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Faddy

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It's funny how after a far busier than usual weekend phase, there's now a relatively quiet day phase. Just the way things work out, I suppose.
The no lynch and then immediately circling back to Dubs is a momentum killer.
 
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Sawneeks

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I honestly can't tell if malus is trying to get people to scum read monkey or not. He keeps poking at her like that but not going all the way with the read.
 
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That was both a fun and frustrating game. Wish I got to stick around longer but I wasn't expecting to meet my condition even if I did live longer.

I was genuine with everything I posted near the end or even during the whole game, which I understand why people in the thread are dismissing it now but still a bummer. Even my desire for people to vote is something I feel I always do, even if people don't notice it. I do think this game was my breaking point just in terms of meta. Being scumread from the same people and it never changing from game to game is just incredibly frustrating at this point. Then it happened with other people like Sorians death being entirely due to meta and nothing to do with the game. I don't know. I definitely had a moment on day 1 where I felt like I was done with the community because it's basically every game where people try to throw meta reads onto me that I know are inaccurate.

It is great to see the bomb work at least. I thought that was going to be a bad choice but the ITAs and people holding back their votes meant today would have been tough anyway.

Also at least like three people saying I shot Stu when I clearly shot Zipped. And I'm the one who was apparently not reading the thread.
The ITA's really screwed you over, Stu was going to be the lunch train or at least a contender for sure, but the 24 hour limit on both abilities took you down.
 
Also loving all the cooking talk, that pie sounds good but I'd probably change the Kahlua (and Salva will probably shout heresy).
Honestly? Feel free to switch the kahlua, I recommend Rompope (Eggnog), Baileys, crreme the menthe or if you just don't want alcohol on it, coffee syrup or vanilla.
 
Aaand there it is.

Would be a hell of a gamble to copy a chat as Scum and then invite the two highest town read players into it but not impossible I guess.

Nat is more of a gut than anything as his posts always seem so reasonable.

Think someone said it in here but I don't think anyone pushed for why Nat used his ITA yesterday? That would be something to know.
Nah he did reason it, Natiko said it was to get reads depending on who shot who.
 
Nothing related to you being replaced

I just always have the feeling of players who are safe from being lunched being scum, and I feel no one has really pushed you for some time, I think
It was something that really bothered me but I took at as a chance to try and get more bold reads out there. If I was to guess I probably achieved Blarg's/nin's status of not getting suspected until the late game, when our weirdo playstyle gets countered by hard evidence.
 

lokiduck

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Welcome Salva. You did a really good job in the game and I did enjoy your posts quite a bit.

I honestly can't tell if malus is trying to get people to scum read monkey or not. He keeps poking at her like that but not going all the way with the read.
Yeah I'm not sure what he's doing either, but there's no way he's going to convince everyone she is scum.
 
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Welcome Salva. You did a really good job in the game and I did enjoy your posts quite a bit.



Yeah I'm not sure what he's doing either, but there's no way he's going to convince everyone she is scum.
Thanks duck, I hope my choices are enough to tip the balance x)
 

lokiduck

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I actually was going to post something more spoilery but what is the fun in that?
Yeah I get the temptation being strong there. Being a Gamewatcher I've had to really watch what I say in here. XD Hell even my likes. But thank you for doing that joke post instead. We can tell all when we are allowed to spoil officially >:D
 
So I'm convinced that I want to do the next role madness role, where can I work on it so I can be supervised and I don't go mad with power?
 
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Sawneeks

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So I'm convinced that I want to do the next role madness role, where can I work on it so I can be supervised and I don't go mad with power?
Honestly whenever you want. The Review Team crew is the one to contact for when you have a game ready to be looked at so I'd recommend contacting Fireblend.
 
Let me help, I won't corrupt you and make you go mad with power, I promise
Sweet, the idea is similar to Hunter X Hunter, but is based on One Piece.

Eveyone gets to make a role, but all of them get randomly assigned after they are made. They may also be tweaked and balanced depending if they land on scum, neutral or town. Players have to make a role with this in mind.

So all players will start with the idea of one other role that is in the game, and that the role they have belongs to someone else. And they can choose if they want to reveal that information or not, while also having to be careful not to reveal too much about their roles so other players can figure them out.

Lore-wise, its based on the ability of a character Named Trafalgar Law, who is a pirate surgeon that can eat the Op-Op Fruit, as in operation fruit, so can switch the "souls" of characters. And in this game, he did just that. So lore-wise everyone is trapped in another body.
 
Sweet, the idea is similar to Hunter X Hunter, but is based on One Piece.

Eveyone gets to make a role, but all of them get randomly assigned after they are made. They may also be tweaked and balanced depending if they land on scum, neutral or town. Players have to make a role with this in mind.

So all players will start with the idea of one other role that is in the game, and that the role they have belongs to someone else. And they can choose if they want to reveal that information or not, while also having to be careful not to reveal too much about their roles so other players can figure them out.

Lore-wise, its based on the ability of a character Named Trafalgar Law, who is a pirate surgeon that can eat the Op-Op Fruit, as in operation fruit, so can switch the "souls" of characters. And in this game, he did just that. So lore-wise everyone is trapped in another body.
Sounds cool, but if all players make a role then all you gotta do is lay out the basic rules of making. I know little One Piece but I think different fruit=different power so that's what you'll do instead of nens right?
 
Sounds cool, but if all players make a role then all you gotta do is lay out the basic rules of making. I know little One Piece but I think different fruit=different power so that's what you'll do instead of nens right?
Yep, pretty much the same concept.
 
Not touching all those spoilers but they're really tempting right now.

And happy to see Gorlak! It's been a while and it's always nice to see returning players.

Honestly? Feel free to switch the kahlua, I recommend Rompope (Eggnog), Baileys, crreme the menthe or if you just don't want alcohol on it, coffee syrup or vanilla.
First, welcome to Spec! And thanks for the advice, I'd definitely prefer to keep alcohol out of the recipe.

*Takes notes*

Yeah I'm not sure what he's doing either, but there's no way he's going to convince everyone she is scum
He's probably frustrated. I'd be too. It's super hard to argue against two of the best players in the community when they're thinking similarly and pushing back as if they were working in tandem. And they have good points too, so almost anything malus says won't outweigh these in the eyes of Montiko. Kind of like D1 of Sawneeks in Conspiracy 2. Something unexpected would need to happen, like Dubs flipping town, for them to completely reassess that case.

When you're in a bad spot and your days seem numbered, you have to play defense half the time and any cases you make in the other half will be given way less attention than if you were being town-read.

Then you have the fact that malus has a low-posting style. The less you post/the shorter your posts are, the harder it is for people to naturally trust you. And then when malus posts two lines, they get back at him with paragraphs and paragraphs of why he's wrong, which is demoralizing.

Like, I know you need to keep trying, but it's super hard to care/pretend to care in that situation. malus has been doing some nice work this phase though, so I do hope he doesn't give up!
 
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lokiduck

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He's probably frustrated. I'd be too. It's super hard to argue against two of the best players in the community when they're thinking similarly and pushing back as if they were working in tandem. And they have good points too, so almost anything malus says won't outweigh these in the eyes of Montiko. Kind of like D1 of Sawneeks in Conspiracy 2. Something unexpected would need to happen, like Dubs flipping town, for them to completely reassess that case.

When you're in a bad spot and your days seem numbered, you have to play defense half the time and any cases you make in the other half will be given way less attention than if you were being town-read.

Then you have the fact that malus has a low-posting style. The less you post/the shorter your posts are, the harder it is for people to naturally trust you. And then when malus posts two lines, they get back at him with paragraphs and paragraphs of why he's wrong, which is demoralizing.

Like, I know you need to keep trying, but it's super hard to care/pretend to care in that situation. malus has been doing some nice work this phase though, so I do hope he doesn't give up!
Yeah I agree. It can be very hard trying to convince people, especially when they are pretty convinced on you. The good news is that he seems to be responding more and more active, so I hope he keeps trying to convince people. Like I said earlier, I hope that him and others keep going and put up a fight scum or town, because at least they can say they tried if they still end up on the lunch menu.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
To add to you both there's always the chance people change their mind at the end of the phase, too. The last Day is a good example with how people suddenly went Dubs/Blarg and then it ended on a three-way tie despite Dubs being a clear front runner for most of it.
 
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Sawneeks

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If i'm allowed to steal monkey's words; big respect to Malus' hustle right here. The questions he is throwing back at Monkey/Nat are really good in trying to paint himself as a town bus and not a scummie who was at death's door. Trying to use that vote movement and other's actions to 'clear' himself is great. The lack of a good alternative to what happened is what's giving me pause on him being Townie in this (plus his previous actions) since I feel like a Townie would start pointing fingers when they almost got hit. Malus seems to not want to step on toes or just try to weave in doubt about monkey.

But suspiciously not Nat. :pikathink:


...I'm never gonna trust Nat until he flips, watch.
 

lokiduck

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If i'm allowed to steal monkey's words; big respect to Malus' hustle right here. The questions he is throwing back at Monkey/Nat are really good in trying to paint himself as a town bus and not a scummie who was at death's door. Trying to use that vote movement and other's actions to 'clear' himself is great. The lack of a good alternative to what happened is what's giving me pause on him being Townie in this (plus his previous actions) since I feel like a Townie would start pointing fingers when they almost got hit. Malus seems to not want to step on toes or just try to weave in doubt about monkey.

But suspiciously not Nat. :pikathink:


...I'm never gonna trust Nat until he flips, watch.
Totally agree here. Malus is really trying to put up a good fight, and I kind of hope the others are willing to actually listen to him, but the way Monkey is focusing on him I'm not so sure that will happen >>

I know town is getting desperate because there have been no scum flips exept for a neutral, but if they don't think things through instead of just auto lunching, town may have a shot.

Either way I give Malus a ton of props whether he is scum or town in the end.
 
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Faddy

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I just got banned for my bad opinions on Star Trek.... :hammer:

Back to the game.

Only 4 active votes with 6 hours left in the day. I really expected things to pick up a bit.
 

Faddy

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Damn, 3 months. Feels a bit much but w/e
It was a bad post... I should have been clearer about specifically talking about comparing Star Trek episodes and Code of Honor while indeed racist is not really any more racist than a whole bunch of other episodes. Which I think is a valid point when discussing which episode is the most reprehensible...

...Live and learn.

I'm surprised Dubs hasn't popped in even once.
I think it is really strange. It could be a power to commute for the day. Otherwise it is very bad manners by Dubs to just ignore the game/mod for a whole day phase but I guess you can never really know what someone's IRL circumstances are.
 
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Fran out of curiosity if I was still alive and dubs copied my role would we share the same thresh account? Or does he only steal from dead people?
 
I don't get how people believe muffin is scum, he is 100% town for me. He revealed his power in the first chat, he talked about it when sawneeks put it out there, he got visibly shaken by how bad the role was received, and he is putting forward decent opinions that go against the current narrative monkey just took over.

There is no evidence monkey is town, and even less for Natiko for that matter but everyone just keeps assuming they both have to be town because they gave everyone guns that has less of a chance to kill than getting one particular number in a dice roll.

And there is no denying monkey did force that tie.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I don't get how people believe muffin is scum, he is 100% town for me. He revealed his power in the first chat, he talked about it when sawneeks put it out there, he got visibly shaken by how bad the role was received, and he is putting forward decent opinions that go against the current narrative monkey just took over.

There is no evidence monkey is town, and even less for Natiko for that matter but everyone just keeps assuming they both have to be town because they gave everyone guns that has less of a chance to kill than getting one particular number in a dice roll.

And there is no denying monkey did force that tie.
Nah, monkey's actions and demeanor say more for her alignment than her claim. She is never this uncertain as scum and, paradoxically, as town she goes hard in on reads despite her uncertainty. A scum monkey does more 'hmmm, I don't knooowww'.
 
Nah, monkey's actions and demeanor say more for her alignment than her claim. She is never this uncertain as scum and, paradoxically, as town she goes hard in on reads despite her uncertainty. A scum monkey does more 'hmmm, I don't knooowww'.
I was convinced that monkey was town with her first post of the day, but I was going out guns blazing if the focus wasn't there.

And if Moneky is not the scum of the two, then it has to be Natiko. I made a whole post about it that monkey dismissed as conspiracy theories.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I was convinced that monkey was town with her first post of the day, but I was going out guns blazing if the focus wasn't there.

And if Moneky is not the scum of the two, then it has to be Natiko. I made a whole post about it that monkey dismissed as conspiracy theories.
Oh no I totally agree with you on Nat lol. But this is also if either of them are scum. It's entirely possible they are a town powerhouse right now.

I think it's gonna depend on dubs here. If he's town then I'd hard look at Nat
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Yknow this would explain why scum aimed for nin and I over Montiko. They were trying to pocket them with dubs role. I can see one of them dying this night if there is no one to protect em
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
cool power

so it's basically a bodyguard that survives the first successful save? If I'm getting it
 
Zip's sounds like bullshit to me, the part about "Who took Sorian's power is building to something" makes it sound like he came to the conclussion that there is more than one role stealer, when the evidence supports it by itself, sounds like an effort to seem town.

But I guess you would need to know there is a third tresh.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Ooooof. I will gladly eat my words in regards to Malus. Good save.

Yeah, and if natiko hadn't shot him, whoever killed malus would have died instead.

This will make Natiko look baaaaaaad.
Or everyone ignores that part and Monkey still hard trusts Nat. :p

But this would assume Nat knew Malus' power and it's not like he wasn't scum read imo
 

Faddy

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but....why would scum kill Vere...

unless they did kill malus?

now i'm confused.
Vere wasn't any more or less town read than you tbh. I think the answer probably lies in Verelios' reads.

And if scum are happy with the concensus reads then they definitely don't kill monkey because they want town shooting town.
 

Faddy

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I think putting Verelios in a different section from Flush and Donna is sort of strange from the perspective that I would assume a Godfather role would in the pool of people given to Aeleus and Sawneeks.
 
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Ooooof. I will gladly eat my words in regards to Malus. Good save.


Or everyone ignores that part and Monkey still hard trusts Nat. :p

But this would assume Nat knew Malus' power and it's not like he wasn't scum read imo
If Nat was scum he would know for sure Malus was either neutral or town, so there is no downside to shooting him, since he was already suspected. Shooting him also made malus useless (As malus said), and town already had malus in their lunch list anyway. So, by all accounts, no one would want to waste a kill on malus if he was already nerfed and town would lunch him anyway.

So the only logical conclussion is that scum natiko (or any scum, really), shot a confirmed town and malus blocked that.
 
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Sawneeks

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Wait. Verelios was greenchecked by stu.
There's been so much this game I completely forgot about that. Nevermind, hitting Vere makes sense.
I think putting Verelios in a different section from Flush and Donna is sort of strange from the perspective that I would assume a Godfather role would in the pool of people given to Aeleus and Sawneeks.
I can't speak for A's role but mine should not have been able to get a Godfather into the mix. Fran can chime in on that if he wants but the way it is written should exclude anyone non-town.
 

Sawneeks

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2fast4me. So, I can confirm this as well. If anyone was wondering how Monkey and I managed to wink and nod our way through the B-Dubs chat and come out on the other side in lockstep without having explicitly discussed it in front of B-Dubs now you know why.
tbh I just assumed you two mindmelded so hard that outside help wasn't needed to make you that in sync. kinda sad that isn't the case :'(
 
Ok, so that is 3 Tresh chats and one unrelated chat from zip.

I'm thinking amount of nen types and it doesn't fit.

Geno did the first chat on D1

dubs took geno's power for D2, and if the timing of montiko claim is correct, there was another unrelated chat on the same night. And by this point the geno role was erased

And Fran told us there was another role stealer (Something I already suspected because the erasure of the roles didn't fit with what stu claimed), and that was pretty much confirmed with dubs flip that says nothing about cleaning stolen roles.

So zips power is either unrelated to geno or he is the cleaner. But fran already said someone else stole the power, and montiko doesn't mention another tresh, so it has to be another power unrelated to Geno's.

So zip has to be multipower or gain powers, or specialtist that somehow went for a chat ability. Would scum decide to target the same two players in the same night to get the same to players to discuss each other chat?

Well conclussion is that zip is not the new role stealer, someone else is.
 
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