. He seems like a safer choice to me.
     
  77. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Why do you believe Malus is a liar?

    Do you think he is more likely to be a liar than me?
     
  78. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    This means you believe that I’m the witch
     
  79. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    Okay then.

    Guess I'll random it or something haha.
     
  80. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to parse why here...

    I mean Alexem's post way above pretty much states that I must be wolf.
     
  81. Stuart444

    Stuart444 Well-Known Member

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  82. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    Malus' chronology:

    Alexem - investigated LP & Alexem became a dream wolf
    Chuggs - robbed Fran. Chuggs became drunk & gave Fran robber role.
    Malus - swapped LP's dream wolf role w/ center3. LP became Minion.
    Faddy - switched Stu and Alexem, Stu became dream wolf, Alexem became mason
    Fran - swapped robber role with center3. Fran BECOMES dream wolf (CONTRADICTION)

    @malus says we have a sure target in Stu. This means he trusts Faddy. And since Faddy trusts Alexem, Malus also trusts Alexem.

    This means that if we go with Malus' chronology and if he's the witch, when Malus hexed LP, he returned the Dream Wolf back to CENTER CARD 3.
    Thus, when Fran drunkenly selected CENTER CARD 3, he put Robber as CENTER CARD 3, and picked up DREAM WOLLFFFFFF


    Now, @Franconp, i know you've hinted at it already, but we need it official.

    What card number did you select from the center?
     
  83. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    There is an absolutely sick play where I am the mystic wolf and checked Alexem as PI. When Alexem didn't claim I assumed he ran into a wolf.
    Then I just say I am the troublemaker because it creates confusion and picked you at random.
    And now I am pushing people to vote for you instead of my partner LP.
    Malus I would now think is our minion

    So the final cards would look like this

    1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
    2. Apopheniac - Revealer
    3. Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
    4. TearablePuns - Witch
    5. Faddy - Mystic Wolf
    6. Alexem - Wolf
    7. Stuart444 - Mason
    8. Ynnek7 - Villager
    9. malus - Minion
    10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
    11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
    12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

    Middle Cards
    1. Troublemaker
    2. Tanner
    3. Robber
     
  84. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    That isn't what happened though.
     
  85. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Of course i know I am telling the truth and I am more inclined to believe Tearable than Malus so the final card should be this.

    1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
    2. Apopheniac - Revealer
    3. Lone_Prodigy - Dream Wolf
    4. TearablePuns - Witch
    5. Faddy - Troublemaker
    6. Alexem - Mason
    7. Stuart444 - Wolf
    8. Ynnek7 - Villager
    9. malus - Minion
    10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
    11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
    12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

    Middle Cards
    1. Mystic Wolf
    2. Tanner
    3. Robber
     
  86. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    If Fran confirms he selected card 3, that literally green checks me UNLESS LP claims witch, too.

    And if i'm green checked, that means LP would be the person we lynch.
     
  87. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    If we believe Malus however

    1. turmoil7 - Insomniac
    2. Apopheniac - Revealer
    3. Lone_Prodigy - Minion
    4. TearablePuns - Tanner (could be Mystic Wolf)
    5. Faddy - Troublemaker
    6. Alexem - Mason
    7. Stuart444 - Wolf
    8. Ynnek7 - Villager
    9. malus - Witch
    10. Funky Dude Sparks - Mason
    11. Fran - Apprentice Seer
    12. TheChuggernaut - Drunk

    Middle Cards
    1. Mystic Wolf (Could be Tanner)
    2. Dream Wolf
    3. Robber
     
  88. malus

    malus Active Member

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    So which card would you have claimed to have selected?
    Just so we are on the same page.
     
  89. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    How does Fran's choice Green Check you? We know you claimed to swap his role with Tanner and then we know Fran picked up a different card because he is Seer now and not Robber. So therefore it is impossible to confirm you.
     
  90. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    you're right. Fran DIDNT select center card 3. that means i cant be green checked.

    so me and malus still cant be trusted.
     
  91. TheChuggernaut

    TheChuggernaut I'm always town.

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    Walk me through why you think LP is the better choice like I'm dumb.

    The action order is tripping me up lol
     
  92. TearablePuns

    TearablePuns Active Member

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    @Lone_Prodigy
    even after not believing me or malus, LP has yet to claim. everyone else has. that should be a red flag to anyone.

    and i dont want that "LP being LP bs." he was just here. everyone had claimed. he should have too
     
  93. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    LP is the Dream Wolf. Alexem PI'd him.

    We do need to consider if there is a world where Alexem can be the minion. He can't be wolf because he still loses with a Stuart vote.

    If Alexem is minion, then LP can still be Dream wolf and Malus has to be Mystic Wolf.
     
  94. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Scrap that. If Alexem was the minion he is switched and would now be losing with town. NOT A WORLD
     
  95. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    You wanting L_P to be lynched fits with your win con if Malus is the Witch and you are the Mystic Wolf fwiw.
     
  96. TearablePuns

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    And we need to consider a world where you are the Mystic Wolf, @Faddy.
    Just b/c you try that meta stuff, doesnt let you off.

    It's convenient you find out about every role switching role before claiming troublemaker yourself.
    You immediately saw that a seer and revealer in play.
    Then a robber. Then a drunk. Then you saw my claim.

    Then you claimed the last switching role LAST: the Troublemaker.

    Robber, Tanner, and Troublemaker can very well be in the center cards.

    Just throwing that out there
     
  97. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    There is also a world where neither Tearable or Malus is the witch and they are minion and mystic wolf.
     
  98. Faddy

    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    I already said that.
     
  99. TearablePuns

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    I know you did, i literally just acknowledged why it's definitely a possibility. so, we shouldnt try and stop the day and rush to lynch stu

    based off of your word
     
  100. Alexem

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    What about my role? It might not have changed anyone else's cards, but it could - and did - change mine. At the point Faddy claimed, I hadn't claimed PI yet, so he wouldn't have known if the as-yet-unknown PI had added another anti-village role into the mix. I know it's not quite the same angle as you were going for, but it does stand to reason that Wolf!Faddy would have had to consider the possibility of an unknown team-mate.