EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
DCPAT actively didnt want to touch the Melon is scum/td theory.
Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
- Thread starter Sorian
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Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
The hell am I alone going to do against an Alexem lynch? I said I was unsure about his claim and what I said before that is just plain truth - that Alexem flipped town makes y'all look scummy to me. And I commented on Blarg. There's nothing inherently scummy about him. Might as well lynch LP who behaves similar, minus the weird remarks that don't make much sense.
God forbid somebody places his vote outside of the two number one lynches.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I put too many chilli peppers into this miso I'm drinking right now and it's destroying me
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Damnit I forgot a part of the sentence. Add "when those lynches don't appeal to them" at the end.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Rynam was scum, right?
You shot him
So you're Town, right?
You shot him
So you're Town, right?
... There was someone in this game called DCPat?
Getting a little suspicious of Monkey for starting the Alexem vote. Hell, I’m convinced a chunk of the remaining scum were the votes for the Blarg > Alexem shift.
I’m going to look at where the Alexem train caught steam to see who’s the most suspicious, but it seemed to all happen at once so all 11 non-Stranger, non-Alexem’s self-vote players are high on my Scum Radar. One of the deciding votes was Stranger, but I’m 110% convinced that, if Blarg isn’t Stranger, he had direct communication with the controller.
Getting a little suspicious of Monkey for starting the Alexem vote. Hell, I’m convinced a chunk of the remaining scum were the votes for the Blarg > Alexem shift.
I’m going to look at where the Alexem train caught steam to see who’s the most suspicious, but it seemed to all happen at once so all 11 non-Stranger, non-Alexem’s self-vote players are high on my Scum Radar. One of the deciding votes was Stranger, but I’m 110% convinced that, if Blarg isn’t Stranger, he had direct communication with the controller.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Who here scumreads Muffin, raise your hands
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Everyone assumed you shot Rynam. I shot Splinter.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Finally somebody who understand what I'm saying.
If you look at my post on the last page it has quotes of the Alexem train starting, minus Gorlak who is confirmed town.
Man, that sounds delicious! You have good taste, Blarg. Thank you for your contributions to this game, by the way.
Vote: Blargonaut
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
sorry, math says you're wrong
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I shot Rynam? When?
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
oh that's right you shot scum!*Splinter. Phew
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
TD event Voting again. There is at least one to two more scum on that no lynch train.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
So at the time you departed the thread you felt confident that Blarg was town, even prior to his claim? So confident that you would rather put your vote somewhere you knew it would have no impact? At the time you left Alex wasn’t even in the lead.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I think Rynam died outside of an ITA phase and we don't have a claim of who did it. If I'm not mixing that up.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
You're saying I should vote against Swamped, then?
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
But how?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Not confident of somebody being scum isn't the same as being confident of them being town. Blarg wasn't more lynchworthy as any inactive, plain and simple. The Stranger and his timing some people were going on about is easy to fake/frame by whoever made him, assuming it wasn't Blarg.
And no, if I don't like either lynch, I don't really care to impact it one or the other way, unless I have a clear preference. Which I didn't.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I'm feeling a Natiko or Stan lynch Today
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I do. Hopefully will have more time this phase to dive deeper into more people, but for now:
VOTE: Muffin
What do you make of Blarg’s claim and the verification that has been given to it by Kawl and Melon? Who all do you suspect is scum alongside Blarg for that read on him to make sense?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I'm not suggesting that, I just answered your question. Why do you want to vote people who scumread me?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
BBL margaritas and burgers calls. Prepare for my drunken reads and deep mafia wisdom... @StanleyPalmtree I learned it from you and the Scottish.
Also,
Vote: lone_prodigy
Why you hiding, boo?
Also,
Vote: lone_prodigy
Why you hiding, boo?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I’m interested to hear your reasoning
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
hmm, dunno about that. The timing was too impeccable
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I get the former, why Stan though?
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Thanks
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
solid manoeuvreing, you just got +1 Scumtell in my books for diversionary targeting
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
oh wait Natiko's voting against you, I guess that's okay in a base instincts kinda way
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Both voted no lynch on TD. I can get behind that tbh.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I'm not diverting, I'm adding to the fact that Natiko is one of the ones pushing Alexem early as said and quoted by me earlier.
rac
whatever
so i have a wild idea but didn't do any homework
the two kills on day one and the stuart kill yesterday happened right after itas right?
what if scum can submit their own itas in the scum chat? i think it's worth to look at who didn't submit an ita yesterday or day one
man i hate homework, its so solitary
the two kills on day one and the stuart kill yesterday happened right after itas right?
what if scum can submit their own itas in the scum chat? i think it's worth to look at who didn't submit an ita yesterday or day one
man i hate homework, its so solitary
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Damn, I see why they killed gorlak.
Not only did he believe me with Melon potentially being scum
But this is like a circus.
LOL
Not only did he believe me with Melon potentially being scum
But this is like a circus.
LOL
LuxCommander
Bro.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Alright so according to the front page there's 25 of us left.
How many Mafia have died now?
How many Mafia have died now?
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
*scoffs*
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Like 7
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
That was indeed a very strange vote. I don't think she'd mentioned you before that.
Although:
Without a Blarg scum flip, I don't see how you can say "a chunk of the remaining scum were" in those votes against Alexem in the end. There's nothing concrete to base this speculation on. Blarg had a convincing claim that was supported by one green-checked player and by melon. There was no reason to lynch him out at that point.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Really? Seems like more than 7 died. Can you double-check? Everyone would really appreciate it
You see my avatar? My math goes further beyond regular math. And this is just SSJ1 math.
Moral of the story is, Lone Stranger voted similarly to you except for the vote on you. Which is, like, your signature. I would know; in casual, short-term games, that's a me move. Also that One Night game where everyone was convinced I was the Minion & thought voting for me was the worst possible move. And I was the Wolf so I didn't actually want to be voted for.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
If you look on the backs of my armour, they say, "Thanos bade me into a galactic deathmatch and all I got was this kevlar vest"
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
So... you're saying I've relation to the Stranger? Or not? Honestly you're confusing me with how multidimensionally wrong you are
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
sorry about your parents
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I personally was talking specifically of the four people i mentioned earlier who started the train. The point you're making here is fair regarding the others.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Do better.
I'm always weary of a last-second vote shift. It's too easy to bandwagon onto.
Yes, pointedly. If you don't control Stranger, you have a communication channel with the controller. It's not inherently bad that you have the Lone Stranger, but if there is an accomplice helping you, that does seem kinda scummy.
Ok. Fair enough. I ended up conflating what you said with what Zubz proposed there. I can see scum moving to create another town train at that point regardless of Blarg's alignment (especially if it serves to overshadow a theory that had just been brought up about their scummate ಠ_ಠ).
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
I'd be very hard-pressed to call what happened "you vs. Alexem". Monkey pushed all the attentions towards Alexem there.
Either way, I'll look up those posts from back then once again because I mostly skimmed through that part when I arrived.
I can already say, however, that the colored votes list for that event that you posted up there is very interesting.
Out of the 7 first No Lynch voters, which naturally were the ones that moved the needle in that direction, we've had 3 flips, of which 2 were scum. The other 4 players are still out there, while the ones in the lower half of the table were mostly townies. Scum is chipping away at town, but those who influenced the vote during that event are all being left alone.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I still find this very weak reasoning. We had just seen scum stall and hold out in order to craft a fake story. Why would we not want to pressure Alex to respond ASAP?
And regardless of Alex's flip, he didn't answer questions well or handle it well - he admitted it himself. It's unfortunate. There may be a scum on it, sure. It's an easy place for a scum to hide. But we've already had one town flip in that batch so unless there's concrete reasoning to point to another, this is back to more... what was it? concerned handwringing from the sidelines.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
It's not even about the first votes for the no lynch. The first votes of the even were mostly for Melon and Splinter. Then Melon and Splinter both worked to get ppl to vote a No lynch.
First read from the start of the event, til the end. Its really a short read.
Then check out my breakdown of it.
Here is a breakdown of my theory on the td
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
Put me in the pile of forgetting DC was in this game, i wonder if he was shot on an actual scum-read or just someone clearing out the inactives.
That or unlike me the shooter is just paying a decent amount of attention to the game
Still tho its nice to have reason to townread you, i was legitimately starting to suspect you there mostly on the basis that you wernt being interesting enough.
I have never been more proud.
:beers:
I am also curious to see id this leads to any kind of....well anything from LP
Vote:lone_prodigy
That or unlike me the shooter is just paying a decent amount of attention to the game
And you said you arnt here to entertain me.
Still tho its nice to have reason to townread you, i was legitimately starting to suspect you there mostly on the basis that you wernt being interesting enough.
I have never been more proud.
:beers:
I am also curious to see id this leads to any kind of....well anything from LP
Vote:lone_prodigy
i swear someone could come up to you with a signed scum-confession and you would still be raving "But The Thunderdome!!! IT GAVE THEM TOWNIEEE POINNNNTTTTSSSSSS"
So Lux killing JubJub is helpful, even if it sucks in the end, since it saves us from looking there today and may cause us to recalibrate a bit. I'm certainly looking back at my reads and wondering if at this point we're gonna end up taking out slacking town in ITAs and lynches - because that's where JubJub fell, honestly. He was just kinda present, didn't have great votes or reactions, and could easily be seen as scum. Problem is there are least 5-6 other players who look like that I can think of off the top of my head.
We need to get serious about trying to separate people based on votes, actions, shots taken in thread, shots NOT taken. But please, for the love of Sorian, if you are town, step up and get in this, even if you are lost. The game is smaller now.
We need to get serious about trying to separate people based on votes, actions, shots taken in thread, shots NOT taken. But please, for the love of Sorian, if you are town, step up and get in this, even if you are lost. The game is smaller now.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Include made low info posts hinting at the big claim she'd make that would make us all take our suspicion off of her. Alexem just hadn't answered yet. There's a difference.
And as I said yesterday, pressuring and prodding is fine. Didn't look like just that to me though.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
You are no lynch on TD too, wouldnt mind seeing your flip.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Getting reads from going back to a situation where a lynch around a dead town player formed isn't useless handwringing, it's being productive. You've said the same about this just being noise from the sidelines the last time when Alexem hadn't claimed yet. It's getting old.
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
legitimate question.
has the phrase "i bet there is a scum in this group of people" ever actually lead to any useful revelation?
because its always come across as the most "look im being deductive!" without actually making any tangible effort to help find scum.
@Blargonaut, can you keep BP for yourself or only give it others?
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
thats exactly the response i was already ferering too. you literally just repeated yourself.
jesus fuck man you really are tunneling.
I’m guessing bolded is based on vote distribution and scum!Splinter wagon going strong, right?TD event Voting again. There is at least one to two more scum on that no lynch train.
Natiko’s vote tied it at 3x3 too.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
If you have read the situation yesterday properly, you should know that this is not coming from nowhere just to get some quick activity points. I have said it then when Alexem could have flipped scum and I could have looked like a total ass and I said it now.
Of course I still need to do more and decide who out of this batch is actually the person I find the most scummy.
This is way too much. Blarg already barely averted his only with his claim, don’t see how this would help.
If you have a case, make one, but this snarking and loose finger-pointing does fuck all, Muffin, and you know it.
While you're at it, explain to me how it's in town's interest to let someone who acted strangely and who would almost certainly never be night-killed or ITAed go. Really, I'd like to know. Because Swamped gut-read him as town? Not convincing. Because he seemed like he could be legit? So do lots of people claiming in the moment.
It sucks. It happens. Games don't go perfectly. If you are gonna investigate, do it. Analyze. Otherwise tell me what else we were supposed to do, because he sure wasn't answering some of the questions being asked and there were no other options and no one else was making an alternate case after the reasons to lynch Blarg disappeared.
Everyone who voted for melon was town. I'm not sure how I feel about that.TD event Voting again. There is at least one to two more scum on that no lynch train.
Anyways, as promised I'm shooting Blarg during the next ITA phase since he somehow survived the night.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Bolded is just who is being voted on. IIRC, votes started heavy for Splnter/Melon, then both splinter and melon worked toward getting everyone to no lynch.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Do you think scum would repeat a tactic they had just seen fail? Which posts specifically don’t seem like pressuring Alex to respond?
Stantastic
Our Badminton Stanpion
Oh sure.
And actually sorry, lookign at it again my comment seems way more underhanded than i meant it to be.
This was much more just me venting at what has become a pet peeve of mine.
I actually might agree with you on the Alexem train, not so much on the formation of it but how it continued and ended up. This might just be something lost in translation as i wasnt reading it as it happened, but his lynch has this really weird tone too it, like no one was really all that into it or convinced about his scummyness, but then just went on with it anyway.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
What benefit is there to this information being revealed?
You know this is very premature right? He apparently got a claimed doctor alive (Blade?) and a jailer still around. Are you just assuming scum have a strong killer?
Honestly, even though it didn't matter in the end I regret voting for him. I said earlier that this Alexem train felt like a mistake, but with so little time left and Blarg ceasing to become a good option for lynching that day, there wasn't any other choice.
We need to be more proactive in preventing such a situation from occurring again.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
If you're gonna use arguments I don't like, I'm gonna call them out, thank you very much.
How the hell do you suddenly know he'd never been ITAed?
The latter is hurting your own argument. Yes, his claim didn't look outright fake to me, so I wasn't gonna lynch him. Not hard to understand.
This is a copout. Of course you weren't forced to lynch him. I'm giving you that nobody seemed to be willing to make a different case though. Probably because scum were alright with that lynch and town was complacent.
I agree.
Not what I said. I said COULD NOT be - if he had a reflect, no one was going to shoot him or NK him. Same thing I said yesterday.
I just want to know why he's still alive. If Blarg can just hand out BPs every night then not killing him is going to come bite very hard in the late game. Assuming I'm reading Sorian's post right in regards to how people died last night, why go for Gorlak instead?
I am Groot.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
You're misunderstanding me here. There's a few people pressuring somebody who needs to explain, and then there's going overboard and starting a train on it asap. There was absolutely no need for you and for example Zeke or Kalor joining in on it so quickly with a vote.
We were able to (seemingly) confirm Blarg's claim with less than an hour left 'til EoD. Through either scum's luck or ingenuity, the only other viable train at that time was Alexem. I wasn't feeling it after their claim and their self-vote. But I doubt anyone who wasn't active at the time would've tried to start a train if they were there, either.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Ah, that. Alright.
In fact I'd be interesting in seeing a certain flip.
Natiko
Natiko
VOTE: Natiko
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Kawl is pretty much greenchecked, your other two are about what I'd think though too.
I don't think Zeke is scum, because of that ITA shot which he got a powerful scum role with. Kalor I'll have to go through his posts.
same hat
Kawl has a town clear from an alignment cop. Explain your position, please.
If Kawl isn't scum, either you, Natiko or both of you are. Your track records have been incredibly weak this entire game and last night vote for town and then the switch over to who is conveniently also town is incredibly sketchy.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Gorlak's thoughts on melon
DCPAT - I prodded him yesterday becuase I noticed that me/gorlak were heavily discussing the TD event/scum Melon aspect and DCPAT skipped all of that to talk about include/stu, which I found odd.
He finally gives his "review" of the melon situation.
Important quote -
Apollo's thoughts on Melon/TD
Important quote -
Include on Melon/TD
First vote on the TD is Apollo voting for a no lynch. Scum splinter didnt even try to kill melon even though he couldve argued it. Both he and melon went for a no lynch instead.
Dead Scum:
Grizzly
Splinter
Apollo
Verelios
Rynam
Include
DCPAT
The following people did NOT have an active vote at day end:
Lone_Prodigy
briefs_cat
See how easy that is to say?
Lone_Prodigy
briefs_cat
Your track record has been incredibly weak this whole game.
See how easy that is to say?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
A vote is the best way to pressure someone. It’s more likely to be noticed and puts more emphasis on your point. It also isn’t set in stone and can be adjusted as desired. It’s the most basic tactic in mafia lol