Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This

Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
I feel people should be aware there might be a vig shot outside ITA. And the person doesn't have to announce they have it, but there's a 50% chance of reveal so, yeah, only a matter of optics.

I actually hadn't thought of that. It's very possible that Faddy sent out one of his shots last night before being killed.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
I feel people should be aware there might be a vig shot outside ITA. And the person doesn't have to announce they have it, but there's a 50% chance of reveal so, yeah, only a matter of optics.

I can read.

I just choose not too.

@StanleyPalmtree, not to ignore your game:

I would shoot Saw
I would lynch Verelios
And protect yourself or Include.

But @Splinter wants a duel so I guess that's happening.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
I went to look at the list to see who else I might townread and there are so many people I can't remember at all. This feels like a 20-person game. Maybe I should take a break for a bit (SINCE I SHOULD BE WRITING) and stop filling up the thread.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
You're a mermaidman?

Also, how do ITA shots work anyway? What do we type in?

I think that's what Namor is.

And:

In-Thread Attack (ITA) Mechanics:

Starting on day 2, the game day opening post will include information on when ITAs will be open for that day phase. I'll provide an hour time frame to keep an eye out for but the actual ITA window will be open for 30 minutes at a time. Each day phase will have three ITA windows.

Each day phase with an ITA will give every single player in the game a single public vigilante shot. The shot can only be used during the windows mentioned above. You may participate in any ITA window but remember, you only have one shot for the entire day phase whether it hits or misses. You will make your shot by posting the highlighted name of who you want to attempt to kill. No special command is necessary so have fun with it and SLAP: cabot like I do (just don't use the VOTE command, that will still count as a valid vote during this time).

Shots will be resolved in order and I will attempt to post whether shots failed or succeeded as quickly as I can. Role flips may be slightly delayed but whether the person died or not will be mostly instant. There will be no flavor for these deaths for anyone who cares, the flavor will be written into day end posts. The base chance to hit with an ITA is 15%.

No, about my PSA

I don't care nearly as much as you care about me caring.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Your PSA sounds like you're trying to see and bait out the person who may have gotten the Vig shot.

Not saying you were or weren't but it could read like that
I mean, I don't really have to. The mechanics don't lend themselves to secrecy in the first place.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Oh Jesus this game has a lot going on

Plus points to splinter for not liking my softball questions, it is my favorite tool to do when busy though and we all know what a busy kawl means...

Anyone who tries to assert some type of control over ita usage or targets goes on my shit list by the way. Let chaos reign.
For the people who thought they were cute suggesting I had mentioned anything in ITAs prior
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Also i believe Namor is an Atlantean?

also is a giant asshole, its too bad you got him melon, i know the perfect comic page to post if voting/ hammering him.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
For the people who thought they were cute suggesting I had mentioned anything in ITAs prior
That had should be a hadn’t but what can ya do

And nah this game is pretty much anticonducive to my normal style of playing with regards to the amount of time I can dedicate. So y’all get this low effort version of me. Sooooorry
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I am a shark.

But for real, why the PSA on Thor and ignoring that Gamora and Cable's possible contributions last night. You fear the vig?
Why would I want to know about their contributions? The vig has a 50/50 chance to be revealed but the others don't.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Also since you bring this up, isn't that even more curious? Why didn't he continue and instead roll over and let himself get lynched. He's better than that unless he had a good reason for letting himself get lynched.

But I'll drop this for now (well I did mostly earlier) but keep the idea in my head as we move through the day and see what happens today.
I already said my best guess at what Grizzly was going for, but it’s all heresay so it doesn’t do us a ton of good. You’re right that it’s not impossible we had three scum pinned D1, but it’s highly unlikely lol

i would give bulletproof to me.
i would shoot somebody that is not me.

really tho shoot kawl. protect melon, or maybe you.

we should turn this into a thing, like a marry fuck kill thing.
Shoot/Vote/Protect


Communities resident madman, occasionally gives enlightening insight, always endlessly entertaining and confusing.
Shoot Zubz because he’s probably scum and is fine with coasting.

Vote Ynnek because he’s also probably scum but at least he’s shown up today more (conveniently now that he’s under scrutiny)

Protect..maybe Nomad? I feel like my top town reads aren’t likely to be shot at today. Nomad seems to be his normal off the wall self so he’s probably town. If the protect works into the night then Melon or Splinter, I could go either way.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Even if he was scared of the vig why would he call it out as scum?

Um, this is not a startling revelation. Anyone could deduct such a possibility from the flip(s). If he had shared insight from personal knowledge that might indicate alignment in some way. But this? No way.

He's just rehashing the flips and passing it off as Brand New Information.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Man don’t capitalize brand new I’m still upset that Jesse Lacey is a piece of shit person.

Yea anyone could deduce but why are you trying to flip it as if he’s only bringing the vig up because it’s the only possibility that worries him as if it’s some scum tell.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Um, this is not a startling revelation. Anyone could deduct such a possibility from the flip(s). If he had shared insight from personal knowledge that might indicate alignment in some way. But this? No way.

He's just rehashing the flips and passing it off as Brand New Information.
This might come off as a surprise, but some people do skim role flips.
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
I already said my best guess at what Grizzly was going for, but it’s all heresay so it doesn’t do us a ton of good. You’re right that it’s not impossible we had three scum pinned D1, but it’s highly unlikely lol


Shoot Zubz because he’s probably scum and is fine with coasting.

Vote Ynnek because he’s also probably scum but at least he’s shown up today more (conveniently now that he’s under scrutiny)

Protect..maybe Nomad? I feel like my top town reads aren’t likely to be shot at today. Nomad seems to be his normal off the wall self so he’s probably town. If the protect works into the night then Melon or Splinter, I could go either way.
wait, does this mean you think Nomad would be likely to be shot today?
if so, why?
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
My heart says shoot Gorlak but the old me wants to get rid of those inactives. I’m probably about 50/50 on who I shoot
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Man don’t capitalize brand new I’m still upset that Jesse Lacey is a piece of shit person.

Yea anyone could deduce but why are you trying to flip it as if he’s only bringing the vig up because it’s the only possibility that worries him as if it’s some scum tell.

Okay. You asked me why he would call it out as scum. I Iiterally said the fact Verelios brought it to the forefront tells us nothing about his alignment. Because he told us basically nothing.

Unless you're a skimmer and in that case he did you a solid.

So I'm not sure where you getting me flipping any narrative here. I do find and still do highlighting the vig over the ITA boost and the possibility of Cable's items somewhat strange and in his own words unimportant to him.
 
Just so you all know, I'm not completely AFK

Most of the time I either don't really know what to say since I'm new and I'm not completely familiar with how it's played in a forum OR I simply read the posts I missed, to see if I can get any infos, I'm also a little busy these days, so,...yeah
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Okay. You asked me why he would call it out as scum. I Iiterally said the fact Verelios brought it to the forefront tells us nothing about his alignment. Because he told us basically nothing.

Unless you're a skimmer and in that case he did you a solid.

So I'm not sure where you getting me flipping any narrative here. I do find and still do highlighting the vig over the ITA boost and the possibility of Cable's items somewhat strange and in his own words unimportant to him.
Idk you say a lot. If it says nothing about his alignment why make the comment on it at all
 
Just so you all know, I'm not completely AFK

Most of the time I either don't really know what to say since I'm new and I'm not completely familiar with how it's played in a forum OR I simply read the posts I missed, to see if I can get any infos, I'm also a little busy these days, so,...yeah

I understand how you feel, I was like that when I was new. But we're on D2 now so you should hopefully have some idea of how to go about it now. Feel free to talk, ask people shit, bring up things we may have missed or discuss existing shit.

I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as being new is still fresh in my memory but you start to lose that newbie benefit the more time passes of course.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Okay. You asked me why he would call it out as scum. I Iiterally said the fact Verelios brought it to the forefront tells us nothing about his alignment. Because he told us basically nothing.

Unless you're a skimmer and in that case he did you a solid.

So I'm not sure where you getting me flipping any narrative here. I do find and still do highlighting the vig over the ITA boost and the possibility of Cable's items somewhat strange and in his own words unimportant to him.
Do you or don't you agree that the former has less need/chance for secrecy? You never specified that.
 
I understand how you feel, I was like that when I was new. But we're on D2 now so you should hopefully have some idea of how to go about it now. Feel free to talk, ask people shit, bring up things we may have missed or discuss existing shit.

I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as being new is still fresh in my memory but you start to lose that newbie benefit the more time passes of course.


Don't worry I don't plan to say "I'm new" for much longer, just gotta get used to how it's usually played in a forum then it should be all good
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
wait, does this mean you think Nomad would be likely to be shot today?
if so, why?
Because I don’t think I’ve ever seen Nomad live through a game other than Love Boat when he was tied to me and he isn’t so active or helpful as to avoid the potential of being shot today.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Don't worry I don't plan to say "I'm new" for much longer, just gotta get used to how it's usually played in a forum then it should be all good

Pick some people that stand out to you for whatever reason and stick with them and try develop some reads on them. In my first game I followed people who's usernames sounded the coolest to me.

Trying to keep up with everyone will get you lost quickly.

A lot of us have played many, many, many time together and therefore tend to bullshit our reads with meta. So don't feel discouraged.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
we should turn this into a thing, like a marry fuck kill thing.
Shoot/Vote/Protect

Shoot: Fireblend (inactive + defended Grizzly in one of his few posts, that probably applies to other inactives but he’s the only one I remember right now lol and that makes him at least slightly better than, say, Blarg.)
Vote: Kyanrute (he's got a whole lot of posts to say very little. A scum verelios would probably have a big impact though considering kyan's relative tunneling on him.) Tactician is reaaaally trying his best to take this spot though it seems.
Protect: Stuart (I'm not even going to touch the Grizzly fakeclaim anymore because it's super WIFOMy. But Stuart's got a whole lot of posts that do feel like they're trying to engage with the game on a level that feels earnest.)

VOTE: Kyanrute
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Do you or don't you agree that the former has less need/chance for secrecy? You never specified that.

I agree that the vigilante can take a blind shot and apparantly has a 50/50 of it being disclosed, if that's what you are asking. But that's all from the flip text so I'm not sure what you're so interested in regarding that fact.
 
Shoot: Fireblend (inactive + defended Grizzly in one of his few posts, that probably applies to other inactives but he’s the only one I remember right now lol and that makes him at least slightly better than, say, Blarg.)

I forgot about Fireblend actually. I'm super curious now why he's not been around and not even been mentioned much until now (I mean I forgot about him until you brought him up but considering the size of the playerbase, it's easy to forget people not posting)
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
So I'm not sure where you getting me flipping any narrative here. I do find and still do highlighting the vig over the ITA boost and the possibility of Cable's items somewhat strange and in his own words unimportant to him.

I’m kind of having trouble following this discussion, but I can see not bringing Cable items so as to not try to get whoever might have one to reveal that they do. And as far as the ITA buff goes, my assumption is that if it were used, it would be imperceptible to us.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I forgot about Fireblend actually. I'm super curious now why he's not been around and not even been mentioned much until now (I mean I forgot about him until you brought him up but considering the size of the playerbase, it's easy to forget people not posting)

I find that looking at the player list tends to lead to a lot of “wait, they’re playing?” moments. But yeah, Fireblend has been very lopsided in his appearances, showed up early on and hasn’t returned IIRC
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I agree that the vigilante can take a blind shot and apparantly has a 50/50 of it being disclosed, if that's what you are asking. But that's all from the flip text so I'm not sure what you're so interested in regarding that fact.
It's something I had noticed, so in your opinion was it wrong to post about it?
 
And the worst. Cabot-tier.

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(I don't have any marvel gifs :( so here's a quick google gif)
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Verelios wanted a Thank You for some hot takes and Kawl was all Later, Losers but somehow that was the conversation that got him to put in some effort.

So, yeah weird works.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Verelios wanted a Thank You for some hot takes and Kawl was all Later, Losers but somehow that was the conversation that got him to put in some effort.

So, yeah weird works.
This is the conversation going on while I have time to post while trying to fall asleep after the girlfriend is already asleep. It’s not the most exciting but I’ll take what i can get
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
This is the conversation going on while I have time to post while trying to fall asleep after the girlfriend is already asleep. It’s not the most exciting but I’ll take what i can get

And nothing was accomplished.

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Shawarma?
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
So it seems like Grizzly threw in the towel when the voting first went down, shitposting etc. making more ppl vote for him
Then at some point decided to fight for himself, probably due to prodding by fellow scum, only it was too late?
Why did he give up so quick?

Still think we need a kawl flip. His play at the end of the day about claiming TD was during Grizz vote. Didn't really deter from grizz though. Idk.

Terraforce made note of a train forming on grizz.

Ynnek,Nin,Geno,hecht,apollo,crimsonfist,faircure,gorlak,polt, muffin were some of the last votes for grizz. Wouldn't be surprised if there were scum or two in there. ill be able to look closer at their interactions Friday evening, wn I get home.

As far as scumreading me due to yesterday, I still a and by my arguments made yesterday, even more so now that kawl says he didn’t do the td. Still say that kawl flip gives us answers. Will look at the ones who died’s interactions when I get more time, later in the evening.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
someone break down the logic behind scum!me making the fake TD claim if you could. Since a few of y’all seem to be posturing for that
 
someone break down the logic behind scum!me making the fake TD claim if you could. Since a few of y’all seem to be posturing for that
You posted that shizzle right when Grizzly climbed the top of the vote count with 7 votes.

Maybe you hoped to stir up shit and change the train, but that didn't work out.
 
You posted that shizzle right when Grizzly climbed the top of the vote count with 7 votes.

Maybe you hoped to stir up shit and change the train, but that didn't work out.

Why did you unvote from Grizz? I saw nothing at all before or after where you justified it. So I'm confused as to why you jumped off like that even though you jumped back on later.
 
RE: night kills - CRIMSON - FADDY - HECHT

I mean holy shit, someone is afraid of capable players! This also means scum team has someone who has a very good insight into our community. Unless you want to apply these choices simply for going for Grizzly, but I doubt that's the case.

Where there any real arguments against Grizzly? Did anyone convincingly state a case?
 
someone break down the logic behind scum!me making the fake TD claim if you could. Since a few of y’all seem to be posturing for that

Well what's the logic behind a Town!You doing something like that?

Doesn't make sense regardless of alignment but then again, neither did Grizzly's giving up the way he did.

Some shit might just be illogical.

Of course there is the whole doing it during the Grizzly stuff AND you voted for someone else because runaway trains are boring. While both of them alone may mean nothing, together, they might mean something.

Just something for people to think about really.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
You posted that shizzle right when Grizzly climbed the top of the vote count with 7 votes.

Maybe you hoped to stir up shit and change the train, but that didn't work out.

So I went to bat for an apathetic bear who couldn’t be assed to defend himself, claiming to use a power that’s almost certainly non town aligned, on the off chance it would stir shit up in what direction? Away from him but also away from me in this situation?
 
Unless you want to apply these choices simply for going for Grizzly, but I doubt that's the case.

Where there any real arguments against Grizzly? Did anyone convincingly state a case?

Faddy feels like a revenge push. The rest, idk, I've not played with them.

No one made a real case outside of meta reasons myself included so him giving up so easily is just odd instead of fighting against it.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Well what's the logic behind a Town!You doing something like that?

Doesn't make sense regardless of alignment but then again, neither did Grizzly's giving up the way he did.

Some shit might just be illogical.

Of course there is the whole doing it during the Grizzly stuff AND you voted for someone else because runaway trains are boring. While both of them alone may mean nothing, together, they might mean something.

Just something for people to think about really.
Town me does it because it’s exciting and day ones are boooooring with out gambits. Scum me doesn’t because when I have actual teammates depending on me I try not to be an ass (unless Blarg is involved). Upside of scum me making that bullshit up is such a small percent versus possibly putting scum down two people quick as hell. Upside of town me doing it is likewise very small lol, but it really only affects me if people decide to be dumb and lynch me.
 
Why did you unvote from Grizz? I saw nothing at all before or after where you justified it. So I'm confused as to why you jumped off like that even though you jumped back on later.
I was nowhere near convinced he was scum. I obviously tried to get something, anything moving in the thread (see my interaction with hecht, the natiko or kawl vote). Then there was the vibe against Grizzly, but no votes came in, so I actively supported Faddy's Grizzly vote and the wagon ensued.

Grizzly was behaving strange and softed. I unvoted to wait for his claim, which wasn't convincing me in the end.
 
Town me does it because it’s exciting and day ones are boooooring with out gambits. Scum me doesn’t because when I have actual teammates depending on me I try not to be an ass (unless Blarg is involved). Upside of scum me making that bullshit up is such a small percent versus possibly putting scum down two people quick as hell. Upside of town me doing it is likewise very small lol, but it really only affects me if people decide to be dumb and lynch me.

Is this meta because again, no frame of reference if you're saying that's how you normally are. I'm just relying on what's in the game

And well, all your actions have been pretty illogical for any alignment imo.

Unless Blarg is involved though... damn, I wish he was here. People keep talking him up lmao.
 
Grizzly was behaving strange and softed. I unvoted to wait for his claim, which wasn't convincing me in the end.

Looking back now, (I feel dumb for missing this when I looked last night) but I see you unvoted after he softed so okay. This is understandable and not weird to me now.
 
So I went to bat for an apathetic bear who couldn’t be assed to defend himself, claiming to use a power that’s almost certainly non town aligned, on the off chance it would stir shit up in what direction? Away from him but also away from me in this situation?
Yeah possibly, I mean Grizzly was roleblock and godfather, looks pretty important to me and maybe worth a bad gambit. It's not like you've ever down sth. ridiculous as scum, right?

So you could be scum and the gambit leaves a strange impression, but I don't think it's worth lynching you today.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Is this meta because again, no frame of reference if you're saying that's how you normally are. I'm just relying on what's in the game

And well, all your actions have been pretty illogical for any alignment imo.

Unless Blarg is involved though... damn, I wish he was here. People keep talking him up lmao.
I'm throwing it out there, but if Kawl was scum then why didn't he persist with the TD claim for a while more? Makes no sense to immediately recant in that case.
 
@Sawneeks Can you explain to me why you think I'm lost? Is it because I wasn't following why people were voting for Grizzly in the first place?

Also, people should not take my vote on Grizzly to mean anything other than what I put in my post. I completely assumed that Grizzly was telling the truth about his role and did indeed wanted to avoid a last-minute cluster**** before the day ended, which is something I've seen happen way too many times before.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Yeah possibly, I mean Grizzly was roleblock and godfather, looks pretty important to me and maybe worth a bad gambit. It's not like you've ever down sth. ridiculous as scum, right?

So you could be scum and the gambit leaves a strange impression, but I don't think it's worth lynching you today.
Man you know that it doesn’t matter how good of a role someone has if they aren’t going to put in the effort. Scum doesn’t tie an additional rock around their neck day one for no gain.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
@Sawneeks Can you explain to me why you think I'm lost? Is it because I wasn't following why people were voting for Grizzly in the first place?

Also, people should not take my vote on Grizzly to mean anything other than what I put in my post. I completely assumed that Grizzly was telling the truth about his role and did indeed wanted to avoid a last-minute cluster**** before the day ended, which is something I've seen happen way too many times before.
Oh, okay. Since I have you here, what do you think of melon today?

And the first ITA starts at an ungodly time, I'll probably be asleep.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Is this meta because again, no frame of reference if you're saying that's how you normally are. I'm just relying on what's in the game

And well, all your actions have been pretty illogical for any alignment imo.

Unless Blarg is involved though... damn, I wish he was here. People keep talking him up lmao.
No it’s not meta. I’m just talking about how Mafia is inherently much more of a team game when you are scum. The stakes are higher on your individual performance to not let down a much smaller number of people depending on you much more. This isn’t meta: I’d care more if I was scum. I’d be posting about how I’m totally going to go back and look over the thread and post reads yadda yadda cause that’s what people trying to do good would do. But I’m not and i don’t cause being bad town has a much smaller impact for your team.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
we should turn this into a thing, like a marry fuck kill thing.
Shoot/Vote/Protect

Shoot: Kawl
Vote: Ynnek (shocking)
Protect: ....Kyan

i need to patent this game, bleed yall on royalties once it catchs on.

anyway, why shoot Saw?
i think iv missed virtually all her play.

b..but i thought we were magic buddies? ;;

It's an unexpected move, no? Mainly gut but I feel something is lacking there.

I appreciate you calling me on it tho.

want to give a litttttle more than that or am I just in the crosshairs for gut feels?

So it seems like Grizzly threw in the towel when the voting first went down, shitposting etc. making more ppl vote for him
Then at some point decided to fight for himself, probably due to prodding by fellow scum, only it was too late?
Why did he give up so quick?

Still think we need a kawl flip. His play at the end of the day about claiming TD was during Grizz vote. Didn't really deter from grizz though. Idk.

Terraforce made note of a train forming on grizz.

Ynnek,Nin,Geno,hecht,apollo,crimsonfist,faircure,gorlak,polt, muffin were some of the last votes for grizz. Wouldn't be surprised if there were scum or two in there. ill be able to look closer at their interactions Friday evening, wn I get home.

As far as scumreading me due to yesterday, I still a and by my arguments made yesterday, even more so now that kawl says he didn’t do the td. Still say that kawl flip gives us answers. Will look at the ones who died’s interactions when I get more time, later in the evening.

Kawl already said it but what makes him Scum?

also this post says roughly nothing.

@Sawneeks Can you explain to me why you think I'm lost? Is it because I wasn't following why people were voting for Grizzly in the first place?

Also, people should not take my vote on Grizzly to mean anything other than what I put in my post. I completely assumed that Grizzly was telling the truth about his role and did indeed wanted to avoid a last-minute cluster**** before the day ended, which is something I've seen happen way too many times before.

Pretty much, yes. I can grab specific posts but you asked a couple questions towards the end of Day 1 I felt were very earnest and you were genuinely trying to find your way in this massive mess of a game.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
So is there a reason most people are ignoring Ynnek, Zeke, and Alexem and going for Kawl/Vere?

Are my posts THAT forgettable?
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Town Reads: Not shocking but Melon and Splinter due to the Thunderdome. Just general good feelings for how they both reacted to it.
Elaborate please. I know this is kind of the consensus but after reflecting on it I disagree.

Besides, I don't want consensus opinion, I want Sawneek opinion.

This may be my first game where town pulled a scum lynch off the bat - that's Mahvel, baby!!

I have a suspicion that we saw as many deaths over the night as there are scummies left. It could very well be that scum do not have to come to a consensus in this game. If there were about 5 at the beginning, then giving them each a NK is a great way to balance a lower scum ratio in this game. The nice part is that this is somewhat testable... if we keep seeing high numbers of NK's, then that's strong support for my theory. It'd be unlikely for scum to not go for the NK's over a concern that I may be right.

Thoughts?
Whether this is right or wrong, what does it give us?

@Splinter - why would you vote no lynch yesterday during the TD and declare you want to attack melon today?

Why not just do it then?
I'll wait for Sawneeks' thoughts before answering this, but as alluded to above my opinion of melon changed afterward.

A lot of this relies on my theory that Grizzly sacrificed himself for one of the current vote leaders.

Out of all 3 of the main ones (Vere, Ry and Kawl), I feel he could probably have made enough of a case again Vere. it'd be a weak case but look at all the votes on Vere during the day, enough people may have gone for it. Ry's case many would call lazy as people who had already voted for him (which included me), people called those votes lazy so that wouldn't have helped Grizzly at all.

Kawl many people have been wtf over. A case could have been made but I feel like he'd have had more success making a case against Vere and Grizzly is a good player from what I've seen. He knew he could but didn't and gave up so easily.

Of course it doesn't rule out the other two as scum, I'm just saying Vere was the easiest of the vote leaders to push on and possibly get enough people to stay on Vere but Grizzly didn't.

If none of them were scum, that would blow my theory up but look at how easy Grizzly gave up instead of fighting. I know in PR when I went a bit idgaf, people accused me of sacrificing for other scum despite not being scum but we KNOW Grizzly is scum and we know he gave up very easily and trolled for the last hour or so after his votes gained traction. So him sacrificing himself for others is actually pretty viable compared to PR where people accused me of it and I ended up being town.

That's all the dots I can really connect just now. It's maybe not conclusive but it's good to keep in mind as the day progresses I think in terms of possible scum targets to watch out for.
I liked this theory until monkey pointed out that Grizzly pushed the Vere train along to begin with.

I never really felt like that Vere lynch was going to happen tbh. I think everyone who was convinced by the event thing got their vote down pretty early, and the momentum was already against it.

There was a bit of a vacuum for a really strong lynch candidate, which is why the grizz vote picked up so easily. As far as I remember Faddy asked people to defend him, and when no one did went "yep, this'll do".

To piggy back off your theory though, maybe Kawl is worth a closer look. IIRC Grizz threw in the towel when Kawl started getting a few votes, maybe they feared a late swing?


4 pages to go, I'm gonna be late for work, aren't I?
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Shoot: Kawl
Vote: Ynnek (shocking)
Protect: ....Kyan
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You fucking what mate
Elaborate please. I know this is kind of the consensus but after reflecting on it I disagree.

Besides, I don't want consensus opinion, I want Sawneek opinion.


Whether this is right or wrong, what does it give us?


I'll wait for Sawneeks' thoughts before answering this, but as alluded to above my opinion of melon changed afterward.


I liked this theory until monkey pointed out that Grizzly pushed the Vere train along to begin with.

I never really felt like that Vere lynch was going to happen tbh. I think everyone who was convinced by the event thing got their vote down pretty early, and the momentum was already against it.

There was a bit of a vacuum for a really strong lynch candidate, which is why the grizz vote picked up so easily. As far as I remember Faddy asked people to defend him, and when no one did went "yep, this'll do".

To piggy back off your theory though, maybe Kawl is worth a closer look. IIRC Grizz threw in the towel when Kawl started getting a few votes, maybe they feared a late swing?


4 pages to go, I'm gonna be late for work, aren't I?
this quote shows me as having said something I think sawneeks said. Just as a heads up as I was very confused...
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
Faddy feels like a revenge push. The rest, idk, I've not played with them.

No one made a real case outside of meta reasons myself included so him giving up so easily is just odd instead of fighting against it.
mother dick, it's like I'm not even here. My case on Grizzly was not meta; it was based on him doing something really obviously scummy in pushing you.

in which I call bullshit right off because it looked bad
But I am not on board with this Stu stuff. After PR, I'm not lynching Stu day one. I see everything you, faircure, and Griz are saying and you're not wrong. But I think it's NAI in Stuart, who is coming off a rough game and is still trying to find his (maybe town?) feet. I think if he's scum it'll show but he's just gonna look worse and worse here if pushed and I fear that's a way too easy mislynch.
in which I tag Grizzly to make sure he saw - later I had to call him out again because he responded to others but ignored me
@Grizzly
I figure you're probably zzzz but for later - you voted Stu after I posted about how I was looking at him, but you didn't respond to me. Why not? I'd like to discuss him with you.
in which I counter his "it's my meta" defense by saying nah, it's not the only way you play or how you play all the time
Sometimes. Sometimes you disappear for long stretches, too. In my experience, that happens when you're town. Just food for thought.
just me staying on it
The other person I'm concerned with so far is Grizzly. I see some suspicion on Geno (so many G names here lol) but that pings me less; I can see reasons to townread his insistence on slaughtering people, even if I don't agree with it. I'll see how he develops.
not letting up because he was roleblocked
Why should I wait to follow up on someone I think was pushing obvious mislynch bait? Because he’s roleblocked? Meh.
pointing out he was ignoring me (I quoted all my posts back to him but skipped that one here)
What am I supposed to make of Grizzly ignoring everything I’ve said to/about him?
countering Grizzly's defense, which was scummy as hell
If he's developing based on advice, though, then he will continue to develop and I don't see any reason at all to lynch him today. I also find it... let's say interesting... that your defense for yourself is that it's your meta but you're only interested in looking at one meta for Stuart. That, too, will develop, I expect.
case based on Grizzly being too smart to do what he was doing as town, not his meta - but also noting that after he started pulling the "meta" defense, he changed his play
Hecht is being very Hecht. Probably town. He'll look scummy from time to time, lack in thread impact, push people without great reasons and huff when no one follows his invisible logic. Would not even consider lynching today.


There's meta - which some people are leaning on here, sure - and then there's you being smart enough to not have pushed on Stuart like that the way you did. It felt like a set up. You were baiting him. And I don't buy your overexplaining reasoning in response. And since, you look like you're playing purposely against your meta, which just further reinforces your self awareness.
just other ruminations after he softed
So the question becomes why would a town Grizzly just roll over like this. ScumGriz maybe hoping we all wait for a claim and then leap off last minute, which is why he's holding back info. Town Griz may just think well, I'm here, no great scumreads, so why not, especially if busy in the coming days.
post-claim
I'm staying on Grizzly post-claim. Sorry, bearface, but neutrals gotta go and it's too easy for scum to fakeclaim neutral and cross their fingers.
saying the same shit I'm saying now because damn, I guess no one sees me
I dunno if I believe you but if you're telling the truth, I'm gonna relax on my luxurious divan labeled "I was right about that bullshit."

Honestly, Stuart.
 
So is there a reason most people are ignoring Ynnek, Zeke, and Alexem and going for Kawl/Vere?

Are my posts THAT forgettable?

I replied to someone about Alexem earlier. Not sure if I feel they are scum or not but keeping an eye on them whenever they post that is.

But as for the first two, I am unsure on Ynnek but I'm keeping an eye on them now after you pointed out their vote.

Zeke... I just forgot about them honestly. Sorry ^^;
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
So is there a reason most people are ignoring Ynnek, Zeke, and Alexem and going for Kawl/Vere?

Are my posts THAT forgettable?
I am feeling some kinda way about thread clogging back-and-forths that don't seem to be hunting scum and wondering if there's some bad-faith posting going on to purposely obfuscate and get things lost in a big game, honestly.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Also so now the theory is I threw my hat in the ring for a gambit to save apathetic bear only for him to then fall on the sword when i got heat for a claim that was never going to be taken as town aligned...

Come on splinter you’re better than that.

Wait what am I saying? Never mind, that’s exactly what I would expect from you
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
You're either a Townie who doesn't give a fuck about other Townies or you're a Neutral with a goal.

there's little to lose if you are either of these options.
Also people keep revolving around you (see: Zeke and current Kawl talk) that people are gonna be stubborn on so I'd rather take this gamble then have you be the lynch choice.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
You're either a Townie who doesn't give a fuck about other Townies or you're a Neutral with a goal.

there's little to lose if you are either of these options.
Yea but neither of those are scum. Why not use shots on...you know the baddies?
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I replied to someone about Alexem earlier. Not sure if I feel they are scum or not but keeping an eye on them whenever they post that is.

But as for the first two, I am unsure on Ynnek but I'm keeping an eye on them now after you pointed out their vote.

Zeke... I just forgot about them honestly. Sorry ^^;

I am feeling some kinda way about thread clogging back-and-forths that don't seem to be hunting scum and wondering if there's some bad-faith posting going on to purposely obfuscate and get things lost in a big game, honestly.

bluh bluh bluh

i'm gonna quote stuff and make a big wall of it so people can't ignore it. :X
 
mother dick, it's like I'm not even here. My case on Grizzly was not meta; it was based on him doing something really obviously scummy in pushing you.

;_; I'm sorry monkey. I honestly forgot. I've been up for too long (and I'm not going to sleep cause Donna is feeling ill so looking after her ;-;) and I'm starting to forget things or mess things up in my head.

Sorry again though Monkey. I'll try no to forget like that again.
 
Oh, okay. Since I have you here, what do you think of melon today?

And the first ITA starts at an ungodly time, I'll probably be asleep.
Well, she seems to be pretty active but hasn't done much in the way of moving the conversation forward. That said, I think that she, along with everyone else, are just biding their time until the ITAs start. I'm kinda curious why you want my specific opinion since I haven't really interacted with either you or her though lol.

Speaking of which, I'm totally using mine on Rynam today.
 
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