just goonSparks, are you a Goon or do you have a role?
just goon
I forgot if SK is neutral or not
So. Many. Curse. Words.Also Monkey, over/under 50 curse words when you saw your PM?
just don't claim! no need to claim. just sit back. Relax. Take in the show.Ill just flood the lane with bullshit and hope I don't claim townie on day one
Yep. My fears here are: one of you two getting got by an SK or one of us getting copped. We are alllllll good cop targets. If Fanto is cop she is checking me already.Player list:
HP
EC
feps
Hawthorn
Stan
Fanto
VA
Nin- Vanilla
Eddy
malus
I think we should target whoever is most likely to do a cop check on Monkey because any experienced player is going to cop check Monkey tonight or tomorrow night. We can kill one and I can block one so that gives us two chances to stop that from happening.
Yeah, HP and malus look horrible today so day wise, we are good.Yeah it's going to be harder to get a push on VA going forward too. I think HP is going to be the easiest push, he did not have a good day.
I'm in a lovely little square in one of your, oh, I don't know, hot countries, there's a light breeze coming from the East, this coffee is a buzz monster in my brain and I'm gonna need eight snipers!
EC I can see as a PR; it would not impact him particularly in any way and I agree that was an odd quote. If he's SK he's a total wildcard.
Which reminds me, breadcrumb meta is SO STRONG. we should look for any clues.
I agree with you about VA. I think he's probably vanilla and now I just have to pocket him very hard and Vincent, friend, buddy, partner, pal... I'm sorry. You're first mafia chair in my heart. Now get in this pocket.
HP felt very odd all phase. I would not be surprised if he is a PR. feps was very cautious and frustrated at the slightest scum read; he could be a PR. That early worry about not being there at day end, too. I know he's had a lot of problems there in the past, worse than Stan, maybe, but it felt like he was perpetually more worried than he needed to be.
Fanto... idk. I think she just has to die. Sorry, Fanto. <3 You're just too good.
malus is the one I'm not sure about. he had some very weird reads - almost exactly some of the same things I was saying, but avoided detail even when asked and kept me in the middle even though we were very mindmeldy. He could be a PR.
Yeah, I think malus and feps are my big guesses, though I'd say also maybe HP. But I want to reread Thorny especially for breadcrumbs. Also, Thorny learning to use gifs is the most adorable thing. <3
>Roleblock Fanto
>Nightkill EC
ez pz
Trying to read EC is hard as hell
Fanto is always nai on day one
everyone else is just ugh
Im probably being voted off day 2
Nah, Sparks, you're totally safe for now unless you get cop checked. I think you were fine, and HP is going to be prime target for everyone tomorrow. Tomorrow's wagons will be VA, HP, and malus I bet, unless someone gets a cop check. I don't think you need to do anything special at all. Just talk to people. Vibe. Ask questions, give opinions when you got them. Lay low. You're in a great position.Trying to read EC is hard as hell
Fanto is always nai on day one
everyone else is just ugh
Im probably being voted off day 2
Sorry if I messed up the game plan by bussing Hedin a bit here, my thought process was that being down a member scum we would be less likely to bus and trying to push Hedin while the top wagons are tied up town would look weird but honestly I might have messed up this time phase with limited playtime.One think that helps: we did not bus and were directly friendly to each other so if one of us gets copped, no easy connections happen. Community bus meta is SO strong that it gives us a layer of protection. Good job, team.
I didn't get a single thing on looking at day 1 fresh. Not even for the claimed PRsI did not pick up on any other crumbs but another set of eyes on that always helps. I generally only notice the crumbs in hindsight though.
Yeah one good thing is the feps vote gave us the whole roster. I think town are being entirely truthful to their detriment. If one of the docs is 1-shot, then the last role could be:Player list:
HP - 1-shot doc
EC
feps - doctor
Hawthorn/Sneeks - N1 Green check
Stan
Fanto- SK
VA/Leo- Vanilla
Nin- Vanilla
Eddy/Random - doctor
malus
Setup wise it depends if Eddy/Random and feps are both unlimited or if one of them is a 1-shot. If both are unlimited there are no more town PRs, if one is a 1-shot then there is a chance for another. Even if one of them is 1-shot there isn't enough room for a second cop, I'm almost positive that we are safe from a check unless HP lied about 1-shot (and I doubt he would have claimed if he was unlimited).
Sorry if I messed up the game plan by bussing Hedin a bit here, my thought process was that being down a member scum we would be less likely to bus and trying to push Hedin while the top wagons are tied up town would look weird but honestly I might have messed up this time phase with limited playtime.
Yeah I know it is probably fine at the end of the day, just wanna do the slot justice cause I think both you and Monkey were playing well before I joined, it was tough not having a day scum chat.Perfectly OK, might even work in our favor that you have slightly different opinions than Monkey.
HP - 1-shot docOur problem is this: there are getting to be too many claimed and cleared players. After our kill there will be 8 players left, two will be safe based on claims so we will be 2/4 out of potentials.
We have to take out the docs, you can kill one and I block the other.
Rando is scumreading me, a kill there could look convenient. But of the two, he looks more town. Feps claimed under vote pressure.I think we have to take out the docs but the question is which one? I can make an argument for either.
Kills Sneeks > Vote Feps > Kill Rando has some appeal.I think we kill Random, he was just really active and trying to push things along. I'm halfway tempted to 5D chess this and suggest killing Sneeks but that seems too risky.
From the rules, he wouldn'tInterestingly feps never mentioned being informed of being blocked last night.
It does say vig shots are refunded, not sure about 1-shot doctor shots.No notifications unless they are necessary:
- Players will not receive a notification if roleblocked.
- Doctors will not receive a notification if their heal works.
Hmm what is this potential check later in the game stuff from HP? Is it just saying if he saved his shot, he would check these players out later on?The pool of people that voted with me:
Monkey (Townie, potential night kill, potential check later in game)
Hedin (Townie, unlikely night kill, potential check later in game)
The pool of people that voted for Nin
Hawthorn (lower post count that typically, part of start of push on Nin, unlikely night kill, would check today)
Stan (fairly Townie, possible night kill?, would check later in game)
Sparks (n/a, possible night kill)
VA (self-pres, unlikely night kill, could solve to make day 2 simpler)
Fanto (late move/avoiding tie?, Townie, potential later game check)
Off wagon
Malus (fairly low engagement, would solve problem for later in game, would check today)
EC (fairly typical EC play, feels Townie, wouldn't check atm)
Eddy (seems typical newbie, feels okay, wouldn't check atm)
Feps (fairly under radar, seems okay?, would consider later in game
Hmm what is this potential check later in the game stuff from HP? Is it just saying if he saved his shot, he would check these players out later on?
Yep for night phases we can stick within the claimers and the green check. I think right now I would prefer Sneeks to feps tomorrow, but it'll depend largely on the day phase. If all claims are complete, your block only needs to go to feps after tonight.Look through things we would have two more night phases left if we both make it through. Probably need to kill feps next to be safe and then have to kill Sawneeks from the green check. Could play around with it a bit since I could still block him from healing but that might be the safest path. Definitely if one of us goes then feps should be the first target, the docs can't heal themselves so we know that will be a safe kill.
I think most focus will likely be on malus and EC today. I don't think we will need to bus at all yet but it's fine to give each other a little pressure if warranted, just gotta make sure it doesn't snowball and bring more people on board. We're not going to have the chat to discuss whether we need to flip to an actual bus so we're just going to have to go with our guts here.
Yep for night phases we can stick within the claimers and the green check. I think right now I would prefer Sneeks to feps tomorrow, but it'll depend largely on the day phase. If all claims are complete, your block only needs to go to feps after tonight.
Agreed on malus and EC wagons. Slight with a twist flashbacks there since we could get a win from malus -> EC or vice versa.
RE: bussing, the solo win is trickier but not by much.
n2 8 after our NK
d3 7 one of us goes
n3 6 another NK
d4 5 a misvote
n4 4 a night kill
d5 final 3, must convince 1 town to vote with the last one of us
Seems like we need 2 misvotes either way?
My only preference on a bus is if we do it, do it well. The number one thing that doesn't look like a bus to me is interactive questioning, since that is harder to fake. Look at Stan jumping on Spark's nin vote day 1 for example. I feel like if one of us slips, better to pounce and play out a conversation where the bus victim is trying to defend against the pressure conveys more town cred than hopping on a wagon with some steam behind it already.
That said, I would prefer not to bus successfully. I want to grill you because my PoE will be you, Hedin and malus. Most likely if we do get to final 6, I will have a PoE of X + Hedin, Y+ Hedin, X +Y and I either need to come down on you without bringing others along, or decided that X is scummier.
Some other general game thoughts
Fake claims:
I think we are out of room here. You have a little more options, because you didn't get to respond to feps last night. If we flip Rando, we confirm -1 Ts. Since people generally believe HP, that is -1T.
If those were the only PRs, all claims can be truthful in a 3T universe
If there was an extra 1-letter PR: if feps claims unlimited, all claims can't be true. Feps vs claimee 1:1 trade
If there was an extra 2-letter PR: if feps claims unlimited, we can be in the 1T universe which means godfather roleblocker.
Potential 2-letter claims:
DD - a third doctor, but a third doc would prob protect Rando, so another 1:1 trade with feps
VV - a vigilante. VA wasn't a bad shot n1, but there's no excuse for missing n2 with both docs likely on each other.
MM - Need 2 people, impossible
CC - a 2nd cop, would need a convincing check n1 and n2, both green. Opens the most possibilities, but could be a tough sell.
Safest remains to pretend to be VT as the claimees have the most town cred anyway and the VT pool has some good suspects but 2 cops in a maybe-godfather universe is kind of a funny way to wreak havoc.
Activity
If we kill Rando, Sneeks and feps are probably the top town voices. It could be helpful to have them be the most visible and leading the vote. Not so much that we look like we are hiding, but there is a weird backlash against people trying to play town leader. I think people are afraid of being tricked by someone they town read more than letting a scum read slip by.
Basically just feel it out and adjust, first two day phases weren't great for town from a discussion and vote standpoint so let's keep the onus on them to step up.
Limited communication
We could maybe use some codewords to help with our lack of day chat.
e.g If I say "this post / logic is giving me a migraine" and quote you, that will be an indication that I want you to bus me and I don't mind getting flipped (I do think between the two of us I am probably the better bus, but again let's default to avoiding it)
or if I use the word "weak" in a post with a vote on a towny, that towny is my preferred EoD vote.
Fake partners
Since we are both in the pool of suspicion, it will be hard for us to avoid each other completely. To mitigate this, I suggest we pick a fake partner - someone that we tenuously link back to if we are scum read. This will help avoiding connecting to each other through PoE (e.g we grill all the townys and avoid each other)
I think I will choose malus. I will still suspect him, but avoid talking directly too much and not add meaningful pressure. Meanwhile I interact and prod EC and you more.
I also wouldn't mind looking like a feps partner if he gets good pressure today.
Yeah I think what you are doing so far is working in terms of being town read and the claims give nice cover for why you won't get nightkilled.It might be easier for you as you're coming in fresher but I haven't really buddied up with anyone (maybe slightly Monkey) so it would be odd for me to do so now.
Yeah I think what you are doing so far is working in terms of being town read and the claims give nice cover for why you won't get nightkilled.
Only other things to cover:
- how would you feel about my slot if you were town and didn't know my alignment? I guess you were town reading monkey and we didn't overlap much in the game thread, so you have some freedom there.
- same question for how you would feel about the feps claim since you didn't have time to react to it
- Any narratives forming from the wagons?
It's not great that we are both on town Leo D1, but the other voters here are all over the place. I'll go with scum probably spread since stacking only shades stan and Sneeks. I'll probably dig on your VA vote and the trains of one.
Sounds good to me, Rando can have the joy of being town who nailed his reads in spec >:DI think getting Rando a full head of steam is going to be bad news for us.
Biggest pain on a feps case is the role math is in his favor. Will be interesting to see the split on logic/emotion there.
Logic says if he's lying there's an unclaimed PR lurking who can catch him out or he's a solo godfather trying to pass off as a doc until endgame - very unlikely
Emotion says he claimed to save himself and in doing so got himself blocked and Rando killed.
I do wish the setup was slightly more flexible there, but it is what it is with a sk/goon death n1
I'm going to take it easy at day start and see where people's heads are at. Will probably try to get answers from the people who I pinged yesterday.
You had one post where you said it was frustrating that people weren't answering your questions, I might ask for some examples there at some point and generally just keep some dialogue between us that seems unnecessary as Scum/Scum.
If HP has another cop shot and red checks us we just have to eat it. If it's a green, hopefully we can look outside of it.
If there's a one shot vig let's hope they shot town.
Some doubt on the claims is good because taking everything at face value could look like informed scum who know the claims add up on the setup already.