Spectator Thread Airplane! Watch Party

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Ok

I didn't expect Chuggs to be scum before Muffin, I was atonished at the hammer and more at the flip
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Is there anyone who would like to keep the spoilers?

So the last scum is Geno, right?

He has to mislunch three unconfirmed townies and night kill the two confirmed ones

I think it can go either way

Royal would be low hanging fruit, then Muffin and Fireblend would be the last one, I think

Unless he can make town feel paranoid about Ynnek but I doubt that will happen
 

heymonkey

yesssss my guinea pigs
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Is there anyone who would like to keep the spoilers?

So the last scum is Geno, right?

He has to mislunch three unconfirmed townies and night kill the two confirmed ones

I think it can go either way

Royal would be low hanging fruit, then Muffin and Fireblend would be the last one, I think

Unless he can make town feel paranoid about Ynnek but I doubt that will happen
The problem town faces, as usual, is one of reassessment. They have classified the last scum as town, he has bussed, and so unless they start really looking around, he has a chance to make it. Here are the big signs of his identity, though:

As mentioned, his reaction in gossip chat should have been a BIG RED FLAG.

The continual repetition that the scum team was "really bad," especially after Chuggs and Kalor flipped. Obviously they are not "really bad." No one in the game was really bad, in fact. Hammering on that narrative should be suspect at the best of times; it's just weird, and so you gotta trace the motivation for such a statement.

There were a couple of other things but I'd have to look back at the thread to remember (there was one conversation that I thought was really obvious). They should look at everyone who pushed Kalor, though.

Here's what's in his favor:

Immediately jumped from Kalor to Chuggs. And I fear that's all they'll remember.

I think scum has a good chance to pull it off. But on the other hand... (next post)
 

heymonkey

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Spoilers for remaining roles, death, etc.

Cappa dies tonight, which leaves:
Sneeks
Muffin
Fran
Flush
Febe
Ynnek

Sneeks is obviously town. Muffin is the gossip, but Sneeks isn't convinced that makes him town. The rest are vanilla.

Geno is not planning to kill Sneeks at this time because she townreads him, so he's gonna gamble on going into f3 with Sneeks and one other.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Spoilers for remaining roles, death, etc.

Cappa dies tonight, which leaves:
Sneeks
Muffin
Fran
Flush
Febe
Ynnek

Sneeks is obviously town. Muffin is the gossip, but Sneeks isn't convinced that makes him town. The rest are vanilla.

Geno is not planning to kill Sneeks at this time because she townreads him, so he's gonna gamble on going into f3 with Sneeks and one other.
Final 3 with a confirmed townie when he can kill her along the way?

Really don't get the rationale for that
 

TheChuggernaut

I'm always town.
I told him shoot for Fran and Flush as the final three, I think there’s a pretty good chance Neeks realizes she’s being played if she’s still alive at that point.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
So what's the element we haven't seen so far? If I haven't missed something I think all the roles are things already seen

Unless we are supposed to wait for it some longer
 
All caught up and spoiled now! Hate you Chuggs, had you as town earlier in the game, liked your reads, Fanto won that one. And I didn't suspect Kalor either, you had me fooled too.

Geno has a chance, and I don't think it's that low. The couple things Monkey mentions may look a bit odd but I don't think anyone could take those and be completely sure of a mafia!Geno read when you've got more suspicious alternatives at hand. That overreaction Fanto pointed at earlier was weird but Geno had a sweet game so far - outside of losing two teammates in one phase I guess -.

Sawneeks has been amazing to read this time, what an incredible performance. She would probably rethink her stance on Geno on the final days too - especially after a couple more town flips - but you gotta respect that gambit. The problem being that he could end with another good player like Fran, and that'd be an uphill battle.

It also seems like there're few vanillas in here, expected a bit more in a Normal setup - Flush was surprised too IIRC? - but it's more exciting this way! On that note I'm loving the tweaks to the usual roles, balancing town's investigative power for example in a more comprehensive way than just in a 1v1 approach is fun.

Question though; there're quite a few extra chances at flips - and a neutral that could exit anytime - for a 15-players game, of which the doctor could prevent none - and a low chance at stopping a NK with few Vanillas -. A pretty fast game then countered a bit by one BP, may I ask why? Also did Muffin tell the second player he invited who was the first one/the contents of said conversation?

Pretty fun phase and prospects. Dunno if we're still keeping spoilers hidden though.
 
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heymonkey

yesssss my guinea pigs
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The thing about the remaining scum--

You're right, Reki, Geno has had a very good game. But if he keeps Sneeks around, but no other widely townread player, it's gonna be suspicious. But if he doesn't keep another widely townread player around... it's gonna be suspicious. It's gonna be a gamble regardless.

I'm okay with open spoilers if there are no objections.
 
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CaptainNuevo

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Hello Mr. Captain. Nice getting to play with you. Sorry I had to try to kill you
It's ok. I'm sorry I started to try to sorta kinda defend you.

I was so looking forward to walking in to today and being like "so about that godfather business..."

In retrospect, Geno being so trigger-happy to mention Godfathers that quickly might've been a clue...
 

CaptainNuevo

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Well played capt
Nah not really, you did your role much better than I did. I guess at the very least I took a shot at night and hopefully saved some other role, which is about the best you can hope for as a vanilla townie. It was fun though!
 

CaptainNuevo

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...And I'm just now remembering how many truly great gifs I could have used for this.

I actually debated at one point just pretending I had the mystic seer, and replying for a phase using primarily pictures of those cards. Couldn't figure out a good way to make that work though since it's canonically only Yes/No questions, and even then they skew more heavily towards "no" or answers that make me seem scummy. And that's even before the "Seer/Cop" Werewolf vs Mafia rolename thing, which is even worse for someone trying to not be daykilled.

At least now I can laugh at the Godfather being killed and my name being cleared.

 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
So we going open spoilers, right?

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Alright, I think Geno's best shot is leaving Fireblend for the last mislunch, otherwise all the Geno push on D2 being townie would be too big a red flag, so today the mislunch should be Royal
 
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TheChuggernaut

I'm always town.
I’d probably screw this up too if I was in towns position though. I have no idea how there’s more people entertaining scum Muffin than scum Geno though
 
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Flush

Poker Royalty
Good grief, I seriously was not in form this game. Geno is the second worst case scenario for Town imo. Only worse would be Fran. I'm curious who he's gonna be up against.

Did scum suspect I wasn't a full cop?

For the record I used the word "odd" in like three consecutive messages as an attempt of breadcrumb.

Royal even throw a "Odd? Fucking odd?" in the middle lol
I did not pick up on that, lol
 
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Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Second, if you are a gossip and you talk to two people and one doubts you’re town but the other doesn’t, you should interrogate why the second person doesn’t seem to doubt you!
I should have at least asked, true, but there were several factors why I thought Sneeks would doubt me and Geno not:

1. You know what I've done to Sneeks in the past. You can't take that eternal doubt back.

2. Me and Geno were both just in Doggy Style mafia, and I didnt pick up any differences in his play => I was pretty sure he was town D1 already.

3. Geno is better than me when it comes to knowledge of game balancing, and which roles make sense. I was pretty sure that in a normal complexity game it's less likely to be scum gossip than in games like Doggy Style mafia. I assumed he thought the same and that's why he didnt bring it up, and well, he argued as much in the thread a few posts ago just now.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Anyone got my "chatty" breadcrumb? I dont really use that word.

Originally I wanted to hide morse code spelling GOSSIP with dots and commas instead of dashes and dots, because why the fuck not. Then I remembered about the rule of not hiding stuff in formatting. Was halfway done making that post when that occurred to me, too. At least I assume it would have fallen under that rule.
 
Lmao Malus visited me haha. Also I'm sorry Sparks, everything I said was to push my agenda, I don't think you're an instant policy lynch or a liability to have, I hope you understand.
 
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TheChuggernaut

I'm always town.
LORD high post turmoil is not scum turmoil

I know I'm spoiled, obviously, but a couple of scum have been MAD obvious (ask me how later)

eta: things may get wild
Was this the day where I just came out and dropped a vote on nin when the sudden push on Geno happened? Because yeahhhhhh that was not subtle
 
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Lmao Malus visited me haha. Also I'm sorry Sparks, everything I said was to push my agenda, I don't think you're an instant policy lynch or a liability to have, I hope you understand.
This game could have gone very differently if you hadn't killed me N1. Though what I learned from this game is that if you put a loaf of bread in the center of the room, people will look for crumbs in the corners.