Scum Thread Phantom Troupe

Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
HckMPv9.gif
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
If Zipped does a good investigation, we die. Nobody will trust Blarg after today. But still, lets see this:

1) What took away the scum NK?
2) The miracle is not as biblical as you suggest, one kill makes Mr. Occam suggest that the one kill was the scum NK. The fact that the kill lands on Gorlak, who upon his death grants a day kill, will be a point of considerable suspicion.
3) We'd still need a stray vote but how likely that is to happen when all the suspicion from today will point at you and the new information does not, based on the above, fully absolve you?
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
  1. I did, with newfound magic:
  2. "THE DEAD SPEAK! When I'm lunched I create a Deathless Night and I also get 1 Vigilante-kill to use on anybody I want that same Night. Stopped scum's kill and killed scum!Gorlak for you Town. You're welcome now love me" or something
  3. Therein lies the gambit; I must come off as Townified enough off a dead scum!Gorlak combined with the obvious awe that I will inspire from surviving Yesterday, to bank on the chance that exactly 1 of 2 certain players will believe my "heroics" and go rushing headfirst at Muffin for us. And I like those odds
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
in command-form, this gambit would entail:

Natiko-> KILL: Gorlak
Blargonaut-> STICKY: Muffin
Kyan-> BOMB: empressdonna
Gorlak-> RIP

Or alternatively, I do it myself just in case somebody was Watching me, but no STICKY Muffin is the trade there and Natiko's left doing nothing:

Natiko-> n/a
Blarg-> KILL: Gorlak
Kyan-> BOMB empressdonna
Gorlak-> RIP
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Deathless night. Kills Gorlak on the deathless night. The terminology might need some work but moving on:

1) Have you suspected Gorlak before in a post that could be called understandable to the common reader?
2) Why did you fight back on D2 but not on D4? (countless very easy answers to this exist)
3) Why did you not shoot Muffin or in the larger scale, what was the exact reasoning behind the Gorlak shot over others?
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
Deathless night. Kills Gorlak on the deathless night. The terminology might need some work but moving on:

1) Have you suspected Gorlak before in a post that could be called understandable to the common reader?
2) Why did you fight back on D2 but not on D4? (countless very easy answers to this exist)
3) Why did you not shoot Muffin or in the larger scale, what was the exact reasoning behind the Gorlak shot over others?
Click to expand...
  1. yep, I had called SalvaPot-him "extremely verbose and wordy to the point it looks fake and scummy" a couple of times before
  2. yep, I had to survive 2 Days & Nights in-game before my 1-shot CUSTOM LUNCHPROOF became active. Or something.
  3. donna shot at me so I shot at her back, simple petty revenge, and Aeleus hadn't debuted themselves / confirmed her as alleged Town at that point yet so it seemed like a good choice to me to ITA her. With regards to me attacking Gorl; I was scumreading Salva before, so that's why I did that
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
putting aside my 90%-TO-HIT-IN-XCOM plan for a sec forever / for one sec:

Gorlak said:
Regarding before: yeah sticky only works the first half of the day and without ITA, meh. Who else would you target?

I don't think Aeleus could day time protect every day

Safe option: Bomb Donna, Kill Zipped?
Riskier: Bomb Flush, Kill Donna.
Click to expand...

Kyanrute said:
I prefer the boring option of killing Zipped and bombing Donna.

If Monkey opts to ITA, I shoot my shot and BOOM :D in the same post on the 1st minute.
Click to expand...
This wouldn't be too bad I think
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I was talking about why did you not flip Muffin with your Gorlak-shot. Doesn't that imply that you think Muffin is town? What even is the scum team in your mind here, Zipped + me? Doesn't this implication then scatter the vote board to me, you, Zipped and Muffin and is Muffin going to get any votes to himself if he possibly keeps to his promise of not showing up again.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
If we kill Zipped that removes one scumread player we could've scapegoated though.

And the TOWNCORE is still there.

If y'all wanna go MEDIUM RISK I wouldn't say no to; BOMB: Flush and KILL: Donna
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Blargonaut said:
If we kill Zipped that removes one scumread player we could've scapegoated though.

And the TOWNCORE is still there.

If y'all wanna go MEDIUM RISK I wouldn't say no to; BOMB: Flush and KILL: Donna
Click to expand...

The one townie we can kill who also isn't a likely mislynch candidate as well is Donna. There too I imagine the bomb has the easier time achieving the desired result of her death than a direct kill has. Leaving Zipped alive risks that he checks someone tonight. I oppose touching Flush and Vere - if Flush opts for the switch you will get the bomb.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
If I get your Bomb instead of Flush, I can just survive it with my self-vote. That would even serve to Townify me a bit? Scum!Kyan just tried to kill me? That'd place me as Neutral-aligned if not outright Town, so that's still a Win+ direction if I get your Bomb?

If we actually do BOMB: Flush & KILL: Donna;

Day 5 start:

Royal_Flush (IN PROGRESS: Kyaa~bombing N4)
Dr. Monkey (Kyaa~bombed N2)
Aeleus (Kyaa~bombed N3)
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut
Kyanrute
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.​

so if Dr. Monkey has triggered ITA Phase 2 for tmow; you KYAN would immediately take a potshot ITA at someone + trigger your BOMB :D immediately.. BUT, NOT before you see me do my SELF-VOTE|Shield, as a precaution if Flush swapped ur bomb to me... then it'd be either:

Day 5-A (FLUSH WAS SUCCESSFULLY BOMBED):

Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut (SELF-SHIELDING/VOTING, CANNOT VOTE AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE)
Gorlak

6 players left.
3 Town.
3 Mafia.

2 Mafia votes vs. 3 Town votes.​

or

Day 5-B (FLUSH NOT BOMBED, BLARG BOMBED INSTEAD):

Royal_Flush
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut (SELF-SHIELDING/VOTING, CANNOT VOTE AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE)
Gorlak

7 players left.
4 Town.
3 Mafia.

2 Mafia votes vs. 4 Town votes.​
 
Yuta

Yuta

Is self-voted Blarg safe from kya bomb? (Wait have I asked this before?)

Zipped's check shouldn't matter at all, Blarg and me are goners no matter what. You'll blow yourself up at one point.Natiko is ascetic.

Donna could have protection on herself, yes. Flush could switch, yes. We could miss out on two kills - what are the alternatives in the long run? Flush will get new powers every night, that might fuck us over, especially if he didn't choose to switch tonight. We have to whittle the confirmed.
Writing this out still makes me think bomb Donna is the best option.

Mhm, what are the repercussions of having Zipped out of the picture. Monkey will end up dead too, so all eyes will be on Natiko in the end.
 
Yuta

Yuta

The biggest chance to an actual mislunch that would immediatly win us the game is Muffin. Have we inadvertently cleared Muffin somewhere? I can't recall from memory, but how will the interactions look like? Especially me staying on him instead of Blarg today? Yeah, I tried my best to keep both options going of course, what will town think? Monkey is suspicious of me and only leaves me be because she hopes I reveal mates or town, I'm pretty sure.

If we don't get that mislunch, we have to count the heads and who will be up against whom.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
extrapolating Scenario "KILL: Zipped, BOMB: Donna":

Day 5 start:

Royal_Flush
Dr. Monkey (Kyaa~bombed N2)
Aeleus (Kyaa~bombed N3)
empressdonna (IN PROGRESS: Kyaa~bombing N4)
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios

Natiko
Blargonaut
Kyanrute
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.​

and if Dr. Monkey triggered her ITA (so I would self-vote|Shield first, THEN Kyan takes his ITA-potshot + triggers BOOM :D)...

Day 5 (DONNA BOMBED SUCCESSFULLY):​

Royal_Flush
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios

Natiko
Blargonaut (SELF-SHIELDING/VOTING, CANNOT VOTE AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE)
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.

3 Town votes vs. 2 Mafia votes.
Blarg is self-voting.

While I'm self-voting; Royal_Flush, Verelios & Muffin would all have to vote against me together (6 players, so majority is 4, right?) to eliminate me instantly Tomorrow.

But, if instead; either Royal_Flush or Verelios votes against Muffin... that's 1/4 votes needed. Natiko and Gorlak can vote against Muffin straight after, but that's 3/4; I can't help out with my own scum!vote because I'm STUCK self-voting.

So we'd need BOTH Royal_Flush and Verelios to vote against Muffin so you scum!2 can go for the hammer-kill.

This is the path of "KILL: Zipped, BOMB: Donna".

So... do you think you, Natiko & Gorlak, can convince BOTH Royal_Flush and Verelios to vote against Muffin Tomorrow??​
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Zipped can check Muffin or me for one. Sure I'll blow up at some point, but I think we can't conclude for certain that the day would be tomorrow no matter what.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Blarg, if you get a message about receiving something, that's the bomb. There is no need to do a pre-emptive self vote if you don't see the message.

But yes, that can be added to the pre-BOOM :D checklist - check the scum chat for possible bomb redirection.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Blargonaut said:
Day 5 (DONNA BOMBED SUCCESSFULLY):

Royal_Flush
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios

Natiko
Blargonaut (SELF-SHIELDING/VOTING, CANNOT VOTE AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE)
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.​
Click to expand...
​
continuing Scenario "KILL: Zipped, BOMB: Donna" further...

So let's say at this point, I wasn't charismatic enough the 2nd time around, and Town decides to kill me a 2nd time (but that would NEED Muffin to come back to help vote against me, OR ELSE one of you Nat or Gorlak, would help bus me / hammer me out after Royal_Flush & Vere vote against me)...

Then, it'd be for Night 5:

Night 5 (BLARG LUNCHED FOR GOOD):

Royal_Flush
Muffin
Verelios

Natiko
Gorlak

5 players left.
3 Town.
2 Mafia.
​
...then, Nat & Gor, you could straight-up Night-kill Muffin. Via Nat.

So Day 6 would start like:

Day 6 start:

Royal_Flush
Verelios

Natiko
Gorlak

4 players left.
2 Town.
2 Mafia.​

The TOWNCORE vs. the now OBVIOUS SCUM.

Now forgive me if I don't understand our scum Win condition correctly, but this is a 2 TOWN vs. 2 SCUM scenario, an actual standoff, right? Our Win-condition says we have to control 50% of the votes?

Is this an instant win already then, immediately as soon as D6 begins? Game ends?
 
Yuta

Yuta

Kill Zipped
Bomb Donna
Sticky anyone but Muffin, I'm against him in this regard

Kyanrute said:
Zipped can check Muffin or me for one. Sure I'll blow up at some point, but I think we can't conclude for certain that the day would be tomorrow no matter what.
Click to expand...
A red check on you is only interesting if there is ITA, and in that case you blow up anyway. Of course having you around for another day is A+. I don't think people can be swayed away from Blarg tomorrow. And I think Zipped is more inclined to investigate me.

Kyanrute said:
And really, the one gambit I am fully fine with is Blarg rolling 3*10% to dodge the ITA shots without protection.
Click to expand...
Nah, I'm with Blarg here.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
I just thought of a better claim for myself, how's this:

"Neutral Friend"​
  • Neutral-aligned Dayproof Survivor.
  • I can't be killed during the Day by anything, even bad lunch.
  • I can only be killed at Night.
  • My Win-condition is to survive until either faction wins.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Can anyone explain how Natiko isn't ultimately lunched when both Zipped and Monkey are dead? We are eliminating his cover which he would need in case we miss at some point. That's the only doubt I still have in our plans. Please soothe my worries. Will it be too late for town at that point anyway?
 
Yuta

Yuta

Flush - nen absorber, can switch (turm) or bomb (kalor)
Vere - conjurer, condition: 1 vote on him, could be just about everything check > vig shot > protection
Donna - NO INFO about role, could be anything, no signs anywhere so far, no hard stances, no nothing (well, I'm not going to reread anyone at this point, so there might be a crumb somewhere)
Aeleus - baited with medium talk, as if they were giving suggestions about roles for Donna, bait bait
Monkey - says she has ITA/retaliate, perfect time to use: now
Natiko - ITA, now "vanilla"
Zipped - power gaining, has cop check
Kyanrute - NO INFO see Donna
Gorlak - NO INFO see Donna
Muffin - random reverse night actions
Blarg - unlunchable

I think Donna may be an Enhancer as well, the protective kind. Her laying low, not having info, not putting much out there, being wrong on dubs etc. point against info role. If she were to manipulate she'd talk about it. She could be a communicative Transmuter, if I'm wrong about sorting Nin/Bear in that category, but what are the odds this game we are not involved there? So I'm betting on protective and targeting Flush/Vere or Natiko/Monkey. She didn't target Flush, hm. How do Bodyguard and Doc interact? Who saves first.

IF Flush opts for the switch he might switch Donna/Blarg? He is paying attention & is very thoroughly. He knows there could be ITA to get rid of Blarg, so no need for Kalor bomb? Is he feeling lucky? Would he expect us to target Vere "again", would he anticipate a lower value target at this point?

Let's not make it harder than it is:
My gut feeling says Bomb Flush, Kill Zipped (knowing that puts suspicion on Natiko)
I'm fine with Bomb Donna, Kill Zipped
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Gorlak said:
Can anyone explain how Natiko isn't ultimately lunched when both Zipped and Monkey are dead? We are eliminating his cover which he would need in case we miss at some point. That's the only doubt I still have in our plans. Please soothe my worries. Will it be too late for town at that point anyway?
Click to expand...
Let's say Dr. Monkey dies from Kyan's "BOOM :D" this Day 5...

Natiko had gifted a 100% kill-shot to Dr. M; if it was scum!Natiko's master plan all along to pocket Town!Dr. Monkey by gifting her a gun that she could shoot anybody with (even scum), why would scum!Natiko now agree with the scum team to kill off his most successful work thru Kyan's bloodbath, especially since before she died just now, she hadn't been showing any serious signs of turning against him? If Nat was scum he would've clearly said no to that decision, everything was proceeding perfectly

scum having chosen to kill off Dr. M must mean that Natiko is Town because if he was scum, he would've vetoed scum from killing her

The only possible way Nat is scum is if he concurred with the scum's decision to kill her now, because the scum team doesn't need her anymore and they're moving on to their next part of whatever their plan is or the endgame.

As for Zipped (also) (not) blowing up; we recently had Dr. M and Vere casting side-eye at Zipped for his apparent not-noticing of some key plot points of the game, right? Now that we know Dr. M is Town, and Vere is alleged Confirmed Town (from stu's claimed Investigation of Vere before stu died), and Zipped appearing to have also flipped as Town... and now that we know that Kyan was a scum!Bomber and scum killed Town!Zipped by bombing, not their Night-kill... scum might've been debating constantly whether to continue to keep Town!Zipped alive for a possible mislunching if Dr. M's + Vere's suspicions went that way, or else just kill him; so, they planted a Bomb on him to keep that option open.

"But", Town asks, "Why detonate Zipped and the others now, D5?" Because, you say, this might actually be the scum!ploy to paint Natiko as scummy. Because don't forget that Natiko helped to spearhead the successful lunching of scum!B-Dubs, but out of the chat trio, only Nat was voting against B-Dubs. Town!Dr. Monkey ended D2 by voting Town!malus. Town!Zipped had no vote down on anyone at D2-end. So NOT Bombing Natiko could be scum's plan to kill 2 out of 3 of the chat trio, then say, "Natiko survived the scum!Kyan BOMBING so he must be scum and he was INDEED deep-wolfing the whole time, also since he was the 1st vote against scum!B-Dubs he was clearly bussing B-Dubs! (Mis)lunch him!"...

But you can throw all of that out by insisting what I said above about the Natiko x Dr. Monkey partnership???????

...I dunno I can't figure it out

no big brain from me there sry
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Didn't Natiko say that all of Monkey's shots, even her own, have a 10% hit chance? 72,9% chance to dodge three shots, ez. But I am not the one getting shot at there so you do you.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
Didn't Natiko say that all of Monkey's shots, even her own, have a 10% hit chance? 72,9% chance to dodge three shots, ez. But I am not the one getting shot at there so you do you.
Click to expand...
oh shit, yeah. Forgot, 100% could be a bluff...

hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
(NO) MORE BRAIN POSTS

EVERYBODY SUBMIT YOUR LATEST DRAFT FOR TONIGHT PLS

TEMPLATE HERE:

Natiko-> KILL: ???
Gorlak-> GUNGI: ???
Blargonaut-> STICKY: ???
Kyanrute-> BOMB: ???​
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Gorlak said:
Can anyone explain how Natiko isn't ultimately lunched when both Zipped and Monkey are dead? We are eliminating his cover which he would need in case we miss at some point. That's the only doubt I still have in our plans. Please soothe my worries. Will it be too late for town at that point anyway?
Click to expand...

That won't happen in the near future so we might as well not think about it. All three of us need to die before that becomes relevant. We also need to get to endgame for it to become relevant and can we get there with his covers intact? I quite doubt that.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
If there's no ITA phase Tomorrow; that votebomb would still be on me, right?

So no matter what won't I be starting the Day with a self-vote|Shield anyway? ITA phase or not?
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Blargonaut said:
I just thought of a better claim for myself, how's this:

"Neutral Friend"​
  • Neutral-aligned Dayproof Survivor.
  • I can't be killed during the Day by anything, even bad lunch.
  • I can only be killed at Night.
  • My Win-condition is to survive until either faction wins.
Click to expand...

I suck with balance, but is that too town-aligned for a neutral that is supposed to be able to pick sides? The usual disclaimers about claiming a neutral apply here as well.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Blargonaut said:
If there's no ITA phase Tomorrow; that votebomb would still be on me, right?

So no matter what won't I be starting the Day with a self-vote|Shield anyway? ITA phase or not?
Click to expand...

The presence of the vote bomb will be apparent by the time Flush's steal is made public. That will happen some time between action lock and day start. If he steals turmoil, the bomb can't be there.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
I suck with balance, but is that too town-aligned for a neutral that is supposed to be able to pick sides? The usual disclaimers about claiming a neutral apply here as well.
Click to expand...
Here's the basic version of it: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Survivor

I just added the Dayproof part. It would gel with how I've trollish I've played so far, IMO it's the perfect Neutral Role; Town can't ever get rid of it naturally, while only scum and Vigilantes can kill it off... if they felt like it

Scum can kill me if they want to get rid of the wildcard vote that's maybe dangerous to them in late-game

Town would have to basically beg scum to kill me off for them, or beg whatever killer-PRs are around, if any
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
The presence of the vote bomb will be apparent by the time Flush's steal is made public. That will happen some time between action lock and day start. If he steals turmoil, the bomb can't be there.
Click to expand...
ohhh okay. TY

So if Kalor's Role is wiped, we'll know that Flush has the votebomb... k
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Blargonaut said:
extrapolating Scenario "KILL: Zipped, BOMB: Donna":

Day 5 start:

Royal_Flush
Dr. Monkey (Kyaa~bombed N2)
Aeleus (Kyaa~bombed N3)
empressdonna (IN PROGRESS: Kyaa~bombing N4)
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios

Natiko
Blargonaut
Kyanrute
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.​

and if Dr. Monkey triggered her ITA (so I would self-vote|Shield first, THEN Kyan takes his ITA-potshot + triggers BOOM :D)...

Day 5 (DONNA BOMBED SUCCESSFULLY):​

Royal_Flush
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios

Natiko
Blargonaut (SELF-SHIELDING/VOTING, CANNOT VOTE AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE)
Gorlak

10 players left.
6 Town.
4 Mafia.

3 Town votes vs. 2 Mafia votes.
Blarg is self-voting.

While I'm self-voting; Royal_Flush, Verelios & Muffin would all have to vote against me together (6 players, so majority is 4, right?) to eliminate me instantly Tomorrow.

But, if instead; either Royal_Flush or Verelios votes against Muffin... that's 1/4 votes needed. Natiko and Gorlak can vote against Muffin straight after, but that's 3/4; I can't help out with my own scum!vote because I'm STUCK self-voting.

So we'd need BOTH Royal_Flush and Verelios to vote against Muffin so you scum!2 can go for the hammer-kill.

This is the path of "KILL: Zipped, BOMB: Donna".

So... do you think you, Natiko & Gorlak, can convince BOTH Royal_Flush and Verelios to vote against Muffin Tomorrow??​
Click to expand...
Well we don’t HAVE to end the game tomorrow so even if you get voted out there’s still future hope.

Gorlak said:
2sTWjgc.gif


Hell yeah! BLOOD CANYON!
Click to expand...
I love it, but also I realize now that if we NK Gor Town will 100% just think it was due to Muffin so RIP that plan.

Blargonaut said:
Also doesn't Dr. Monkey gain a 100%-shot? What if she shoots me
Click to expand...
She claims she doesn’t get one but who knows.

Gorlak said:
Can anyone explain how Natiko isn't ultimately lunched when both Zipped and Monkey are dead? We are eliminating his cover which he would need in case we miss at some point. That's the only doubt I still have in our plans. Please soothe my worries. Will it be too late for town at that point anyway?
Click to expand...
Oh I’ll be under heavy scrutiny the moment Zipped flips, more so if Monkey goes boom. The hope is that I can keep it at bay long enough to end the game. Blarg might still be under more suspicion than me at that point. If needed to force the issue the next day Gor we can have you do a fake slip to get voted out maybe.

Blargonaut said:
(NO) MORE BRAIN POSTS

EVERYBODY SUBMIT YOUR LATEST DRAFT FOR TONIGHT PLS

TEMPLATE HERE:

Natiko-> KILL: ???
Gorlak-> GUNGI: ???
Blargonaut-> STICKY: ???
Kyanrute-> BOMB: ???​
Click to expand...
Natiko-> KILL: Zipped or Royal
Gorlak-> GUNGI: N/A
Blargonaut-> STICKY: Muffin or N/A
Kyanrute-> BOMB: empressdonna​
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Natiko said:
I love it, but also I realize now that if we NK Gor Town will 100% just think it was due to Muffin so RIP that plan.
Click to expand...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I will say going for two Town confirms only blows up in our face if both are stopped/if the actual NK is redirected to a scummate. If kyaa only hits two on boom it’s:

4-3, LY Blarg
4-2, NK
3-2, LY Gor
3-1, NK
2-1, instant DK
1-1, NL
1-1, NK
Winner
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
KILL: Zippedpinhead

I hope kyaa ends up instabooming before Montiko crumbles purely for selfish reasons lol
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
So I hold boom if Kalor gets stolen and ITA isn't there? This where we at?

And if I boom, I'll give Gorlak and Blarg a single minute to post to say if they got the bomb redirected to them.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Or is limiting BOOM :D just to ITA the better option? The additional bomb should be a great thing to have and I don't think I am getting lynched unless I massively fib on the mass claim that is to come.

can i just boom so i can skip mass claim plsplspls
 
Yuta

Yuta

@Kyanrute you still have to gift the bomb

Boom only if:
ITA is up+
Blarg selfvote+
Me no bomb (debatable)

Everything else we can react to during the day and there you only wait for Blarg selfvote
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Gorlak said:
But holding out for another day if possible would be pretty cool, do you believe Donna or Vere might shoot you (if they end up having a big shot not ITA)
Click to expand...

I am not the 1st shot either makes. I shouldn't be Donna's 2nd either and I think Vere trusts me somewhat as well. It's just the damn fake claim, I have to distance myself from my targets now and make up everyone from N1 onward. I'll modify the thresh-3 claim a bit I guess.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
STICKYing myself is not compatible with self-vote|Shield

As soon as I do the self-vote|Shield, if I was STICKY the STICKY gets removed
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
So I hold boom if Kalor gets stolen and ITA isn't there? This where we at?

And if I boom, I'll give Gorlak and Blarg a single minute to post to say if they got the bomb redirected to them.
Click to expand...
So just to be clear, if I get your Bomb I get a mod-PM at Day-start, right?
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
but think of the STYLE you would have with a vote lock on yourself and NO PROTECTION

The suggestion on my part at least was 90% memes, 10% nutcase plan that I should not even really be entertaining and 100% of something that we really should not do. I'm fine with Muffin or nobody for the Sticky.

Blargonaut said:
So just to be clear, if I get your Bomb I get a mod-PM at Day-start, right?
Click to expand...

You should, Monkey and A said they got a one. I don't know what it says, because I can't, but it should be pretty standard and non-descriptive. A mentioned a package so that could be a word to look for.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Blargonaut said:
STICKYing myself is not compatible with self-vote|Shield

As soon as I do the self-vote|Shield, if I was STICKY the STICKY gets removed
Click to expand...
I think the idea is sticky on Muffin maybe dissuades votes there, and if you end up having to self vote it’s the same as if you had never used sticky?
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
10% nutcase plan of mine was the Muffin bit in reverse - Sticky Blarg in order to dissuade further votes on him. Don't expect that to actually work and one of us would pretty much have to reveal it by voting and unvoting there, what then gets one of us locked there and makes majority control harder.

or in other words the company is making me insane and this is what you get grrrrr
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Here’s my understanding of our day start tree:

  • Check which power got stolen (prior to day start(
  • AT DAY START: If ITA is up Blarg Self Votes
  • AT DAY START: If ITA is up Kyaa go boom after Blarg self votes? DEBATABLE MUST DECIDE
  • IF KALOR STOLEN: Wait for claim of it, if on Kyaa then Kyaa go boom. If on Blarg then Blarg self vote
  • IF TURM STOLEN: Wait to see if one of us got bombed
Honestly the best path to victory is to just preserve Kyaa + any of us. If I need to go today then that’s okay, because it means Kyaa can package more people. It’s only if Kyaa goes boom that my survival becomes more important because we need someone to live long enough to use the day kill from Gor.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Also if at any point Muffin gets two Town votes on him we open wolf probably. Don’t think they can catch up from a ML at any point now. That we can win without a single ML going forward and that all of our assumptions are working from that premise is probably making this seem harder than it is. We just need any one of us to be town read more than Muffin at some point in this process.
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
yeah... I've been leery of STICKYing Muffin for exactly that reason that he might become more Town-read because of it, and that's no good

k then

STICKY: Blargonaut
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
We should actually just stall until it’s kyaa vs all bombed townies and go for a no one wins ending
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
When I die, someone will connect the dots and understand that I got Muffin'd N1. You can argue against him being cleared by that with something like:

- scum did not know their mate's roles before the game so Muffin could very well be scum
- just because I got Muffin'd it does not mean that he can't be scum, he can't control his role after all
- in fact maybe that is the reason he wants to die so much - he fucked up one bomb delivery so the scum team saw that he had to be gotten rid of sooner than later
 
Blargonaut

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Kyanrute said:
When I die, someone will connect the dots and understand that I got Muffin'd N1. You can argue against him being cleared by that with something like:

- scum did not know their mate's roles before the game so Muffin could very well be scum
- just because I got Muffin'd it does not mean that he can't be scum, he can't control his role after all
- in fact maybe that is the reason he wants to die so much - he fucked up one bomb delivery so the scum team saw that he had to be gotten rid of sooner than later
Click to expand...
VERY GOOD​
 
Yuta

Yuta

Can you help me out 'mates? I need honest, direct opinions:

I see dead people.

Once every night I can ask dead townies one question. All I get as an answer is either one playername or a yes/no.

N1: Is Stu scum? Answer: yes
N2: Who should I have an eye on? Answer: Kyanrute
N3: Is Vere's confirm trustable? Answer: no
N4: Is there scum in Montiko? Answer: yes

When I die, during the next phase I can send one limited post to a player of my choice (only 50 words, only mention one playername)
Salva made me/himself a victim :'(
I target players and if they use a negative utility they will redirect onto me. Whenever I get targeted by a nk, I will soak all other kills that phase as well.

N1: Stu
N2: Blargonaut
N3: Monkey
N4: Natiko

I've got nothing to report, there were no tangible effects I got told about :/
I have different x-shots. I can

motivate someone (+1 target),
recharge (+1 shot for an already used power),
enhance (add a modifier like "blocked" or "unblockable")
give them 1 shot commute

and that already sounds scummy as hell... a town enhancer would give out a bp... can't think of something better at the moment

And yes as Natiko said, if at some point I need to get gone before one of you guys I'll "slip" or flub this claim.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Natiko said:
Who would confirm the third one?
Click to expand...
I didn't go that far, because role sounds scummy as hell and there isn't anyone I can get in on this. Would be empty words... Maybe a real bad claim gets me up the priority list, so we can ensure the extra kill?
 
Yuta

Yuta

I could go with a red check on Verelios. "yeah, I know. lunch me and go for Vere after you've confirmed my check."
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
1) Is one of those claims that will gain you some town karma because some people adore creative roles like that and on the other hand because that is a very townie claim. On the other hand it cannot be proven. The answers you've gotten might also be too attached to the play that went down. The second question is bad when compared against others, too open-ended and it comes on N2 of all nights - that was the night of the tie. You can spin some things away though with being a replacement to Salva, so that is a boon as well.

2) Relies on town good will and the WIFOM ending up on "scum wouldn't claim such an insignificant role that can't be proven." Low result ceiling and hard to predict where it'd lead. Might be tame enough to get the attention away from you for a day. N3 and N4 targets are insane or did you mean it to be that you protect the targets from negative effects?

3) You'd need someone to confirm you so I'd avoid this.
 
Kyanrute

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
But I also think I might be too doom and gloom about your position in the town hierarchy Gorlak so maybe you need not prove the claim, maybe selling them a townie claim is enough for a day or two.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Gorlak said:
I didn't go that far, because role sounds scummy as hell and there isn't anyone I can get in on this. Would be empty words... Maybe a real bad claim gets me up the priority list, so we can ensure the extra kill?
Click to expand...
I feel like there’s other ways to manage that without risking you being the very next voted out lol

Gorlak said:
I could go with a red check on Verelios. "yeah, I know. lunch me and go for Vere after you've confirmed my check."
Click to expand...
No way that works when Stu shared a green one
 
Yuta

Yuta

Natiko said:
I feel like there’s other ways to manage that without risking you being the very next voted out lol
Click to expand...
Just in case people are steering hard towards you.

But thanks for the answers! So I'll probably go with claim #1, I like that the best anyway. The second question there is to retroactively explain my "meta" scumread of Kyan and of course q3 for my swerve to Vere. I'm not sold on q4 yet, but I'll make it work somehow!
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Gorlak said:
DAMN IT Flush is 3-shot of course people. Fran probably narfed that, there never was the risk of a switch.
Click to expand...
Could be, if so oh well. B-Dubs wasn’t shot limited so it was reasonable to not expect Flush to be either - his limitation being he can’t store multiple.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Natiko said:
Could be, if so oh well. B-Dubs wasn’t shot limited so it was reasonable to not expect Flush to be either - his limitation being he can’t store multiple.
Click to expand...
Yeah, maybe difference in town/scum role as always or he held back his last of 4 shots? Risky? Nah. And still Donna or the vote on Vere could've protected Flush anyway. We'll be fine.
I hope.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom