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Discussion in 'One Night Ultimate White House' started by RetroMG, Dec 8, 2017.
Tell me about it. :P
What motivation could either Town Fran or Wolf Fran have to fake(?)claim claim Tanner after he found out he got switched?
i like how you immediately believe Flush over me. Why? He hasn't done anything except take an early shot at me, go silent, and then come in and counterclaim me waaaay later.
how are you trusting that over me
i know right? that darn sawneeks taking so long to reply. the worst.
for the record i did actually Monkey and Fran. I was just bored and wanted to see what Sophia was.
at least it was kinda fun, right? right?
i did actually switch monkey and fran*
have you seen your record
aw come on, at least look at this objectively. record aside what makes you believe Flush in this over me? he's 110% lying right now.
my guess would be Minion, not Wolf unless this was some desperate gambit.
Tanner is a potential cover for Wolf Fran, or would have been had there not been a red check on his wolfmate. :P
Sorry, Soph. You, DC, and it looks like now Monkey are getting the short end of the stick here. :<
I aint even mad. :P
Just let down by your not-so-terrible gambits.
Objectively, my love, my heart, this is your MO: control the narrative by looking helpful and interesting. What reason would Flush have to pull a desperate gambit now? It doesn't seem desperate. Unless he says he swapped DCPat - in which case I'd get very suspicious about him withholding - it doesn't even really matter, does it?
It wasn't terrible!! It got you to claim Tanner after all. :p
I mean it doesn't since DC is still right there but it kinda hurts that you'd immediately take his side on this. Like yeah yeah I get it, Scumneeks blah blah never trust her but come on. Flush hasn't even done anything!!!
It's less SCUMNEEKS and more HOW SCUMNEEKS BEHAVES. It didn't even click until Flush countered. And maybe he's lying. But odds are so are you.
I will say the "bit of fun" remarks are the only thing out of character for Wolfneeks but in a slow game, Scumneeks would certainly want to redirect and sow chaos.
how am I even redirecting and sowing chaos? I never touched DCPat and if I was a Wolf I would have fake claimed moving him to help save him. The most I did here was redirect once to see what Sophia was because this game is dead and I was curious.
at least we'll still win with DC's lynch even if you're wrong and don't believe me.
How long will this drag on. Is there anything I can say to stop my lynch? I will do it.
Tbh I think there is nothing more I can do.
So scum has given up and we are lynching DCPat or Soph.
Why in the world would you lynch me in the face of an uncontested red check on DCPat? :p
I'd lynch you or Fran. I kinda feel bad for DC.
There are question marks around Fran and Sophia, particularly whichever you currently claim to have switched, Neeks. So why on earth would you lynch the one who is now surely the Robber?
because in my distracted state i remembered Fran and Sophia both claiming Tanner and wanted to make a joke that we should lynch the Tanner and not Wolf-checked DC.
I'm a bit lost. What am I now?
Royal never gave his targets, right?
Not good. Why the need to still keep the mistery?
He hasn't been here. Which isn't great but may also not be meaningful.
Would really like some other people to weigh in on the game.
Sawneeks, I still don't know what your plan for saving DCPAT is, but you can stop lying. You are no wolf anymore. My targets were announced in my very first post. One of them is you (by mention). For the other, I'm a bit surprised nobody wondered about that unnatural word order of the sentences. It's almost as if somebody wanted specific letters at the beginning of sentences...
I'm so sorry Monkey, I wanted to make this more exciting for you, not put you in the losing team :(
(Unless I'm way ahead of myself and DCPAT or Sawneeks aren't Wolf, but that would mean you and Muffin both are wolves AND Robber and Seer are in the middle. Occam's razor says no to this, however...)
I'm breaking up with you if you made me a wolf, Flush.
Who would expect a breadcrumb there, honestly? Though now that you mentioned it, it's a bit too sarcastic for you.
If I had to guess at this point: DCPat and Fran are the wolves, and either Royal or Sawneeks is the minion? Either way, nobody's counterclaimed Drunk, so it's probably in the middle. I'm guessing Villager is also in the middle seeing as nobody else has claimed that.
If Royal is telling the truth, and he swapped Sawneeks and Monkey, then that means Monkey is now the minion, and Sanweeks the robber.
DCPat and Fran are the wolves.
I'm the Tanner.
LP and Deva are Masons
Muffin is the Seer
Royal is the Troublemaker
Sparks is the Insomiac.
Middle cards are: Hunter, Drunk, and Villager
If Sawneeks is telling the truth, and she swapped Fran and Monkey, then that means Monkey is most likely a Wolf, and Fran is a robber.
DCPat is the other wolf, and Royal is the Minion
I'm the Tanner
LP and Deva are Masons
Muffin is the Seer
Sawneeks is the Troublemaker
Sparks is the Insomiac
Middle cards are: Hunter, Drunk, and Villager
Did I get that right? Either way, nobody has counterclaimed Monkey's original seer claim and Muffin's robber claim AFAIK, which means DCPat is almost certainly a wolf.
Why are you, as a Tanner, even trying to help us out here? What's your gain there?
For the record: DCPAT is still the correct choice to vote for, I think. That's why I didn't see the urgency in claiming. Nothing really changed.
I love how I'm an easy target in each scenario, but I don't blame any of you and there is nothing more I can say to change it, unfortunately. I do want to point out I still believe in my theory that Monkey was original Minion (her play as minion was without risk, seer counterclaim wouldn't have mattered because she doesn't care if she dies), no counterclaim means seer is probably in the middle. Muffin is still originally robber and did great by copying Monkey play. What's in it for him to deny it? Nothing. He probably doesn't know the wolves (I don't know how the mechanics of a stolen minion card work).
The problem with the above theory is Monkey atm. She's switched around so many times with so many roles that I honestly wouldn't know what she is and whether or not she should try to keep the narrative against or let it go. But it's my only theory including me not being a wolf.
Monkey and Muffin both wolves with 2 fake roleclaims uncontested early game - 0% chance
Monkey and Muffin one wolf, one minion, same problem as above - 0% chance
So please just think about it. Can't ask more. It's a stretch, but it's my only one.
Also don't forget that I've been done for since minute 1 of this game and NOBODY came to save me, no other wolf, no minion.
You said it yourself:
Because of Monkey and Muffin, I'm basically in a kingmaker position of sorts. I largely can't win, but I can still influence who else wins. :P
Monkey ruins everything. Again.
Muffin would see the card he stole, but not the minion results, I presume.
Are you suggesting that Muffin robbed wolf Monkey, claimed Seer, and lucked out because it's in the middle with Hunter and Drunk? (Which would make you villager?)
Or rather, Muffin robbed Minion Monkey and claimed Seer. Although that would be interesting luck to have no counter-claim...
Yea, that's what I claim. But it's not really lucky tho. Does it really matter for the minion claiming seer to be counterclaimed by the real seer? Sure, I'm not a sure red-check anymore, but still no attention on a wolf. It's a good play for a minion. But since she, later Muffin, wasn't counterclaimed, seer is in the middle.
And Muffin getting the Minion card, but not knowing who the wolves are has no other choice than to copy Monkeys game.
You do have a point that nobody has came to your aid, and we have a lot of dead air right now. Drunk and Hunter are definitely in the middle tho I think?
I believe Fran is a wolf tho. Look at his claims:
And then Sawneeks did her "fake out", afterwords:
I'm thinking he thought Tanner was in the middle, and didn't expect me to counterclaim him...?
I have been saying that for a while. Everyone should vote for me.
Obviously. That's why you didn't counterclaimed my claim until Sawneeks said that she changed you with Monkey. Who would want to draw attention to themselves being a Tanner. Classic Tanner move. I think you are a minion.
If Royal is telling the truth that would mean that Sawneeks is likely wolf. Or was. And now Monkey is wolf. If she is saying the truth about DCPAT she ended up going against her win condition. Really weird that a seer would claim someone being a wolf until being sure they wasn't changed. Novice mistake or a gambit?
Why would I claim Tanner the first time if I was a wolf? Why would I claim wolf if I wasn't changed? I could have chosen any role. Hunter was free.
Tanner is easy cover for a wolf. Although why did you pick wolf for your second claim?
If I was a minion, wouldn't I have been better off just staying with my drunk claim and acting shady? :thinking:
Except I wasn't a Tanner when I claimed. Sawneeks said that I was switched and noone counterclaimed. So I was whatever Monkey was. I could have claimed wolf and get Monkey lynched as I was a townie at the time. And I claimed wolf because Sawneeks said I wasn't switched at the time so I was still Tanner and needed to get lynched. Too late as everyone knew who I was already. So I took my chances and see if anyone is confused and votes for me.
How could you act shady if noone was counterclaiming you? I still don't know your game but I know you are not Tanner.
And you missed this:
That is your biggest plothole in your claim and you keep avoiding it.
Nah, Sawneeks got me hook, line, and sinker there. I legit believed she had swapped me and Monkey around, and that Monkey was Tanner then. I also thought I had caught a wolf cuz you claimed Tanner. :P
I'm saying before Sawneeks said that she exchanged you and Monkey. When I claimed.
At that time noone said anything about exchanging you so you still had your original role. If it was Tanner why not counterclaim as soon as I said Tanner. As a Tanner you need to draw attention to yourself but you let my claim alone until you thought you were no more a Tanner.
Was waiting to see if the drunk counter-claimed me. But the drunk appears to be in the middle.
But you didn't needed someone to counterclaim you. You could have counterclaimed someone else to draw attention to yourself.
If I'm not wrong Monkey is in no way town right now. If Sawneeks is telling the truth she is a wolf and if Flush is telling the truth she is likely either wolf or Minion. That's why she claiming her seer results so early is weird. I don't expect her to play like this.
Come on @Sawneeks, we need your reaction in here.
Also, what about those about 5 people who have been a complete non-entity so far?
Who are the 5?
I count LP, Deva, Sparks, and lately Muffin but he was active at the start of the game. Who I'm I missing?
That's it. I was (still am) on mobile and couldn't be bothered to search for the player list so I made a rough estimate. Hence the "about". I was closer than expected.
I'll repeat, that scenario doesn't make any sense:
I registered your claim, but it doesn't change that much tbh for me.
Who are you all gonna vote for?
You are trying to consolidate votes again. Scum!!!!!
I wanna know where y'all stand. With the red check I'd presume that most would vote DCPat, so I'm interested who thinks otherwise and why.
I think DCPAT is a good bet but I'm still not sure to trust Monkey on that. Right now Monkey isn't town. Either she has my role or has lying Sawneeks role but she isn't town. And that makes me think: Why would Monkey claim another player is scum so early. She didn't knew what her role was when she made the claim and I find it weird that she didn't realized that someone could have messed with her role. I'm thinking that maybe she found a wolf but gave a different name until she knew which side she was at the end.
Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
Or maybe I'm just trying to throw shade elsewhere so people would vote me as their safest choice.
Maybe because now everybody believes you two because you confirmed Monkey. So now I'm a confirmed red check
Maybe because now everybody believes you two because you confirmed Monkey. So now I'm a confirmed red check instead of just a claimed red-check. Plus you know Monkey has been swapped around. She isn't robber.
Upper part should be left out, replied on the wrong comment from you.
I like how we have claim against claim but are sure that Sawneeks is lying lmao
I get what you say with the rest, it IS weird. She also might have thought the chances of her being messed with low and gambled to get the redcheck out early, but I'm not sure.
So as new minion I would bet on the chance that Monkey might have been switched to be wolf now? We have two contesting troublemaker claims, and even more switch target claims by now. For all we know Monkey could not have been targeted in reality, or neither of the two is telling the truth and troublemaker is in the middle. Doesn't sound like the greatest strategy to me.
I'm not sure that Sawneeks is lying.
What I meant is:
Sawneeks is the troublemaker: Monkey changed the role with me and now is a wolf.
Flush is the troublemaker: Sawneeks is lying and she should be either a minion or a wolf. Now Monkey is either of those roles.
In both situations Monkey isn't town at the end of the day. And I find it weird that Monkey didn't thought of that. She claimed really early (post 25) and at the time Sawneeks had already hinted that she was the troublemaker and who had she swapped (Sophia, Monkey, I).
Okay, than what would you do if you rob minion? You have no clue who the wolves are, but you have to do something. Just guess?
Try to get myself lynched I guess? Or look how the former minion plays to guess the wolves?
The problem with the Minion / Robber combination is that if Monkey believes Muffin's claim she knows that she isn't Wolf aligned anymore and therefore would have to backtrack or get Town DCPAT lynched. I have enough trust in her intellect that I believe she would realize that.
Okay, I'm gonna put a nail in this one. People who needed to know knew already but we don't need to waste time speculating on Monkey's motivations. I had just started taking new anxiety medication and it impacted my vision and my thought processes. I probably should have dropped from the game but having never played ONUW, I wanted to give it a shot. A lot of things that should have occurred to me did not. Speculation about my behavior makes me uncomfortable right now for that reason. I didn't expect to be everyone's favorite target but lesson learned. I shouldn't have claimed so early but I had a red check. The end.
What does Muffin claim have to do with what Monkey is now? Both troublemakers claim that they targeted Monkey and they act after the Robber. If we believe Muffin claim all we know is that Monkey was for a moment a robber and that either Sawneeks or I are the Robber now depending of who isn't lying.
I really meant no offence with that. You know what is the nature of the game, looking for suspicious behavior. I just pointed out something that seemed odd to me.
If you felt offended by that claim I'm sorry. I never intended to make you uncomfortable.
No, it's okay. I'm not offended at all. Just wanted to make sure no one was wasting time with that onnthe last day and would kinda rather not sit through it. It's fine, Fran. Like I said, I probably should have dropped out. Oh well.
I mean, you WERE right at least. :)
How the hell did that formatting happen? Mobile OM behaves weird sometimes...
I don't believe that Monkey was a Minion. I think she was actually the seer (Noone counterclaimed that so that's likely). I'm talking about what she is now. There is no way that she is town now.
Maybe I'm NOT a wolf. Here's hoping.
(can we talk about the irony of me tagging a wolf only to become a wolf?)
Do you still claim being a Wolf? If so, who was your partner?
My reaction to what?
seriously, do i have no good will left with any of you? ffs
Then what are Monkey and Muffin doing?
Ok. So... Uhhmmm...
1. Why do we have two troublemaker claims?
2. Why did Monkey redcheck DCPAT?
3. Why did Muffin confirm Monkey?
If there is a maximum of one wolf aligned role among them?
It's inconsequential since I know you're lying. What does it matter who you switched? You didn't actually 'switch' them.
See, that's a start. I can't recall you doubled down on your claim yet after I counterclaimed. It was a possibility that you go "uhm, yeah, Flush is right, it was a gambit". Or "uhm, yeah, Flush was right, I was wolf, but now I'm a Robber, I guess"
Seeing that this is not the case: Who do you propose we lynch? Still DCPAT?
Lying. I mean, they are Monkey and Muffin. When did we started trusting them?
1. Because one of you is lying.
2. Two options: She actually rechecked him and gave the info without realizing that she could have become a wolf during the night. Or she gave us fake info to see some reactions and now won't give us the correct info because she knows that she isn't town anymore. No matter who is lying in point 1.
3. Because she started the game as the seer. I don't think Muffin is lying.
Between Monkey, Sawneeks, Muffin and you? Likely one wolf/minion. Maybe 2 but that's more unlikely. Sophia is likely to be wolf aligned also.
Does me saying 'you're lyinh/he's lying' not count as doubling down? I implied that you were not telling the truth about your role. :x
DCPat, that hasn't changed even with all of this.
I meant before your post a couple of minutes ago, @Sawneeks
She can't redcheck DCPAT if Sparks was your Wolf partner.
I think this may be against my win condition but I don't give a damn as I don't think I will win anyway.
You know that I made 2 claims right? I claimed something before wolf, when I trusted Sawneeks and thought that she exchanged me with Monkey. Look it up, I will wait.
I'm aware you claimed Tanner and that's why I wanted to find contradictions in your Wolf claim. Why on earth you would remind me of this is beyond me rn, though...
why me and monkey, royal?
Because you are asking coherence from a Tanner. How the hell would I would know who the wolves are? Even worse, If I'm still the Tanner I don't even care who they are. I just want all of you to vote for me.
You want to find contradictions in my Wolf claim? Alright. How many do you need to get you to vote me?
Monkey, because I geniounly like her and wanted to mess with her a bit to make that game a bit more memorable. You, because you being Scum had become a Meme I wanted to ride on :P I was thinking about going for Monkey and one of the names I didn't recognize in the hope that they might break more easily but then decided against it to not overwhelm them in the beginning (I have no clue which of them played which games)
The point kind of was that I would only consider voting for you if you could come up with a contradiction-free story. For me you are Tanner now and everything else is deep WIFOM territory I'm not going to enter. I'd rather concentrate on nailing down the other Wolf in that case.
Sometimes life imitates memes.
You were never the Tanner to begin with.
Your partner being?
He's a wolf and you're buying his tanner claim hook, line, and sinker. He has no reason to give you a contradiction free story.
Maybe. As I said, deep WIFOM territory. It makes exactly as much sense as you trying to solve the game as a supposed Tanner. I'm starting to think the real tanner is in the middle and you're all fucking with us (<- hyperbole, that's highly unlikely). I'm much more interested in figuring out the Monkey/DCPAT situation because then I don't have to worry about this WIFOM crap.
yeah no, you came in a tore down my fun parade so you're not getting that.
everyone believed me too! I thought I was gonna get away with being a Troublemaker and have free reign. :p
I don't think I can win now, as I've said.
As for Monkey/DCPat, the one thing that bothers me is the lack of defense towards DCPat early on. Nobody came to his aid until relatively late in the game phase. I think you'd best be looking there.
there's also the fact that you could still be lying since I claimed before you even posted your 'breadcrumb', but the answers are there if you look hard enough.
i will say i had a good amount of plans and they kinda worked until they all crumbled and fell apart and i'm real sad about that.
you're the wooooorst
I mean I love you but you're the wooooorst.
am i really the worst if you all keep falling for it