Scum Thread Making plans for the world

[SalvaPot]

I want to change my tag to "Always Scummy, Never Scum"

 

[Chuggernaut]

I think I’m going to ask to change mine to “I’m always scum” after this

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm kind of impressed by how well you're selling that garbage vote lol

 

[SalvaPot]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm kind of impressed by how well you're selling that garbage vote lol

I'm not selling it xD,, is something I do a lot as town too, is how I got the full scum team on Avatar mafia, I was only wrong about monkey.

 

[SalvaPot]

When I say I read the flow of game, this is what I mean. Players, both scum or town, play safe, because they don't wanna die. But the game is not about you winning, is about your team winning. If you put any of them on the spot, they have to take risk. And that is when you can tell if a player is putting town first or themselves first. If it seems they are putting themselves first... then they are probably not town.

 

[Hedin]

I'm noticing that even with the Sparks info that Fanto hasn't change their vote on me. I'm still guessing that whenever they get offed then people will look to see that vote and put a couple of things together. Roleblocking him might buy me a day, depending if he thinks the jig is up and claims to get doc protection, but just be prepared to sacrifice me soon.

I'm leaning towards checking out nin tonight, call it a gut call on the way they are playing.

 

[Chuggernaut]

That's fair. I can strong kill Fran because of that comment about not needing protection and might as well.

So strong kill Fran.

Investigate nin

Role block Fanto

 

[Hedin]

Yep I agree with taking out Fran, that was going to be my suggestion.

 

[Hagi]

That's fair. I can strong kill Fran because of that comment about not needing protection and might as well.

So strong kill Fran.

Investigate nin

Role block Fanto

I'm happy with this getting rid of Fran now seems like a good idea i can see them being a pain the longer this goes on.

 

[Hedin]

man1954goat
Hagi - Scum (us)
MrHedin - Scum (us)
Fanto - N1 reveal
turmoil7 - Lunched D1, Emil (town), Roleblocker
TheChuggernaut - Scum (us)
Fran
Sorian - D1 claims Neir
Stantastic
Stuart444 - N1 shadow kill
Aeleus
Kalor
Funky Dude Sparks - Lunched D2, Kalil & Beepy (neutral)
SalvaPot - Scum (us)
Reki - D1 claims Princess
Razmos
Vincent Alexander
Benghis Khan
nin
Lone_Prodigy

 

[Hedin]

grr...copied the wrong one:

jman1954goat
Hagi - Scum (us)
MrHedin - Scum (us)
Fanto - N1 reveal, Role Fisher
turmoil7 - Lunched D1, Emil (town), Roleblocker
TheChuggernaut - Scum (us)
Fran
Sorian - D1 claims Neir, scum Roleblock and kill N1
Stantastic
Stuart444 - N1 shadow kill
Aeleus
Kalor
Funky Dude Sparks - Lunched D2, Kalil & Beepy (neutral)
SalvaPot - Scum (us)
Reki - D1 claims Princess
Razmos
Vincent Alexander
Benghis Khan
nin
Lone_Prodigy

 

[SalvaPot]

That's fair. I can strong kill Fran because of that comment about not needing protection and might as well.

So strong kill Fran.

Investigate nin

Role block Fanto

sounds good to me

 

[Chuggernaut]

SHADE PIERCE: Fran

 

[SalvaPot]

Block: Fanto

 

[lokiduck]

SHADE PIERCE: Fran

Block: Fanto

COMMAND RECEIVED

 

[Hedin]

Reveal: nin

 

[lokiduck]

Reveal: nin

COMMAND RECEIVED

 

[lokiduck]

@Hagi Your BP was used up. - Hansel tried his best to protect you Gretel, but he died unfortunately in the process giving his all. (Please ignore the fact that Salvapot who is Hansel is still alive >>)

 

[lokiduck]

SHADE PIERCE: Fran

Your Strongman kill has been used up

 

[lokiduck]

Reveal: nin

Your target is a miller.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Should I walk in with a fake red check on nin

 

[Chuggernaut]

Man, someone shooting Hagi is some not good stuff

 

[Hagi]

Hmm so wait is Salva still alive then? I’m not sure how to take that. I mean if he’s still alive we play that just have to figure out how to flip me not dying.

 

[lokiduck]

Hmm so wait is Salva still alive then? I’m not sure how to take that. I mean if he’s still alive we play that just have to figure out how to flip me not dying.

(Please ignore the fact that Salvapot who is Hansel is still alive >>)

 

[Hagi]

Ooh interesting

guess the person who tried to kill me will be pretty confused as to why nobody died then unless there’s some twist waiting in the wings in the opening day 3 post

 

[Hagi]

With any luck it was Fran that tried to kill me lol

 

[Chuggernaut]

Got baited hard to use that strong kill. Well played Fran

 

[Hagi]

Hmm can I use Fran as an excuse on why I didn’t die? They were a bodyguard after all

 

[SalvaPot]

Hmm can I use Fran as an excuse on why I didn’t die? They were a bodyguard after all

You could but you don't need to, it would be suspicious if you say that since only whoever shot you should know that.

 

[Hedin]

jman1954goat
Hagi - Scum (us), Attacked on N2 and lost BP
MrHedin - Scum (us)
Fanto - N1 reveal, Role Fisher, N2 role blocked
turmoil7 - Lunched D1, Emil (town), Roleblocker
TheChuggernaut - Scum (us)
Fran - N2 strongman kill, Bodyguard
Sorian - D1 claims Neir, scum Roleblock and kill N1
Stantastic
Stuart444 - N1 shadow kill
Aeleus
Kalor
Funky Dude Sparks - Lunched D2, Kalil & Beepy (neutral)
SalvaPot - Scum (us)
Reki - D1 claims Princess
Razmos
Vincent Alexander
Benghis Khan
nin - N2 reveal, Miller
Lone_Prodigy

 

[SalvaPot]

Should I walk in with a fake red check on nin

I don't see why not, if anyone saw you check on nin they can back you up, and we can waste the day on the track. But you should take the chance to clear Fanto too. When nin flips town his role should make it clear he was a miller, and so will he in his defense.

And it makes perfect sense to claim now since you have one green check and one red check.

I think it's a win, if played right.

 

[Hedin]

I do notice that Fanto has three of us at the bottom of his list. Salva, are you able to block someone on consecutive nights? As long as he's blocked I feel ok but if not I would rather get rid of him sooner than later to be safe.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I don't see why not, if anyone saw you check on nin they can back you up, and we can waste the day on the track. But you should take the chance to clear Fanto too. When nin flips town his role should make it clear he was a miller, and so will he in his defense.

And it makes perfect sense to claim now since you have one green check and one red check.

I think it's a win, if played right.

The only issue is that I’m sure there’s another cop

 

[SalvaPot]

The only issue is that I’m sure there’s another cop

Sure, but that other cop has nothing to show yet. You could wait for that other cop to check on nin and do the job. It really depends if you are fine with playing as we are, safe, or playing as if you are town for everyone other than the other cop that still has to counter your claim.

How ballsy we want to play this.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also I’m not the one who actually investigated them so a tracker would have seen me at Stu or Fran

 

[SalvaPot]

Also I’m not the one who actually investigated them so a tracker would have seen me at Stu or Fran

I'll argue is more suspicious if you don't say anything now and someone saw you checking nin. But you could say you were afraid scum might kill you since Fran died, so I guess it can wait.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'll argue is more suspicious if you don't say anything now and someone saw you checking nin. But you could say you were afraid scum might kill you since Fran died, so I guess it can wait.

What I’m saying is I didn’t check nin so no one would have seen me there lol. That would be in Hedins court

 

[Chuggernaut]

Fuck it I think I'm going for it.

How likely is a weak JOAT who doesn't get to pick his targets.

 

[Chuggernaut]

(Hedin this probably would be stronger coming from you because a tracker would have seen you there, but if you don't want to that's chill)

 

[Hedin]

Yeah I can make the play and see how well I can pull it off. Just because the terminology here is different than what I am used to (like we never called anyone a cop), what would be the role name that I am claiming?

 

[Hedin]

Also, thinking through this, would Fanto find it odd if he was checked N1 and then blocked last night?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Cop is what you would be claiming, yeah. I'd recommend drip feeding it a bit. Like place a vote on nin and act very confident that he's scum. When pressed say you checked him and that he was scum. If someone asks who else you checked say Fanto and that he's town. Be vague about how many shots you have. If we pull it off say you were blocked during the night phase on the next day. They'll catch on, but that should buy you some time.

Fanto might, but I'm betting he'll just assume scum thought he might be worth blocking

 

[Chuggernaut]

Going to go in a bit on you two by the by

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm going to go ahead and place a vote on you, Hagi, but once the stuff with nin pops off I'll probably move it

 

[Hedin]

I'll be there in an hour or so after my kids go to bed.

 

[SalvaPot]

I kinda want to do the move myself just so I can claim I was on Fanto today and nin last day.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I kinda want to do the move myself just so I can claim I was on Fanto today and nin last day.

I actually noticed on reread that Hedin actually went after both of them a bit. Fanto in day 1 and nin on day 2, so it actually works out for the most part

 

[Hedin]

Yep, I was thinking the same thing, it felt natural that I checked them.

 

[Hedin]

Not much going on so far and don't want to be too aggressive yet, will see just see how things look in the morning.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Just wait a bit and then just straight up claim you cop checked nin if no one bites.

 

[SalvaPot]

No, I think nin is itching to claim miller, if you are going to use that red check you have to do it before nin does his thing and sells it. Sure, no one would buy it, but you'll get some town points out of it.

Unless you want nin to self-destruct without dirtying your hands.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Okay there you go. Thanks Fanto

 

[Chuggernaut]

Best case is if the cop counterclaims. nin probably still dies, we roleblock the cop, and you can come in and say you were ALSO blocked and we probably get to talk town into killing the cop, because you at least have a red check

 

[Hagi]

Feel free to throw me under the bus if things get dicey. Apparently something happens when I die so that will be interesting to see.

 

[Hedin]

I hope that it wouldn't be taking out Salva in the process although that would be rather harsh.

 

[Hagi]

hmm interesting things afoot. Totally expect if i survive today that i'll either get checked or something worse during the night.

 

[Hedin]

What's the usual order of events? Would a jman shot come before our attack?

 

[Chuggernaut]

hmm interesting things afoot. Totally expect if i survive today that i'll either get checked or something worse during the night.

If you make it through the day we can roll block Jman, and switch you with someone else

 

[Hagi]

hmm I only know in yu-gi-oh terms but I think it would need to be negated first to stop his attack resolving. I assume even if he dies his attack will still go through.

 

[Chuggernaut]

WAIT!

WE JUST SWITCH HAGI WITH JMAN

 

[Chuggernaut]

Or Hagi with insert other townie we want to get rid of.

 

[Hedin]

Oh man, that would be hilarious.

 

[Hagi]

that would be pretty funny

 

[Hagi]

hows does switcher work? i'm seeing different things for it

 

[Chuggernaut]

From my PM

1 Switcher Shot: If you submit the command MISDIRECT: Name1 and Name 2, all actions that happen to the targeted players will be switched to the other one instead.

So we switch you with someone else and Jman ends up shooting someone else. Also will throw any eyes on you for a loop

 

[Hagi]

ooh that's spicey because it'll cast doubt on Jmans role claim I like it

 

[Hedin]

Yep. I would prefer to go after Fanto if we do that.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Well we were killing Fanto either way. So we can have Hagi kill him, and then switch Hagi with someone else, and Jman will shoot them. Maybe Aeleus or Raz

 

[Hedin]

I'm kind of thinking that Vincent might be a real cop.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I don’t think he would of bit on your nin vote if he was. We might want to check Kalor or LP. I could see those two keeping quite if they were the real cop

 

[Hedin]

Does your switcher shot use up our night attack as well?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Does your switcher shot use up our night attack as well?

Nope. Just can’t do the kill if I use it

 

[Chuggernaut]

after what LP said I’m getting the real cop is Kalor. We should block and check him tonight.

 

[Hedin]

Yeah after Vincent's latest posts I retract my previous statement.

 

[Chuggernaut]

It could maybeeeee be Stove, but I think Kalor is the only one who hasn’t just walked in and accepted the claim yet so I’m betting it’s him

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also Hedin you might want to vote for Hagi too just to make that more general consensus.

 

[Chuggernaut]

For the shot, not the actual vote

 

[Hagi]

Yeah it’s actually preferable at this point if people go for me for Jmans shot. Even if I don’t last another day phase off this works it’ll be funny.

 

[Hedin]

Yeah Kalor's last post is making it seem like he's the cop. I had Hagi in a post earlier but I guess it wasn't in the format his highness wanted to see.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah I’m thinking Kalor has himself a red check on me. Oh well, we’re playing with fire here, but this should buy us a couple days

 

[Hedin]

I think if we can get through the next two days we should be in OK shape.

 

[Chuggernaut]

We’ll probably lose someone tomorrow, but this should cause enough confusion for us to pull out a win. Just depends on what Jman does with that second shot. I kind of want to make him shoot himself, but he’ll probably have some protection

 

[Chuggernaut]

Although this game is BP galore so maybe we don’t have a doctor

 

[SalvaPot]

What if we switch hagi with jman, so jman kills himself and makes it look like jman was killed by scum, while our real kill is on someone else.

 

[Hagi]

Making him shoot himself would be pretty funny not gonna lie.

 

[Hedin]

I wonder mechanically how that would work but that would I would love to see his reaction if that happened. I feel like if I was town I would definitely be telling him his little vote idea is bad because it gives scum an idea of what he might do.

 

[Chuggernaut]

WAIT I HAVE A PLAN

 

[Chuggernaut]

So we need to check Kalor first, but if he's a cop we can't kill him because the jig is up for Hedin as soon as he flips. We can fuck his credibility though.

Here's what I think we should do. Block Kalor and check him tonight, and go forward with this if he is the cop. Kill Fanto. Switch Hagi. Now while I think that having Jman shoot himself would be hilarious, I also think he's manageable and I think taking out Aeleus might do us more good.

So if Kalor IS a cop, Hedin should come in fucking hot with a red check on me tomorrow. Kalor isn't going to be able to counterclaim because you're going to have the higher credibility of the two, so we can honestly just leave him there for a bit. This should be Hagi some more time too with how much I've been going after him today. Kill and block Jman the next night, and I really don't think you'll have too much issue making it to a win.

 

[Hedin]

Realistically I probably only have two days left so I'm fine making a Kalor gambit as I'm probably a sitting duck by D5.

 

[Hedin]

Jman doing a slingshot on Salva?

 

[SalvaPot]

Yeah I feel we are already in trouble, we should just go for several kills. And try to swerve town into taking other players down.

 

[SalvaPot]

I hope jman tries to kill me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Our entire team is being held up by a house of cards lmao

 

[Hedin]

Yes it is. I feel like we know what we need to have happen to get to a win and there is definitely a window open but it could come crashing down very quickly.

 

[SalvaPot]

I wish I could have more time to play, since I'm reaction slow and most other players beat me to the good takes.

 

[Hagi]

Not going to lie people seem to be all over the place with Jmans thing it's hard to keep up who's voting who

 

[Hedin]

I'm going stay relatively low in that thread today, I don't think there is much more anyone can get out of the discussions.

 

[Hedin]

Ok, I know the safe thing would be to switch Hagi (assuming Hagi is the target) with someone else and try to get 2 kills that way. However crazy possible play, what if we switched Hagi with me and hope that there is another doc or bodyguard out there to save me? It might buy me some cred to show that there was an attack against me, possibly take out another bodyguard, and maybe even cause more confusion over jman.

 

[Chuggernaut]

That’s a little bit too ballsy even for me. I really don’t think we have much in the way of doctor shots so that might just get you killed

 

[Hedin]

I did say it was crazy.