If the apocalypse comes, beep me.

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 5 2017 at 11:00pm
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Planning thread for plans.
I made a spreadsheet. It's not done. But it has a rough sketch of roles and things. I could add a couple more, depending on size. I could remove some but not sure I wanna. I may have gone overboard with some roles. But I'm trying to capture the Buffy spirit. I got creative. Should I link it? I'm afraid. cabot and palmer are gonna eat me.
Oh, I see, I should set the board up with different threads for the different things? I was looking at some of the past games' creation boards. Can do. Wasn't sure how to proceed.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 5 2017 at 11:19pm
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okay, uh, be gentle. it's just ideas. i mean, i did it all in like an hour and a half. should I make this an editable link? I think it's just viewable for now
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mta4ckcplD9CSvqB6dptl1knmyMQcMvTLWWWLU2X5pU/edit?usp=sharing
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 6 2017 at 11:57am
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This game is terrible and I haven't even read it yet.

Gentle enough?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 6 2017 at 12:59pm
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Okay, I fooled with some things again but am probably not going to fool with anything else until someone looks. I haven't written anything but roles because I want to get all that in before I do other stuff, obviously. It's role heavy but I want the roles to reflect the frame, not to super affect the game, so there are places to lose abilities, x-shots, etc.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 7 2017 at 2:04am
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can we edit?

was gonna shift rows around so that say all ordinaries are together
maybe colour code alignments
Have you seen one of my sheets? Just copy me
COPY ME
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 7 2017 at 3:49am
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brief thoughts from attempting to dissect the madness
- 1-shot and 1-shot backup doctor is far too weak.
- Glory is a 2-shot SK that has no relation to the win condition? That needs to change
- Mayor should not absorb all powers, probably NK immune? if so then a infinishot Doctor is a must
- D'Hoffryn's win con is too easy (if it is only one female since there are a lot in game), would advise against removing from the game. If multiple are removed it's essentially an arsonist, you can't have a SK and an arsonist simultaneously. One or the other.
- Watchers are borderline bastard, up to you to have one but its a v powerful role.
- Who turns off the odd-night commuter?
There's a lot more thoughts, I think you're throwing a lot of mechanics into a single game, should narrow the scope a bit.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 7 2017 at 7:43am
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I can make it editable. I will probably redo it it completely when I have some things to get rid of. Let me answer some of that.
-I thought that may be the case so I'll look at that.
-Well, I was thinking that she needed to find/kill Dawn (since that's her storyline) - may be better then to replace D'Hoffryn with Ben and give her that partner? D'Hoffyn's awesome but Glory probably makes a better neutral as things go in terms of the game. Then that gets rid of two neutrals with kill/removal powers. But I like the D'Hoffryn idea
-Can I mitigate the "official" water designation? I don't want to get particularly bastardy but I mean... he's a watcher.
-Does anyone have to turn off the odd-night commuter? I get what you're saying, because robot, but she could just be on a cycle.
When I sketched out initial initial ideas (pre-spreadsheet), just thinking about Buffy, I figured it would have to be pretty role-heavy because Buffy, so I just want to find ways to balance. I want it to be silly and fun. I will make some adjustments to the sheet and set it editable and let you know.
THANK YOU
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 7 2017 at 9:06am
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I just think commuter as a role, it's kind of pointless to turn it off. You play low key on the nights you can be killed, and you go balls out on the ones where you can't
It just seems like you'd never turn it off, because that's crazy.
Think of the roles first, then fit the theme fluff around them.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 7 2017 at 9:09am
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A doctor is probably the single most common role in any Mafia game, limiting it is a mistake.
The chances of protecting someone is very low, unless you magically survive till end game.
You can keep the watcher, I just am noting you need to balance the scum, cause it's a hella powerful role.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 7 2017 at 9:12am
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I think the conditional PRs should probably go, if only for your own sanity.
Even basic games can be a handful to keep on top of, you have a game with multiple different outcomes based on who killed who when and where, it's gonna be a massive headache.
this will be your first game as mod, I'd encourage maybe a lesser insanity measurement, then build up to the crazy games.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 7 2017 at 9:18am
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All right. I'm out and about. Give me some time to update and then you can tell me what you think. I'm probably going to choose to die on at least one not-recommended hill because I'm a stubborn asshole.
As for the Buffybot, I suggested alternating commuter with an automatic shutoff ever other night as explanation because she's a robot. Not that it would get turned off manually or by choice or anything. I guess I just wasn't clear on that one. Robotness was just the fluff.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 8 2017 at 10:54am
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Okay, I made some edits but I'm not done so DON'T LOOK YET but here's the edit link docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mta4ckcplD9CSvqB6dptl1knmyMQcMvTLWWWLU2X5pU/edit?usp=sharing
I have a writeup I want to put in here about my reasoning before you start mucking with shit. shit-mucker.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 10 2017 at 11:08am
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Okay, I've been busy, sorry! Here's some notes:
22 players right now
15 town, 5 scum, 2 neutral
I will die on the hill about the one-shot BP traveling from woman to woman - though only for human females, which means it can only go to Willow, Tara, Cordelia if Buffy loses it. That’s not much to keep up with, just a line in a spreadsheet. I took off the other conditional powers. I removed the other conditionals but I still have notes in about Andrew.
I see several watchers in past GAFia games - what makes it bastard?
Is making Harmony Hated kinda shitty? I haven’t seen it used but I haven’t looked through all the games. 5 scum seemed like a lot with a sk neutral so I wanted to make it slightly more even, so I picked Harmony instead of another baddie.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 10 2017 at 9:13pm
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Further note - I do have a line in there about making two games. I could make a more straightforward game from seasons 1-3 and then do 4-6 and let shit get cray. Which would give me practice. But also restricts some of the more fun characters.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 11 2017 at 10:15am
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its just bastard because it just gives loads of info , i mean its not ridiculous or anything.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 11 2017 at 12:45pm
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So does this mean you love my setup? YOU LOVE IT? IT'S PERFECT? AND AMAZING? that's all I'm reading here.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 14 2017 at 1:30pm
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what happens to glory if she dawn dies and shes not involved

the mayor is too powerful if it absorbs everything.
Make him NK immune to offer some protection for scum (maybe bring scum count from 5 to 4 if you do this)
The rolling BP is too powerful. Maybe make it a 2-shot rolling? like kill 1, it goes to another then thats it. Drop the JOAT BP.
You've got a lot of roles that can stop kills but like what maximum three kills in one night?
If you want to keep the BPs, then drop the doctor.
My head hurts, where is Palmer.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 15 2017 at 10:32am
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hahahaha I'M SORRY I MADE SHIT ALL COMPLICATED. I need like, a formula. I will make changes and let you know. Palmer is MIA. Bowlie offered to help vet too.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 15 2017 at 10:33am
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I like the rolling BP being x-shot. Didn't think of that. Am dumb.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 16 2017 at 8:23am
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yo you still need to think of a win con for neutral if the dawn con fails.

If it was a single neutral then I'd be okay with exiting them from the game of a FAIL, but having 2 that could theoretically do that is too damaging.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 16 2017 at 8:26am
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here's the BREXIT MAFIA game sheet:

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L2MA8iDdzuDxpeQ-AQ2D_3vi23OSEYEx7nYrE6EBBe0/edit?usp=sharing
I'd advise copying the template with faction matching colours and what not.
You'd be surprised how much better vetting a game is with an easy-to-read spreadsheet.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 17 2017 at 11:26am
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Okay, it's all changed, and I cleaned up some abilities as well as moved role/ability/notes around, so it should be easier to read. If Palmer's not here and you want Bowlie's help, he did offer!
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Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 3:10am
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My advice on the seer would be alternate nights instead of 50% chance of success.

Roles that have an element of RNG chance in them are pretty rubbish, we had it once in election.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 3:17am
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I think the double voter should be dropped, that's pretty powerful especially when scum has a Hated role.

Replace with an investigator? Tracker maybe?
Hated should probably lose that ability in mylo/lylo.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 8:14am
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Oh, I like these. I'll make the changes to Drusilla and Harmony. Should I make Giles just a cop - or should I make him someone who can tell if someone is human or not? That impacts players of all factions. Would that be too weird?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 9:44am via mobile
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Eh I'd say no. It's essentially a fluff cop that doesn't confirm anything useful
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 10:27am
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Okay, so just a regular cop - Unlimited? 2-shot, since another has one shot? 3 shot? Or do you think a tracker would be better?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 11:48am
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Poor cabot. You're doing the lords work over here. Should I leave Spike and Angel as neighbors? I like the idea of giving them a chat and I'm fine with them being linked.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 12:01pm via mobile
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I prefer tracker but that's a peeve. I don't like cops because they give perfect information.
It should be x shot regardless of power I think.
Are these masons or neighbours. By that I mean will they have their alignment confirmed to each other or not
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 12:30pm
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I would say NOT confirmed because they could both go either way - spike starts as a bad guy and angel flips around. Why is Watcher bastard but Tracker isn't? I'm sorry I have so many questions but I wanna make sure I understand things. Spreadsheet easier to read now?
edit: will make him a two-shot tracker. i think that'll work well with him as librarian. research, following clues. and it doesn't shake things up too much while still providing info.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 12:47pm via mobile
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Because tracker is more ambiguous. There's more room for interpretation for tracker whereas a watcher is a lot more definitive
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 12:48pm via mobile
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What do you mean they can go either way? It looks like they're both town
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 12:55pm
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I mean, if you didn't know their alignment but you knew the characters. Sorry, was unclear. From a player perspective, even if they told each other they're town, and their character names, there's reason to doubt.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Jun 18 2017 at 1:26pm
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Jun 18 2017 at 12:55pm heymonkey said:
I mean, if you didn't know their alignment but you knew the characters. Sorry, was unclear. From a player perspective, even if they told each other they're town, and their character names, there's reason to doubt.

fluff is fluff.
If a mod tells the two players they're town aligned, then they are town aligned.
No reason to doubt it.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 1:47pm
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palmer, if you happen to be peeking at this, we also talked on discord and if cabot says okay I will post that.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 2:17pm
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Chat highlights:

cabot - Today at 4:29 PM
i dont tend to make games with lots of PRs so I am not the best at judging either
right now i'd call it role madness
normal games the majority should be ordinary

hey_monkey - Today at 4:30 PM
but lord, don't let them think there's only one vanilla

cabot - Today at 4:30 PM
the minority are ordinary here

hey_monkey - Today at 4:30 PM
right.
that much I know! but it's buffy and shit should be crazy

cabot - Today at 4:30 PM
if theres a review thread up that point should be made i think
role madness doesnt mean everyone has a role
theres a mafiascum wiki definition somewhere
think it states it at 75% of players have PRs

hey_monkey - Today at 4:31 PM
yeah, that all got discussed to death with PPM
my biggest question right now is are the numbers off? is that too many scum if there are neutrals? i'm not great at judging that
jesus, i almost replied to you on the forum. re angel and spike: if I DO NOT tell them their alignment but just give them a chat and let them talk it out, that's neighbors, right? alignments are not guaranteed?
like I know that they are town. but they don't.

cabot - Today at 4:36 PM
yeah neighbours is a chat between players, no alignment guaranteed, masons are confirmed alignment
so spike and angel are ordinary outside of the chat right

hey_monkey - Today at 4:38 PM
yes
but i am open to all ideas

cabot - Today at 4:38 PM
motion detecter should be automatic
its a relatively weak power

hey_monkey - Today at 4:38 PM
i thought so

cabot - Today at 4:39 PM
no point in limiting it

hey_monkey - Today at 4:39 PM
thank you, anonymous rabbit

cabot - Today at 4:42 PM
you're a phd student, so you must be good at math. One good way of testing the game balance is calculate the worst case scenario
like whats the earliest the game could end

hey_monkey - Today at 4:43 PM
I'm a phd student in ENGLISH. your logic fails

cabot - Today at 4:43 PM
oh lord

hey_monkey - Today at 4:43 PM
but let me look
well, rhetoric, which is specialized and I do data analysis BUT STILL
i don't do like, lit and shit.

cabot - Today at 4:43 PM
maybe palmer will do it, i was never good at calculating it

hey_monkey - Today at 4:44 PM
let's say d1 they lynch a vampire. that takes out both spike and angel. n1 they target buffy, hit tara, willow gets activated. that's down three townies n1. hang on.
d2 willow uses her vig, hits a townie. they lynch another townie. that's down 5. worst case, SK and minion have found dawn, they take her out, and they leave the game. n2, they kill another town.
town is in a bad place by d3 or d4

cabot - Today at 4:47 PM
does your strongman break BP as well as doc

hey_monkey - Today at 4:48 PM
in terms of flavor i would say no. in terms of mafia mechanics it seems like yes. i would like to ask your opinion though - does scum team need it to be yes for balance?
should it be one shot or two also?

cabot - Today at 4:48 PM
its a mod choice, though it makes it less useful if it doesnt stop BP
flavour should not be considered when designing the game . Fluff is fluff.
just ignore that at this stage

hey_monkey - Today at 4:50 PM
it's hard to ignore it because I want it to make sense! :stuck_out_tongue:
(this is why I'm a pain in your ass)
okay, so here's what I'm seeing - tell me if I'm wrong
town has on shot roleblock, one shot revive, and for now, an unlimited doctor on top of the traveling BP, which has up to three uses
so potentially, without a strong kill, on any one night, if the stars align, up to two people could be protected, plus a commuter. and there's the attractor power, too
so i think it needs to break bp
and be two shot

cabot - Today at 4:52 PM
yeah i'd agree there
pretty sure palmer had a revive in woof 2
so he can sort the mechanics there

hey_monkey - Today at 4:53 PM
there was one in arkham that never got used so I didn't get to see it go off
that's one I'm not married to. it seems like it might be OP

cabot - Today at 4:53 PM
iirc it worked that the player would have a short period of time before day start to see who was dying
and choose to revive or not

hey_monkey - Today at 4:54 PM
but I can also see a lot of things going wrong for town so I thought it might help
ohhhh. hmm.
it's maybe a bit complicated for my first game, eh? that one?
i could leave her with two one-shots and then the possible vig in that unlikely scenario (it won't activate on a lynch)

cabot - Today at 4:55 PM
hmm
up to you

hey_monkey - Today at 4:56 PM
BUT YOU ARE THE BOSS OF ME
I dunno. should we see what Palmer says?

cabot - Today at 4:56 PM
yeah

hey_monkey - Today at 4:56 PM
okay. i will add to notes

cabot - Today at 4:56 PM
we shall wait for dat palmer

hey_monkey - Today at 4:58 PM
what about the weird shit i made up for tara?
basically confirms someone as town for her but once the main four are dead it's useless

hey_monkey - Today at 5:00 PM
well, three
shit, i guess i'd have to figure out who that would hit.
it could be confusing. i am now confusing myself.
well, i'll work that out if it's something you think i should keep or nah

cabot - Today at 5:08 PM
ill give tara a look lata
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
palmer

Jun 18 2017 at 4:26pm
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Sorry, i didn't realize it was posted here. Kept expecting a discord message. I'll go through it and post my initial thoughts then catch up.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 4:32pm
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Oh, I'm sorry. I don't get on discord very often because it totally distracts me from work. don't hurt me, corgi boss; it's my first game.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
palmer

Jun 18 2017 at 5:06pm
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Immediate problems: is this meant to be role madness, cause it's damn close. Why are there sexes? Where are the safe claims? I'm not a Buffy superfan, but it seems like you haven't left any of the main castfor safe claims.
Town could win if they name claimed. 23 is also a big game.
Buffy is 1x Bp? But if it's triggered, a different female townie gets 1 shot BP? Does Buffy know all of that? Does the second girl know? What's the message?
Willow - Eh, JOAT is fine. Revive is sketchy. Complicates the game based on how/when it's used.
Xander - 1x Lightning Rod. This is going to waste a lot of people's shots. It will almost always get used right away, under the assumption a doctor exists and will be forced to protect them. Only scum counter is strongman. Just not a fan of it.
Giles - 2x Tracker. ok.
Angel - Neighbor/gossip. Do he and Spike know each other's alignment?
Spike - Same
Oz - Motion Detector. ok.
Riley - Doctor. Targeting restrictions?
Buffybot - Odd commuter. Ok.
tara - The fuck is a scooby in game terms?
Dawn - No sex townie who is target of neutrals. Ok, I guess? Does she have any idea that she's hunted?
4 other named townies - meh. I prefer ordinary townies to not have unique names. These are also names that could maybe be safe claims
Drusilla - Seer? Like a role cop?
harmony - Hated. Why do they lose this in mylo/lylo?
Warren - Goon. Ok
Caleb - 2x Strongman. Does this work on commuter? Can target be revived?
Mayor - 1x Ascetic. Ok.
Glory & Minion - Do they lose if scum kill Dawn? I feel like they'd win N1 unless they're idiots, especially with a shared chat. D1, minion claims to be dawn, with some convoluted excuse. Dawn(an ordinary) counter claims. Town lynches one or the other, then Glory kills her N1. I guess the revive could fuck her, which isn't super fun, or the lightning rod, which also isn't super fun. basically, this seems either way too easy, or entirely out of their control. They'll also just claim cop if needed, and a red check on dawn. Not a fan.
I don't see anything truly broken about it.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 5:27pm via mobile
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These are awesome notes! I will answer the rest when I am at a computer but genders are in there for the alternate neutral idea I had which would work kinda like the waifu collector in anime - demon recruiting women (to be vengeance demons). Left it in case Glory/minion doesn't work so I wouldn't have to start that over. Not sure which would be better.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
palmer

Jun 18 2017 at 5:27pm
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the game is also effectively 15vs7, which is a sketchy ratio.
Worst case(revive never triggers):
D1 - 15v7 - Townie dies
N1 - Neutrals Kill a tara, scum kill a townie
D2 - 12v7 - Townie dies
N2 - neutrals kill townie, scum kill townie, Willow kills townie
D3 - 8v7 - Sort of LYLO. Dawn dies, Neutrals exit game.
N3 - scum kill townie
D4 - 7v5. MYLO.
Town could lose on D4. They could also win as fast as D3. MYLO on D4 is too fast though.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 7:29pm
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Okay, starting with the last thing - yeah, that's what I saw too when I went through it with cabot on discord - I could even see it being worse if someone takes out the neighbors. I figure optimal range for a game this size is ending between D5-D7, so I need to adjust. Swapping out the two neutrals for one neutral could do that; it's not an SK and would have to recruit several to take one, so the win con is extended. Then it becomes 15 v 6 - only problem here is that there's really no recruiting scum - there are no human female enemies, really, except maybe Maggie in s4 and that's kinda questionable. I could remove neutrals entirely. That's a possibility. But I did like the way the waifu collector recruited several but only took one in anime; D'Hoffryn would work similarly - have a pool of possible women and get one.
Gonna answer the rest point by point:
Immediate problems: is this meant to be role madness, cause it's damn close. Why are there sexes? Where are the safe claims? I'm not a Buffy superfan, but it seems like you haven't left any of the main castfor safe claims.
Town could win if they name claimed. 23 is also a big game.
I figured if I really wanted to be true to the spirit of Buffy, it would at least need to be role heavy. I know, I know, fluff is fluff, blah blah blah, but I need some shit to happen in a Buffy game for my own peace of mind. I could cut it down to 20 pretty easily if we remove the neutrals as above and I cut one other person (I would probably cut Dawn and remove that whole "storyline").
Buffy is 1x Bp? But if it's triggered, a different female townie gets 1 shot BP? Does Buffy know all of that? Does the second girl know? What's the message?
cabot and I didn't really discuss that part but yes, she would get a message. Based on the idea that when a slayer dies, another is activated and in this game, slayer translates to BP and the player would then get a message that the BP had traveled to them - that they were activated. But cabot suggested it be limited and I think that's wise. Could also help with the possible town loss by D4, yeah? Only two shots for a strongman but it will go through all the mechanics in the game.
Willow - Eh, JOAT is fine. Revive is sketchy. Complicates the game based on how/when it's used.
Yeah, we put notes in there to talk to you. I'm okay with losing that one; I can give her something else or just give her two one-shot powers. It makes sense for Willow but it IS a complicating factor especially if the Neutrals/Dawn thing is in the game.
Xander - 1x Lightning Rod. This is going to waste a lot of people's shots. It will almost always get used right away, under the assumption a doctor exists and will be forced to protect them. Only scum counter is strongman. Just not a fan of it.
I honestly didn't think about that with the doctor. I don't like that. I will change it. I was just reading through old games and thought, wow! That's perfect for Xander (because it would be)
Angel - Neighbor/gossip. Do he and Spike know each other's alignment?
Spike - Same
They do not - and I think that's actually perfect because both have good and evil moments in show so there's no real reason for them to trust each other even if they claim in their chat.
Riley - Doctor. Targeting restrictions?
I assume standard is cannot target same person two nights in a row? I didn't know if I should add it or not.
tara - The fuck is a scooby in game terms?
Well, I hadn't decided who would qualify as a Scooby because technically that's half the town. I think it might be dumb. I was just trying to come up with stuff. I think I'll just remove it.
Dawn - No sex townie who is target of neutrals. Ok, I guess? Does she have any idea that she's hunted?
4 other named townies - meh. I prefer ordinary townies to not have unique names. These are also names that could maybe be safe claims
For this, I do prefer them to be named and there are safe claims - they were at the bottom. Buffy's mom, Giles's girlfriend, some 1-season characters, which fits because we also have people like Larry in town. If I remove Dawn, she could also become a safe fake claim.
Drusilla - Seer? Like a role cop?
Yes, I'm sorry, a role cop but usable only on even nights.
harmony - Hated. Why do they lose this in mylo/lylo?
cabot suggested that it might be too powerful at the end.
Caleb - 2x Strongman. Does this work on commuter? Can target be revived?
Not on commuter. I'll take advice on revived if we keep it.
Glory & Minion - Do they lose if scum kill Dawn? I feel like they'd win N1 unless they're idiots, especially with a shared chat. D1, minion claims to be dawn, with some convoluted excuse. Dawn(an ordinary) counter claims. Town lynches one or the other, then Glory kills her N1. I guess the revive could fuck her, which isn't super fun, or the lightning rod, which also isn't super fun. basically, this seems either way too easy, or entirely out of their control. They'll also just claim cop if needed, and a red check on dawn. Not a fan.
Yes, I'd say if they stay in, they lose if scum kill Dawn (or I could give them survivor conditions, I guess). But I didn't think of the n1 thing. What do you think of the other neutral idea?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 18 2017 at 8:55pm
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cabot
don't kill us
we redid it as seasons 1-3 buffy so it's much simpler
original stuff moved to sheet 4, but we have sheet 1 with new set
it took TWO people telling me to make it simpler for me to make it simpler. I'm hardheaded but eventually I listen.
 

Atheon

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cabot

Jun 19 2017 at 2:52pm
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seems a lot more normal.
That neutral though, seems reasonably hard.
 

Atheon

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heymonkey

Jun 19 2017 at 3:08pm
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Smaller, too. You like the neutral or nah? Palmer had the idea and I had the perfect character for it so it seemed to work.
 

Atheon

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palmer

Jun 19 2017 at 5:00pm
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I agree that it's probably a hard wincon, but is it at least fun?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 19 2017 at 5:56pm via mobile
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I think it would be fun unless you got unlucky n1 or 2.
 

Atheon

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cabot

Jun 20 2017 at 5:03am
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I mean I don't see it being bad to play, just tough to win.
Who doesn't love a challenge
 

Atheon

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heymonkey

Jun 20 2017 at 12:50pm
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OH SHIT WHAT UP
I'MA WRITE SOME ROLE CARDS
AND THINGS
AND STUFF
I'M SO EXCITED
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 20 2017 at 11:43pm
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I figured I'd post them in a dev thread once they're finalized - easier to work with in a google doc though.
docs.google.com/document/d/1DVUbFqUwvaI8GoV6zPRilNPF47Wv3anlRh29jh8oR2A/edit?usp=sharing
14.5pt'>
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 20 2017 at 11:58pm
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OH! I assume Willy CANNOT be blocked since he has to hide?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 22 2017 at 10:46am
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cabot resolved this with me. He can be blocked but he won't be notified and nothing happens. HE just has to submit a hide command.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Jun 22 2017 at 11:16am
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GUYS WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE BIG PEOPLE
YOU GUYS
THANK YOU FOR HAND-HOLDING MY STUBBORN ASS THROUGH THIS PROCESS
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE ACADEMY, SCOTSMEN, AND ENHANCED CORGI DOGS
<3
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 11 2017 at 8:47am
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HELLO, CABOT, SHOULD I BE WRITING FLAVOR AND STUFF NOW
I'M USING ALL CAPS
DON'T YOU LIKE IT?
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Sep 13 2017 at 11:41pm
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It would probably be useful, you've still got around a month till your game is at sign up but hey i don't see you as the person sitting on your hands.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 14 2017 at 6:11pm
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Yeah, I'm too antsy. Cool, that gives me a new way to procrastinate other work!
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 25 2017 at 11:48am
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Wrote opening flavor and prepped all the starting stuff. Will write day start and day end flavor that we can pull from.
docs.google.com/document/d/1kbJ9PtU-to1VLLuqgz13C7X-l7ca1RsC2mPaum3x2og/edit?usp=sharing
I adjusted the role PMs slightly as well. They're here. docs.google.com/document/d/1DVUbFqUwvaI8GoV6zPRilNPF47Wv3anlRh29jh8oR2A/edit?usp=sharing
 

Atheon

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cabot

Sep 27 2017 at 12:49am
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OK I'm gonna make a bunch of tweaks by the looks of it, because I firmly believe Role PMs should be as easy to understand as possible, and there's a bit of fluff in between the role mechanics.
I'll be spacing the role mechanics sections of PMs away from fluff, along with highlighting the most important parts, and bolding the fairly important parts.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 27 2017 at 4:00am
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Oh, I was gonna add bolding and stuff, I'm sorry! I just didn't feel like fooling with the markup yet. You didn't have to work that hard. <3
 

Atheon

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cabot

Sep 27 2017 at 4:30am
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remember to change the spreadsheet regarding motion detector / watcher
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 28 2017 at 9:00pm
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Potential thread titles:
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| I may be dead, but I'm still pretty
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| It must be really hard when all your friends have like, superpowers
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| The Earth is doomed
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| The thing monsters have nightmares about
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| There are no dead students here. This week.
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| You were destined to die! It was written!
Buffy [Mafia] |OT Whenever we fight you always bring up the vampire thing
I got more if you don't like any of these.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
cabot

Sep 29 2017 at 12:58am
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I mean I don't know Buffy too well, so these are all going over my head.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 29 2017 at 4:35am
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It just has to be snappy, though, right? I want something that looks semi funny even to a nonfan. Maybe I should rehit the drawing board.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Sep 29 2017 at 4:35pm
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Mr. Monkey solved it:
Buffy [Mafia] |OT| Raise the stakes
...because they stake vampires, you know
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
yn

Sep 30 2017 at 5:10pm
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ok i left messages at the discord group chat you created, kikimon
palmer even woke up for a bit to also say a thing or two
lol
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Oct 16 2017 at 12:08am
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More titles:
We're talkin' violence, strong language, adult content.
How about the end of the world?
Mom, I'm a vampire slayer
With any luck, they'll kill each other
I love the smell of desperate librarian in the morning
I could do this all day. But I need an outsider to tell me the funniest.
 

Atheon

Time's Conflux
heymonkey

Oct 31 2017 at 9:51pm
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okay, i'm gonna try to rewrite the role PMs this week so they fit resetera code
I think we should go with Buffy Mafia |OT| We're talkin' violence, strong language, adult content
 

heymonkey

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Staff member
Since I don't think sheet and all transferred over: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mta4ckcplD9CSvqB6dptl1knmyMQcMvTLWWWLU2X5pU/edit?usp=sharing

but all games should be in the spreadsheets somewhere
 
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