hmmmm
This interaction between Barney and Zombie......seems a bit off.....and Barney wants to be lunched?
is this breadcrumbing to a lunch bomb? But what would zombie produce to be alive on day 2?
If this is not forced or anything then
Here it is.Which posts made you feel this way on all three of them?
uter the bus in particular is a phrase that ust wins me over.after reading everything i came to the conclusion that i am extremely unsure who i will vote for.
I won't be able to push anyone uter the bus now. give me some more time.
I just found the idea offputting. Being the second vote on someone is hardly bandwagoning or anything like that
Not a lunch bomb. I wish.Smells like lunch bomb to me
Really the more you don't post the more I really honest to god believe that you're lunch bombNot a lunch bomb. I wish.
I'm not one tho.Really the more you don't post the more I really honest to god believe that you're lunch bomb
I don't think these posts are bread crumbing anything. I never know what to do in these situations, we don't get much info if we jump on Barney, but just barely skating by tends to let scum hide till late game.
Was just about to pop in and say that I'm slammed tonight and will be on first thing in the morning through EoD.
I'm not going to bother addressing those people anymore, this is the last time. Their whole thinking is that I'm either defensive or that I didn't contribute enough while I was here, to which I say do people really think they are contributing when they talk about if Cereal Killer is a Serial Killer or Dracula dropping an accent? I could be posting bullshit like that all day. I'm still saying lynch Dracula, as for Rey he's probably town for reasons hard to explain.@Bob Ross There are a few players who think you are a good lynch candidate for today, and you haven't really addressed them. Do you have any thoughts or better choices on who we should lynch?
I'm not going to bother addressing those people anymore, this is the last time. Their whole thinking is that I'm either defensive or that I didn't contribute enough while I was here, to which I say do people really think they are contributing when they talk about if Cereal Killer is a Serial Killer or Dracula dropping an accent? I could be posting bullshit like that all day. I'm still saying lynch Dracula, as for Rey he's probably town for reasons hard to explain.
I'll vote there closer to the end of the day.You going to vote there yourself?
You’re already that certain of your end vote? Why not take a stand nowI'll vote there closer to the end of the day.
Sure I guess although I don't usually vote early D1.You’re already that certain of your end vote? Why not take a stand now
Not putting down a vote is not really a Town indicator in my opinion. Scum is usually more careful where they put their votes.These pushes on clown seem more like people trying to fabricate a reason to place a vote, I seriously don't understand how his comments are scum POV, esp. considering his lack of opportunistic vote followup to his suspicions.
What do you think this says about the ones that didn't vote? What does it say about Dracula?Interesting that a lot of people were on the Drac thing but didn't vote there even as prod
vote: Barack Obama
please know it isn't personal, Mr. President but I expect more from you
That was my feeling as well. There's this sudden push that it is definitely a slip and I don't really like it.Dracula feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum, especially on Day 1 when people aren't able to look too deeply. It's all noise that is so NAI, I don't like it.
Vote: Zombie
Has he really walked it back though?Don't think Barney is scum. Scum too self conscious to try what Barney is trying. Would also be too self conscious to walk it back like he's doing.
Are we still bussing Dracula or not?
Only one scum left for you to find
I'm not following this psychic vision thing. You mean the light TR on me?Whilst Day one activity is NAI
@Daenerys Targaryen psychic vision is almost worth investgating after day one
Thank you for your contribution.Don't mind me, just here completing my post quota without contributing to the discussion.
Kool-Aid has few posts, but I like them,
Zombie feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum, especially on Day 1 when people aren't able to look too deeply. It's all noise that is so NAI, I don't like it.Dracula feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum, especially on Day 1 when people aren't able to look too deeply. It's all noise that is so NAI, I don't like it.
Vote: Zombie
Don't mind me, just here completing my post quota without contributing to the discussion.
Let us view the situation without assuming whether Dracula’s soul is good or not.Thank you for that. I watched certain people get suspected and took some notes. What I noticed first of all is the fact that Dracula was suspected without having a real clue. Everything seems very, very suspect to me. I will now pursue this.
Let us view the situation without assuming whether Dracula’s soul is good or not.
There is quite a bit of activity about this post by Dracula so there has to be responses from good souls about it. How do you think an evil would be reacting?
right fair enough,though I think there's 18 players . Dracula said something similar, (complete with equations!), so leaning towards 'not a scum making a dumb mistake' for nowThat would be the standard number. Four evils in a game of seventeen has a long history.
Death is a part of life, and sometimes the only thing we can do is choose who goes firstMr. President, what exactly is wrong about that comment - why is is terrible enough for you to desire the death of the detained?
To who?Death is a part of life, and sometimes the only thing we can do is choose who goes first
**I'll probably be moving my vote off of Prisoner soon though !
I'm trying I'm trying@Zombie @Barack Obama @Kool-Aid Man have all been real quiet, Cinderella just above but at least they have made a little impact I think (going off memory)
Hmmm actually looking back Prisoner is still 1st on list, followed by Banana.To who?
Death is a part of life, and sometimes the only thing we can do is choose who goes first
**I'll probably be moving my vote off of Prisoner soon though !
only when I'm confused and tired Mr Clown (wait did I answer the same question twice?)Mr. President, do you often respond twice to the same question?
My take on the Dracula situation is wait and see how things develop over the next game day then revisit things.Interesting that a lot of people were on the Drac thing but didn't vote there even as prod
vote: Barack Obama
please know it isn't personal, Mr. President but I expect more from you
(wait did I answer the same question twice?)
I just found the idea offputting. Being the second vote on someone is hardly bandwagoning or anything like that
Death is a part of life, and sometimes the only thing we can do is choose who goes first
**I'll probably be moving my vote off of Prisoner soon though !
Banana - Feels like a calculated town act. I keep reading his posts, and he looks and sounds town, but given the whole range of interactions we've had in this day 1, keeping a level head feels totally out of place. Almost like he is disconnected from the proceedings.To all the nonvoters, who are you leaning towards and why?
I would like to see some more impressions lists from people to see where everyone stands on the player base in total. I'm curious to see if there is anyone who is under my radar that is more suspect to other people and vice versa.
Zombie feels like an easy target for town to get led into by Scum, especially on Day 1 when people aren't able to look too deeply. It's all noise that is so NAI, I don't like it.
Why the vote for Zombie? He looks like an easier target.
I agree. No one is making Zombie look like an easy target. He’s doing that just fine on his own.What? That doesn't make any sense. How is Zombie an easy target for scum to push town onto?
Bob Ross posting reminded me I was half-asleep reading this and didn’t properly address it. For all the dismissing you’re doing on the conversations surrounding Dracula, you’re at least convinced enough to vote to lynch him. How do you square up your reasoning for not engaging in conversation because it’s bullshit with a vote based on bullshit?I'm not going to bother addressing those people anymore, this is the last time. Their whole thinking is that I'm either defensive or that I didn't contribute enough while I was here, to which I say do people really think they are contributing when they talk about if Cereal Killer is a Serial Killer or Dracula dropping an accent? I could be posting bullshit like that all day. I'm still saying lynch Dracula, as for Rey he's probably town for reasons hard to explain.
The vote is not based on bullshit, that's your opinion.Bob Ross posting reminded me I was half-asleep reading this and didn’t properly address it. For all the dismissing you’re doing on the conversations surrounding Dracula, you’re at least convinced enough to vote to lynch him. How do you square up your reasoning for not engaging in conversation because it’s bullshit with a vote based on bullshit?
Thank you Waffler!IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION FOR JUST A SECOND.
Hey guys, I just wanted to drop in a line and mention that per your requests, I've enabled changing Posts Per Page in the preferences section of the site. You can click on your name in the upper right hand part of the site, select "Preferences" and then change the number to 25, 50, 100, 150, or even 200. (It defaults to 100. I have a feeling I'm going to need to trim those options down when people start arguing about how 200 ppp is superior or something like that. Natiko, let me know if it becomes an issue.)
Anyway, enjoy the game!
Hmm? Why am I in costume if I'm not part of the game?
Don't worry about it, it's not important.
WAFFLER, AWAY!
I'm trying I'm trying
I’m using your words. What is the vote on Dracula based on if not the same pointless day 1 conversations?The vote is not based on bullshit, that's your opinion.
When did I say everything on day 1 is pointless? Don't put words in my mouth, I only said certain players are posting bullshit and calling it "scumhunting", when it's clearly just busywork, it's pretty obvious what I wanted to say.I’m using your words. What is the vote on Dracula based on if not the same pointless day 1 conversations?
I mean it's day 1, we don't have much to go off, the slip is the best thing we have and I'm sure people can agree, I've seen some say that we should wait and see on that but I'm asking, why? Can they give me any reason as to why wait? It's D1, we might've caught scum and you want to wait for no reason, we don't have better leads anyway.@Bob Ross your case against Dracula, is it just the "slip"?
I do not feel the power in the witch, like at all...
Will be a bold move but one that is at least a move.
Vote: Witch
Why wouldn’t he be an easy target? He’s done a lot less than Dracula.What? That doesn't make any sense. How is Zombie an easy target for scum to push town onto?
Stop judging players on post count, just stop. Scum can post a lot as well, it's not guaranteed that scum will just coast.Why wouldn’t he be an easy target? He’s done a lot less than Dracula.
What was the reasoning behind this post? It feels a bit like an evil asking what good people they can vote for.I would like to see some more impressions lists from people to see where everyone stands on the player base in total. I'm curious to see if there is anyone who is under my radar that is more suspect to other people and vice versa.
I mean it's day 1, we don't have much to go off, the slip is the best thing we have and I'm sure people can agree, I've seen some say that we should wait and see on that but I'm asking, why? Can they give me any reason as to why wait? It's D1, we might've caught scum and you want to wait for no reason, we don't have better leads anyway.
Zombie’s post count is fine, they’ve just not made much of an impression. I already know a lot of Dracula’s thoughts on this game unlike Zombie.Stop judging players on post count, just stop. Scum can post a lot as well, it's not guaranteed that scum will just coast.
Ok then, I won't try to convince you to vote there, I'll be staying there though.I for one completely disagree when you say that the slip is the best thing we have. I don't think it was a slip. With that, the rest falls apart in my view. I think we should not lynch Dracula, because there is no good reason to do so. I don't really understand the opposite view to mine, the one you seem to hold, as it seems to be based on what I view as a complete falsehood.
Is it bold because nobody really is entertaining this option or what makes this move bold in your opinion? Why do you think nobody is considering Witch? Why are you considering Witch / why should we consider Witch? What do you think about Witch's top three targets?
Sorry, I failed to tie my point back to Zombie suddenly putting a vote down with very light prodding from CK. That was part of the issue.
I agree with your overall point. I’ve been content with letting people explore Dracula and try to facilitate that, provide information where necessary, even if I believe the Dracula situation is everyone jumping at shadows. My reasoning for taking issue with yourself or Bob Ross or even Zombie now is built on a whole lot less.
What was the reasoning behind this post? It feels a bit like an evil asking what good people they can vote for.
I will say, I'm not there yet but Witch is definitely moving up my list of possible scum. I mean look at this:
But when he went to cast his votes he just defaulted to the the same people as suspects with bad reasons and then just went with the "sorry, I won't have time to contribute much today" route to slink back into the shadows.
This is a bad way of thinking, has Koolaid man or Obama left an impression? Do you really know their thoughts? The opposite can be said about me, I clearly left an impression, this is why you're voting me and I've clearly given my thoughts yet your vote is on me. Why? Explain that to me.Zombie’s post count is fine, they’ve just not made much of an impression. I already know a lot of Dracula’s thoughts on this game unlike Zombie.
They would be easy votes too. If you can’t find scum you’re better off removing the dead weight than potentially removing a useful good person.This is a bad way of thinking, has Koolaid man or Obama left an impression? Do you really know their thoughts? The opposite can be said about me, I clearly left an impression, this is why you're voting me and I've clearly given my thoughts yet your vote is on me. Why? Explain that to me.
I guess, just an edge to it that I didn’t like.A) I want to get people on record regarding how they are looking at things. It's easy for a scum to hide if only a couple of targets getting focus rather than spreading the view out a little wider. It won't help much for today but can be helpful as the day goes along.
B) If someone is strong on another player that I am not I want to see that so I can go back and see if I feel like there is anything I am personally missing.
C) Don't act like lists aren't something that people commonly put out in these games.
A useful "good" person might just be scum posting a lot so they can pocket players, have you thought about that?They would be easy votes too. If you can’t find scum you’re better off removing the dead weight than potentially removing a useful good person.
If you’re low on time it can be as easy as naming some people you like and some you don’t like.Reread what I wrote. I did not say I wouldn’t have time to contribute. You asked for a reads list, which is more than I can write out while I’m working. I’ve put reads out there all day.
I already said I didn’t have much behind my reasoning behind those lynch candidates, but I explained that as best I could. I’m not sure why you’re reemphasizing that on my behalf like you got me.
I don’t care if folks suspect me, but let it at least be for legitimate reasons.
Yup, but it’s much easier hiding when you’re not posting much. Statistical analysis shows that the top posters are usually not scum and that’s what my experience tells me too. Obviously a talkative person is always talkative, but game after game people are surprised at how many of the people they don’t notice are scum.A useful "good" person might just be scum posting a lot so they can pocket players, have you thought about that?
I’ll open up a note and try to work on it over the next few hours, though I don’t really see anyone else posting a list.If you’re low on time it can be as easy as naming some people you like and some you don’t like.
Finding your old posts takes a fair bit of time so a simple summary goes a long way.
Show me this statistical analysis. I want proof.Yup, but it’s much easier hiding when you’re not posting much. Statistical analysis shows that the top posters are usually not scum and that’s what my experience tells me too. Obviously a talkative person is always talkative, but game after game people are surprised at how many of the people they don’t notice are scum.
I felt a little bad for not posting a list there of my own, but I’m a little unsure of what to put there. I have some very surface level gut reads that I wanna look a bit more into.I’ll open up a note and try to work on it over the next few hours, though I don’t really see anyone else posting a list.
Null, the only one I have strong thoughts are Dracula as scum, Rey as town and a lean scum on you. The rest are nulls for now.Do you have any thoughts on Zombie right now Bob?
Dracula, fairly weak reason but I don't see a better candidate yet.To all the nonvoters, who are you leaning towards and why?
Who are you going to be voting then?I for one completely disagree when you say that the slip is the best thing we have. I don't think it was a slip. With that, the rest falls apart in my view. I think we should not lynch Dracula, because there is no good reason to do so. I don't really understand the opposite view to mine, the one you seem to hold, as it seems to be based on what I view as a complete falsehood.
I guess, just an edge to it that I didn’t like.
Are you still suspicious of Spider?
Make it fast because I'll need to claim if I'm close to being lynched and I'll be busy day end.Barney’s post to get his post count to 10 seemed a little like a lunch bomb to me but I’ll keep on eye on them in the future. As for the two people I am currently leaning towards I would say zombie or Bob Ross. I understand the votes for Drac since we don’t have much to go on but I think zombies and bob Ross’s posts are more sus to me with their defensiveness. I disagree with the notion that they are the “easy targets” because their posts are what set the arms off not someone else trying to push a narrative. I’ll make up my mind soon.
That took a lot of time, sorry.Show me this statistical analysis. I want proof.
Meh, doesn't tell me much, Monkey posts a lot regardless, Fanto posts a lot as well, so do Blarg and Turmoil. On the other side Malus and Aeleus always post low, LP of course as well.That took a lot of time, sorry.
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Here are the post counts of D1 from a few games in the same season (Doggy, Nightmare and Greed) with the scum highlighted and there are more scum in the lower part than the higher part. If we add them all we get 1/3 + 1/2 + 3/2 for a total of 5 in the top half and 7 in the bottom half.
This is quite a small sample, but notice how much higher the top poster is in all of these who is not scum.
Pretty much the same. You felt afraid of contributing too much, but posted as if you were following. Current activity has been better, but still quite narrowly focused so it’s hard to get an impression of how much scumhunting you’re doing and where your heart is.But explain to me why your vote is on me, the original reasoning was that I didn't contribute despite following the game.
Most of those people don’t post a huge amount day one even if they are town. It depends on how much shitposting there isThat took a lot of time, sorry.
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Here are the post counts of D1 from a few games in the same season (Doggy, Nightmare and Greed) with the scum highlighted and there are more scum in the lower part than the higher part. If we add them all we get 1/3 + 1/2 + 3/2 for a total of 5 in the top half and 7 in the bottom half.
This is quite a small sample, but notice how much higher the top poster is in all of these who is not scum.
You wanted data and I got that from three pretty randomly selected games.To add to that it's not a huge difference, 5 to 7 could be 7 to 5 in a different bunch of games easily, come on DT.
I'm not afraid of contributing, I literally didn't have time so I popped in and called out something I saw as suspect. Like I said what's the point in hyper analyzing D1 shit, how many games can you remember where D1 shitposting and reads were relevant, almost never. D1 is bus zone for scum since almost nothing matters and for town it's shots in the dark.Pretty much the same. You felt afraid of contributing too much, but posted as if you were following. Current activity has been better, but still quite narrowly focused so it’s hard to get an impression of how much scumhunting you’re doing and where your heart is.
I was more hoping for an article or a study or something.You wanted data and I got that from three pretty randomly selected games.
That’s too close to metagaming for me in a costume game since it’ll come from the outside.I was more hoping for an article or a study or something.
You behaved similar to that so I read it like that.I'm not afraid of contributing, I literally didn't have time so I popped in and called out something I saw as suspect. Like I said what's the point in hyper analyzing D1 shit, how many games can you remember where D1 shitposting and reads were relevant, almost never. D1 is bus zone for scum since almost nothing matters and for town it's shots in the dark.
This is quite a small sample, but notice how much higher the top poster is in all of these who is not scum.
Maybe bus town wasn't a great choice of words, but scum put scum in their D1 reads because it's D1.You behaved similar to that so I read it like that.
Why would D1 be bus town for scum? I read bus as in a genuine “I’m trying to get you removed” rather than “lol, random vote” and it is really really stupid for scum to do that D1.
The thing is it’s quite hard to be super active as scum compared to being town. Everything you do is fake. I think the biggest difference however is among the people who struggle being scum and can end up falling a bit off the radar and the overall low posters who put some extra attempts in as scum to avoid being a target. Both contribute to the lower section.So next time I'm scum be the person with the most posts, got it. /s
I don't know if those really show much because it doesn't take into account individual play styles and there isn't much commonality in the player base between those games. Geno is the only one who played in all three and they had the same basic post count in all of them. I understand the thinking behind this and I agree to a point, most of the time the scum are going to try to find that middle ground, but I think individual play styles make it too variable to really put a ton of stock in it.
See, you have a pattern here you can follow. If this holds true we should see some scum make odd scum reads on their partners.Maybe bus town wasn't a great choice of words, but scum put scum in their D1 reads because it's D1.
Eh, maaaaybe, it's not guaranteed they'll do it and you don't really know who it is, anyway I'll come back later.See, you have a pattern here you can follow. If this holds true we should see some scum make odd scum reads on their partners.
Would have really liked this answered.Is it bold because nobody really is entertaining this option or what makes this move bold in your opinion? Why do you think nobody is considering Witch? Why are you considering Witch / why should we consider Witch? What do you think about Witch's top three targets?
Why them?vote: Spider-Man
The talk about random numbers is boring and doesn't mean much
GotchaWould rather try to get some different people talking before day end. Not going to vote for DT even if that argument is bad because people who make content are good but there are people who are just hanging on sidelines. Lets get them talking.
agree on this[He/Him] Zombie - I’m very leery of the way Zombie has been acting. He seems to be sniping posts addressing him, rather than propagating any meaningful conversation of his own.