Probably tomorrow since if it was 24 it would've ended 30 mins ago.I’ve been out for a few hours. Do we end today or tomorrow? Please say tomorrow.
Probably tomorrow since if it was 24 it would've ended 30 mins ago.I’ve been out for a few hours. Do we end today or tomorrow? Please say tomorrow.
whew. Will be home soon and will get caught up.Probably tomorrow since if it was 24 it would've ended 30 mins ago.
I will admit I picked #1 expecting no one else to interact with the card, was hoping to reduce the number of variables.
I wouldn't say he was for sure lying. He might have read the thread first and just been riffing off that. I don't want to make assumptions there because we have VERY limited information.Nah - B-Dubs was for sure lying. He did finish as Insomniac, but he wouldn't have been informed of that since he didn't start with the role. Hopefully he shows back up and can confirm what Dr. Worm actually is now. @B-dubs set us free
Because I would want to distance my claim from a wolf's. Making the same claim is dumb. Also it would've been a risk since at the time I didn't know what role Chuggs, B-dubs and 1 more had iirc. Awful play all around.
With regard to these, I have to side with Geno. It IS awful play because it would pit minion v wolf and that's not a good scenario. One of you is good and one not-good, unless one is bad and one a tanner, that much is clear, but you are not both running team wolf. Unless - outlier chance - the whole "Geno is bad but I'm voting turmoil" is some sort of very weird longcon and it's a wolf setup to make us think Faddy is the tanner and Geno is town. If so, bravo, well played. But I think that's... a wildly outside chance.But if you are the minion you only know the wolves names. You can't co-ordinate with them at all. You still wouldn't know what roles they would claim.
I'd at least like to see if @B-dubs will choose to reveal. If he outs Dr. Worm as a wolf I'd sooner vote there. My main concern is that Faddy could just be Tanner.
@Faddy You seem to have settled on Geno being a Minion (a bad one that doesn't even want to attempt to get votes on himself). Who is the Tanner in your mind then?
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s lying because I know he can’t have started with the Insomniac role and he would not have been alerted to his role changing to it.I wouldn't say he was for sure lying. He might have read the thread first and just been riffing off that. I don't want to make assumptions there because we have VERY limited information.
With regard to these, I have to side with Geno. It IS awful play because it would pit minion v wolf and that's not a good scenario. One of you is good and one not-good, unless one is bad and one a tanner, that much is clear, but you are not both running team wolf. Unless - outlier chance - the whole "Geno is bad but I'm voting turmoil" is some sort of very weird longcon and it's a wolf setup to make us think Faddy is the tanner and Geno is town. If so, bravo, well played. But I think that's... a wildly outside chance.
seconding this
I mean, what do you expect of me here?I guess if you are going to scape goat me then there isn't much I can do.
Sorry for messing up my claim and losing the game.
More like BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE I MEAN THEY AREN’T (UNLESS SOMEONE BELIEVES ME THEN THEY COULD BE)You're missing "Fanto, Monkey, and Nat are all lying"
Really wish Dubs would say what he was when he started out, but I'm thinking Faddy is the best bet at this point. We just have to hope he's not a tanner
More like BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE I MEAN THEY AREN’T (UNLESS SOMEONE BELIEVES ME THEN THEY COULD BE)
Come on, Faddy, you knew your whole “I don’t believe it but what IF” was gonna get called out. You’re better than that.sorry for playing the game
Feels bad if you lost the game because of the swap.Am I Tanner yet
Well we win either way so Dubs can do whatever he wants.If this is a strategy, frankly it's a shitty one. It makes me more willing to vote Faddy, though, I'll say that.
Kind of makes me just want to vote Dr. Worm regardless. If B-Dubs had been Tanner I would think he'd have been more likely to show up and speak or cause more chaos (kind of like Faddy..). I just can't shake this nagging feeling that we're falling right for Faddy's trap. Maybe that's his plan though, openly wolf as an actual wolf. Ugh.If this is a strategy, frankly it's a shitty one. It makes me more willing to vote Faddy, though, I'll say that.
Kind of makes me just want to vote Dr. Worm regardless. If B-Dubs had been Tanner I would think he'd have been more likely to show up and speak or cause more chaos (kind of like Faddy..). I just can't shake this nagging feeling that we're falling right for Faddy's trap. Maybe that's his plan though, openly wolf as an actual wolf. Ugh.
@B-dubs You a chump
I'm a fan of the theory that states that a scum B-Dubs would've claimed Revealer with a red check on Faddy and therefore his Insomniac claim probably holds up
Don't ask me why I like this one better
I don't think Faddy is tricking us Nat, do you think of anything a jester Dubs could've said now that helped him win? I struggle to think of something. He's screwed.
Your theory still wouldn't hold up. If the above was the truth, then she would still not be a Wolf due to Chuggs.Look Geno (and to some extent Monkey) know that Dubs is a wolf but they continue to want to push on me.
Personally Geno I think you may be getting screwed over. I think monkey definitely robbed a bad guy. Probably Geno since she is so aggressive on me. Get the person who is completely opposed to Geno lynched and win.
This makes sense why she didn't want to reveal her role use but used it to actively discredit me, despite not knowing I had just made a mistake.
Claiming Troublemaker or Revealer seem like a better way to get himself voted out. Or like..posting at all would have helped. If he was Tanner then I don't think he would have as much incentive to stay quiet.I don't think Faddy is tricking us Nat, do you think of anything a jester Dubs could've said now that helped him win? I struggle to think of something. He's screwed.
I've had a paranoid thought that Faddy could be a Tanner here, but my god he would be doing so good I wouldn't even feel bad about it if he was lol.I guess it comes down to looking between Faddy and turmoil to see figure out which is likely to be the tanner. I have to run some errands but then I think I'll just do a whole reread.
Your theory still wouldn't hold up. If the above was the truth, then she would still not be a Wolf due to Chuggs.
Claiming Troublemaker or Revealer seem like a better way to get himself voted out. Or like..posting at all would have helped. If he was Tanner then I don't think he would have as much incentive to stay quiet.
I'm not, I think turmoil is the jester, Dubs is probably town, Apoph is the second wolf and you are the first.Why are you sure dubs is the jester?
Good morning, friends.
I've had a paranoid thought that Faddy could be a Tanner here, but my god he would be doing so good I wouldn't even feel bad about it if he was lol.
I still think my vote goes to Faddy here though, he's just throwing out desperate theories now. If he's the Tanner, shit, well done, here's your Oscar nomination, but I think he's just a Wolf.
I'm not, I think turmoil is the jester, Dubs is probably town, Apoph is the second wolf and you are the first.
Dubs was a wolf, he would have to lie about something either way.Then why did Dubs lie?
Dubs was a wolf, he would have to lie about something either way.
? My claim is not falling apart at all. Also I don't think Natiko is lying.This is Geno's claim falling apart btw. By claiming to see the minion card in the middle he is trying to cover his tracks but he no longer has enough bad guy cards to cover the number of lies in the game.
If Faddy is Jester then I blame Turmoil and Dubs for the dumb play.
It is, the way they played they basically threw the game.You know this isn't true.
lol okIf Faddy is Jester then I blame Turmoil and Dubs for the dumb play.
Lol.You better be hoping you are the minion now.
What do you think of monkey btw? She is being very evasive in the game and not really solving what seems to be a simple game.
If Monkey stole the Minion card why in the world would she do absolutely nothing to gain heat? It does her no good to disparage others when she can't be sure who is actually a Wolf.The problem for Monkey is that she doesn't know if Chuggs is a bad guy or not.
If she was sure Chuggs was actually legit then it is Fantomas who now has the minion card. But if Chuggs is just a wolf who waited to make his claim and Troubemaker is in the middle then Monkey is still on the wolf team.
My only gambit was naming Chugg early on. This day will end and B-Dubs will still be the Insomniac.So you are still believing Natiko's obvious lie. Nat you should actually clear up your gambit before the game ends.
If Monkey stole the Minion card why in the world would she do absolutely nothing to gain heat? It does her no good to disparage others when she can't be sure who is actually a Wolf.
My only gambit was naming Chugg early on. This day will end and B-Dubs will still be the Insomniac.
If Faddy is a Wolf why would he push for Turmoil to be voted out? Turmoil HAS to be either another Wolf or a Tanner in this scenario - neither of which leads to a win for Faddy. I think Faddy's just a Tanner.
So you're saying I wouldn't want to vote for you regardless, which is fine because I'm advocating we not vote you.Or you know. I'm town.
Look Geno (and to some extent Monkey) know that Dubs is a wolf but they continue to want to push on me.
Personally Geno I think you may be getting screwed over. I think monkey definitely robbed a bad guy. Probably Geno since she is so aggressive on me. Get the person who is completely opposed to Geno lynched and win.
This makes sense why she didn't want to reveal her role use but used it to actively discredit me, despite not knowing I had just made a mistake.
What is this garbage.
There is no way Dubs ever had the Insomniac card at the start of the game. Nat saw it in the middle.
You better be hoping you are the minion now.
What do you think of monkey btw? She is being very evasive in the game and not really solving what seems to be a simple game.
This is Geno's claim falling apart btw. By claiming to see the minion card in the middle he is trying to cover his tracks but he no longer has enough bad guy cards to cover the number of lies in the game.
So you are still believing Natiko's obvious lie. Nat you should actually clear up your gambit before the game ends.
I'm hesitant to push on you, except:That is if Chuggs isn't a wolf.
She has been pretty hesitant to push on me. Because she doesn't know if the switch is real.
I'm hesitant to push on you, except:
I revealed who I robbed in the middle of your first ploy because I knew you were full of shit.
keep fucking that chicken, Faddy
The easy answer for me is that Turmoil is the Tanner. He comes out right away with the "I'm the Insomniac, no change" claim. It was immediately countered, and since then he's been posting pictures of wolves. In my mind, he wanted to be countered and didn't want to defend himself at all from any accusations of him lying, but unfortunately there were bigger lies afoot.Who does everyone think the Tanner is? We seem to be settled on the same pool of suspects for wolves (excluding Faddy's theories), but we need to really weed out which we think is the Tanner.
That's a good point, Dubs and Turmoil would be an odd pairing for the wolves with their claims in mind. Dubs claiming Insomniac could have been an attempt to grant more credibility to Faddy (in a poorly executed way due to his complete ghosting).The easy answer for me is that Turmoil is the Tanner. He comes out right away with the "I'm the Insomniac, no change" claim. It was immediately countered, and since then he's been posting pictures of wolves. In my mind, he wanted to be countered and didn't want to defend himself at all from any accusations of him lying, but unfortunately there were bigger lies afoot.
Dubs is possible just because we haven't heard back from him, and his claim was obviously also bullshit. The way Faddy was trying to signal to him yesterday though really made me think those two were the original Wolves.
Faddy would be putting on a hell of a performance as the Tanner. I really think his original claim was a Wolfy claim though, he probably wanted to try pushing against the real Seer, but with the chain of me checking Monkey's role and her claiming to target you, it fell apart for him, and he was basically caught with his pants down.
The only other worlds are ones where Faddy is telling the truth, which means Geno is lying, which means the Minion could still be in play somewhere, which changes the game state a lot, but I don't see that as being anywhere near as likely as the worlds where Faddy is lying.
If it's Dubs and Turmoil for the original Wolves, then why would Dubs come and claim the same thing that Turmoil claimed? That makes no sense to me, at least claim something different than your partner.
If it's Turmoil and Faddy for original wolves, I could buy that at least, but I still vote Faddy there I think.
I keep going back to this post because there's two ways to read it. In the world that Faddy is telling the truth and it's just a weird game for him, this is a crumb. But I don't think it is. The way I read it is a fake crumb - with no reveal at start, odds are revealer is in the middle and not that a wolf actually got hit. So I think this is Faddy seeding his fake claim. Whether that's as wolf or tanner, I can't say.Or there is no Revealer....
What changed for you? I haven't finished my re-read so maybe you already posted; if so, just remind me.It's entirely possible B-Dubs will choose to not believe me, but if we guess wrong because he didn't reveal his info he'll end up losing with us. It should be pretty obvious I'm telling the truth based on how convenient it was that I fake targeted the only other person who didn't have a claim on the board and provided no reasoning at the time and didn't remotely follow up on it once it didn't get us anything spicy.
Regardless though - Faddy's strong push to try and convince B-Dubs to not reveal just tells me that Faddy and B-Dubs started as wolves and Faddy is openly howling. He has my vote at this point.
If Faddy is Jester then I blame Turmoil and Dubs for the dumb play.
I don't think Dubs is the tanner.Dubs is possible just because we haven't heard back from him, and his claim was obviously also bullshit. The way Faddy was trying to signal to him yesterday though really made me think those two were the original Wolves.
But in the midst of you accusing Natiko, which is what I was referencing. That was wrong, and I knew it because I robbed Natiko.That happened after Geno counter claimed me.
But in the midst of you accusing Natiko, which is what I was referencing. That was wrong, and I knew it because I robbed Natiko.
sure JanOr you robbed Geno and wanted to say I was scum.
Why were you on such a crusade to make sure B-Dubs knew he didn't have to say anything to Natiko's claim? Dubs comes and checks the thread, regardless of your relationship to him, and sees your post literally agreeing with my assertion that you are telling him to keep his mouth shut lol. If you're Town, why don't you want B-Dubs to tell us his real role? Whatever he says, that's good news for us regardless of whether or not Natiko was gambiting with his altered claim. It could only be beneficial to an anti-Town player to tell B-Dubs to stay quiet there.@Fantomas i'm town here. Look I don't think it is out of the question to think Turmoil and Dubs are together as wolves. Just because they made the same bad claim doesn't mean anything. Dubs is keeping quiet so why not just lolcat his role claim. we already knew he was a bad guy. It is slightly more than LP did as wolf in the last game.
I think this is a telling post.
I think Geno is frustrated with his partners basically going AFK for the whole game.
sure Jan
This is Geno's claim falling apart btw. By claiming to see the minion card in the middle he is trying to cover his tracks but he no longer has enough bad guy cards to cover the number of lies in the game.
So you are still believing Natiko's obvious lie. Nat you should actually clear up your gambit before the game ends.
All she knows is Geno was the minion, therefore she knows I am telling the truth. Getting town Faddy lynched wins her the game.
Of course you aren't going to admit it. And for me it doesn't completely matter because I don't think Geno was a wolf to start with.
Why were you on such a crusade to make sure B-Dubs knew he didn't have to say anything to Natiko's claim? Dubs comes and checks the thread, regardless of your relationship to him, and sees your post literally agreeing with my assertion that you are telling him to keep his mouth shut lol. If you're Town, why don't you want B-Dubs to tell us his real role? Whatever he says, that's good news for us regardless of whether or not Natiko was gambiting with his altered claim. It could only be beneficial to an anti-Town player to tell B-Dubs to stay quiet there.
The primary change is the feeling that Faddy is making it all too easy to vote him. I would really feel more comfortable voting Dr. Worm as B-Dubs play seems like the least likely to be a Tanner of the three in my mind. I'll admit though this could be Wolf Faddy's plan - to seem too wild and zany to be a Wolf here.I keep going back to this post because there's two ways to read it. In the world that Faddy is telling the truth and it's just a weird game for him, this is a crumb. But I don't think it is. The way I read it is a fake crumb - with no reveal at start, odds are revealer is in the middle and not that a wolf actually got hit. So I think this is Faddy seeding his fake claim. Whether that's as wolf or tanner, I can't say.
What changed for you? I haven't finished my re-read so maybe you already posted; if so, just remind me.
I swear on my mother's life there is no additional swerve coming. You'll all see that soon enough though.I don't think he would tell us his real role and I think Natiko opened up a real possibility of town getting screwed. FWIW I still think Natiko is lying and I thought it seemed obvious. He will tell us at the last minute that he gave the card to chuggs.
That is absolutely possible for Faddy and I think it's probably most likely. Faddy is good enough to open wolf like that and play the meta. But out of sheer stubborn foot-dragging-ness, just in case he's the tanner, I don't want to give him the win.The primary change is the feeling that Faddy is making it all too easy to vote him. I would really feel more comfortable voting Dr. Worm as B-Dubs play seems like the least likely to be a Tanner of the three in my mind. I'll admit though this could be Wolf Faddy's plan - to seem too wild and zany to be a Wolf here.
Yeah, if Faddy is the Tanner he's doing quite well since the other suspects are basically just ghosts and not really pushing for anyone else, so he's clearly doing a good job of making himself the obvious vote, but then the WIFOM comes into play.The primary change is the feeling that Faddy is making it all too easy to vote him. I would really feel more comfortable voting Dr. Worm as B-Dubs play seems like the least likely to be a Tanner of the three in my mind. I'll admit though this could be Wolf Faddy's plan - to seem too wild and zany to be a Wolf here.
That is absolutely possible for Faddy and I think it's probably most likely. Faddy is good enough to open wolf like that and play the meta. But out of sheer stubborn foot-dragging-ness, just in case he's the tanner, I don't want to give him the win.
turmoil is slightly more likely the tanner here is my guess, though, in line with what others have posted.
Come on man chill, no need to swear on anyone's life.I swear on my mother's life there is no additional swerve coming. You'll all see that soon enough though.
No need to chill when I know I'll be following through on the swear. No fear in my heart.Come on man chill, no need to swear on anyone's life.
Exactly what a Wolf would sayTurmoil is wolf softing Tanner, Dubs was Tanner and left to seem scummy, making me Tanner
If you're the Minion now this game state is so fucked lol Geno would be a wolf, Faddy a Tanner..? or bad village, and I guess Turmoil the other Wolf.Minion would be the easiest role for me to play here but I'm probably not that lucky
translation: "don't vote for me since I probably ended up a wolf"Turmoil is wolf softing Tanner, Dubs was Tanner and left to seem scummy, making me Tanner
is that really much more fucked than any other plausible gamestateIf you're the Minion now this game state is so fucked lol Geno would be a wolf, Faddy a Tanner..? or bad village, and I guess Turmoil the other Wolf.
Yes, B-Dubs started as a non-Village role and now Dr. Worm is stuck with it. We're mainly down to Faddy, Dr. Worm, or Turmoil with Turmoil seeming like the least likeliest to get voted out of the three.translation: "don't vote for me since I probably ended up a wolf"
Wolf softing tanner is an interesting observation, but poor ApoWorm is seeming like a likely bet due to circumstance. Not your fault, man. Except the drinking, I guess. Get help, dude!
So just to make sure I'm clear - I'm dealing with some stuff here (my dog suddenly has fleas, thanks, Indiana summer) and my reread is spotty and frequently interrupted - we have narrowed it down to Dubs starting as a meanie (hi, Kyan) but is no longer? There was a set of posts I was looking for but didn't see them but since we don't have any sort of clarification from absent Dubs I wanted to ask the room.
I think we're actually looking at a 66% chance to be right on any of our choices. Three choices, two of which are more likely than not wolves.like everything else being equal if all we're going on is "B-Dubs lied" lynching me gives town a 50/50 shot
which is okay, but not great
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at. I still think Faddy is the best bet for a Wolf lunch though. Turmoil and B-Dubs is where I see more Tanner potential, but even then, I think the connections between Faddy and Dubs are pretty strong, so that's my take for original Wolves still, meaning it's now Faddy and Worm.we have narrowed it down to Dubs starting as a meanie (hi, Kyan) but is no longer? There was a set of posts I was looking for but didn't see them but since we don't have any sort of clarification from absent Dubs I wanted to ask the room.
this post is from a wolf who, knowing that his other friendly wolf is softing tanner, faked having not seen a Minion - then, when B-Dubs appeared to be tanning, he realized that B-Dubs was the Minion, and wants to lynch me to win the gameShould we just vote Apoph then? Since Dubs isn't showing clearly on purpose.
this post is from a wolf who, knowing that his other friendly wolf is softing tanner, faked having not seen a Minion - then, when B-Dubs appeared to be tanning, he realized that B-Dubs was the Minion, and wants to lynch me to win the game
「R A W M A F I A I N S T I N C T」™
That's kind of where I'm leaning, but I know others are wanting Faddy.Should we just vote Apoph then? Since Dubs isn't showing clearly on purpose.
Lol ok wolfo.You think Geno is a wolf? Maybe. I hope B-Dubs comes in here and just outs Geno because I am tired of his nonsense this full game.
Maybe Fantomas is right and Turmoil is the tanner.
Lol ok wolfo.
Uh huhi'm cool voting for Dr. Worm.