Red Ranger
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What?
Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen
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Black Ranger
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Why that post?
Jason
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I agree with black ranger. I don’t understand that post either.
that post seems out of place for this discussion
Red Ranger
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I was responding to Finster
Black Ranger
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Red Ranger
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Fucking Alhpa 5 I mean
Black Ranger
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So it was just a sarcastic passive aggressive post then.
Red Ranger
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You got it
Skull
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Yeah, didn’t think they were scum so I didn’t justify it like that. One of them had to go though, so I picked Goldar who’s erratic playstyle would eventually get him mislynched along the way. Trini didn’t leave much of a impression to me Day 1, but she clearly worked harder than Goldar. Was an easy choice for me.your logic was based upon "how valuable are they to town?"
rather then "are they scum?"
that makes it super duper easy to "justify" your vote
but you weren't actually voting with the intent to lynch scum.
because you are scum
...
you scum.
you didn't think they were scum...
yet you thought they HAD to go?
why?
why why why why why?
Blue Ranger
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I'd say Goldar worked a lot harder not to get lynched though. What did you think of Trini's explanation about why they said they were okay being lynched?
let it be known, for the record, that skull would rather lynch one of two people he WAS NOT TOWN READING, and failed to state it as such at the time!
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that should be "was not scum reading"
i may be the best witch ever, but i am dumb
that should be "was not scum reading"
i may be the best witch ever, but i am dumb
Zordon
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I would actually agree with this
Red Ranger
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Ok, let's look at this.
So this is what top priority looks like.
But wait turns out you were finally Ok with the Goldar lynch even though it was brought up I tied it up way before.
So this is what top priority looks like.
But wait turns out you were finally Ok with the Goldar lynch even though it was brought up I tied it up way before.
Skull
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I could see scum doing that if they were being bussed, but Trini was pretty nonchalant about it, so I don’t think that’s what happened. Thinking about it now, it reminded me of some suicidal town PRs that activate with their own deaths, but again Trini was pretty chill about it.
Alpha 5
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I'm not really following what you are getting at. As I said, you weren't high on my radar or priority list during the last few hours of Day 1. I called out that vote of yours based on a quick check of the Day 1 votes I made shortly after our current day phase started.
I voted on Goldar for two basic reasons:
1) I was present at the time of the end of the vote, so leaving my vote on Finster seemed rather pointless. While I was initially nervous about making a new vote in the hectic last few minutes, it ended up being way less hectic than I expected.
2) After going over the arguments over Goldar vs. Trini, I thought that Goldar was more likely to be scum. He tried for a last-second tie, or whatever the heck he was thinking. That is a pretty strange move when he wasn't yet the vote leader. On the other hand, I felt the arguments about Trini were pretty weak. So, I thought that lynching Goldar gave the better odds of hitting scum. Improving the vote buffer to dissuade any last-second vote shenanigans was also something I saw as being in town's interests.
I have no idea why you are trying to bring yourself into my vote, since you weren't a part of thinking at the time.
White Ranger
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Oooh, thats actually a quick one I can answer right away. I actually agree with Blue Ranger in that relying on literal RNG to pick a vote is rather dodgy, given that you've relinquished responsibility for that vote so any questions about it later are simply answered by "RNG lol". Of course it didn't matter since it was a start-of-game joke vote, but the discussion that came from it did at least improve Blue Ranger's standing in my eyes.
meet the new white ranger
same as the old white ranger...?
same as the old white ranger...?
how much have you read, white ranger?
and whos your top scum right now?
and whos your top scum right now?
White Ranger
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While I have read everything so far, I've still got to do a re-read of posts 500-800 from a player's perspective.
Jason and Trini jump out to me right away, although I want to finish the re-read first before I start swinging things about.
oooh...
do i hear a loyal follower on the "lets lynch trini because she's scum" train?!
Bulk
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He listed Jason first. He's obviously with me.
Zordon
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I wonder how many more times you will reference lynching Trini without voting there today.
Red Ranger
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Trini started that my vote is scum idea yesterday. How do you feel about people following it today?
Zordon
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Does this mean you townreadTrini?
Trini
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I was fine being the lynch on D1. We have two flips and some better info now. I'm not ok being a lynch anymore.
Jason, I asked you a few questions yesterday. I didn't get through the whole thread yet but I hope you answer them. The vote never really nudged towards you, but it easily nudged itself onto me and Goldar who we now know is town.
I'm concerned about you and Red Ranger.
Alpha 5
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I have to admit, Red, that you have been aggressively defensive so far today. You have been quick to try and turn the conversation to yourself and the votes made on you at every turn. To be honest, it is raising some red flags for me (pardon the pun).
I wonder how many more times you will reference lynching Trini without voting there today.
shaddup zordon, i'll vote for who i wanna
vote:trini
don't even think your vote was the scummiest, too blatant for scum
would rather lynch trini
all the goldar votes yesterday were bad, except maybe finsters (rip my most honest and loyal minion, i will avenge you!!!!)
melonrabbit
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
trini (2 votes)
zordon - #893
rita repulsa - #936
red ranger (2 votes)
black ranger - #860
green ranger - #862
black ranger (0 votes)
rita repulsa - #857 #900
skull (0 votes)
rita repulsa - #900 #936
Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 18 black ranger: 15 zordon: 10 red ranger: 8 skull: 8 alpha 5: 6 blue ranger: 5 zack: 3 white ranger: 2 bulk: 2 jason: 2 green ranger: 2 trini: 2 billy: 1 melonrabbit: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
Day 2 Ends in:
Day Start
trini (2 votes)
zordon - #893
rita repulsa - #936
red ranger (2 votes)
black ranger - #860
green ranger - #862
black ranger (0 votes)
skull (0 votes)
Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 18 black ranger: 15 zordon: 10 red ranger: 8 skull: 8 alpha 5: 6 blue ranger: 5 zack: 3 white ranger: 2 bulk: 2 jason: 2 green ranger: 2 trini: 2 billy: 1 melonrabbit: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
Day 2 Ends in:
Jason
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Because at that point in the day, especially with my mind being elsewhere, it was already apparent that any targeted vote to a current leader would be self serving, even if my reasoning was true. I liked your reasoning for the vote so I went along with it. No lie, the fact that it was also self sastisfying was a bonus.
this was the original vote
i still believe she's scum for that. super duper scum. the worst!
but also the way the votes swung towards goldar at the end of day 1
she was in the lead
but then the votes swung towards her with her vote, blue's vote, and yellow's vote!!!
Red Ranger
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honestly day one was such a cluster fuck for me it was hard to read
you should read the votes, you silly girl
lots of poorly thought out votes that were based off questionable behavior, but nobody stopped to ask "is this really a scumtell?"
very easy pile for scum to jump into
LETS LOOK AT THEM, SHALL WE?
it's time for rita's most amazing hottakes™
black ranger jumped on early cuz of goldar's low post count. low post counts do not make a scum, and it's super shady to jump on someone who is basically at the time not here. 4/5 badness rating
red ranger didn't have a reason at all. but he made it a three way tie in second. 3/5 badness rating!
green ranger is just dumb but I kinda understand his vote. but he left the vote so 2/5 badness rating!
trini voted for survival against a town player. pretty bad 3/5 badness rating
blue voted for "vote integrity" as if that somehow MEANS something on day 1. like seriously, how is that a scum tell on it's own??? 4/5 badness rating
yellow basically didn't have a reason. didn't check to see if she specified elsewhere yet SO I'LL GET TO THAT OKAY??? same rating as red, 3/5 badness!
already mentioned skull. lol at "valuableness" and admitting he didn't think either werre town 3/5 badness rating!!!
alpha 5 created a "vote buffer", which is basically not much of a reason other than to push goldar to the lead 3/5 badness rating!
bulk basically admitted to turboing at day end because ??? and i thought i was suppose to be the evil one LOL 4/5 badness rating
look at how many people voted without any real rhyme or reason? all ya'll on the goldar vote who are town should be ashamed of ya'll for offering scum a huge hiding place!!! so silly...
I HAVE A HEADACHE JUST LOOKING AT THAT
Alpha 5
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Can you elaborate? I know day 1 was messy, but what do you mean "for me"?
Trini
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You're of course 100% correct. I'm scum and yet I pulled an "oh woe is me". My team then subsequently mind controlled Goldar to make him act strange, and my scum teammates blue and yellow immediately saved me.
Had Goldar not acted strangely I 100% would have been lynched. You can think I'm scum all you want but it makes zero sense for my scum teammates in that scenario to try to save me instead of bussing my ass.
sure, there's probably scum on that bus, but i'll look there later after i lynch you!
Trini
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I'm going to ask you to play a fun game with me. Theoretically if you lynch me today and I end up being town, who do you begin looking at?
then that means day 1 was a town vs town scenario
which means the scum vote is proooobably spread out cuz that's a dream scenario for them
so i'd probably look at the people who are flying under the radar a bit, as well as people not on the goldar/you vote
but i don't think we have to worry about that
...
after all, we got genuine dead air once YOU became the vote lead
you scum
Red Ranger
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I dunno, for me I guess
Black Ranger
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You can claim my initial vote reason was bad but I kept it on him for a reason and went hard on him cause I felt he was scummy all over, his main contributions were OMGUS posts towards me and Finster, a few unrelated posts about Mafia (I even quoted them near the end) and then the erratic behavior towards the end.
He wasn't helpful to Town at all and just felt so scummy from all of it. He wasn't even trying to help Town or much of anything. And if he had survived, I'd have been voting him right off the bad for all the previously mentioned reasons.
It was bad town play which made him seem like scum. His death is his own fault.
He wasn't helpful to Town at all and just felt so scummy from all of it. He wasn't even trying to help Town or much of anything. And if he had survived, I'd have been voting him right off the bad for all the previously mentioned reasons.
It was bad town play which made him seem like scum. His death is his own fault.
Black Ranger
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Also I'm still suspicious of this, just the way it was done rubs me the wrong way.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trini or Zack were scum just due to that whole blue ranger thing. Not a certain thing though but I suspect one of them are
If not Trini, there was probably scum on her train I'd wager.
Skull
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For a second I thought you didn’t know what dead air is as well lol.
We saw a lot of movement though, it became a Goldar x Trini lynch really late into the day, and the votes piled pretty quickly. Harder to spread the vote if the leading wagons are formed 1 hour away from Day End. I’d think scum concentrated on one of the votes.
Red Ranger
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That's fine.
Didn't you shade the people voting for the vote leader before Goldar too? Is that gonna be happen a lot?
Well that's not too farfetched actually. I put a vote on him and he starting acting strange. Not some big conspiracy.
Yellow Ranger
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What are your thoughts on Alpha 5s “vote buffer” on Goldar and the reasons he gave for it today? Especially considering the momentum had already shifted very far in Goldars direction before that point thanks to me blue and trini as you mentioned
Kimberly
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Okay, time for a rethink.
Trini, nice to see you with more fire in your belly today.
On rereading Trini's sort of "oh I give up" post in conjunction with an earlier one long before she was up for the chop (where Trini suggested that D1 lynches often end up as a sacrifice you kind of just have to get over), it seems a lot like someone who just couldn't fight the crowd and was willing to be lynched to prove they were town. It's not an attitude I particularly like but, in the harsh light of day, it kind of seems Townie.
Who do you suggest we should look at if we give you the benefit of the doubt right now (I know you've been saying Jason but I'd like to hear anyone else you're unhappy with).
Trini, nice to see you with more fire in your belly today.
On rereading Trini's sort of "oh I give up" post in conjunction with an earlier one long before she was up for the chop (where Trini suggested that D1 lynches often end up as a sacrifice you kind of just have to get over), it seems a lot like someone who just couldn't fight the crowd and was willing to be lynched to prove they were town. It's not an attitude I particularly like but, in the harsh light of day, it kind of seems Townie.
Who do you suggest we should look at if we give you the benefit of the doubt right now (I know you've been saying Jason but I'd like to hear anyone else you're unhappy with).
Kimberly
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Knowing now that Goldar was Town makes their actions seem like someone who just wanted to go down kicking and screaming. Not even remotely helpful to Town but it happens. Sigh.
I don't understand the Finster NK. Like there were people on them. Why wouldn't scum just let Town pick them apart. It seemed like there were people willing to vote there.
Surely it would have made way more sense to take out one of the more talkative players? Unless we were all so wildly off-base yesterday that scum aren't even remotely worried right now and picked someone at random
I don't understand the Finster NK. Like there were people on them. Why wouldn't scum just let Town pick them apart. It seemed like there were people willing to vote there.
Surely it would have made way more sense to take out one of the more talkative players? Unless we were all so wildly off-base yesterday that scum aren't even remotely worried right now and picked someone at random
Kimberly
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Lol, it's almost like scum looked at one of Goldar's last posts and went, "yeah, Finster. Let's go Finster."
So, people who were giving Finster side-eye at the end of day yesterday. How you feeling today?
Also my multi-quote game is poor so that last Zack post copied in Alpha 5 and Yellow.
White Ranger
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Alrighty, fully up to speed now.
I do think that there is a scum between Jason and Trini, but I don't think it'd make sense for them both to be scum. I don't feel confident picking between them right now, but I do look forward to hearing from them today now that Jason isn't so focused on layoffs and Trini made to to day 2.
Right now I reckon its safe enough to consider Zordon, Black Ranger, Pink Ranger and Rita townies given their contributions, if there is scum hiding amongst them then there should be a fair bit of evidence against them in a few days. I reckon Zack should probably fit in this group too, but I've gotten some strange vibes from him so I'll hold off for now.
I don't actually think Red Ranger's vote on Goldar is inherently scummy. There were 75 minutes left so where some people see a scummy setup, I see someone ensuring that their preferred lynch target remains relevant as the day entered its final stage.
I've seen a number of people express shock at Finster's death, but is there really that much to be gained from trying to puzzle the NK choice out? Finster clashed a fair amount with Zack last phase, but then was the Finster choice based in causing confusion? It just seems to me that there is alot of circular thinking that could arise from digging into this too deep.
If anyone has any questions for me fire away, whether or not its something I've mentioned before. Timezones may mean you have to wait some time for a response, but it will come.
I do think that there is a scum between Jason and Trini, but I don't think it'd make sense for them both to be scum. I don't feel confident picking between them right now, but I do look forward to hearing from them today now that Jason isn't so focused on layoffs and Trini made to to day 2.
Right now I reckon its safe enough to consider Zordon, Black Ranger, Pink Ranger and Rita townies given their contributions, if there is scum hiding amongst them then there should be a fair bit of evidence against them in a few days. I reckon Zack should probably fit in this group too, but I've gotten some strange vibes from him so I'll hold off for now.
I don't actually think Red Ranger's vote on Goldar is inherently scummy. There were 75 minutes left so where some people see a scummy setup, I see someone ensuring that their preferred lynch target remains relevant as the day entered its final stage.
I've seen a number of people express shock at Finster's death, but is there really that much to be gained from trying to puzzle the NK choice out? Finster clashed a fair amount with Zack last phase, but then was the Finster choice based in causing confusion? It just seems to me that there is alot of circular thinking that could arise from digging into this too deep.
If anyone has any questions for me fire away, whether or not its something I've mentioned before. Timezones may mean you have to wait some time for a response, but it will come.
Yellow Ranger
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I’m definitely surprised both by finsters flip and the fact that they flipped this soon at all. Before I started focusing on finster, I had voted for Jason and those suspicions still remain.
I’m also curious about Blue Ranger, who imo did not come out of the situation with White Ranger D1 looking as clean as he could have. It’s already been noted today as well that there’s multiple posts by him deflecting discussion to Goldar’s behavior from yesterday which has limited value to us. There are a few other posts he’s made this phase that don’t really showcase any real detective work. And blue of course falls into the group of people who shifted the vote momentum from trini to goldar- without a trini flip you can’t really say this screams guilty, but it’s still notable
I’m also curious about Blue Ranger, who imo did not come out of the situation with White Ranger D1 looking as clean as he could have. It’s already been noted today as well that there’s multiple posts by him deflecting discussion to Goldar’s behavior from yesterday which has limited value to us. There are a few other posts he’s made this phase that don’t really showcase any real detective work. And blue of course falls into the group of people who shifted the vote momentum from trini to goldar- without a trini flip you can’t really say this screams guilty, but it’s still notable
Kimberly
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Where are you getting PR from?
Billy
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I would agree with you that it does not seem that there will be scum between the three you mentioned above, who however does make your scum list instead?
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Kimberly
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Any reasons for these?
Kimberly
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Also I think I may be reading things wrong because I can see a lot more than three names in White’s post. Which three are you in agreement with White on?
Billy
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Ups, my bad. Initially i was teferring to the two players jason and trini. I agree that they most likely cannot be both scum.
the players he mentioned afterwards, zordon , black ranger i can understand but not agree. Its still not enough to say for certain what they are . For me they are null
Billy
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Their posts seemed genuine and i have a good feeling about them.
This can change of course
White Ranger
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Right now I really just have a whole lot of null reads, although Green Ranger, Bulk, Zack and Alpha 5 are all players I've singled out for deeper reads later today or next phase
Billy
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Fair. I mean in my eyes its much less insane to say that most of the players are null or scum lean.
Skull
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You felt so? I thought the votes piled quickly but them spread even quicker. Suddenly I was alone on my Jason vote.
Skull
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He wasn’t a town read player and had others looking into him. Scum doesn’t know who’s who too. Can’t see any other reason for the kill.
Kimberly
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Who are you feeling the best about? Like who’s a definite Town for you at the moment (or the closest you can get to definite on Day 2).
And when you say genuine, can you give an example?
You appear to be making a lot of vague statements at the moment so it would be good to get some more specific thoughts from you while you’re here.
Kimberly
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Anyone shift off of the Jason vote that you want to keep an eye on?
Black Ranger
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At the risk of hurting myself here, I would be careful with this line of thought. People who contribute a lot can easily be scum trying to be town read. Let's hope there is a fair bit of evidence if one is scum within a few days/
But it's something to mull over I'd say.
Skull
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Yellow and Pink are the ones that shifted, and I’m town reading both of them, so it kinda sucks for me to analyze them.
Yellow vote seems similar to mine, and Pink explained themselves well at the time, maybe even too much actually.
Trini changed for self preservation, so that’s harder to read into.
Zordon
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Glad you pointed this out. I was just thinking that Billy’s posts were just a lot of halfhearted stabs at making semireads. There’s no content attached and none are strong. She can come back tomorrow and say the opposite at this rate.
Zordon
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If you’re on the level it won’t hurt you.
Pink Ranger
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Hi. I'm hungover.
I think Goldar was an easy mislynch, like typical meta. Bad opening, low activity = day 1 lynch. I should have fought harder for Trini but then I didn't want to stick my next out for Goldar because I had no real to feel like he was town.
Finster dying is something. I do wonder why someone outside the vote and read as town didn't die instead. I think we need to talk about numbers of mafia and how they split their vote.
I think Goldar was an easy mislynch, like typical meta. Bad opening, low activity = day 1 lynch. I should have fought harder for Trini but then I didn't want to stick my next out for Goldar because I had no real to feel like he was town.
Finster dying is something. I do wonder why someone outside the vote and read as town didn't die instead. I think we need to talk about numbers of mafia and how they split their vote.
Kimberly
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I appreciate that Billy said there were real life things keeping them from posting but the posts when they are here are pretty flimsy. Agreeing with people but not really going into detail as to why. Could be a busy townie or could be coasting scum
Black Ranger
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We'll see. Something to keep an eye on throughout the rest of the day (and subsequent days if they survive today)
Skull
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I think all lynch candidates yesterday were easy votes actually, which is to be expected due to the costumes affecting our confidence in our reads. Even so, I find it hard to believe we didn’t get some good votes into scum.
Trini
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So this might be my own tunnel vision, but Red Ranger really does not sit right with me. He voted Goldar well before Goldar was even close to being lynched. I called him out as placing a coward's vote. And then lo and behold some more Goldar votes came out of the aether to make him a suitable lynch candidate, and my case against Red Ranger being scum suddenly vanished. It just seems too coincidental, but this narrative kind of falls apart a bit because Goldar acting weird put the gears into overdrive in dragging votes towards him and we know Goldar was acting as town.
Finister being killed is interesting. I'd have expected Rita or Zordon to be killed seeing as they were the more active. Either scum's waiting, or maybe we need to look at Rita or Zordon. For what it's worth I don't think Rita is scum at the moment. So maybe Zordon.
Pink Ranger
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What I am saying is that goldar is such a typical lynch I think at least half the mafia wasn't on the vote. UNLESS the really late voters are mafia OR Trini is mafia.
Kimberly
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If you look outside of Trini (out of fear for a tunnel), who else is catching your eye?
Okay, how do you think they are split?
Trini
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20 player game. I'll assume 4 scum?
Scum tend to split votes. So lets assume one scum voted for me, one scum voted for goldar. We have two scum votes then somewhere within blue ranger, finister, and jason.
Finister was killed during the night. But I don't think that means much for the two who voted for him.
One line of thinking I have is: Blue Ranger and Jason as scum?
Pink Ranger
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My dumb gut read that is backed up with nothing is Bulk. I just don't like their tone. IDK
Skull
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You don’t think they could’ve started the wagon to clear someone else? My Jason read might be coloring my perception, but that’s what I’ve been considering.
Pink Ranger
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Certainly a good chance the vote was manufactured to be between two towns. And that would clear Trini and make us look elsewhere.
Who's votes made it clar it was going to be one of those 2?
Pink Ranger
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Fuck. It was me who was first to unvote on Jason.
But red, green and trini are the ones who made it a 2 person race. Trini is understandable since she was the alternative. So red or green are probably the top suspects from vote logic if Trini is town.
Trini
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green ranger - #765
That pushed Goldar to 4 which then made him a perfectly viable lynch, especially once I switched my vote off Jason.
The thing is though, Finister was also at 3 votes. Green Ranger/scum could easily have just voted Finister and then it would've been the same result as far as town vs town.
So either you assume I'm scum and they pushed Goldar to try and protect me after fucking up, or if I'm town then scum already had a town v town v town situation brewing.
Trini
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I don't think it makes sense for Green to be scum if I'm town. He could have easily voted Finister to force a town v town lynch. And he voted well before Goldar started acting weird.
I mean he could be scum, but that vote isn't the evidence for that.
Green Ranger
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I voted after Goldar did his weird vote stuff. That was what pushed me towards him in the first place.
Trini
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Tin foil hat time: Maybe that's why Finister was killed, to make it seem less strange that Green voted for Goldar. And Green voted Goldar to either protect Red (who I called out for placing a coward vote), or to protect Jason (who also could be scum and could've become a lynch candidate had one more vote been placed on him).
Vote: Jason
If Jason ends up flipping scum that would be quite revealing I think.
Vote: Jason
If Jason ends up flipping scum that would be quite revealing I think.
Pink Ranger
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I think looking at justification for votes is a good idea. Mafia can just vote for anyone but they need to actually explain with some sort of coherence. Then the possibility that Goldar was just an easier lynch than Finster.