Spectator Thread Airplane! Watch Party
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Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
God that went south fucking quick.
Last scum should still have this, but that was some worst case scenario shit
Last scum should still have this, but that was some worst case scenario shit
Fanto
Confirmed Town
For those of us not reading the game thread, care to enlighten us? :P
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
How could you
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Actually I went and checked, it was D2 that I put you down as Scum:
That read list was totally bogus btw lol. :P
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Is there anyone who would like to keep the spoilers?
So the last scum is Geno, right?
He has to mislunch three unconfirmed townies and night kill the two confirmed ones
I think it can go either way
Royal would be low hanging fruit, then Muffin and Fireblend would be the last one, I think
Unless he can make town feel paranoid about Ynnek but I doubt that will happen
He has to mislunch three unconfirmed townies and night kill the two confirmed ones
I think it can go either way
Royal would be low hanging fruit, then Muffin and Fireblend would be the last one, I think
Unless he can make town feel paranoid about Ynnek but I doubt that will happen
The problem town faces, as usual, is one of reassessment. They have classified the last scum as town, he has bussed, and so unless they start really looking around, he has a chance to make it. Here are the big signs of his identity, though:
As mentioned, his reaction in gossip chat should have been a BIG RED FLAG.
The continual repetition that the scum team was "really bad," especially after Chuggs and Kalor flipped. Obviously they are not "really bad." No one in the game was really bad, in fact. Hammering on that narrative should be suspect at the best of times; it's just weird, and so you gotta trace the motivation for such a statement.
There were a couple of other things but I'd have to look back at the thread to remember (there was one conversation that I thought was really obvious). They should look at everyone who pushed Kalor, though.
The continual repetition that the scum team was "really bad," especially after Chuggs and Kalor flipped. Obviously they are not "really bad." No one in the game was really bad, in fact. Hammering on that narrative should be suspect at the best of times; it's just weird, and so you gotta trace the motivation for such a statement.
There were a couple of other things but I'd have to look back at the thread to remember (there was one conversation that I thought was really obvious). They should look at everyone who pushed Kalor, though.
Here's what's in his favor:
Immediately jumped from Kalor to Chuggs. And I fear that's all they'll remember.
I think scum has a good chance to pull it off. But on the other hand... (next post)
Spoilers for remaining roles, death, etc.
Cappa dies tonight, which leaves:
Sneeks
Muffin
Fran
Flush
Febe
Ynnek
Sneeks is obviously town. Muffin is the gossip, but Sneeks isn't convinced that makes him town. The rest are vanilla.
Geno is not planning to kill Sneeks at this time because she townreads him, so he's gonna gamble on going into f3 with Sneeks and one other.
Sneeks
Muffin
Fran
Flush
Febe
Ynnek
Sneeks is obviously town. Muffin is the gossip, but Sneeks isn't convinced that makes him town. The rest are vanilla.
Geno is not planning to kill Sneeks at this time because she townreads him, so he's gonna gamble on going into f3 with Sneeks and one other.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Final 3 with a confirmed townie when he can kill her along the way?
Really don't get the rationale for that
Really don't get the rationale for that
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeahhhh, I actually advised against that final 3 before I hammered, but he still seemed to want to go for it.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I told him shoot for Fran and Flush as the final three, I think there’s a pretty good chance Neeks realizes she’s being played if she’s still alive at that point.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Dang you Sorian. Dang you to heck
All caught up and spoiled now! Hate you Chuggs, had you as town earlier in the game, liked your reads, Fanto won that one. And I didn't suspect Kalor either, you had me fooled too.
Pretty fun phase and prospects. Dunno if we're still keeping spoilers hidden though.
Geno has a chance, and I don't think it's that low. The couple things Monkey mentions may look a bit odd but I don't think anyone could take those and be completely sure of a mafia!Geno read when you've got more suspicious alternatives at hand. That overreaction Fanto pointed at earlier was weird but Geno had a sweet game so far - outside of losing two teammates in one phase I guess -.
Sawneeks has been amazing to read this time, what an incredible performance. She would probably rethink her stance on Geno on the final days too - especially after a couple more town flips - but you gotta respect that gambit. The problem being that he could end with another good player like Fran, and that'd be an uphill battle.
It also seems like there're few vanillas in here, expected a bit more in a Normal setup - Flush was surprised too IIRC? - but it's more exciting this way! On that note I'm loving the tweaks to the usual roles, balancing town's investigative power for example in a more comprehensive way than just in a 1v1 approach is fun.
Question though; there're quite a few extra chances at flips - and a neutral that could exit anytime - for a 15-players game, of which the doctor could prevent none - and a low chance at stopping a NK with few Vanillas -. A pretty fast game then countered a bit by one BP, may I ask why? Also did Muffin tell the second player he invited who was the first one/the contents of said conversation?
Sawneeks has been amazing to read this time, what an incredible performance. She would probably rethink her stance on Geno on the final days too - especially after a couple more town flips - but you gotta respect that gambit. The problem being that he could end with another good player like Fran, and that'd be an uphill battle.
It also seems like there're few vanillas in here, expected a bit more in a Normal setup - Flush was surprised too IIRC? - but it's more exciting this way! On that note I'm loving the tweaks to the usual roles, balancing town's investigative power for example in a more comprehensive way than just in a 1v1 approach is fun.
Question though; there're quite a few extra chances at flips - and a neutral that could exit anytime - for a 15-players game, of which the doctor could prevent none - and a low chance at stopping a NK with few Vanillas -. A pretty fast game then countered a bit by one BP, may I ask why? Also did Muffin tell the second player he invited who was the first one/the contents of said conversation?
Pretty fun phase and prospects. Dunno if we're still keeping spoilers hidden though.
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The thing about the remaining scum--
I'm okay with open spoilers if there are no objections.
You're right, Reki, Geno has had a very good game. But if he keeps Sneeks around, but no other widely townread player, it's gonna be suspicious. But if he doesn't keep another widely townread player around... it's gonna be suspicious. It's gonna be a gamble regardless.
I'm okay with open spoilers if there are no objections.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Hello Mr. Captain. Nice getting to play with you. Sorry I had to try to kill you
It's ok. I'm sorry I started to try to sorta kinda defend you.
I was so looking forward to walking in to today and being like "so about that godfather business..."
In retrospect, Geno being so trigger-happy to mention Godfathers that quickly might've been a clue...
Nah not really, you did your role much better than I did. I guess at the very least I took a shot at night and hopefully saved some other role, which is about the best you can hope for as a vanilla townie. It was fun though!
...And I'm just now remembering how many truly great gifs I could have used for this.
I actually debated at one point just pretending I had the mystic seer, and replying for a phase using primarily pictures of those cards. Couldn't figure out a good way to make that work though since it's canonically only Yes/No questions, and even then they skew more heavily towards "no" or answers that make me seem scummy. And that's even before the "Seer/Cop" Werewolf vs Mafia rolename thing, which is even worse for someone trying to not be daykilled.
At least now I can laugh at the Godfather being killed and my name being cleared.
I actually debated at one point just pretending I had the mystic seer, and replying for a phase using primarily pictures of those cards. Couldn't figure out a good way to make that work though since it's canonically only Yes/No questions, and even then they skew more heavily towards "no" or answers that make me seem scummy. And that's even before the "Seer/Cop" Werewolf vs Mafia rolename thing, which is even worse for someone trying to not be daykilled.
At least now I can laugh at the Godfather being killed and my name being cleared.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I faked a seer role during one of Monkeys game once and that shit got me to MYLO
So what you're saying is always go for living the theme/memes.
The trick is to never make it this far.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I feel so bad for Royal because my game plan was basically “Let me make this dude look at suss as possible when I flip”
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Geno is well hidden enough where I think he'll be okay, but that entire rush on Geno being town and my vote on nin after it is the biggest dead give away that's he's scum.
He didn't ask for shortened phases - moving to 24 is different. He asked for shortened nights.
(Although generally I agree on shortened phases when there is a single scum remaining)
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Man, town is in trouble if today is any indication
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I’d probably screw this up too if I was in towns position though. I have no idea how there’s more people entertaining scum Muffin than scum Geno though
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
That is going to be a rough exchange to look back on from Ynnek
IT'S GENO
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
You gonna have to fight me now for that statement Stan
Yes I know my best neutral games were ones I barely lost :'(
Flush
Poker Royalty
Good grief, I seriously was not in form this game. Geno is the second worst case scenario for Town imo. Only worse would be Fran. I'm curious who he's gonna be up against.
I did not pick up on that, lol
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
It’s okay Muffin. You had me good. Sorry I did you like that Flush.
Let’s go Geno! Bring it home for the lads
Let’s go Geno! Bring it home for the lads
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I should have at least asked, true, but there were several factors why I thought Sneeks would doubt me and Geno not:
1. You know what I've done to Sneeks in the past. You can't take that eternal doubt back.
2. Me and Geno were both just in Doggy Style mafia, and I didnt pick up any differences in his play => I was pretty sure he was town D1 already.
3. Geno is better than me when it comes to knowledge of game balancing, and which roles make sense. I was pretty sure that in a normal complexity game it's less likely to be scum gossip than in games like Doggy Style mafia. I assumed he thought the same and that's why he didnt bring it up, and well, he argued as much in the thread a few posts ago just now.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Anyone got my "chatty" breadcrumb? I dont really use that word.
Originally I wanted to hide morse code spelling GOSSIP with dots and commas instead of dashes and dots, because why the fuck not. Then I remembered about the rule of not hiding stuff in formatting. Was halfway done making that post when that occurred to me, too. At least I assume it would have fallen under that rule.
Originally I wanted to hide morse code spelling GOSSIP with dots and commas instead of dashes and dots, because why the fuck not. Then I remembered about the rule of not hiding stuff in formatting. Was halfway done making that post when that occurred to me, too. At least I assume it would have fallen under that rule.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Did you like me pretending to not know you were gossip when I totally knew you were the gossip, Muffin
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Now that you mention it. Your reaction to Geno when he was on my side and wouldnt say why was pretty well acted.
Oh for sure, she should doubt you - but you should always doubt a gossip at least a little.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
And there it is
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
One more Geno! You got this
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
lol at the chit chat, love this game, it was very chill
Also nice on Fireblend plugging the book club
I think I raised an eyebrow but never gave it a second thought
Also nice on Fireblend plugging the book club
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Mannnnn I’d leave Ynnek and Fran personally, but Godspeed good buddy
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Poor Neeks :(
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
BUT LET'S GO SCUM! YOU GOT THIS MEANO GENO
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
Rip
Sawneeks
little green dog
Sawneeks
little green dog
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Was this the day where I just came out and dropped a vote on nin when the sudden push on Geno happened? Because yeahhhhhh that was not subtle
malus
#1 official chartmaker
This game could have gone very differently if you hadn't killed me N1. Though what I learned from this game is that if you put a loaf of bread in the center of the room, people will look for crumbs in the corners.
haha well said!