Scum Thread Some Real, Evil Weirdos

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  1. Fandorin

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    Meat, can you do the heavy licking on Gorlak then?

    I've crumbed a hide on Kitsu on N1, which is why I had a "solid town read" on her this last phase. If I have to claim, I'll probably say that I was baiting a night kill on me as a doctor while crumbing my hides - since they would whiff on me if I targeted someone town.
     
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    Just to leave it in case Meat doesn't come back:

    LICK: Gorlak
     
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    For Meatwad:
    LICK: Gorlak
     
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    Welp haha. Thanks.
     
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    Fandorin:

    You have received an empty package. Bummer!
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    You have received the following message:

    EzekelRAGE is very powerful
     
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    What is going on lol
     
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    It is a mystery.
     
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    This is the second message regarding VA/Ezekel, and they both seem ominous. I don’t think this involves Monkey’s role since we have zero reasons to doubt her targeting Mao, but I’m thinking VA could be the neutral?

    Those messages don’t seem “typed out” by another player and more like a warning thing sent through Nat.
     
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    Don’t think they come together with this package either, since Nat specifically says who got the item while the message is open ended.

    Weird that we got targeted twice in a row by both actions tho.
     
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    Sorry I’m at work, So wasn’t around to personally switch my action to Gorlak
     
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    Sorry Fanto, I legit forgot you had said this lol
     
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    Some weird shit happening in this game.
    The question is if I was blocked or if something happened with Fran. Could he be a commuter?

    To me those messages sound like someone is baiting us to night kill VA/Zeke. Maybe we could mark them next.

    Why would someone send an empty package? Maybe the content is randomized?
     
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    Or I could red check them tomorrow.
     
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    I think the package is randomized or the sender needs to send a random one.

    I think Fran could be a commuter, yeah.
     
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    Yup, he's a commuter.
     
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    It's funny because I thought about using exactly that strategy, lol.
     
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    Claim list:

    Confirmed Roles:
    turmoil7 - Die-Hardman the Adrenaline Junkie: Survives another day phase when night killed. #502
    KetKat - Naked Norman Reedus the Motion Detector: Is informed how many actions target her during the night. #506
    Maolfunction - CDT6 Operative the Dying: Dies after D4 Hated: Takes one less vote for Turbo. #1180
    Fantomas - Heartman the Loved: Takes one more vote for Turbo. #1183

    Unconfirmed Roles:
    Dr. Monkey - Mama the Spirit Mother: Can ask questions to the other side (dead players). First claimed #508. Further information #620
    Kitsunelaine - Backpack: Detects weird spooky thing. First claimed #623. Investigated Fanto N1 (negative result) #629. Investigated Gorlak N2 (negative result) #1201

    Other claims:
    Gorlak - was marked by a hand print N1#529 #642
    Gorlak - was blocked N2 #1229
    Kopite - was marked N2 #1227
    Kalor - was switched from Vanilla to ??? #1341

    So what we (as scum) know:
    Kitsunelaine - Probably detects Fando
    Fran - Commuter
    Maolfunction - Doomed, switched to Hated
    malus - Eraser
    Fat4all - ???
    Kalor - Vanilla, switched to ???
    Ketkat - Self Watcher
    Vincent Alexander - ???
    Kopite - ???
    turmoil7 - Die Hard
    Meatwad - Roleblocker
    Dr. Monkey - Medium
    Fandorin - Marker
    Gorlak - ??? (active role)
    Fantomas - Loved

    someone gives packages
    someone sends messages into scum chat
    someone switches roles
    Gorlak can't be any of those roles since he was blocked.
     
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    Gorlak knows he was blocked and we had a bunch of other active roles in play last phase. He could be the game's doctor.

    I'm worried VA is some neutral, though I think we are strong enough as a 3-man scum team to consider this too much. Worth noting tho.
     
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    Can we talk through here? I wouldn't mind an extension now, but I don't think we have enough topics to go through for more 24 hours at this point.
     
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    Sure - you can discuss as a team and I'll weigh your decision as three.
     
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    @malus and @briefs_cat , what do you think? I'm afraid an extension can get more people into Meat, but at the same time you could put some thoughts out so we can lead them into Kalor's or Zeke's lynch. Those are our options at the moment.
     
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    Need a decision in the next hour or so as to what you all prefer.
     
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    Well, I’d like an extension, if possible.
     
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    I really want to claim cop now, but I don't know if it would bite us in the ass in the end.
    My plan would be to green check Monkey and say that I targeted Fran last night. At first I thought I was role blocked because of the no result, but Gorlak claiming blocked and Fran asking if he was targeted made me realize he must be a commuter. Since commuters are usually town I would also sort of green check Fran.

    The implication of that would be that the Mao train on D1 was pure. This could take pressure off Meatwad, because why would scum ignore a town wagon when one of them is on the line?

    On the other hand I will not be able to pull off a red check because I would definitely be blocked next night. Unless we perform operation Hydro Cannon and use up my bulletproof, lol.
    And I have a feeling something big is going to go down next day phase with Fat4All hinting at changing when a certain state is met and the role switcher still afoot.
     
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    Also I have a feeling Kalor was the one sending messages. His Vanilla claim is very suspect to me.
     
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    Are you guys okay with me claiming?
    I'm a bit nervous because so far all my scum gambits have gone horribly wrong.
     
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    Phew, sweating blood here, lol.
     
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    lol haha

    I don't think you should now. You have a BP and someone town can maybe confirm this - you can use that and say you were saving your shot for later as you didn't get marked or shot at night.
     
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    Damn, I guess I'll have to claim the vig then. I had already crumbed the Kitsu hide with the protect and signalling that I was baiting a NK on me, but now that's done.
     
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    I don't think this would save Meat, but it can be a good time as any for the claim.
     
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    Well, I'm glad I got janitored already lol

    We probably got the extra kill out as well, which is a small bonus.
     
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    SO! Right now we should figure things out. Do we want the extra kill right now or do we hang on for one more night and actually kill Gorlak this phase? Postponing the double NK would give town some room to breathe and not force mass claim now with so many players alive - it's clear we need to flip someone erased before we are all forced to mass claim. I think I won't be lynched next phase despite probably attracting some attention on the Meat bus.

    I don't think using the erase + red check combo is our best bet now without Meat, so I think we should just use it on someone who's likely to bite soon like Kalor or Zeke. Them not flipping could cause some good confusion for us and mess with voting track. I'll post color coded with our alignments and see what comes off. But considering the above, our kill options I'm considering:

    Go for the extra kill
    We mark Fran or Monkey and NK the KItsu or the unmarked between Fran / Monkey - it's very possible for Fran to be protected this night phase tho and I think we should consider that Monkey is actually a neutral changing roles and making this mess.

    Wait another night and go
    We NK Gorlak and go back a phase with the mark kills - while marking either Fran, Monkey or Kitsu.
     
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    What do you think? I need to come up with a fake claim on the double and I'm not sure where to go to. I'll probably settle with something weird - maybe backup or town copy role? Hell, I don't know.
     
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    I think we should go for the extra kill. The longer we wait the fewer possible mark targets we have and we risk ending up in a situation where our marks get lunched.
    I agree on the red check. I'll probably green check Fat4All for being on the Monkey train.
    Killing Fran will make me look very suspicious on the d1 Mao train so I would rather not kill him right now. I'd mark Fran, kill Monkey and erase Kalor.
     
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    As for your fake claim, universal backup could be fun. This would mean you are now Turmoils die hard role.
     
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    Alright, I agree on this. I'm worried about Kitsu checking me since I think that could be an auto kill, but killing Monkey might be best now.
     
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    Marking Fran could be dangerous though - I'm supposing he could be "mark killed" even if commuting, which would give out the nature of the mark.
     
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    It's probable that town will catch on to that regardless, but still it's something to consider.
     
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    Votecounts with what town knows - with Gorlak as confirmed town because w/e.

    I think we can push a bit on Fran due to the D1 vote, despite the commute claim against Meat. He had a pure wagon on him and was also the only one on the Maol wagon, with Meat as the scum one.
     
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    I think Monkey becomes more dangerous the more dead people there are. Not that I think Meatwad would give us away, but the danger of spec chat figuring stuff out just increased dramatically with him joining. But I agree that Kits checking you would probably end in you being lunched.

    Oh right, I didn't consider that. Though without a vig claim, I think it will be obvious what killed them unless our normal NK is somehow blocked.

    I could also erase Fran, so it looks like he was indeed the scum on the Maol wagon if he is lunched.
     
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    Hummm, this is harder than I thought initially.

    I don't think spec is giving Monkey info though. I don't buy that.

    Erasing Fran could work, but I'm not sure we can actually get him lynched and someone NK'd without a flip would obviously be town anyway. We should aim to lynch the erased person I think.
     
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    I think I'd go:

    KILL: Dr. Monkey
    MARK: Fran
    And erase Kalor like you mentioned after all.
     
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    Alright

    ERASE: Kalor
     
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    Let's hope for no BP with Monkey and pray for the best with Kitsu.
     
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    Ugh, I'm indecisive. Should we kill Kitsu now? What do you think?
     
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    In case you are investigated by Kits you can still claim you just exit the game after marking four people. Then we just have to make sure there are never more than three marks.
     
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    Though I guess that's a pretty transparent claim...
     
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    I don't know. Did Kits leave any hint who she was going to investigate?
     
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    Someone would die with our commands this phase, and either way I'd get lynched if I admitted to that - even if it's not Fran.
     
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    She said she'd go for "town blind spots" based on the day's discussion. I think Meat leaving a giant WIFOM on me with that final vote could get her attention.

    She's pretty carefree with her actions so far, so I'd bet she will investigate either me or Monkey.
     
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    I'll follow your call since I don't think Monkey could be an immediate danger to us.
     
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    Okay. Let's wait one more phase before killing Kits.
    Kits is still convinced she checks for neutrals and the WIFOM doesn't scream neutral to me. I also don't want to confirm Kopite and Fran as town just yet. Once the extra kill happens and no neutral exits it will be obvious anyway.

    I feel like: "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make" :/ I hope I'm not stupid here.
     
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    Hahahha, nah it makes sense. I hadn't thought about the fact that she's still looking for a neutral. Let's hope she checks Monkey or someone else.
     
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    I just hope she doesn't "kill" me just by targetting me, since she'd have another night to find me as the NK should be the last action in the night.
     
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    I don't think that's the case. That would be like a conditional vigilante that only kills if the right target is hit.
     
  61. Natiko

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    You have received the following message:

    I know who you are, and I know who you are aligned with. You have two choices.

    Join me or I let town in on your secret. The choice is yours.

    In your first post of the day mention the color purple, to join me. Mention yellow if you don’t want to join me. If you do the former, we can work together to win. Tell any of your potential partners to mention purple too, so I don’t push a lynch onto them. Choosing the latter does not end well for you.
     
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    lol
     
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    lol, the bluff would have worked better if they had mentioned a name or what our alignment is.

    I guess the sender only knows that their message goes to someone with a non-town alignment. They don't even seem to be aware that the message is posted directly in the night chat and doesn't go to one single person.
     
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    Yeah, they probably don't know we all got these past messages. Is this Monkey's other side? lol
     
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    Lucky for Monkey to leave before she could get killed. Congrats on the win!
     
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    Welp, that's a shame. I really hope Kitsu doesn't get us now tho.
     
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    With regular NKs and the extra mark kill this night, we need 2 more mislynches. I don't think we are at immediate risk this phase - Kalor, I think will be lynched.

    Things get complicated after this though as we narrow it down to Zeke, Kitsu, Fat4All and either Fran/Gorlak or Kopite. Getting Fran or Gorlak out would be best, but there's luck and maybe protection in there. Best case we go into D5 with Zeke, Fat4All and Kopite - which could still be rather tough for us to pull through considering we would also have to full claim.

    While I'm not confident on my own fake claim (Fat4All seems to have softed a backup, Zeke is probably the our secret messanger), I won't flip. I'm worried that if you green check someone else without me flipping people will partner you with your target and lynch you first. At the same time, I'm not sure going the opposite way with full gambit mode is a viable option: I can red check you or vice versa - I'm erased so the fact that you won't be able to prove your check could backfire, still, you've crumbed it already and still have that BP for some good credit.

    I've realized this post is full on paranoia and probably not helpful, but I think we should consider our options throughly.
     
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    My guess for the remaining PRs:

    Fran: Commuter, probably not even-night limited.

    Kalor: Role Thief after conversion from vanilla. Still hasn’t stolen another role.

    Fat4All: some kind of Backup, maybe not the usual “first killed town PR”.

    Kitsu: what she claims, I guess. Very probably there to find me with her investigation role.

    Zeke: weird Gossiper or w/e the hell that role is.

    Kopite: Town Gifter, that sends randomized gifts to target.

    Gorlak: No idea, something active I guess. The doctor maybe?
     
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    I think if I full claim cop we can spin the "only 1 more scum" narrative. Once Kalor dies without flip it could look like he was the weird spooky thing. There also won't be any new marks which would also make it more believable. If they instead lunch me, you should still be save.
    Also I can't wait much longer to claim or it will look very suspicious.
     
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    Just realized that Kalor got his role switched and can't be the marker. This sucks.
     
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    Town have zero way of confirming that, no? We won’t mark anyone else either, so it could pass off as him doing it.
     
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    Like, if he had actually “lost” his scum role as the marker despite whatever else he did get.
     
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    Didn’t see you had claimed. I think 2 shot cop is already too much malus, so you’re alright with that. No need to deviate from the fake claim I think.
     
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    Checked and I was wrong. Fake claim is an unlimited cop afte rall. Regardless, I think being a 2-shot cop is ideal and something you should think about when posting - anymore and we're fucked and you would actually be too OP for this especially with Kitsu in the game.

    malus, if we pull off this phase with the Kalor lynch + NK + Marked Kill, I think you can also motion that you got your BP hit the next phase. Someone town would vouch for you and we'd gain some credit with that.
     
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    I'll be a bit pushy on your claim, but it looks like it will stand.
     
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    Welp, we got fucked.
     
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    I was going to claim limited shots anyway. Just looking like I'm baiting the NK.
     
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    lol
     
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    Also there goes the universal backup claim. Maybe you could reconsider the vigilante claim after all.
     
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    It would be sus as fuck. I'll come up with something other than that and claim early next phase... I think?
     
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    Yup. Kopite is the gifter.
     
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    He's refusing to believe he gave out a BP to you lol
     
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    I feel bad for Kits. :(
    But she should really look at the evidence. Her role is in conflict with mine and Fat4All said I couldn't have targeted him. There's really only one valid conclusion.
     
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    Yeah, town is towning on this. I’m trying not to talk too much about this but unfortunately it’s the only topic going on right now.
     
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    That's goddamn good.
     
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    Damn, I just can't not vote scum. I'm like the ultimate bus driver.

    But anyway, that was great. Didn't thing we would get Kitsu out like this.
     
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    "Town gonna town" - spec chat probably

    I don't know how I survived that day phase.
     
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    Maybe if I finally win as scum this game people will pay attention to my bus votes lol
     
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    Damn, I got invited to a gossip chat with Doggo. Guess that's what he got turned to - I'll need to come up with a claim ASAP I guess.
     
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    Goddamn me holy shit. I slipped hard here hahah.

    Praying hard no one realizes this.
     
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    malus we gotta talk about this lol

    I’m pretty sure Kopite is the gifter like I talked about below.
    I’m pretty sure that I was right about this list and that Gorlak is the doctor.

    Kopite is the most probable one to catch my slip + he’s the one only that knows you’re the other person he sent a package to. If he shares that next phase, this could really fuck us up so I think we NEED to kill him this phase, even though he’s already marked which means we would have a 1/3 chance of wasting our extra kill for “double killing” him.

    If he wakes up dead, you just keep quiet about the package and don’t share that information at all. If shit hits the fan and someone picks on that, I’d still be able to say I just misremembered or phrased it badly, but not confident at all that would stick.

    I’m really sorry for the clutch!

    What do you think?
     
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    lol, I noticed that.

    I'm not sure if killing Kopite is really necessary. If you look at the last day phase I think they would believe it if you said you just misremembered, but I've made wrong calls before so there's that.
    The problem with killing Kopite is, if we do hit that 1/3 chance we will need an additional mislunch to win. If all our kills go through we will be at 6-2 tomorrow and then 4-2 the next day phase which is MYLO. If one of our kills is blocked we will only be at 7-2 and 5-2 respectively and we will additionally have to go through a 3-2 day phase.

    Also about Gorlak being a doctor: Do you get informed if you're role blocked in that case?

    By the way @Natiko: If Fando marked someone tonight, would they be considered for the random kill as well?
     
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    I hadn’t thought about marking someone else to increase the odds, hopefully we can do that.

    My main issue is that we will have to mass claim tomorrow and mine sucks, and if I’m lynched with Kopite alive he’ll force you to say you got a package and then anyone who catches that slip would end us.

    About my fake claim specifically, I went through Pedro’s game data for some credible fake claim (yes, I’m that desperate) and found this Naminé role from Bear’s Kingdom Hearts Mafia which just gives me the power to vote from the grave for one phase after I die. I’ll claim Generic Soldier Something and just call it that. It’s not the worst claim, but it’s nothing special. Unfortunately nothing else I found would stick, like Sleepwalker which would only make sense if I had claimed as well after Fat claimed only a single visit on him.

    But about your count, if all our kills go through we will actually be on MYLO this next phase: we will be at 4Town / 2Scum on D5, and another myslunch + kill would end the game with 2Town / 2Scum on D6.
     
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    On Gorlak, I’ve seen doctors get notified about roleblocks, and maybe he was on Fantomas on N2. It’s also possible that he protected Monkey on N3 too and caused the NK’less night.
     
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    We should also consider that Gorlak maybe got a 1-shot kill with his package, if Kopite’s role is more like an Inventor. This would fit as 2 protective roles would be too strong for a game this size + to factor in the chance that scum can get an useless BP like we did.

    Hopefully he doesn’t shoot me in the face with it if he did.
     
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    No, the PM explicitly says one of the three will die. Sorry friends.
     
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