This is how I felt in the previous game I played with monkey, once she has made her mind she makes you feel like an idiot for even attempting to argue you are town. She just gets this really condescending tone to her.Lots of funny moments in this game but man it is really not fun being Scum read by Monkey. I was actually really close to just subbing out, because I felt I was just being mobbed all day long.
Royal has to be the one that took Sorians role right?
Does he have more shots? Because he hasn't dropped a hint since that really obvious post on D2.
Yeah I guess so, and if so he did the last chat too. If scum targeted someone it was probably him. You protected Royal, didn't you?
I did indeed. Though I almost protected Monkey first but then I thought of looking into who could have taken Sorians role and stumbled upon Royal.
Blarg/Muffin seems like the candidate for today if my memory is correct. With Zipped being protected by Montiko it's unlikely he gets killed and Kyan is starting to show up more and be reasonable enough that he won't be in the line of fire. But breaking it down the scum placements are a little odd. It's probably not Zipped given the chat + Dubs shooting him, Kyan helped push the Dubs train along during the Tie day so unless Blarg is a crazy scum role I'm not sure he is Scum.
That leaves Muffin, Blarg, A, and by some extent Vere.
Stu and Donna have brought up good points on Blarg in both threads so I'm hoping he goes next.
Muffin is starting to feel like a long term gambit though.
He is claiming that he can reverse any power in the game once per night, and his target is random. He has no power over it. He has no checks, no notifications, nothing. As long as he is alive, someone will be screwed over by this.Yeah, but who did he target?
(I'm not actually sure I understand what Muffin is claiming)
D1: Stu shot a cop and turmoil was - wtf WAS turmoil doing??? It was so weird. Sorian discouraged us away from B-Dubs, too (which reminds me: HAHA, Sorian, YOU WERE WRONG, HAHA; sorry, I'm done now) so everyone who might have looked at Dubs refused (similar to Bear) probably out of deference to that flip. There were good reasons for town folks to vote turmoil and Stu d1 and it gave scum great places to hide. For this reason we need to watch votes on Muffin really carefully. It's a good place for people to hide no matter his alignment. (I don't mean you, Gorlak, you had really clear reasons here.)
Welcome Malus.Royal has to be the one that took Sorians role right?
Does he have more shots? Because he hasn't dropped a hint since that really obvious post on D2.
This game and chats.
Chat trio, did you talk about the chat with Dubs in the chat you were in with Zipped? Apparently yes because Natiko writes faster than I process things. How much of the Dubs chat did you feed to Zipped? Zipped, I want to hear your take on these events and their relation to your D3 start re: Dubs push.
The only way they have the advantage is if both blarg and muffin are scum, if one of them is not scum then we have deepwolves somewhere for sure x).I haven't done the numbers but I think town has the advantage? Losing the malus mislunch must had been bad for scum's odds
I'm wondering if monkey will notice the similarities between you and Muffin for this and maybe reevaluate her read but Muffin's history so far has been rough.I feel bad for Muffin. He just took my spot in Monkey's Scum read zone and I can assure you it's not a fun place to be in. His posts are even almost the same as the ones I made in that situation.
Maybe if multiple people you interact with get mad at you, it's something to do with how you interact with them...
It's like with Donna earlier in the thread I noticed. They keep harping on her for only having one scum read, but she was actually trying to scum hunt and it still wasn't enough for them.I have to say that it felt pretty uncomfortable reading the interactions involving Muffin over the last couple of days. It's pretty crushing to have near enough every point you try to make get dismissed when you're doing so with good intentions, so I can't blame him one bit for his frustration - I'd feel just the same.
Aeleus said:@empressdonna can you promise me you're town? Because I've been slowly getting really paranoid about you being scum. If you lie I will never trust you again.
Kyanrute said:kyaaa is of long notice that kyaaa gets wifomed to death if kyaaa is kyaaa so kyaaa now restricts kyaaa a bit and in that sense iirc your earlier kyaaa read that kyaaa is not kyaaa enough so kyaaa is being of all evil was like what to kyaaa is really hard to please this crowd kyaaa thinks.
but man it is really not fun being Scum read by Monkey. I was actually really close to just subbing out, because I felt I was just being mobbed all day long.
once she has made her mind she makes you feel like an idiot for even attempting to argue you are town.
I feel bad for Muffin. He just took my spot in Monkey's Scum read zone and I can assure you it's not a fun place to be in. His posts are even almost the same as the ones I made in that situation.
Maybe if multiple people you interact with get mad at you, it's something to do with how you interact with them...
For some reason, I have never really found myself on the receiving end of a true Monkey Scum Read yet other than a brief moment in MafiEra before being Confirmed Town™, but I definitely know what you're all talking about. I feel like I've been guilty of similar behavior in the past as well in terms of hounding on players that I have a Scum read on, though Monkey definitely has her own unique way of doing it. I have retroactively felt bad in the past and like I was making the game less fun for whoever was in my crosshairs when I just won't shut up about them, so it's something I'm kind of reflecting on now.I'm wondering if monkey will notice the similarities between you and Muffin for this and maybe reevaluate her read but Muffin's history so far has been rough.
I also don't know what can be done in those situations, though. Having been in that position as Scum with monkey on my back I don't think it's possible to argue your way out of it? More answers just reaffirm her read of you and you end up going in circles. I don't think you can ignore her (which means she scum reads you harder) but I guess just trying to do other things and engage other people? Really the goal would be to stop monkey from persuading others to kill you and not necessarily persuade monkey herself.
I don't have any further context or reason to believe this, but I'll tell you right now that is a fake comment and Aeleus is Scum for making it even if they are Town lol.This got me super paranoid, it's probably nothing but it's the kind of comment that could be read as faked.
No, that was by bussing, not pocketing lol.isn't pocketing how Terra and Nat got to the very end of LB3?
No, they aren't mason/lovers.Also, context clues seem to be indicating to me that Monkey and Natiko are claiming like Lovers/Masons or something?
Not unexpected if Natiko or Monkey had Zip's full claim on the chat. Day 4 ability is stupid strong, you get two mod confirmations in a single day, really late in the game, if Natiko or Monkey are scum they would have to kill Zip for sure.That's an unexpected kill. Must have been some shenanigans happening.
Looks like Scum is wittling down on the Scum suspects lol.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!Monkey, Natiko and Zipped were in a chat where he told them that he could make a check tonight. And Monkey still doesn't doubt Natiko.
He completely pocketed her with the ITAs
Also, the game could end today.
It was a brilliant move, I even warned her while I was in the game. She didn't listen.Monkey, Natiko and Zipped were in a chat where he told them that he could make a check tonight. And Monkey still doesn't doubt Natiko.
He completely pocketed her with the ITAs
Also, the game could end today.
GORLAK YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.Mark my words, Montiko is dying today. Zip's death is too much of a coincidence.
Golark is in the perfect spot to make a splash, with the info I left him and whatever he picked up he should have a full picture now.GORLAK YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.
Right? Zip gets really invested when he has to look like the good guy.my experience is different, if zipped is looking townie you should begin to worry
They totally are. This is the reason why Fran said game might end today. 4 nights = 4 bombs.Packages are probably bombs, yeah?
Come on, someone notice that. Please.
Who has claimed packages so far? Donna got one today.They totally are. This is the reason why Fran said game might end today. 4 nights = 4 bombs.
10 players left, 4 die, 6 left, 3 town vs 3 scum, scum controls the vote, scum wins.
Scum is probably playing it safe in case muffin reversed a bomb or someone didn't get the package.
blarg said:
Monkey mentioned someone else got one but I also missed who got it.Who has claimed packages so far? Donna got one today.
They'd have to nail scum today in order for that to work, no? If the packages really are bombs and they mislunch today then it's over.Monkey mentioned someone else got one but I also missed who got it.
Gorlark should have a high-chance of nailing the bomber, either with my main role or the passive ability of my role if he is killed/lunched.
Well the role stealer is still running around so there is a chance they might hit scum with stu's ability. Also the switcher can redirect a kill, or muffin could have reversed a bomb or reverse a kill tonight. Monkey didn't activate her ITA but can still do that tomorrow and hit scum.They'd have to nail scum today in order for that to work, no? If the packages really are bombs and they mislunch today then it's over.
I get monkey, I really do. She plays in this really strong no-nonsense approach. Anything other than optimal play is stupid. Anything other than optimal play makes no sense.But I’m gonna say this: there’s no possible universe in which I, as scum, having perpetrated a kill that will already make ME look bad, walk into this thread and say dumb shit that makes me look worse. I’m not stupid. And I’m very not-stupid as mafia.
I'm fairly certain Royal was hinting at being the role thief? At least I remember thinking that the last Day Phase over something he said.Well the role stealer is still running around so there is a chance they might hit scum with stu's ability. Also the switcher can redirect a kill, or muffin could have reversed a bomb or reverse a kill tonight. Monkey didn't activate her ITA but can still do that tomorrow and hit scum.
But yeah they really need to hit scum today if they want to win. The fact is they probably don't realize the packages are bombs, so as monkey said, they think they have "more time".
Also I'm curious about royal mentioning he targeted him and muffin.
Seems like it? I wonder if this mean he switched himself with muffin. Or use the sorian check.I'm fairly certain Royal was hinting at being the role thief? At least I remember thinking that the last Day Phase over something he said.
This right here.Monkey, Natiko and Zipped were in a chat where he told them that he could make a check tonight. And Monkey still doesn't doubt Natiko.
He completely pocketed her with the ITAs
Also, the game could end today.
my experience is different, if zipped is looking townie you should begin to worry
I’m really trying to perfect my attentive/inattentive regardless of alignment because of this. It’s hard to fake not paying attention as both town and scum.Right? Zip gets really invested when he has to look like the good guy.
Even Donna is starting to shade her for the hard town read.So Natiko is Scum and he's pocketing Monkey so hard that she can't see him as anything but Town?
In which monkey discovers that people can, and will, lie.I mean, if someone came in and had designed the same role as you, for the same reasons, and had the same general thoughts all game... are you saying you'd scumread them?
Why the hell would I?
I think Donna is in the right track, the last scums have to be in that list, I'll go blarg ->aeleus->natikoblarg -> muffin -> gorlak/kyaa.
I think Donna is in the right track, the last scums have to be in that list, I'll go blarg ->aeleus->natiko
A role claim is too convenient to me, it even works after death? No reason to lunch A then.My guess is Aeleus isn't there because Donna believes in her Guardian Angel haha.
(if A is scum, I'll be shocked. Also well done A if you're scum lol)
This right here.
I even said in my submission that I’m not investigating natiko or Dr. Monkey because if either of them are scum I’m dying night 4.
Which would hopefully give the remaining townies some help in noticing that Montiko are at best T/S, and at worst S/S.
I didn’t know how else to say it other than “the WHO” in that one post.
it’s natiko isn’t it?
Even Donna is starting to shade her for the hard town read.
Donna. the one who doesn't shade. that's how you know monkey is in that pocket deep.
LOL scum may wish they had let zipp live, he'd be entering today with a red check on town due to powers shenanigans. XD
LMAO nothing has gone right for town so far, huh?
Because it's fun? With my Nen I could had probably done a town roleblocker if I cared about winning over everything else, but I made a switcher because I thought that would be more fun to play.Why not make a real killing role?
The main lesson we should take out of this is that we can pretty much twist anything into a town-role if we work hard enough. Muffin even if heavily suspected is still alive somehow, I was sure he would be gone the moment monkey outted him. Natiko tried to kill a player that now turns out was town in plain daylight and he is still top town in eveyone's mind. Stu killed Sorian and maybe if I wasn't vote locked into him... maaaaybe he could have avoid getting lunched that day. Who knows.I know by now we are in spec with our fancy spoilers beating a dead horse but I want to comment on
Because it's fun? With my Nen I could had probably done a town roleblocker if I cared about winning over everything else, but I made a switcher because I thought that would be more fun to play.
Same with ITA, imo for town a well used dayvig>ITAs, but ITAs are fun so I can see why someone would make them
I guess the lesson is to not make assumptions about roles and alignments.
No way! My investigate onLOL scum may wish they had let zipp live, he'd be entering today with a red check on town due to powers shenanigans. XD
No way! My investigate onwould have been swapped around? Oooo that would have been terrible.A
Actually, I think this may have worked for town. If you got a red check on A, and you came forward with that, then the role stealer would have probably come forward saying they switched A and another player, so in a roundabout way you would have hit scum and it would be a great time for you and the role stealer to prove towniness.
LOL that wasn't the power that fucked with Zipps check.
Oooh so it was muffin? Damn, that was rough.