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Discussion in 'Death Stranding Spectator Thread' started by Natiko, Oct 11, 2019.
I'm enjoying my win and you can do nothing about it
If the packages had been switched up, would I have been able to erase myself?
I would've said the action failed and refunded you your shot.
Kop. Buddy. Please come set us free.
Here we go - I expect this to be a fast turbo.
Slow tie incoming
Ok Town, let's get this win!
So you're telling me Zeke wasn't scum pretending to send messages that nobody got :O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O
That's like the perfect scum fakeclaim
You can do it Fando!
There should be no question about the messages at this point. If you read that and also know no one claimed them..there's really only one answer.
They clearly went to spec chat
Time to use this one again
Coach sub me in
I wonder if they'll give Fando a chance to show up, or if they'll just vote him out as soon as they are both around.
Fando may be able to do this tbh.
Do I sense some frustration from Fando because the marking failed and the game is still going
lol, Fando sounds exhausted. If no one picks up on the scum tell in his latest post, town deserves to lose.
(Though they kind of deserve to lose anyway.)
Emotional tells is something I’ve always struggled with. It can be quite obvious in retrospect.
Another well-deserved victory for town.
I think we can all agree this is about to be one of the weakest, flukiest town wins in awhile. Malus claimed his package contents, why wouldn’t Fand. Blind luck on town’s part that they’re about to squeak out this victory by stumbling onto the right answers for the wrong reasons (multiple times now).
The real victor this game was RNG
Serious post, I think it’s a bit mixed.
In the end town found scum, they got rid of unconfirmable town (kitsune) which helped them find the scum role (malus).
Scum failed at staying alive. If there had been a teammate or two alive Fando is never being found, but on his own it’s much harder to hide. That’s the downside with bussing.
Yeah, I definitely think scum made some missteps along the way that opened up the door for town to win at all. Still though - they had the perfect excuse to vote Malus out with the motion detector info and didn’t. Half their reasoning on Meatwad was due to a fake claim role somehow not making sense even though it’s a completely valid variation of the role. Even now with Fando they had to exhaust virtually all other possibilities to even stumble onto him and still yet half their reasoning is about package results that are 100% truth lol
Edit: Straight up town is about to win because Gorlak didn’t share the full info on his note which is such dumb luck I can’t believe it.
Meat felt like the lynch well before the claim. I really wanted money but alas...
They really about to finally end it when I’m busy lol
Also a serious post, and although anyone can see I'm salty about how this game went since that fateful D3, this is more of a trend that I'm noticing: town is becoming increasingly passive. The outcomes of all of the recent games I've followed hinged entirely on how scum acted, while town just went through the motions. Look at what went down in HvV2 as another recent example of that.
Every lynch in this game was entirely predictable and the result of town going through the path of least resistance. At no point in the game did a townie come forward with a big argument that changed the obvious course of events. Town just shrugged at Monkey's claim. The fact that malus survived through the motion detector results is absurd. Most of the time, and especially against players like Kits, people decided that they had to lynch them before they decided why said players had to be lynched.
The "Fand lied about Kopite's packages" thing I quoted above is another example - not only is it incorrect, but there's no logic behind it. When malus revealed that he got something from the package, that was used as an argument against him. When Fand revealed that he got nothing from the packages, that was also used as an argument against him - even though there's no logical reason for scum to lie about that. It's just a confirmation bias loop.
It's when arguments are afterthoughts that you get things like Fand being blatantly exhausted right now - there's no recourse for the players being aimed at beyond the mere "mechanical" dynamic of mafia when things become like that. It made up for a very frustrating game to read - at no fault of Natiko's, as the game design is pretty unconventional and fun.
The RNG didn't help, but scum is going to lose simply because they ran out of space. None of their multiple actual slips resulted in actual scrutiny from town.
Edit: This may have come off as overly harsh, but I don't think this is anyone in particular's fault, and I'd definitely include myself as part of the problem in the HvV2 example. I just think that town in our community has seen better days in general. It feels like we're all always playing individual games in our own heads more than trying to come together to figure stuff out. It's weird.
On a related note, congrats on being the last lynched scum for like the fourth time, bro :D
I would have been this townie, I swear!
but i failed...................................
It doesn't really help that the better players all kill each other off pretty quickly. That's sort of the downside of mafia in general. People learn who the players who do the sort of thing Brazil wants town to do and make sure they are definitely not alive by the midpoint of the game.
Mafia, at the end of most casual games, is typically won by dumb luck by town. They get a lot of natural advantages and it's really difficult for most scum teams to overcome the odds and last long enough to win.
I've added an edit at the end of that post as I don't want to besmirch anyone's efforts out there. Mafia's a huge commitment for everyone, and my feelings about this particular result should just disregarded by town, who should definitely still be proud of their victory. Not every game will end up with an explosion of epic proportions, hahaha.
I wouldn't say better. I would say often loudest though become targets and their arguments against each other/defenses increase their loudness (I am one of these). Further complicated by the fact that the loudest/heaviest posters tend to play the same as scum as town so it's not really bad to target them but also it ends up bad.
I'd like to see some things that really shake up the meta in terms of mechanics - post caps again, weirder roles, etc. Something that makes us change a little and reconsider events.
Yeah, that's a better adjective, I just threw one out there without thinking about it much.
Changing community meta is always tough, but game runners are creative here, so I'm sure we'll get fun games out of them.
Yeahhhhh. Part of "not having a reason" is why I didn't really fight back against people who wanted to vote me out. You can't logic people out of positions they didn't logic themselves into. Instead I tried to focus elsewhere for a while and it didn't really work out either.
Really, I just hope my town game was okay this time around. I shoulda sniffed out Malus's role on my last Day (not that it'd have done much good lol!)
Man when I signed up for the season replacement list I totally forgot about the fact I wouldn't be able to participate in spec chat :< At least I can catch up now.
Sorry for the massive liking as usual. XD
Lol so far all of my games have had us be private chat buddies so it's going to be REALLY weird when we are in a game and that isn't the case. Hell it'll be weird when i first end up not being in a chat.
Watch us end up in a scum team together one day though LOL.
Thank you thank you very much XD Glad to see I have left an impression on people especially since I've not been able to be chatty due to being on the replacement list. XD
So far I haven't posted in the wrong thread but there have been a few times where i almost have but noticed right at the last moment LOL.
In SU when both my accounts had the same avatar I almost made that mistake almost posting a night chat post for Ket in the main thread during the night phase.
I was convinced Zeke wasn't scum just because it'd make no sense that he'd claim messenger when he had no way of proving someone had gotten said messages. XD Plus he seemed a lot like town Zeke.
If you and Zeke ever end up as masons or lovers you need to go by Zeeks. It'll be great.