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Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'd be looking at Aeleus too. @Fanto's gut is sometimes right so I'm trusting you here!
Here, let me give some more gut reads based solely on looking at the vote tool, but I would like a couple of questions answered first.

Besides Dubs, has anyone else flipped as Scum? How many total Scum do we think there are?
 

Zippedpinhead

I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad
All I know is that me being dead the night before I become useful after I tell everybody that this exact scenario is when I would want the town folk to suspect Monkey and Natiko...


Golly I would be barking up that tree as much as Donna I hope
 

Zippedpinhead

I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad
Here, let me give some more gut reads based solely on looking at the vote tool, but I would like a couple of questions answered first.

Besides Dubs, has anyone else flipped as Scum? How many total Scum do we think there are?
Three with super powers, or four with two medium powers and two with super powers.

right now I’m classifying the one we know as a medium power, with the natiko being a super power (two day shots + 10% ITA? That’s huge)

that’s my guess on scum team numbers
 

Zippedpinhead

I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad
I’m going to give some major kudos to Empressdonna and Aeleus this game. Aeleus created a great role to give them massive information and Has been playing very town forward. It’s why I wanted to investigate them, Aeleus’s clear would hard confirm two people for me.

Empressdonna, our director, has been putting in work this day phase, not getting back and distracted by Blarg and Muffin.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
So Dubs is the only Scum flip and there's likely 2-3 more?

In that case, looking at the vote tool...

One of Kyan/Aeleus/Royal is probably Scum. Royal has some off-wagon votes that look kind of sus.

This, though, this is a thing from D2, before Dubs was voted out:


So, Natiko was bussing here, were other Scum members bussing too?

Monkey and Vere were on Malus. On Blarg were Donna, Salva, and Blarg himself.

Kyan/Aeleus/Royal. There's that trio again from D1.

There is 100% Scum in there. Is there anything in the role claims that leans to one over the other? Anything behavior-wise? These three should be a major focus.

Vere could be Scum too based on these votes tbh. His D1 vote looks like an early vote on Stu, which is a weak D1 vote on it's own because everyone votes for Stu on D1, but he also left it there the whole damn day.

Natiko/Aeleus/Royal/Kyan/Vere. That cuts it down to half the remaining players at least, but I know nothing about their role claims or anything else that could narrow things down further, so I'll leave that to the rest of you.

There, feels good to give some shitty ass reads based on almost nothing but assumptions and faulty intuitions again, been a while. :P
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Honestly if scum know they may win today I don't see them offing a scum!Blarg.

Given Nat's attempt to push for a Gorlak scumteam if put the remaining scum with Kyan and maybe Vere.

One last confession, natiko pocketed me as well.

I almost investigated Dr. Monkey instead of A
To be fair after they mindmelded and got scum!dubs I'd be hesitant there as well. I don't know how exactly that conversation went in your chat but that level of buss was a calculated risk that's probably gonna pay off.
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
So Dubs is the only Scum flip and there's likely 2-3 more?

In that case, looking at the vote tool...

One of Kyan/Aeleus/Royal is probably Scum. Royal has some off-wagon votes that look kind of sus.

This, though, this is a thing from D2, before Dubs was voted out:


So, Natiko was bussing here, were other Scum members bussing too?

Monkey and Vere were on Malus. On Blarg were Donna, Salva, and Blarg himself.

Kyan/Aeleus/Royal. There's that trio again from D1.

There is 100% Scum in there. Is there anything in the role claims that leans to one over the other? Anything behavior-wise? These three should be a major focus.

Vere could be Scum too based on these votes tbh. His D1 vote looks like an early vote on Stu, which is a weak D1 vote on it's own because everyone votes for Stu on D1, but he also left it there the whole damn day.

Natiko/Aeleus/Royal/Kyan/Vere. That cuts it down to half the remaining players at least, but I know nothing about their role claims or anything else that could narrow things down further, so I'll leave that to the rest of you.

There, feels good to give some shitty ass reads based on almost nothing but assumptions and faulty intuitions again, been a while. :P
Actually pretty spot on. You can take out Royal as my role mod confirmed him as town (without possible godfather shenanigans), A has claimed to be protecting Donna by giving her powers, and Vere was green checked by a cop.

Out of those 3 I'd trust vere the least
 
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Could there be a phrasing that could circumvent your check Sawneeks? Like, if you and Aeleus thought of that it'd be something the baddies could've considered too.

The only thing I can think of would involve alignment shenanigans - "I'm aligned with town but have the mafia wincon" or something - but that was off-limits.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Actually pretty spot on. You can take out Royal as my role mod confirmed him as town (without possible godfather shenanigans), A has claimed to be protecting Donna by giving her powers, and Vere was green checked by a cop.

Out of those 3 I'd trust vere the least
Yeah, I wouldn't trust a normal green check worth shit in this game. If I was able to make my own role as Scum, the end of my PM is always going to say "Also a Godfather" lol.

From context, I'm picking up that Aeleus' claim is that they are Donna's "guardian angel" of some sort? So they are able to protect her in some way, I imagine? Is there any proof of this? Because I do not buy that at all.

Natiko/Aeleus/Vere sounds legit to me, and the votes agree.

Anything on Kyan at all? No role claim from him yet?
 
Yeah, I wouldn't trust a normal green check worth shit in this game. If I was able to make my own role as Scum, the end of my PM is always going to say "Also a Godfather" lol.

From context, I'm picking up that Aeleus' claim is that they are Donna's "guardian angel" of some sort? So they are able to protect her in some way, I imagine? Is there any proof of this? Because I do not buy that at all.

Natiko/Aeleus/Vere sounds legit to me, and the votes agree.

Anything on Kyan at all? No role claim from him yet?
The thing is that any scum worth its salt would put "Also a godfather" with the intention of losing that so the rest of their role would go through.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Could there be a phrasing that could circumvent your check Sawneeks? Like, if you and Aeleus thought of that it'd be something the baddies could've considered too.

The only thing I can think of would involve alignment shenanigans - "I'm aligned with town but have the mafia wincon" or something - but that was off-limits.
Hmmm. It's possible but I'm not sure what it would be like you said. They could always phrase it as "Mafia aligned. Considered Town for all other checks or mechanics"?

Yeah, I wouldn't trust a normal green check worth shit in this game. If I was able to make my own role as Scum, the end of my PM is always going to say "Also a Godfather" lol.

From context, I'm picking up that Aeleus' claim is that they are Donna's "guardian angel" of some sort? So they are able to protect her in some way, I imagine? Is there any proof of this? Because I do not buy that at all.

Natiko/Aeleus/Vere sounds legit to me, and the votes agree.

Anything on Kyan at all? No role claim from him yet?
A claimed to be a protector and having to protect their Director, Donna. Donna got a message at the start of the game being called a Director but didn't receiving anything else. A had claimed they can give donna a....lunchproof, BP, and something else. They can do this even after death. So A does have part of their role confirmed.

Nothing from Kyan other than he visited himself on N1
 
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Franconp

Frank
No, 3-3 now. But scum wins if the control more than 50% of the vote. So, if scum kills goes through they win. Also town needs to kill a scum tomorrow, either with the ITAs or stealing a killing role.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah i'm not sure what town can do at this point. Monkey has her thing, and Vere has one thing as well but Flush has nothing after last night. :/

Edit: Wait never mind Flush may have some options now that I think of it.
 
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I want to at least see this all come full circle and have Monkey be the one to ITA Natiko. Surely after seeing Kyaa the meanie blow up town Donna right as she was spelling things out, this has got to be the time for Monkey to climb out of that pocket at top speed...
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I want to at least see this all come full circle and have Monkey be the one to ITA Natiko. Surely after seeing Kyaa the meanie blow up town Donna right as she was spelling things out, this has got to be the time for Monkey to climb out of that pocket at top speed...
I feel like the message Natiko said might help with that. XD Seemed pretty much like a "Yo buddy I'm scum" comment to me.
 
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Franconp

Frank
Flush has nothing after last night
Flush has tons of options here. He can go after Stu's protect so if scum tries to night kill him they will fail and hope that Monkey's ITA work tomorrow. He could take a risk and use Kalor's bombs to be sure that someone will die tomorrow. He could even go for Donna's and try to roleblock someone.

If they target Vere it will all be decided by the roll of a dice lol.
 
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lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Flush has tons of options here. He can go after Stu's protect so if scum tries to night kill him they will fail and hope that Monkey's ITA work tomorrow. He could take a risk and use Kalor's bombs to be sure that someone will die tomorrow. He could even go for Donna's and try to roleblock someone.

If they target Vere it will all be decided by the roll of a dice lol.
Yeah I remembered all the options he has when reading scum chat XD To be fair I'm about to go to bed.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
im following this game in only the loosest terms, usually looking at the most recent day ends to see who died.

so uhh... in less that 300 characters

the fuck?
A clusterfuck that's what.

But on a longer explanation Kya has been handing out bombs, and after a completely wasted day phase where town lunched the unkillable Blarg, Kya decided to fix that by taking two townies with him, thus causing Muffin to die anyways because majority was reached. \o/

There would have been more death but a snappy Pastry with attitude sent two bombs back to Kya ;D

Along with this, Zipped was Gil Grissom (You know from CSI) the whooooolllleeeee time and the scum team pretty much outed themselves all in one go.

Hello spec chat ;___;

Haha waking up to my death made me cry/laugh.

It hurts having been right on kyan in the first place and then changing my mind XD ahhh
Despite that, you did a great job Donna :D You had some of the most accurate scum theories in the game :D Both my friend and I were so proud of you for trying to convince Monkey that Nat was scum.

I got Muffin'd twice? We full of memes here if random.org does this to me of all people.
YEP. There was only one time Muffin actually interfered with Town, and that didn't end up affecting them at all because it was Zips cop check the night he died. XD
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Another player I'd like to highlight is my gamemaking buddy Verelios, because not only did he make a role that i really like and thought was very creative (it was even one of the first turned in), but Scum still has no idea what his power even does, and that's hilarious.

They have a general idea about the other two through chat shenanigans but not my buddy Vere. :D

You show those people joking that you always die on day one!!!
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Did Scum expect to end it with the day? Seems pretty reckless to let it depend on an unblocked nightkill in this game, since all of them pretty much outed themselves with the hammer.
General scum thoughts:

It is somewhat of a gamble, but the general feel within the team has been for a while that we can't win endgame. We saw a wincon (the forced majority + BOOM :D with 3 bombs) and took it. The lesser states of this gamble were considered and they are not unwinnable to us either unless we are horribly wrong about things. This is one of those lesser states, the one where we NK to win.

All the information we got about town was fed to us. Our ability to predict things was nonexistent with no investigative roles. With townies confirming themselves left and right, we put our money on a fast win. In the end the opportunity and the unpredictability of the day with mass claim ahead made the choice for us.
 
General scum thoughts:

It is somewhat of a gamble, but the general feel within the team has been for a while that we can't win endgame. We saw a wincon (the forced majority + BOOM :D with 3 bombs) and took it. The lesser states of this gamble were considered and they are not unwinnable to us either unless we are horribly wrong about things. This is one of those lesser states, the one where we NK to win.

All the information we got about town was fed to us. Our ability to predict things was nonexistent with no investigative roles. With townies confirming themselves left and right, we put our money on a fast win. In the end the opportunity and the unpredictability of the day with mass claim ahead made the choice for us.
I feel is ok to open spoilers now? Anyway.
Holy shit I just loved the play so much! When monkey voted I was like BOOM. BOOM YOU MADLADS ITS NOW OR NEVER.
We had a great advantage going into the day but one bad reverse from muffin or one YOLO lunch in any of you was enough to put us down to 3 and in a big disadvantage for endgame, as you said. BOOM 8D was risky, sure, but it was also the only way we could control our destiny.
 
Boom did indeed happen. I knew this shit was coming and I'm honestly impressed the scum team pulled it off. However Muffin... when you get here just know.

You saved two townies from the boom!!! :D You did more to help town than some town powers have :D
So happy about this, everyone loves a good redemption arc. Congratulations Muffin! Such a cool role too.

Unrelated to what just happened, a friend of mine that has been reading the game but doesn't want to play mafia wanted to say this to Donna:
Maybe they could consider joining just to spectate? Quite a few people here and on the Discord don't really play that much/at all - my spec/play ratio is like 4:1 - but the group is friendly and always welcoming of new people.


Also since baddies basically outed themselves - maybe spoilers could be open from now on? - I checked stuff;
It is somewhat of a gamble, but the general feel within the team has been for a while that we can't win endgame. We saw a wincon (the forced majority + BOOM :D with 3 bombs) and took it. The lesser states of this gamble were considered and they are not unwinnable to us either unless we are horribly wrong about things. This is one of those lesser states, the one where we NK to win.

All the information we got about town was fed to us. Our ability to predict things was nonexistent with no investigative roles. With townies confirming themselves left and right, we put our money on a fast win. In the end the opportunity and the unpredictability of the day with mass claim ahead made the choice for us.
It makes a lot of sense when you put it like that. I was surprised to read the recent posts from you all since I'd think letting at least one of you put a more natural vote on Muffin would be a good backup, but if these were the discussions in mafia chat then it was the optimal move for the situation. It was also a flashy play so extra points for that.

Also did you all wait forty minutes for Blarg to format that vote?

By the way town still has a small chance, but that's all they need. You can do it folks! Just thinking of the silent mind games being played right now is exciting.
 
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Kyanrute

kyan-rute
The day I claimed I protected Donna from day kills was really the best time to kill Donna considering my role as claimed. Sadly you had an arsonist to use instead :(
I think A tried to bait scum into trying to kill donna, failing and getting the "Director was protected" mod confirm.

Good thing they were BOMB 8D instead.
N3? We had a more pressing threat then, one that still is a thorn in our side - Mr. Coleslaw.
 
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By the way, I want to point out that when Geno died dubs was wondering if he should steak it or not, and I came up with the idea to make the chat with both Natiko and Monkey for maximum fun.

Honestly, this whole game was 100% scum making plays mostly for the Evulz.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
So kyanrute, what was your angle with me town reading you? I know it was a very slim read (it was supposed to be).
There was no reason for you to town read me that strongly so that was something that I had to touch in public. I saw it as engagement bait and that needs to be taken or else someone else will hit me with it and ask "why u no think it weird you being read as SUPER TOWN by this person."

Reki:

That wasn't the case. We positioned ourselves for the bus ages before so we were just chilling and letting Blarg be Blarg.
 
There was no reason for you to town read me that strongly so that was something that I had to touch in public. I saw it as engagement bait and that needs to be taken or else someone else will hit me with it and ask "why u no think it weird you being read as SUPER TOWN by this person."

Reki:

That wasn't the case. We positioned ourselves for the bus ages before so we were just chilling and letting Blarg be Blarg.
I think the best thing about this scum team is that everyone was doing its own thing but was willing to die for the team. Dubs died for Montiko to happen. Kyaa died for THE PLAY to happen. And everyone is down to go out in a blaze of glory with the muffin vote.
 
he chose to give a gun to monkey when he wrote the role

he knew he wouldn't be able to talk himself out of giving the gun to someone else lol
Agreed. You know how hard it was to downplay the gun move in the thread? It made no sense to me monkey would just accept the gun. If I was town and saw that I'll be 100% sure either one was scum. If I was town and natiko gave me the gun I'll have shot Natiko xD. I'm that paranoid.
 
Strong guess that both monkey and Royal are agonizing over their choices and trying to find the correct path to take.
Monkey has no choice, she has to go for the ITA. Royal is the one with the big decision to make. And scum has to make this one count.
 
Technically the ITA could backfire on her. Imagine Town takes all the shots and misses while Blarg makes a gif picture ITA and it hits.
Yes, but Monkey knows she won't be targeted during the ninght because she told Natiko about her counterattack. Royal can survive a shot, but the day will still start with a 3vs3 and no way for town to win other than the ITA (Or the bomb). And no one knows what to expect of Vere.

She has to take the shot.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Maybe they could consider joining just to spectate? Quite a few people here and on the Discord don't really play that much/at all - my spec/play ratio is like 4:1 - but the group is friendly and always welcoming of new people.
I'm asking her right now but previously when I have asked she has said no. She only read this game because I told her it'd be bonkers and because she'll read my game when it happens. But we'll see :D

Did B-Dubs ever show up in Scum chat on D3?
Nope XD His last comment was basically "Buss me" When he found out about Zip chat.

I laugh picturing Natiko wanting to play safe and the partners like

Yeah this has basically been Nat, though like Salva and Kya said, he has had some crazy ideas.

I was so commited to the scum team I even played the townie part on the spectator chat. THAT IS HOW SCUM I WAS.
I was really impressed by your dedication Salva :D It gave me a good laugh seeing you town it up. XD

Strong guess that both monkey and Royal are agonizing over their choices and trying to find the correct path to take.
Actually's the scum team. LOL they are really scared of what power Royal might pick, and what Vere power even is.