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Illuminati member 3

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Even if it ain't IM4, still think we should get someone today. Bit disappointed about the first reaction to Ephi hunting being resignment, but yeah. I fault none of you for that, is hard, can accurately pursue tomorrow. Saw some folks excluding their partners as Ephi, shouldn't award too many town points for those, but I take anything that tries to keep the overall morale up.
 
Goldar

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MAYBE NEXT TIME GOLDAR WILL WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND BE A PEDANTIC PRICK ABOUT THINGS, MAYBE THEN GOLDAR WILL BLEND RIGHT IN
 
Goldar

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OH LOOK AT GOLDAR, HE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE BY IDENTIFYING THIER MAJOR DISADVANTAGES, GOLDAR IS SO FUCKING SMART
 
Illuminati Member 5

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I've finally caught up! And I have a partner!

So some thoughts:
I think Ephi hunting is a futile task today. The chance of miselimination seems too high to me for that to be the best possibility.
The whole time stone arc seems super towny, but I'm also terrible at identifying people behind costume accounts, so maybe that was already known?
One thing that really jumped out to me was this post:
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Won't vote:
Blue Ranger+ San Franpsycho - Feel good about BR, ok at SF
Zordon+ Catalina =Neutral claim
Rita Repulsa+ Pazzo Ghost Clown-fun nuke times
Illuminati Member 2+ Michael: Say somethin michael
Illuminati Member 3+ Baba Yaga - Feel good about IM3
Illuminati Member 5+ Barack Obama - Feel good about IM5
Tommy V+ Rey + Illuminati Member 4- Flippin 3 seems excessive.
Thresh+ Spider-man- We all know
Bob Ross+ Lightning Strikes- Lightnight proved useful
Minecraft Steve+ Yami Bakura -MS is cool

Might vote

Pink Ranger+ Carl -Feel iffy about PR, I can't recall anything about Carl.
Goldar+ Honey: Goldar felt like they saw Zordon and wanted go ape it, honey bounced
Black Ranger+ Captain Picard -I can kinda excuse this as Captain was away, but Black Ranger has been ok but not enough?
Claude+ Ghost of Stealin Stan - I still dislike Claude's vote on me
Kool Aid Man+ Barney - Barney hasn't really done much except really enjoy the poker game. Kool aid has not been that kool.
Q+ Cinderella -Cinderella joked about the nuke and Q has been around, I guess?

I'll put my vote... On the KAM-Barney pair.
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They feel good about me when I have literally 3 posts in the thread, none of which relate to the game? Could this be someone who has a connection to Barack Obama and don't want them eliminated as collateral damage? Unless they know my real identity (which I guess wouldn't be too hard to figure out) and Town read that.
 
Illuminati member 4

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Blue Ranger said:
If my choice is to unilaterally ignore you for reasons that have nothing to do with you - would you respond well? If I said “shit I don’t like this player that’s nsme starts with V - guess I should ignore all player’s that start with V” how would you feel as the non-instigator? You’re being oddly combative. How about this - why should I think you’re town? Sell me.
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Blue, I just didn't want to go back to the chat. We have a whole main thread for you to town or scum read me. Me not wanting to be in there isn't a knock against you and you should know that. I can't think of any one thing to tell you I'm town other than to use your discretion.

I'm not ignoring you, that today happened to be a costume game is an unfortunate coincidence. I'm not sure what the point of this argument is other than for me to say I was wrong and I should have stayed in the thread to prove I was town but I don't think that. I simply don't want to. I found myself getting confused, then frustrated, then progressively more angry and I didn't like how it made me feel. They might not have meant it like that, but having to hear every other post about how there might be scum in here *wink, wink or how I should be flipped to make sure isn't fun for me.

I just didn't see why I should stay there.
 
Catalina

Catalina

Can't find a pair I wanna vote today. Individuals I would toss sure. Pairs I would decimate no.

Still team no vote. Let's mulligan this frustrating modifier.
 
Black Ranger

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Illuminati member 3 said:
Sorry for slowness, had to read things through and through again, fearing that I get the MODGUN. Also, at work lol, replies will be sporadic at best. I am unable to pinpoint crumbs and jokes and references from the main thread for obvious reasons, I apologize for any unclear references and missing things. Also writing this kind of off the top of my head so who knows if the timeline is 100% correct. Was that enough disclaimers? Oh - a wall of text. Sowwy.

I am a neighborizer, during day I can invite people to a chat that is open during day and night. D1 Vere, D2 Natiko. Both successful. In addition, the chat has been infiltrated by a third person, which is unrelated to my role. They claim to have used their own role to do so. I somewhat town read this person before the infiltration and have continued to do so after it. I don't think it is necessarily my place to speak of the roles of others (IM4 alluded to the infiltration so I want to clear that bit), but if there is a pressing need to do so, do let me know. We are currently in the chat in our costumes.

For the sake of full disclosure and perhaps not to my benefit, I will mention that the chat has jokey references to it being a cult chat. Both in the chat title and in my PM. I am town and I have no reason to believe otherwise. I have not been converted nor have I converted any of the people in the chat. I have not received my item and I am afraid what happens when I receive my item. Please no conversion. This role is apparently based on a similar town neighbourhood from a past game, in which there were jokey cult references as well, but the chat was very much a town chat. Being a Geno game, if this ever starts to feel worrying to you, kill me.

Vere's invitation related to how I was playing on D1. I didn't mind such a random invite, because chats like this can be used as deduction tools as much as town hugboxes. You know, get a person in and see what comes of it. Doesn't matter who it is, as long as they can talk, which Vere can. This being a Geno game, I had little faith that I could create a town hugbox of reasonable certainty with a million different alignments flying around. Honestly, being where I am now? Should've gone for the by-the-book boring approach of fostering a town core of BIG TOWN PEOPLE, but I just wasn't feeling that, wanted to go with the flow. I am not a great leader or a discussion starter anyway.

As a part of trying to establish some trust with Vere, I wanted to use my action on him. The idea of a hidden chat where cool night actions and day moves were planned sounded fun and if he can receive what I was sending out, it'd serve as a great starting point for both the chat and the next day. I asked if he was going to move during night (see next paragraph for why), he said he was not. Good, I thought, and went with it. Fun things are fun, going all hardcore all day every day gets painful real fast.

I've only alluded to my second action publicly and never have fully explained it in detail in any of the threads. I am also a Caroler, I target a person and they receive a list of three names. I do not know the names. One of these names is not town. The target does not receive the list if they move during night. N1 Vere, N2 wee. wee was picked because she was publicly blocked D2. Both apparently failures, since they claim to have received nothing. My shot count has decreased on both nights, though it is not unthinkable to reduce shots even when an action gets blocked. The failed N1 action made me consider the possibility that I sent the list to scum who just chose to withhold it and say nothing. It is a list of three names, it is not that difficult to assume what it could represent. The response of silence is the easy and safe action to take in that case. The failed action does not mean that Vere is scum, of course, and there certainly are many other possible reasons for the failed action - both t and anti-t. I claim no smoking gun, only a possibility to consider. If some townie messed with me, do come clean.

I eventually, during early-mid D2 I believe, read through Vere's posts since he was a topic both during late D1 and early D2. Felt like I should do my due dilligence and should get to know my chat partner so I could figure out if I could trust them, moreso with the three names having disappeared into the void. Read Vere versus Chuggs and Vere versus Fran, and from both I felt Vere came out looking moderately off. Furthermore, his cautiousness in the chat, while not uncharacteristic to him, left me feeling that there was a chance that he is being a bit too reserved.

Time went on and things happened. After a while I told Vere that I thought that there was a chance that he was not town. He considered this a betrayal of sorts and seemed distressed by it. Vere did not want to have much to do with the following discussion. He engaged with my points a little and then chose to leave the thread, so far to not return. I am not certain what to make of this reaction. Like I said to Vere in the chat, I want to solve him. The paranoid, silly me is not helped by getting left alone with all these thoughts of suspicion in my head.

To come back to IM4's more recent posts, I don't think a single post to identify oneself as a costume is unreasonable to expect, especially if there is some chance that he'd consider at least some of the chatters town. One of the points of this modifier was to solve the people behind the costumes and to not use the simplest tool available just feels odd. If you don't want to have anything to do with the chat, it is ok. Open chat, post a single letter, nothing more. Would've showed that you were still alive at least.

The comment that I hopped on Vere constantly in our chat is an exaggeration in my opinion. The scuffle where I stated that I suspected Vere was just 17 posts, made by three people (me, Vere, infiltrator). Many of those posts were mine (8?), in which I explained why I felt the way I did and how I wanted to talk about it. It was a discussion that really only just got started, since Vere left before it went beyond that. The chat before in my opinion was between neutral and slightly positive, ranging from healthy caution to some jokes, reads, and comments about recent events in the main thread.

If Vere feels that I've been unjust in my treatment of him, I apologize. I have meant no ill will and have tried to be as courteous as possible. I greatly dislike the mocking idiot call few posts above - it is just utterly uncalled for. I believe it is only natural to be somewhat suspicious of everyone. If he found my sudden turn, which in my head was not sudden because the starting point of it all in my mind was close to zero, I wished to talk about it. Still do. I won't claim perfect actions and this all again shows that hardcore nonsense might be the way to go all day every day, because otherwise silly gets used against you. Argumentatively and action-wise. And really, it should, it really should. I do not fault him for that, I am far from the easiest person to read, as I've learned over time.

Overall, I think IM4 could be scum. I am not convinced by any means, but there is a fair bit more there than there is with many others. Especially on a day like this when people seem to hesitate to even go for a vote. I hope this has cleared my frame of reference to everyone and at least somewhat explains some things that I've done.
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Holy wall of text batman.
 
TommyV

TommyV

I don't see Ilu 4 as the kind of person to lie about mental health and therefore won't scum read them for it. Any alignment can get worn down by constant snark.

I still don't know who you are goldar so take joy from that.
 
Black Ranger

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Illuminati member 3 said:
My chat also has a fourth uninvited person in it, an infiltrator. This is unrelated to my role and they claim to have gotten there thanks to their own role.
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Were you notified the infiltrator infiltrated or did they just appear?

Illuminati member 3 said:
One of these names is not town. The target does not receive the list if they move during night. N1 Vere, N2 wee. wee was picked because she was publicly blocked D2. Both apparently failures, since they claim to have received nothing. My shot count has decreased on both nights, though it is not unthinkable to reduce shots even when an action gets blocked. The failed N1 action made me consider the possibility that I sent the list to scum who just chose to withhold it and say nothing. It is a list of three names, it is not that difficult to assume what it could represent. The response of silence is the easy and safe action to take in that case. The failed action does not mean that Vere is scum, of course, and there certainly are many other possible reasons for the failed action - both t and anti-t. I claim no smoking gun, only a possibility to consider.
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The wee failure is more interesting because she should have been unable to move but the lengthy explanation for how it is not a smoking gun because 3 could have been interfered with is fair.
Did you consider mentioning the failures when Steve was deciding on check targets?
 
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Black Ranger said:
Were you notified the infiltrator infiltrated or did they just appear?


The wee failure is more interesting because she should have been unable to move but the lengthy explanation for how it is not a smoking gun because 3 could have been interfered with is fair.
Did you consider mentioning the failures when Steve was deciding on check targets?
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No notification, the infiltrator just appeared. They were rather happy and eager to explain what had happened.

I was asleep during Steve's thing. Had I been there, I believe I would have mentioned the fact that I might have been manipulated last night.
 
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Black Ranger said:
All illuminati look the same.
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Rita Repulsa

Rita Repulsa

I'm not scumreading Il4 for dropping from a chat. I think that it's fair that he didn't wanted to take part anymore if he was uncomfortable in it.

Il4, you claimed having an ITA shot today. Do you have to use the command in the main thread or by PM?
 
Black Ranger

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Illuminati Member 5 said:
I've finally caught up! And I have a partner!

So some thoughts:
I think Ephi hunting is a futile task today. The chance of miselimination seems too high to me for that to be the best possibility.
The whole time stone arc seems super towny, but I'm also terrible at identifying people behind costume accounts, so maybe that was already known?
One thing that really jumped out to me was this post:

They feel good about me when I have literally 3 posts in the thread, none of which relate to the game? Could this be someone who has a connection to Barack Obama and don't want them eliminated as collateral damage? Unless they know my real identity (which I guess wouldn't be too hard to figure out) and Town read that.
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That's potentially interesting. I don't see how anyone could Id you based on what you posted.

Has your new partner chatted to you to give you any thoughts there?

My report on my mine is that they were friendly in chat, apologized for leaving me on my own all day, posted some smileys, said their favourite power rangers is turbo, and then went away again. Which is to say I've got nothing.
 
Geno

Geno

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

No vote (7 votes)
Rey - #1,289
Catalina - #1,305
Lightning Strikes - #1,306
Pazzo the Ghost Clown - #1,323
Illuminati Member 4 - #1,330
Claude - #1,380
Bob Ross - #1,583

Honey (2 votes)
Minecraft Steve - #598 #804
Minecraft Steve - #1,163
Thresh - #1,765

Yami Bakura (1 votes)
San Franpsycho - #317 #647
Lightning Strikes - #319 #1,306
Captain Skunkbeard - #321
Illuminati Member 2 - #322 #483

Illuminati Member 2 (1 votes)
Zordon - #490 #669
Thresh - #495 #980
Claude - #564 #1,254
Baba Yaga - #601 #1,307
Catalina - #614 #1,128
San Franpsycho - #659

Illuminati Member 4 (1 votes)
Illuminati Member 3 - #1,766

Illuminati Member 5 (1 votes)
Baba Yaga - #1,313

Pink Ranger (1 votes)
TommyV - #1,748

Claude (1 votes)
Illuminati Member 2 - #581
San Franpsycho - #647 #659

Catalina (0 votes)
Pazzo the Ghost Clown - #452 #504
Yami Bakura - #455 #961
Illuminati Member 2 - #483 #553

Captain Skunkbeard (0 votes)
Baba Yaga - #316 #601

Barack Obama (0 votes)
Baba Yaga - #127 #316

Thresh (0 votes)
Spider-Man - #995 #1,378

Spider-Man (0 votes)
Thresh - #980 #1,378
Illuminati Member 4 - #985 #1,330
Minecraft Steve - #1,021 #1,163

Not voting: Cinderella, Rita Repulsa, Illuminati Member 5, Blue Ranger, The Ghost of Stealin Stan, Pink Ranger, Honey, Goldar, Barack Obama, Captain Picard, Yami Bakura, Zordon, Kool-Aid Man, Carl, Black Ranger, Barney, Niko, Q, Michael

Post Counts:
Illuminati Member 2: 278 Minecraft Steve: 220 Thresh: 153 San Franpsycho: 135 Illuminati Member 4: 108 Catalina: 107 Lightning Strikes: 92 Zordon: 89 Illuminati Member 3: 76 Claude: 76 Yami Bakura: 73 Pink Ranger: 71 Black Ranger: 62 Baba Yaga: 60 Rey: 60 Pazzo the Ghost Clown: 54 Bob Ross: 52 Captain Skunkbeard: 51 Spider-Man: 40 Barney: 39 Cinderella: 38 Goldar: 37 Blue Ranger: 35 Rita Repulsa: 33 The Ghost of Stealin Stan: 31 Carl: 18 Q: 13 Kool-Aid Man: 10 Niko: 10 Honey: 7 Illuminati Member 5: 6 Captain Picard: 6 TommyV: 4 Barack Obama: 3 Michael: 2


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Geno

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Rita Repulsa said:
I'm not scumreading Il4 for dropping from a chat. I think that it's fair that he didn't wanted to take part anymore if he was uncomfortable in it.

Il4, you claimed having an ITA shot today. Do you have to use the command in the main thread or by PM?
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Heads up your vote didn't with because the Vote: part was missing.
 
Illuminati Member 5

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Black Ranger said:
That's potentially interesting. I don't see how anyone could Id you based on what you posted.

Has your new partner chatted to you to give you any thoughts there?

My report on my mine is that they were friendly in chat, apologized for leaving me on my own all day, posted some smileys, said their favourite power rangers is turbo, and then went away again. Which is to say I've got nothing.
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They said hello, but nothing else since.
 
Goldar

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GOLDAR HAS GOTTEN FAR TOO LITTLE SLEEP RECENTLY AND SO WILL ACT SOON.

DOUBLE: NO VOTE

GET OUT OF MY PUB: ZORDON
 
Illuminati Member 5

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So far the only player I'd consider voting is Il2, for the reason stated above. I'd like to hear more from their partner first though.
Other than that I'm inclined to agree with a no vote to not make an unforced error.
 
Q

Q

Kinda caught up, but jesus. I've sustained myself with TLDRs for too long and now I have no insights to share with the thread. I'm helping!

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Claude

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Illuminati member 4 said:
I mean, think about this. The first thing the chat creator asked me on recruit N1 was if I was going to move that night for a 'thing' they were going to do. Completely beneficial they said. Weird but I obliged since I wanted to trust they were town and I wasn't going to be moving that night. Night passes and nothing happens. I ask them and they tell me maybe someone rbed or switched or...etc. Never talks about it again. I smooth it out to make a possible town core. D2 comes around and their entire attitude changes. They're on my dick constantly. Why? Because they found me scummy. Between N1 and D2 what changed? They apparently read my posts.

Early D2 the infiltrator comes into the chat. Weird, but fine...could be town, could be neutral, could be scum. Neutral on that role. I hadn't been town reading at all at that point so I felt a bit uncomfortable. Gradually joins chat creator to hop on me constantly.

Does that sound like a great chat to you?
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i know im3 mentioned recruiting natiko on d2 but i can't help to think about "asked me on recruit n1' with the alignment change announcement happening after that night. granted we did not get a second notification of that when natiko was apparently recruited but that and im3 bringing up that its labeled as a cult chat makes me wonder a bit.
 
Q

Q

Illuminati Member 5 said:
So far the only player I'd consider voting is Il2, for the reason stated above. I'd like to hear more from their partner first though.
Other than that I'm inclined to agree with a no vote to not make an unforced error.
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I like this idea of working backwards for this phase - I don't think I have enough of a read on any of the costume'd pairs to actually put a vote down right now, but Illum 2 felt weirdly combative and that could be something. I remember that Illum 3 had some weird posts back at day start as well, but that humongous claim reeks of town.
 
Catalina

Catalina

I never trusted Wee's cop claim. Has she produced proof she's a cop at any point?

It seems like such a bold claim for scum but this is a wierd game.

Wouldn't be shocked if she was a scum ability cop or something.
 
Geno

Geno

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

No vote (13 votes)
Rey - #1,289
Catalina - #1,305
Lightning Strikes - #1,306
Pazzo the Ghost Clown - #1,323
Illuminati Member 4 - #1,330
Claude - #1,380
Bob Ross - #1,583
Goldar - #1,835 (Double)
Rita Repulsa - #1,836
The Ghost of Stealin Stan - #1,837
Black Ranger - #1,841
Q - #1,843

Honey (2 votes)
Minecraft Steve - #598 #804
Minecraft Steve - #1,163
Thresh - #1,765

Yami Bakura (1 votes)
San Franpsycho - #317 #647
Lightning Strikes - #319 #1,306
Captain Skunkbeard - #321
Illuminati Member 2 - #322 #483

Illuminati Member 2 (1 votes)
Zordon - #490 #669
Thresh - #495 #980
Claude - #564 #1,254
Baba Yaga - #601 #1,307
Catalina - #614 #1,128
San Franpsycho - #659

Illuminati Member 4 (1 votes)
Illuminati Member 3 - #1,766

Illuminati Member 5 (1 votes)
Baba Yaga - #1,313

Pink Ranger (1 votes)
TommyV - #1,748

Claude (1 votes)
Illuminati Member 2 - #581
San Franpsycho - #647 #659

Catalina (0 votes)
Pazzo the Ghost Clown - #452 #504
Yami Bakura - #455 #961
Illuminati Member 2 - #483 #553

Captain Skunkbeard (0 votes)
Baba Yaga - #316 #601

Barack Obama (0 votes)
Baba Yaga - #127 #316

Thresh (0 votes)
Spider-Man - #995 #1,378

Spider-Man (0 votes)
Thresh - #980 #1,378
Illuminati Member 4 - #985 #1,330
Minecraft Steve - #1,021 #1,163

Not voting: Cinderella, Illuminati Member 5, Blue Ranger, Pink Ranger, Honey, Barack Obama, Captain Picard, Yami Bakura, Zordon, Kool-Aid Man, Carl, Barney, Niko, Michael

Post Counts:
Illuminati Member 2: 278 Minecraft Steve: 220 Thresh: 156 San Franpsycho: 135 Catalina: 110 Illuminati Member 4: 109 Lightning Strikes: 92 Zordon: 89 Claude: 79 Illuminati Member 3: 76 Yami Bakura: 73 Pink Ranger: 71 Black Ranger: 63 Baba Yaga: 60 Rey: 60 Pazzo the Ghost Clown: 54 Bob Ross: 52 Captain Skunkbeard: 51 Spider-Man: 40 Barney: 39 Cinderella: 38 Goldar: 38 Blue Ranger: 36 Rita Repulsa: 34 The Ghost of Stealin Stan: 32 Carl: 18 Q: 16 Kool-Aid Man: 10 Niko: 10 Illuminati Member 5: 8 Honey: 7 Captain Picard: 6 TommyV: 4 Barack Obama: 3 Michael: 2


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Catalina

Catalina

Rita Repulsa said:
Thanks. That feels more towny than scummy. It seems kind of unfair to give scum a public shot (unless this was from an Item but if I understand this right this is part of Il4 role). Maybe it's less unfair with multiball but I still think it's a bad role to give to scum.
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How is scum having a 50% ita unfair?

Scum can straight up be day vigs
 
Claude

Claude

wee was supposedly roleblocked on n2 right? i'm not making that up? i'm trying to go back through the thread on d2 and struggling to find where that was stated.
 
Illuminati member 4

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Illuminati member 3 said:
Why is there a reason to go into name calling from the get-go? I've tried to be polite and understanding.

There is no need for stuff like that. Honestly, it just feels toxic and ruins any fun in this game.
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Just wanted to say sorry for what I said last night. I was frustrated but that's not an excuse and I shouldn't have said that.
 
Minecraft Steve

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Okay I'm not voting Goldar out now that I know who they are. I'd like to pressure Honey but there seems to be no possible pressure there because chances are Goldar does not get voted out. It seems to me that Honey is just going to eat the warning for only posting 7 times which is bad sportsmanship imo but nothing we can really do about that.

Vote: No Vote

I forgot I have a doctor's appointment today so I'm gonna be MIA for a few hours this morning. I'll be around for the rest of the day, including EoD.
 
Minecraft Steve

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Rita Repulsa

Rita Repulsa

Catalina said:
@Rita Repulsa

Like day Vig is a common role and usually town read. Scum having daytime killing role is super balanced from both sides
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But the thing is that it's public. A day kill by PM is way more scummy than a day kill in the main thread because it leaves them exposed. If Il4 uses his day kill on someone who is townreaded they could get a lot of heat on them, so it forces them to kill someone who is more scumreaded.
 
Minecraft Steve

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I still strongly believe member 4 to be town. I don't think their behaviour was maybe the most helpful but it was very human and they don't seem to be the kind of person to fake mental health stuff for a small advantage in a game.
 
Claude

Claude

Illuminati member 3 said:
I've only alluded to my second action publicly and never have fully explained it in detail in any of the threads. I am also a Caroler, I target a person and they receive a list of three names. I do not know the names. One of these names is not town. The target does not receive the list if they move during night. N1 Vere, N2 wee. wee was picked because she was publicly blocked D2. Both apparently failures, since they claim to have received nothing. My shot count has decreased on both nights, though it is not unthinkable to reduce shots even when an action gets blocked. The failed N1 action made me consider the possibility that I sent the list to scum who just chose to withhold it and say nothing. It is a list of three names, it is not that difficult to assume what it could represent. The response of silence is the easy and safe action to take in that case. The failed action does not mean that Vere is scum, of course, and there certainly are many other possible reasons for the failed action - both t and anti-t. I claim no smoking gun, only a possibility to consider. If some townie messed with me, do come clean.
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so here is the claim that im3 targeted wee. wee was mod announced roleblock not self announced so there isn't a wriggle room you can say that wee lied about being roleblocked. something is not adding up here.
 
Minecraft Steve

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Claude said:
thank you, i could swear they were but i was struggling finding in the thread where it was announced. so then either im3 lied or something happened with wee?
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Claude said:
so here is the claim that im3 targeted wee. wee was mod announced roleblock not self announced so there isn't a wriggle room you can say that wee lied about being roleblocked. something is not adding up here.
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Yeah something is not adding up for sure. They could possibly both be town still, like if wee is ascetic (actions other than kills don't resolve) for example. I don't believe modifiers like that are stopped when roleblocked.
 
Thresh

Thresh

Wee being ascetic is the one way this works yes but I also scum read wee more so I’m fine testing that in a future day
 
Claude

Claude

Minecraft Steve said:
Yeah something is not adding up for sure. They could possibly both be town still, like if wee is ascetic (actions other than kills don't resolve) for example. I don't believe modifiers like that are stopped when roleblocked.
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there are some potential mechanical explanations (i.e. switches or redirects) but that's a big deep rabbit hole to go down with potentially no exit in a game like this.

i do feel like we have some avenues to attack tomorrow. we have ephi to look at, we have wee to look at, we have im3 if anyone has any guesses there (i do not but i guess the chat partners can make that clear later) so despite this phase being a little chaotic we have some leads i think.
 
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Illuminati member 4 said:
Just wanted to say sorry for what I said last night. I was frustrated but that's not an excuse and I shouldn't have said that.
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Is fine, these things happen. What harm was done will be forgotten. A truce and a start on new ground.

UNVOTE

I do not fully understand the reaction, but I don't have to. It feels real. I cannot see it being this consistent if it was not truly felt.

I believe I was wrong.
 
Catalina

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Rita Repulsa said:
But the thing is that it's public. A day kill by PM is way more scummy than a day kill in the main thread because it leaves them exposed. If Il4 uses his day kill on someone who is townreaded they could get a lot of heat on them, so it forces them to kill someone who is more scumreaded.
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Most day vigs are in thread I thought. It's perfectly balanced for scum to have take the shot publicly because it gives them town cred.
 
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Thresh said:
Wee said she was roleblocked, IM3 still lost their shot but wee didn’t produce a list, she moved through her roleblock or IM3 didn’t target her
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I will say I do not have an answer for that one. I believe the details Wee has shared with me, but none of them explain this specific interaction.
 
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Fwiw, the in thread ITA/day vig is NAI, scum can have that power and it just forces them to not be allowed to shoot an obvious town read so they have to be more clever to kill town
 
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I'm feeling bit better, but still down.
Thresh said:
Fwiw, the in thread ITA/day vig is NAI, scum can have that power and it just forces them to not be allowed to shoot an obvious town read so they have to be more clever to kill town
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One way to circumvent this is to let you decide who the target is. Or make it so that they have to shoot the vote leader of D4.
 
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Let's not forget poor town monkey being shot by scum Zeke in thread hours into start of day 1
 
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Bob Ross said:
I'm feeling bit better, but still down.


One way to circumvent this is to let you decide who the target is. Or make it so that they have to shoot the vote leader of D4.
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And then we have no way of reading the shooter because they give up responsibility, it’s the same convo we had all day yesterday
 
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No voting is suspect as hell.

Look at the number of no voters and know that there are mafia votes there. From ECs flip we know there are two teams who probably don't know each other.

they are scared of voting out other mafia. they want the no vote. It is the way they can avoid death and they are voting for it.

Voting out the mafia is how we win. Not voting is the slow way to lose.
 
Baba Yaga

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Okay, ngl I feel pretty lost today. No vote is the boring option, but I still can't get a good enough read on anybody so I'm not even going to try to advocate for a blind lynch.

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Illuminati member 3

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what if geno expected us to no lynch here and prepared something REALLY FUCKED UP for this scenario

please boss, give us at least a big funny if we do this
 
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Pink Ranger said:
No voting is suspect as hell.

Look at the number of no voters and know that there are mafia votes there. From ECs flip we know there are two teams who probably don't know each other.

they are scared of voting out other mafia. they want the no vote. It is the way they can avoid death and they are voting for it.

Voting out the mafia is how we win. Not voting is the slow way to lose.
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Oh no, there are 100% mafia on the no vote. I mean by sheer player count, of 14 players the chances of all being town are near 0. But in general it's the lay low option, and it makes it easier to avoid a pair that includes a scummate. It's why I've been so against it. Not just boring, but it's the easy out.

At the end of the day, mafia gets a night kill and we lose our cop and get no info from a flip. A no vote seems like a +1 for team mafia. But I'm just ready for today to be over so I've given up trying to convince people.
 
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Baba Yaga said:
Oh no, there are 100% mafia on the no vote. I mean by sheer player count, of 14 players the chances of all being town are near 0. But in general it's the lay low option, and it makes it easier to avoid a pair that includes a scummate. It's why I've been so against it. Not just boring, but it's the easy out.

At the end of the day, mafia gets a night kill and we lose our cop and get no info from a flip. A no vote seems like a +1 for team mafia. But I'm just ready for today to be over so I've given up trying to convince people.
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Be ready for it to be over when Kawl shoots someone. I am not a great fan of voting in the dark but we essentially have a town day FOR TODAY ONLY and people are wasting the whole day.
 
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I pray to the Gods above and below that, when our souls convalesce in the other thread, we'll have the clarity to waddle through this mess and find the fruits of what we planted today. The random mechanics, the wayward secret chat, Ephi... It seems like wasted time, but there might be a lot to infer in hindsight.

I know there is not much hope, but instead

 
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