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this is an interesting post to comment on when TP hinted at Witch earlier and I had specifically asked him if he was the Witch, the role you're claiming nowwhy LP?
this is an interesting post to comment on when TP hinted at Witch earlier and I had specifically asked him if he was the Witch, the role you're claiming nowwhy LP?
What about my role? It might not have changed anyone else's cards, but it could - and did - change mine. At the point Faddy claimed, I hadn't claimed PI yet, so he wouldn't have known if the as-yet-unknown PI had added another anti-village role into the mix. I know it's not quite the same angle as you were going for, but it does stand to reason that Wolf!Faddy would have had to consider the possibility of an unknown team-mate.
There are two scenarios here:
I'm the witch, Malus is lying.
Malus is the witch, i'm lying.
Then there is the potential we are both lying. This would mean the witch would be in the center, along with the robber.
In this scenarios, if LP was the dream wolf, then he still is.
If i'm the witch: Tanner, robber and mystic or minion are in the center. This means that LP could still be the dream wolf, but stu would be a dream wolf, too.
if i'm the witch and Faddy is not the troublemaker: LP is the dream wolf. robber, tanner and troublemaker are in the center.
If malus is the witch: robber, dream wolf and (tanner or minion) are in the center. This means that stu would be the dream wolf.
if malus is the witch and Faddy is not the troublemaker: Faddy could be the mystic wolf, LP is the minion, and the dream wolf is in the center.
I literally said thatOr both of Tearable and Malus are lying.
thinkyface emojiHowling.
You roll wolf?
If we’re both lying, LP would still be the dream WolfOr both of Tearable and Malus are lying.
under what scenario do two scums pick the same fakeclaim?my outlook is that we assume both Malus and I are the liars.
It’s ridiculous. One of us is the witch and one of us is scum.under what scenario do two scums pick the same fakeclaim?
It’s ridiculous. One of us is the witch and one of us is scum.
But faddy said that we shouldn’t regard the witches because one of us is lying.
So I’m playing his game
you think he is more likely to be a liar than me?
This means you believe that I’m the witch
I'm trying to parse why here...
I mean Alexem's post way above pretty much states that I must be wolf.
What card number did you select from the center?
I think both of you could be liars. That's why I want to lynch LP.
Between you and Malus? Yes.
That is if we believe Faddy and I find weird that Faddy, who said that people should lie and that he created a web of lies in a previous game so noone could outmanuvre him, is not lying now. Even when he is claiming troublemaker, the best role to lie about his action's.
He also said in post #153 that he believed Malus over Tearable but then changed his mind in the post #185.
So, I'm not trusting Faddy too much right now. But I don't need try to deal with that now.
I believe that Alexem is telling the truth. And Malus Is obviously lying so LP seems like the easier choice to me. And LP not claiming is suspicious.
Not 3.
Malus smells like a minion.
how so?
When Faddy clears up his switch we know one wolf anyway since it's either Alexem or Stuart, unless we want to entertain the possibility that Faddy is a wolf or Alexem is a Tanner, but I doubt either of those possibilities.
tbh I think Faddy is more likely pulling off a sicknasty uberploy than it's likely that TP is lying
Seems like you've figured it out. Congrats town.
if TP is lying it opens up the possibility of a Tanner, but since there doesn't seem to be any Tanner in the works, it'd be a helluva lucky guess for TP to guess that a Tanner was in the middle
the rules state that Tanner and Woofs can't joint win under a solo Tanner lynch, which rules out "Woof TP fakes Witch to cover for Tanner to joint win with Tanner"
if TP is Tanner he's a really shitty Tanner
Which is why we should be avoiding the entire mess of witches, minions, tanners and just go with me telling the truth and we have Stuart as 100% wolf
yeah, which means his best course of action is to shut up and hope Malus can make a convincing case. Continuing to post doesn't do anything for Tanner!TPIf he is the Tanner there isn't a lot he could do with the way the game unfolded though. He sets up breadcrumbs to get counter claimed and throw into disarray what cards are in the middle. There is the possibility minion and mystic wolf are in the middle so there is no one else out there trying to make the game a mess.
yeah, which means his best course of action is to shut up and hope Malus can make a convincing case. Continuing to post doesn't do anything for Tanner!TP
@malus why'd you pick LP to Witch
I more or less picked randomly.yeah, which means his best course of action is to shut up and hope Malus can make a convincing case. Continuing to post doesn't do anything for Tanner!TP
@malus why'd you pick LP to Witch
Yeah, I think I’m okay with killing LP
Why? Explain why you believe Tearable over Malus?
Or why you don't believe me?
I’ve played with scum Malus a lot and this feels like a Malus Hail Mary if I’m being honest. I’m more on the fence with you, but Malus being all “We should vote Stu.” is just giving me pause about that.
How is Malus being scummy to most people
besides trying to lunch my partner
But even if Malus is scummy you need to think I am scum with him for Stuart to be the wrong choice.
Why do you think Tearable is town? I think the way he crumbed his role was pretty scummy.
So you're now saying Stuart wasn't your partner?Are you going by what Stu is saying?
Alexander has definitely realized that if Faddy isn’t the troublemaker, he’s still the wolf.To be quite frank, arguments over Witches are essentially a moot point right now. Neither Tearable nor malus have claimed to have targeted myself or Stuart, so all that matters is that Faddy moved the Wolf card that I copied from LP over to Stuart. If malus gave LP a minion card, so what? That would have been after I copied his Dream Wolf card. As for Tearable giving Fran the Tanner card, that would just mean that it's gone from the middle to Fran to the middle again.
So you're now saying Stuart wasn't your partner?
Ah, I get what you're driving at - if we don't know if Faddy's claim is true, we can't be certain if Stuart's got my card. OK, that's a fair point. As far as I'm concerned, I have no way of knowing right now who I'm aligned with, hence why I've been inclined to accept Faddy's claim. I still see no reason not to from what's come up so far, but I'll accept that the certainty on Stuart holding that copied card depends on the veracity of Faddy's claim.Alexander has definitely realized that if Faddy isn’t the troublemaker, he’s still the wolf.
Are you going by what Stu is saying?
You're right, it would. Guess where this is going?
My starting card was the Paranormal Investigator. I chose to investigate LP (gotta get some information out of him somehow) and Stuart (as I always get nervous about him being a town leader). So, two hours before the day started, what did I find? LP is the Dream Wolf and I'd just copied him.
So, finding myself with a red check that also red checked me and a safe claim that I couldn't verifiy, my plan was to come back in the morning and fake-check a couple of trusted claims. But what's this?
All being well and good, then, that means I'm the Mason and Stuart's now a woofer, with LP presumably still being the dreaming doggo. Faddy, you've just gone from a Troublemaker to a two-in-one-night cop. Congratulations!
so I am not a wolf and Alexem is your new best friend.
Witch is relevant if Faddy is lying, which is unlikely but plausible
LP is a woof/minion, one claimed witch is either woof or minion. That leaves the other woof-aligned card unaccounted for, which could be in the middle, could be turmoil or ynnek getting lucky with a fakeclaim, or could be Faddy. There's no other plausible hiding place for that card as it stands, which means there's around a 25% chance of Faddy lying - he's probably truthful, but there exists a plausible scenario in which he isn't
if the third scum card isn't in the center, someone had to get lucky with a fakeclaim. that someone could or could not be you.If you want to talk about the chances of me lying. I was the 4th or 5th person to claim (depending on how you feel about Tearable softing witch)
There were a lot of people left who could have been the real troublemaker. And 2/3rds of the centre cards had already been claimed. Robber by Chuggs/Fran claims and Tanner by Tearable. So I got super lucky if I am a wolf and not the troublemaker.
if the third scum card isn't in the center, someone had to get lucky with a fakeclaim. that someone could or could not be you.
If I checked LP, rather. You can tell I need to get to bed.If he's the Mystic Wolf, he could only have seen my role if he checked me, and even then he'd have seen me as a PI - he'd have known LP washis team-mate, but he'd have had no idea that I voted for him.
Why is Malus obviously lying? I don't understand how you can come to this conclusion? And how does that automatically mean you should believe Tearable?
ecause Tearable claimed first, he linked his action to a confirmed townie and gave his action quickly. If Tearable were lying and he claimed that he swapped the same card that I chose I couldn't be a seer now and he would have been outed. If he was lying he had a 33% chance of screwing up that claim.
Instead Malus counterclaimed Tearable, linked his action with an outed wolf, said that he saw the same card that Tearable claimed before (and that it wasn't counterclaimed) and said that the wolf is now a minion which is a role town wouldn't vote and that won't be counterclaimed. And now LP seems happy to play the minion as he is trying to get himself lynched.
So the options are:
- Trust Faddy: vote for Stuart
- Not trust Faddy: vote Alexem
- Don't care what Faddy did: vote LP
if you think there's a Tanner in play, who do you think it is?Let me knock this line of thinking. He said he gave you the Tanner card. If he is lying as wolf the real Tanner isn't going to counter claim him.
Or he is the Tanner and wanted to be counterclaimed.
Let me knock this line of thinking. He said he gave you the Tanner card. If he is lying as wolf the real Tanner isn't going to counter claim him.
Or he is the Tanner and wanted to be counterclaimed.
When Malus claimed he knew Stuart was outed as a wolf. Look at his posts. He knew his claim didn't really matter. Why even counterclaim Tearable like that. Why not counterclaim me or Alexem?
other thing that stands out to me is that Malus responded to my offhand remark about LP but not anything about TP sorting Witch, which doesn't make sense if Malus knows he's WitchBecause Tearable claimed first, he linked his action to a confirmed townie and gave his action quickly. If Tearable were lying and he claimed that he swapped the same card that I chose I couldn't be a seer now and he would have been outed. If he was lying he had a 33% chance of screwing up that claim.
Instead Malus counterclaimed Tearable, linked his action with an outed wolf, said that he saw the same card that Tearable claimed before (and that it wasn't counterclaimed) and said that the wolf is now a minion which is a role town wouldn't vote and that won't be counterclaimed. And now LP seems happy to play the minion as he is trying to get himself lynched.
So the options are:
- Trust Faddy: vote for Stuart
- Not trust Faddy: vote Alexem
- Don't care what Faddy did: vote LP
Voting LP is the easier vote. It doesn't matter if Faddy is lying or not. LP is the easier choice here.
But he took a risk claiming what card he saw. If he claimed the same card as me I couldn't be a seer now. He had a 33% chance of fucking up his claim.
His claim doesn't make sense as wolf: too risky. Doesn't make sense as minion: he is not protecting wolves or incriminating another player. Doesn't make sense as Tanner: even if counterclaimed we wouldn't vote for him as that play doesn't make sense as wolf.
Because you could be the Mystic wolf? If you are Mystic wolf Malus knows that you are lying and he will not counterclaim you because that would put you in danger and that doesn't protect LP. He also know that you never switched the targets so people voting for Stuart is a good result for him so no need to counterclaim Alexem. His best option would be to protect LP and the best bet is counterclaiming Tearable.
Malus was 10th to claim. There are 12 of us. 11 have claimed so far.
claiming PI late is hella sus even if it's realMalus was 10th to claim. There are 12 of us. 11 have claimed so far.
100% risky?Read what you are saying here. Tearable's play was too risky because he had a 1/3 chance of being counterclaimed. But Malus has 100% chance of being counterclaimed because he claimed a role that was already claimed.
@Lone_Prodigy Anything to add to the current conversation? Ya know, since the conversation is partly revolving around us.
100% risky?
You're literally telling everyone to disregard the witches.
if anything, it's helping you get what you want so it wasn't risky at all
btw can you answer my question plz? where do you think the witch role is?
Yeah I don't completely care who the witches are and what they did. And whether L_P is minion or not because I know 100% that Stuart is a wolf.
Who do I think is the witch? I'm probably 75% that it is you. But I have more than enough doubt to push for my 100% wolf in Stuart.
Faddy, if you’re telling the truth, Alexem became a wolf because of LP. You switched Stu and Alexem.
LP is still a wolf
How do you know that Stuart is 100% wolf?
Yeah I don't completely care who the witches are and what they did. And whether L_P is minion or not because I know 100% that Stuart is a wolf.
Who do I think is the witch? I'm probably 75% that it is you.
i meant to quote this in my previous post as well, as it is very relevant.Not if Malus is the witch though.
You're really confusing me.
You say you don't care about the witches yet you still consider Malus of being a witch.
You say you're 75% that i'm the witch yet you still consider Malus being the witch in the scenario you believe Stu to be a dream wolf.
This makes no sense
why would we need to trust you when we only would need to trust alexem?How does Stuart's role hinge in any way on you or malus?
You and malus are completely independent of Stuart being a wolf.
why would we need to trust you when we only would need to trust alexem?
the less people we have to go through to find the wolves, the better.
stuf is a wolf based off of alexem AND you.
it's unecessary
You are literally telling everyone to trust that Malus hexed LP.So it is whether we believe me or people choose between believing you or malus.
You are literally telling everyone to trust that Malus hexed LP.
So you are telling us to trust you AND malus.
In order to trust Faddy, we have to trust that LP was at one point the DW.
The whole “you got me figured out” is a nonchalant way of acting like he’s a tanner or minion.And it looks like LP has checked out of the game entirely based on his... very few posts already.