Scum Thread The Rise of Capitalism

Maolfunction

Maolfunction

yeah, I might be targeted for an investigation, but it doesn't really matter without a cure, I'm dead anyway and I need to be targeted for that, so I can't be switched.

Maybe switch Reki with someone on the off chance they get the investigation.

Strong killing Fire sounds like a plan to me.
 
Reki

Reki

I believe we should organize fake claims. We'll need convincing stuff pretty soon with the heat we'll be getting, and an early and planned claim is better than rushing one later. From the names - so we don't repeat - to the roles, keeping in mind that this is a normal setup.

Do you know about SV? I'd be willing to bet at least a few of the roles are super connected to the flavor.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

I've not played it, super not gonna be helpful there. You can just claim town Tracker, not too difficult to do.

I still feel comfortable claiming Cop, but not sure who my targets will be now. I said I'd investigate Z Beat in thread just now, think there's any value in faking a red check on one of them? Not sure I have any credibility now that people would buy a Cop claim now, lol.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Maolfunction said:
I've not played it, super not gonna be helpful there. You can just claim town Tracker, not too difficult to do.

I still feel comfortable claiming Cop, but not sure who my targets will be now. I said I'd investigate Z Beat in thread just now, think there's any value in faking a red check on one of them? Not sure I have any credibility now that people would buy a Cop claim now, lol.
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You could, as a kind of gotcha plausible deniability just in case you don't get cured.
 
Reki

Reki

Yeah that's a gambit Mao, people will doubt everything you do for a while. As a regular cop, I'd save it under the argument that you haven't found a red check yet only if you somehow get cured.

Commuter sounds pretty good! I could corroborate with the Tracker claim, but maybe that could tie us too much?

Reading through these now;
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Alex
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Elliott
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Emily
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Haley

But. If a town-aligned Tracker gets replaced, does the replacement get the earlier results too, right?
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Reki said:
Yeah that's a gambit Mao, people will doubt everything you do for a while. As a regular cop, I'd save it under the argument that you haven't found a red check yet only if you somehow get cured.

Commuter sounds pretty good! I could corroborate with the Tracker claim, but maybe that could tie us too much?

Reading through these now;
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Alex
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Elliott
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Emily
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Haley

But. If a town-aligned Tracker gets replaced, does the replacement get the earlier results too, right?
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They should, yes. Role would be severely hampered otherwise
 
Reki

Reki

Sounds alright.

But both a Cop and a Tracker sound like a bit too much in a normal setup. We may need to argue with those claims Mao.

Maolfunction said:
We should track VA then?
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He hinted at something but then kind of retracted a bit.

Vincent Alexander said:
I have my reasons for not wanting to vote LP today, though they may prove unfounded. We'll see what the farm looks like tomorrow after the sun rises.
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It almost sounds... like a Tracker.

It's still the best choice in my mind though.
 
Reki

Reki

Verelios said:
Hmmm, yeah, that's fine. Who do you guys feel like switching?
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If there was a Vig, would they target any of us? The most likely would be Mao, but switching there would ruin the chance of being cured, so we can't do that.

Considering the Poison stuff probably comes from a neutral, a Vig could be too much extra kills though.

So what do we want to avoid. Being investigated - again, we can't target Mao though - or a protective role. But we'll be strongshooting anyways. So I have no idea.

I'm starting to get wary. The strongshots are to circumvent protection. But why a Switcher? The non-town variant is not that common in standard setups. Some consider it bastard. Are we supposed to avoid investigation with your shots then?

heymonkey said:
About the results? yes, replacements get the information their predecessors had.
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Thank you!
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

I'm thinking the switcher is a counter to an investigative role of some type, yeah. But I'm not sure how strong a role it may be. Could be a Cop, but also something like a Watcher.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Hmmm, how do you feel about switching me or Reki with say LP or Z-beat? I don't think town has a vig, or at least hope not.
 
Reki

Reki

That sounds fine to interfere with investigations, yeah. It'd be funny if town has a Rolecop and claims get all messy.

I'll put this here, we can change it anyways.

Track: Vincent Alexander

Now, to justify it for later...
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

God, Blarg, you'd be much better off if you just didn't say anything. I'm not poisoned, guys. It was a fake message crafted by Blarg, apparently. So that means I can be switched.

Fuck me, would have played today so much differently if I had had an inkling of reason to believe shenanigans was happening in a normal game.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

OK, I'm not in a great position, but I'm better off than I was when I thought I was definitely gonna be dead.

So nix me claiming anything at all. I think the best course of action is for me to claim vanilla. When I use my last Strong Kill (assuming I can work a miracle and not get lunched tomorrow) I should be switched again and then I'll be good to be targeted by any potential Trackers, Watchers, what have you freely as long as Vere does the kill.

You two better distance yourselves from me, we're already up shit creek being stacked on wagons and that push yesterday on LP is super blatant. I'll just fight for my life against the world. LP still looks shitty even after Kalor's flip, and Z-Beat doesn't look too great either. And the inactives are always a good target. Stan, Neon, see if we can get any pressure on them.

We got played, but I don't think we're done just yet if we play well.
 
Reki

Reki

Yeah Blarg played us. He is good. We could play nice with Stan and argue that town gambits are always high risk - had he not claimed, a doc could have protected him instead of the Lovers - but we'll probably need a nk with him. Same with fep, he is unlunchable now.

Whatever happens they'll need a few phases to kill us all so there's a bit of time to pull off stuff.

The Cop claim was good for wifoming after your flip but yeah, Vanilla sounds ok.

I'll take Alex as the claim. He has a dog, Dusty, that can explain the tracking, even if lazy.

Also getting some heat but won't answer openly unless I'm asked stuff.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Hmmmm, so VA might have been bsing, he's an X shot, or Reki was blocked.

What message would we get if we get RBed?
 
Reki

Reki

The Roleblocker is already out, are you thinking of something like a JOAT or a Backup?

To me it seems like he was baiting. But why would he ask for protection then, it could be a waste of a doc's protection.
 
Reki

Reki

Yeah that could be it. Then there's the chance that it was LP who visited VA. Like a Fruit Vendor or something.

Isn't there a role that can get the results from other players? A bit too much of a coincidence that he has something on LP, same target of the Tracking N1. Then again, that would be an unusual PR for a normal setup.

What do we do if the day starts with a red check on Vere or me? Soulless bussing to turbo?
 
Reki

Reki

If there's a red check we could as well counter claim with a couple green checks to introduce some WIFOM later.

Verelios said:
Well, didn't we track LP D1 and it came up no movement?
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Yeah but VA said "We can leave LP for later." or something along those lines. He could have a clue that isn't definitive. Like a No Movement.

There could be a turbo, huh.
 
Reki

Reki

Nice! Out of curiosity, what does the message say?

Things are a bit quiet, I'd say we could control the conversation with some prodding/re-reads. Working on Stan right now.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Don't mind at all, tear it apart if necessary. You can even run with Wee's JOAT (Jack of all trades) to refute me.
 
Reki

Reki

I was preparing for a Stan vote, but if we get more heated I could justify voting you. Also

Blargonaut said:
I'm also not allowed to divulge in the message my Role or anyone else's Role-info if I were to somehow officially come across such Role-info.

But how I could possibly do so without the apparent existence of any 1-shot gifts or other Messengers is beyond me
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Stantastic said:
Maybe one of those roles that send there redults to someobe else?
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Is what I was thinking before. Which could be connected to this comment;

flatearthpandas said:
I can confirm one role, but gonna sit on it for right now
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fep activated the open night chat. This sounds like he either is a JOAT or someone else sent him something.

There could be a Loud player too.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

This wounded dog act I'm putting on feels so strange to me too. I've never played scum where this act has actually worked out for me, real curious to see how far it can take me. Can't be that far, but it looks like it's gotten me through this phase at least.

Wonder if we can pocket Chuggs at all, would like to maybe get the game down to the people who are suspicious of Blarg still.

Also thinking we kill wee tonight at this point. Want to start getting rid of people who are good at game solving now.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Well, let's not get crazy. It's probably for the best that we keep a low profile for a while if we live through today.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

yes, true, considering how many people are left in this game, keeping low is a great idea. just need to get rid of the people who suspect us most.
 
Reki

Reki

I'm going to suggest to spread the votes a bit more to have competing wagons and good records to analyze tomorrow.

I'd suggest you don't follow my suggestion Maol, that "I feel good about Reki now." line is still too recent and it would look like too much.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Reki said:
I'm going to suggest to spread the votes a bit more to have competing wagons and good records to analyze tomorrow.

I'd suggest you don't follow my suggestion Maol, that "I feel good about Reki now." line is still too recent and it would look like too much.
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I'm not planning on following you with Stan. Wouldn't make sense, I've been keeping him null to town lean on him.

I'm really just trying to reinforce what other people are thinking and saying without going too far into a danger zone at the moment.

Also

Blargonaut said:
Because everyone biught into his not having fun woe and theyr all pity him after what Id id and how he reacted
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He's not wrong, lol.
 
Reki

Reki

Yeah that's fair Maol, you're in a way better place now so your act/echoing is working.

Vere I love your posts, so much stuff to comment but don't know if I'll make it in time.

But I'm in a weird spot since our exchange yesterday would make a vote for you more reasonable than one for malus, but this could swing at any minute. So I rather wait off-wagon for a bit.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

yeah, I don't think you should vote for Malus, Reki. It'd stand out too much considering the back and forth you had with Vere earlier.

I'm gonna have to probably start bussing you tomorrow, Vere. But depending on how Z Beat votes, I may be able to push him harder
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Alright, time for a galaxy brained move. What if I switch to you, Vere. I think Tearable and maybe Blarg will vote you because of my vote on malus.

its also a move that'll look townie as hell if it doesn't get people to flip
 
Reki

Reki

Wasn't your last stance on Vere that he wasn't super present/done much of note for you to notice? It could feel a bit fabricated.
 
Verelios

Verelios

Were-elios
Hmmm, that's also a good point. What was your stance on Malus, Maol? You could say you dislike me more if you weren't critical of them.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

So, who we thinking for a kill, Reki? There's so many potential targets, lol. Malus is about to be basically confirmed town with that claim, FEP is basically confirmed with that night chat ability. Aeleus has been hinting a PR very strongly, but they seem to not be zeroed in on us. Chuggs is friendly towards us so far. wee is a wildcard.

Who am I missing? Most of the game thinks Blarg is town. VA has looked townie all game. Who do we take out? I'm leaning on Aeleus or Malus, just because I don't know what their roles can do to us, but honestly it feels like we've got half the remaining game against us still, so I'm open to lots of ideas.
 
Reki

Reki

Maolfunction said:
So, who we thinking for a kill, Reki? There's so many potential targets, lol. Malus is about to be basically confirmed town with that claim, FEP is basically confirmed with that night chat ability. Aeleus has been hinting a PR very strongly, but they seem to not be zeroed in on us. Chuggs is friendly towards us so far. wee is a wildcard.

Who am I missing? Most of the game thinks Blarg is town. VA has looked townie all game. Who do we take out? I'm leaning on Aeleus or Malus, just because I don't know what their roles can do to us, but honestly it feels like we've got half the remaining game against us still, so I'm open to lots of ideas.
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Malus or fep are the natural targets in my mind, to reduce the confirmed town pool. I feel the latter would be easier to trick into siding with us, killing malus would be a nice little moral victory after that EoD, and we still don't know if those items are dangerous for us. I'd miss the graphs though.

Aeleus may be baiting a NK because he has a BP Vest or is a Bomb, so I wouldn't touch them just yet. It may be just a bluff though, but there're too many unknowns for that shot to be safe. They'll be pressured into full-claiming eventually, quite a few players stated suspicion there.

If we want to go for good game-solvers, wee or LP would be pretty nice targets. Maybe add Tearable, but that would be too obvious considering his stance on us both.

Other players like VA, Stan, Blarg, Chuggs or Neon are somewhat indecisive or could be convinced with some of our arguments despite the cases against us, so I wouldn't look there.

Z-Beat and Razmos could get some heat next phase, wouldn't kill one of them either.

So I'd go for malus, wee or LP. Fake edit: didn't the latter receive some critics lately? He's been also a big proponent of the "Mafia wouldn't be so stacked.", so there's that. Malus or wee then, in my opinion.

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If I somehow have some time before day start I was thinking of making a post about the player we're gonna kill, just for the "Well thank you baddies, why did I even bother.". Would that read too artificial?

Also, who do you want to track? I'd like to pick a target that a town player would choose, but I have little idea outside of us.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Well, Malus was one of my leans, so I wouldn't mind killing him. I too will miss the graphs, tho.

As for a track target, maybe Z-Beat? I feel like there's still a little residual suspicion of him floating around.

If we kill Malus though, what were you thinking of writing about them? Other than the fact that his claim is basically a green check, there's not much to pull from him considering both Vere and Aeleus have pulled most of his posts.
 
Reki

Reki

Would a Doc protect Malus? We could risk using a normal kill depending on this, to save the other shot for later.

Z-Beat is a good idea, to clear why didn't he receive a thing two nights in a row. Maybe a Commuter?

And you're right, there's little to say about Malus after that EoD that wouldn't look redundant or opportunistic, I'll leave that for another time.

One extra note, do you think there could be Neighbors? Stan used the word twice in a row and it kind of makes sense with the theme. I'm thinking of SU, where Monkey put two different variations of town-aligned Lovers.

Or just disregard, baseless speculation won't lead anywhere.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Reki said:
Would a Doc protect Malus? We could risk using a normal kill depending on this, to save the other shot for later.

Z-Beat is a good idea, to clear why didn't he receive a thing two nights in a row. Maybe a Commuter?

And you're right, there's little to say about Malus after that EoD that wouldn't look redundant or opportunistic, I'll leave that for another time.

One extra note, do you think there could be Neighbors? Stan used the word twice in a row and it kind of makes sense with the theme. I'm thinking of SU, where Monkey put two different variations of town-aligned Lovers.

Or just disregard, baseless speculation won't lead anywhere.
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It's gonna be a toss up. The prudent play is to go ahead and use the Strong Kill to guarantee a kill. We've taken a lot of risks as it is, do we take another one with Malus? I feel like our luck has to turn eventually, I wouldn't mind holding the strong kill for another night if I make it to another one.

There could be neighbors, wouldn't be surprised with the flavor, but probably not worth speculating on. we've got enough concrete things to juggle, lol.
 
Reki

Reki

Yeah, maybe prudent is the way to go in this scenario. Also;

Track: Z-Beat

Reki said:
Aeleus may be baiting a NK because he
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Just caught this, which is frustrating because I've been checking the tab and the following two mentions were right.

I'm extremely sorry Aeleus, won't happen again.

If this plus my low-post count D2 merits mod action, please go ahead.
 
Reki

Reki

I received a highlighted message stating that Stan says that he is town aligned.

Which is funny because with the tag the mod could be only confirming that Stan says that. If I was town the dilemma would be the end of me.

Did you get anything?
 
Reki

Reki

I'll be probably gearing up for a vote on you early tomorrow, does that sound ok? Just read your post too, please just answer when you're able to.

Also getting wary of VA, he's sounding extremely confident in his reads by normal VA standards. That could be our missing investigative role.

Just for the record, Blarg, TP, you've been pretty good this game.

Blargonaut said:
We're missing a Town or a Mafia Tracker here
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Maolfunction

Maolfunction

That's fine. I just got back home from a long night out and my only really question is how the hell did the thread devolve into D&D discussion.

I'm equally ready to kill VA.
 
Reki

Reki

Hope you had fun!

Sure, I'd like a surprise kill tonight instead of going the obvious route once again. Let's bring in some confusion so unlikely theories start to emerge.

Neon seems like a viable candidate after that LP post, shame it came just after I voted. I don't want to get hyped though, it was the same the last two EoDs.

The Razmos BP is probably a Blarg thing, if there's no highlight tag. For a second I thought there could be a Smith instead of a Doc and that's what the Strong shots were for, but that red color is really important with night notifications it seems.

Neon softed commuter too.

Verelios said:
That's majority. I'm an even night commuter.
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NeonBorealis said:
... huh. Didn't catch that on my first read of the EOD.

Life is funny that way.
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And let me get a bit corny for posterity here, but it's so weird to lie to you all folks. Playing as a baddie feels like an spectator commenting on how bad your overthinking of stuff is and just pushing you into following the simplest explanations.

And feeling guilty at an screaming fruit town-reading you.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

I'm sure Blarg is lying about not sending Razmos that message. Good catch on Neon too, that certaintly looks like a soft claim in retrospective.

And yeah, playing scum is always kind of weird like that. I feel like I've done some really shitty things to people I like just for a slim shot at winning, just because of the level of manipulation that can happen.
 
Reki

Reki

Yay! So happy right now.

(Not for your death, Neon, please don't take it personal)

Hopefully this will lower the chances of them just turboing us tomorrow, and town could be a bit more lost on how close they are to actually solving the game by second guessing their reads.

Players like Razmos could get some heat for that turbo too.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

So, kill VA tonight, and maybe you track Stan or Aeleus?

With VA out of the way, town's about to lose one of their strongest leaders. TP would be next, I think, but his stubborn headedness doesn't seem to be swinging people towards me. We also have to remembertto get rid of LP at some point. He can swing games at the end by putting the puzzle together. If we can get through another phase or two, town will become really directionless I feel.
 
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