RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

3 minutes left and I don't think I see any reason to move off the Neon train other than it's gotten some unsavoury elements in it, don't want to tie it or something. Also I could use the XP tbh.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.
>.>

>.>
If I'm wrong I'm sorry
I hope this is not you playing hard to convince Sneeks

VOTE: Neon

(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)

(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
this is scummy af
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
3 minutes left and I don't think I see any reason to move off the Neon train other than it's gotten some unsavoury elements in it, don't want to tie it or something. Also I could use the XP tbh.
Man, at the last second, you said the thing that I knew would trigger me
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Well, yeah…you didn’t “vibe” with my reasoning for the Chugge vote, hence all of the questions and assessment afterwards. Then you immediately said that Sorian was cool even though they echoed the same sentiments. Are you going to explain your read on me in any other way than “vibes”? Because with the way you disagreed with me about the Chuggs situation, it felt more pointed than just “vibes”.
I just asked you explain more.
Sorian has given more than you.
But if you want more than vibes all this spiraling isn't helping ur case.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Bro Neon is not scum, this is all jjst exp baiting now, this is so obnoxious
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End

Neon (10 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989
Sawneeks - #1,083
CaptainNuevo - #1,092
The Wizard - #1,094
malus - #1,105
Blargonaut - #1,107
Zippedpinhead - #1,111

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794 #1,111
Neon - #887
Sorian - #1,097

Ty4on (2 votes)
HPSauce - #345 #999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773 #1,092
Sawneeks - #937 #1,083

CaptainNuevo (2 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759 #1,105
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792 #989
Blargonaut - #833 #1,072
Ty4on - #1,024

Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Alexem (0 votes)
Ty4on - #548 #965
Sawneeks - #756 #937
The Wizard - #784 #1,094
Ty4on - #1,008 #1,024

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784
Ty4on - #965 #994

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Muffin (0 votes)
Sorian - #660 #1,097
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 198 melonrabbit: 151 Sorian: 125 Ty4on: 102 Sawneeks: 87 Franconp: 80 Fireblend: 63 HPSauce: 61 nin1000: 54 CaptainNuevo: 53 Muffin: 51 Geno: 49 Blargonaut: 48 turmoil7: 38 Neon: 36 The Wizard: 35 Alexem: 33 TheWorthyEdge: 33 Natiko: 23 malus: 20 Zippedpinhead: 18

Current Countdown:
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Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
The party searched the town for clueless but were coming up empty. All the sudden they noticed Neon standing on his own, looking to take all comers. As this is truly a party designed game this appeared odd so they all set upon him and he did not have the necessary tools yet to mitigate the pressure and was crushed to death.

Neon has died!

Welcome to RPG Mafia!

You are the Tank and you are aligned with The Heroes of Aeredale (that is TOWN).

You have the following abilities:

Tier 1 (2 exp): Provide Cover

This ability will allow you to be a Bodyguard for your target at night. If they are targeted by a killing ability you will die in their place.

Tier 2 (4 exp): Shield Wall

This ability will allow you to Deflect the first night action targeted against you to your target.

Tier 3 (6 exp): Buy Them Time

This ability will allow you to Heal your target.

During the night phase if you want to exchange experience points for one of your available abilities you may submit the command via PM Learn: Tier X to learn how to use your chosen ability.

- You can only learn and use each ability once in the game
- You do not have to learn the abilities in order, you can go in any order that you would like.
- You can learn and use an ability that same night, but it is not mandatory to do so.
- You can only learn and use one ability per night phase.
- Commands for how to use each ability will be provided after they are learned.

You also have the ability to vote each day.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

The game thread can be found here:

Good luck and have fun!

Night ends in:

8q02pvj6z7


Night actions lock two hours before.

The following players gain 1 xp:
Chuggs
Febe
nin
turm
Sneeks
Captain
Wizard
malus
Blarg
Zipped
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
The party spent the evening waiting to see if any evil doers would show their presence. Just before dawn, however, they heard a cry go up by the town entrance. The party hurried there and saw a crowd of people surrounding something. As soon as they saw the party the crowd parted allowing them to see it was the body of Fireblend that they were looking around. He had apparently separated himself from the party during the night and being isolated was killed.

Fireblend has died!

Welcome to RPG Mafia!

You are the Paladin and you are aligned with The Heroes of Aeredale (that is TOWN).

You have the following abilities:

Tier 1 (2 exp): Detect Evil

This ability will allow you to perform an Alignment Check against your target.

Tier 2 (4 exp): Sacrifice

This ability will allow you to be a Bodyguard for your target that night. If they are targeted by a killing ability you will die in their place.

Tier 3 (6 exp): Divine Smite

This ability will allow you to perform sequential Vigilante shots at night.If your first target is a member of the mafia team you will be allowed to target another player that same night, and keep going until you hit a town player or all mafia team members have been killed. When that happens, you and all your targets will perish. Please note that this ability cannot be used after Night 6.

During the night phase if you want to exchange experience points for one of your available abilities you may submit the command via PM Learn: Tier X to learn how to use your chosen ability.

- You can only learn and use each ability once in the game
- You do not have to learn the abilities in order, you can go in any order that you would like.
- You can learn and use an ability that same night, but it is not mandatory to do so.
- You can only learn and use one ability per night phase.
- Commands for how to use each ability will be provided after they are learned.

You also have the ability to vote each day.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

The game thread can be found here:

Good luck and have fun!

As the party examined Fireblend's corpse they noted a set of footprints leading directly from the body going away from town along the main road. Having no other leads the party set out upon the road to see if the tracks led to anything. The road in this area was wide and well paved and made it's way around many fields and meadows. This would be a tough place for anyone to hide from them.

The party has discovered the Azarath Plains!

All living players gain 1xp.


Day 2 Begins

Day ends in:

r0c3wak6hq


All players gain an additional 1xp.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
[PRE-NIGHT FLIP RESULTS POST]

I was wrong...?
(Ok, a mistake. Pretty bad one too given that was our doctor + bodyguard. Still, it's a bit clearer where this game lies now. We're looking at roles being mixed in via abilities.)

FF8 uses level-scaling, I'm right at home.
(So anyone's actions during the night can be seen as a combination of a few factors:
1. Alignment. Duh. Obvious.
2. Their confidence in the state of the game. All powers are 1-shot. BUT we're dealing with the trade-off of charge time. Nobody could mathematically use a Tier 3 power until night 3. BUT doing so would require them to not learn/use a power during N1 or 2. So if they think they're likely to go out sooner, learning a power and using it could be an option.
3. The specifics of the power relative to the game. Taking Neon's for a hypothetical example, a bodyguard when you don't know the alignment of any other players is kinda guessing randomly and maybe dying for it. That trade-off might not have been worth it.
)

What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
(I'm not going to ask anyone else who was gunning for xp what they did, but I hope it was worth it. Mine certainly is based on my position in this game.)

Is there something else?
(One thing I want to think about is whether or not scum would gun for experience points that early on or not. I think the logic for scum hunting for xp is the same as the above, with an extra emphasis on worrying how long they stay alive. Can't be too obvious or they get suspicion raised, which is doubly bad for them. My best guess here is that we have some scum who are hiding in the xp pile-up to get their abilities sooner, and other scum calling out that behavior/bussing it for town points.)

3 minutes left and I don't think I see any reason to move off the Neon train other than it's gotten some unsavoury elements in it, don't want to tie it or something. Also I could use the XP tbh.
...?
(What? I don't follow this. If you think there's unsavoury elements, wouldn't you think this was a bad move? Why NOT try to tie it in that case? I'm a proponent of information gathering flips and think one is better than none, especially D1, but if you think "unsavoury elements" jumped on it, wouldn't that indicate a bad flip, which no flip is better than?)

Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon

...!
(Why did you go along with it?)

Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.
Weird.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
 
Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Exactly right on the last bit. It’s just dumb. Not helpful. And does more harm than good.

I’m leaning scum on Melon, Neon.
I’m leaning town on Chuggs, Fire.
I was leaning town on Sorian but…Melon’s reads on Sorian are completely counterintuitive to their reads on me.

Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.

Brother you were scum reading him?
 
Brother you were scum reading him?
Okay? And I was scum reading Turm as well lol you can only vote for one person. I made it PERFECTLY clear why I was voting for Turm over Neon. Regardless of how I viewed Neon, it was not a good vote. I was wrong on one account, and right on the other. It was a horrible vote Day 1.
 

Franconp

Frank
I feel a lot worse about Chuggs, not by pushing Neon but by not rethinking anything when all the scummy people jumped on that wagon. At least Febe did posted something about that.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
RIP Neon. I'm sorry I got cold feet and followed Chuggs onto that. ngl though, i did laugh that we killed a doctor Day 1. that's very Us

RIP Fireblend! A combo bodyguard/cop/vigi is a crazy trio and a bad loss after Neon.

I don't trust Chuggs at all now, but I'm still wavering on if it's him being wrong on Neon because he's Town or he was purposefully pulling nonsense there as scum. If he's scum it was either to cover for another scum wagon (captain?) or so he could use the defense "why would scum me do this???". Either way I don't trust his reads at all.


And full transparency on my end, after the first 20 hours of this Day I will be confined to mobile only. Don't expect a ton from me towards the later half of this Day Phase.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I feel a lot worse about Chuggs, not by pushing Neon but by not rethinking anything when all the scummy people jumped on that wagon. At least Febe did posted something about that.

It was 4 minutes before EoD and I had to step away I don't know what to tell you here. Like seriously, you want to vote me out do it, but I have zero reason to draw attention to myself by going that hard on a vote there unless my scum team is literally Turms and Ty
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Okay? And I was scum reading Turm as well lol you can only vote for one person. I made it PERFECTLY clear why I was voting for Turm over Neon. Regardless of how I viewed Neon, it was not a good vote. I was wrong on one account, and right on the other. It was a horrible vote Day 1.

Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
 

Franconp

Frank
It was 4 minutes before EoD and I had to step away I don't know what to tell you here. Like seriously, you want to vote me out do it, but I have zero reason to draw attention to myself by going that hard on a vote there unless my scum team is literally Turms and Ty

Or captain.

Hoy do you feel about the people that were on that wagon with you?
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.

It was explained before the day ended. Don’t try to wash your hands clean. They were as dirty as mine. Even worse you didn’t save him by defending him son.

just wanted to throw that out there.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Actually let me throw this to the class here.

VOTE: Neon

(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)

(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)

I can’t read now but don’t want ties
Vote: Neon

Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon

VOTE: Neon

I promise I won't eat your eyes

vote: neon

Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
...The same?
(Febe and Neon both had bodyguard as a power, spread over distinct tiers.)
(Also this makes a lot of sense why febe wanted the XP. Alignment check on night 1... damn we missed out :( )
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Worded that wrong

Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD and if yes, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
 
The neon vote was so large because everyone wants exp for their abilities.

as I said at the end of the day yesterday, this is the game we signed up for. It encourages bandwagons.

Fireblend’s death is rough though, but we can learn something from it
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Hard to deny that Chuggs looks worse after that flip, but it could also have been a bad pick that got amplified by scum. Obviously Febe doesn't fit the bill there, but the votes afterwards could hide meanies - Nin, Turmoil and Sneeks could all fit into that range, being third fourth and fifth on the train. Find a possible wagon, give it a push, then wait for townies to seal the deal, I've seen that enough times in early phases.
 
Fireblend and neon both share an ability, the “bodyguard” ability. I would bet all my exp that others share abilities too (but obviously don’t claim that)
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
RIP Neon. I'm sorry I got cold feet and followed Chuggs onto that. ngl though, i did laugh that we killed a doctor Day 1. that's very Us

RIP Fireblend! A combo bodyguard/cop/vigi is a crazy trio and a bad loss after Neon.

I don't trust Chuggs at all now, but I'm still wavering on if it's him being wrong on Neon because he's Town or he was purposefully pulling nonsense there as scum. If he's scum it was either to cover for another scum wagon (captain?) or so he could use the defense "why would scum me do this???". Either way I don't trust his reads at all.


And full transparency on my end, after the first 20 hours of this Day I will be confined to mobile only. Don't expect a ton from me towards the later half of this Day Phase.

Again, YOU voted for him too. I did not force you to throw a vote down.
 
Actually let me throw this to the class here.











Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
While im sure scum jumped on the neon bandwagon, im 100% sure that list contains more town that want to start using their abilities
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Actually let me throw this to the class here.











Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
It’s sadly +EV for town and scum to vote Neon so we have to view it more in context. Heck, I wanted to vote Neon, but didn’t because I lost track of time.

+EV means expected value, it’s a poker term and means it helps you win
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
The neon vote was so large because everyone wants exp for their abilities.

as I said at the end of the day yesterday, this is the game we signed up for. It encourages bandwagons.
This is very true and I think it's something that we all need to bear in mind - this game's designed to encourage people to drop the hammer faster than they can aim it, all in the name of scoring XP. It also makes it harder to pick out votes on a train that may be scummy from ones that were just opportunistic XP harvesting. I suppose the latter's more likely from the final votes, but it'd be easy enough for scum to hide themselves that way.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
We should do mech and calculate how much exp everybody has.

Maybe I’ll do it, brb
after I shower and eat and procrastinate and sleep and go to work and procrastinate after work and watch F1
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Or captain.

Hoy do you feel about the people that were on that wagon with you?

If there's scum, it's in the late voters imo. I actually really don't think it's nin, and I truly think Turms was willing to go to the grave at the end there.

Neeks ho humming the vote before throwing a vote down on Neon and causing a tie and coming in the next day blaming me is some grade A bullshit, but I honestly kind of think scum would be more interested in looking good on the flip than going for XP in mass wagon at the end there. I'm not saying it's pure and I think Cap's vote stinks the worst as well the pre written defense thing he has going on, but I'm less worried about people there than people off the vote actually
 
To think that there’s no scum on that train is crazy to me. Because it’s very, VERY easy for them to just give the “it’s part of the game” excuse.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Also to be clear, I think those wagons were TvTvT If there was scum up for a vote there, it's probably Cap, but I'm leaning toward that being town.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Capt I plan to get to your post, but for now I would like

Vote: CaptainNeuvo
Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.
I'm happy to explain why I went for it after not really feeling it. Chuggs' insistence on there being resistence to the Neon vote and my own uncertainty about that spot + Chuggs started to give me cold feet. There was a slight hesitation on people to go for him; like Nat, who I also don't have a good grasp of. I thought...maybe I was wrong, and Neon WAS scum and Chuggs actually did clock something there. So with little movement going on I thought....sure, I'll jump to Neon. If he IS actually scum then I have Chuggs now in the clear which really takes a weight off my mind + I know have a good place to look like at Nat or some of the other 'hesitant' crew. It ended up being horribly wrong and I feel bad about it, but I am trying to comb through it all and see why it happened. It's also why I am voting Capt now (among other reasons, aka he last vote there)

I feel a lot worse about Chuggs, not by pushing Neon but by not rethinking anything when all the scummy people jumped on that wagon. At least Febe did posted something about that.
Yeah, that stood out to me as well upon rereading. Chuggs jokes to me for my move but then doesn't comment on the mass movement. I feel like he would have if it was Town!Chuggs?
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
You didn’t just vote, you were also the most vocal person pushing it and actively refuting anyone else’s opinion that differed. It’s really disingenuous to now act like you’re just one of many and trying to absolve yourself of responsibility. I’d be lying as well if I didn’t admit this is just feeling like what I remember of your scum meta.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I've never seen scum Chuggs rallying a mislynch on D1 like that. If he did it's new to his gameplay imo
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Actually let me throw this to the class here.











Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
Considering XP is valuable and good to have? Yes. Do I think it's the WHOLE team there? No, that seems risky.

I plan to sit down and see who wasn't posting but was here to vote for Neon last minute. That feels like a place scum would want to be in tbh.

Again, YOU voted for him too. I did not force you to throw a vote down.
If there's scum, it's in the late voters imo. I actually really don't think it's nin, and I truly think Turms was willing to go to the grave at the end there.

Neeks ho humming the vote before throwing a vote down on Neon and causing a tie and coming in the next day blaming me is some grade A bullshit, but I honestly kind of think scum would be more interested in looking good on the flip than going for XP in mass wagon at the end there. I'm not saying it's pure and I think Cap's vote stinks the worst as well the pre written defense thing he has going on, but I'm less worried about people there than people off the vote actually

yeah to quote someone else
No, you didn’t “just vote” for a scum read lol you pushed for it HARD.

i'll take my L on Neon just fine, I was wrong. dunno why you're getting so strung up about being a massive part of that. I legit would not have voted for Neon if it wasn't for your intense insistence on it.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I've never seen scum Chuggs rallying a mislynch on D1 like that. If he did it's new to his gameplay imo
I’m not really sure I could apply that kind of analysis to approach from memory, and I’m even less sure it would be reliable given his pretty hefty exposure to other communities, so this is more a reference to tone and frustration. Either way, I find the first hand downplaying of his role in that flip to be off putting.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
You didn’t just vote, you were also the most vocal person pushing it and actively refuting anyone else’s opinion that differed. It’s really disingenuous to now act like you’re just one of many and trying to absolve yourself of responsibility. I’d be lying as well if I didn’t admit this is just feeling like what I remember of your scum meta.

I will freely admit I pushed it hard and wanted to see what was there. I was wrong. It doesn't make me scum. What I won't do is take responsibility for the whole ass kill like I vig shot the dude. Y'all have just as much agency of the vote as I do. You want to push someone? Push someone. You don't want a vote? Argue that. But I'm not going to sit here and have the blame at my feet because people were too scared to push reads.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
[PRE-NIGHT FLIP RESULTS POST]

I was wrong...?
(Ok, a mistake. Pretty bad one too given that was our doctor + bodyguard. Still, it's a bit clearer where this game lies now. We're looking at roles being mixed in via abilities.)

FF8 uses level-scaling, I'm right at home.
(So anyone's actions during the night can be seen as a combination of a few factors:
1. Alignment. Duh. Obvious.
2. Their confidence in the state of the game. All powers are 1-shot. BUT we're dealing with the trade-off of charge time. Nobody could mathematically use a Tier 3 power until night 3. BUT doing so would require them to not learn/use a power during N1 or 2. So if they think they're likely to go out sooner, learning a power and using it could be an option.
3. The specifics of the power relative to the game. Taking Neon's for a hypothetical example, a bodyguard when you don't know the alignment of any other players is kinda guessing randomly and maybe dying for it. That trade-off might not have been worth it.
)

What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
(I'm not going to ask anyone else who was gunning for xp what they did, but I hope it was worth it. Mine certainly is based on my position in this game.)

Is there something else?
(One thing I want to think about is whether or not scum would gun for experience points that early on or not. I think the logic for scum hunting for xp is the same as the above, with an extra emphasis on worrying how long they stay alive. Can't be too obvious or they get suspicion raised, which is doubly bad for them. My best guess here is that we have some scum who are hiding in the xp pile-up to get their abilities sooner, and other scum calling out that behavior/bussing it for town points.)


...?
(What? I don't follow this. If you think there's unsavoury elements, wouldn't you think this was a bad move? Why NOT try to tie it in that case? I'm a proponent of information gathering flips and think one is better than none, especially D1, but if you think "unsavoury elements" jumped on it, wouldn't that indicate a bad flip, which no flip is better than?)



...!
(Why did you go along with it?)


Weird.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
Okay, read this. Was expecting more actual scum investigation than pure mechanic talk which leaves me feeling icky. Not to mention saying he wasn't going to jump on the XP-getters but then seemingly does so with malus?

Who do you scum read? what happened with neon? how do you view chuggs?

give me SOMETHING here.
iirc someone commented that they felt Febe was playing more aggro this time around, who said that
sorian...? i remember seeing the post at the top of a page somewhere.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I will freely admit I pushed it hard and wanted to see what was there. I was wrong. It doesn't make me scum. What I won't do is take responsibility for the whole ass kill like I vig shot the dude. Y'all have just as much agency of the vote as I do. You want to push someone? Push someone. You don't want a vote? Argue that. But I'm not going to sit here and have the blame at my feet because people were too scared to push reads.
that's exactly why you were arguing FOR killing Neon. the whole 'resistence to his vote' thing you kept harping on? is that not people pushing their read?

also stop defending yourself and tell me what happened last day phase. not just 'oh it's TvTvT'. who do you see as scum? what did they do as you pushed neon?
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I will freely admit I pushed it hard and wanted to see what was there. I was wrong. It doesn't make me scum. What I won't do is take responsibility for the whole ass kill like I vig shot the dude. Y'all have just as much agency of the vote as I do. You want to push someone? Push someone. You don't want a vote? Argue that. But I'm not going to sit here and have the blame at my feet because people were too scared to push reads.
Sure, I’m not saying you vig shotted him but I can’t name a single person more responsible for that result than you aside from arguably Neon themselves. Can you? It’s one thing to defend yourself from having all the blame laid at your feet but this:

I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.

Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
Is a lot of protesting and minimizing of your role right out the gate. On top of that, we have:
If there's scum, it's in the late voters imo. I actually really don't think it's nin, and I truly think Turms was willing to go to the grave at the end there.

Neeks ho humming the vote before throwing a vote down on Neon and causing a tie and coming in the next day blaming me is some grade A bullshit, but I honestly kind of think scum would be more interested in looking good on the flip than going for XP in mass wagon at the end there. I'm not saying it's pure and I think Cap's vote stinks the worst as well the pre written defense thing he has going on, but I'm less worried about people there than people off the vote actually
So basically.. hey don’t look at this Neon train! If you do, look furthest away from me! Thank you, have a nice day!
 
[PRE-NIGHT FLIP RESULTS POST]

I was wrong...?
(Ok, a mistake. Pretty bad one too given that was our doctor + bodyguard. Still, it's a bit clearer where this game lies now. We're looking at roles being mixed in via abilities.)

FF8 uses level-scaling, I'm right at home.
(So anyone's actions during the night can be seen as a combination of a few factors:
1. Alignment. Duh. Obvious.
2. Their confidence in the state of the game. All powers are 1-shot. BUT we're dealing with the trade-off of charge time. Nobody could mathematically use a Tier 3 power until night 3. BUT doing so would require them to not learn/use a power during N1 or 2. So if they think they're likely to go out sooner, learning a power and using it could be an option.
3. The specifics of the power relative to the game. Taking Neon's for a hypothetical example, a bodyguard when you don't know the alignment of any other players is kinda guessing randomly and maybe dying for it. That trade-off might not have been worth it.
)

What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
(I'm not going to ask anyone else who was gunning for xp what they did, but I hope it was worth it. Mine certainly is based on my position in this game.)

Is there something else?
(One thing I want to think about is whether or not scum would gun for experience points that early on or not. I think the logic for scum hunting for xp is the same as the above, with an extra emphasis on worrying how long they stay alive. Can't be too obvious or they get suspicion raised, which is doubly bad for them. My best guess here is that we have some scum who are hiding in the xp pile-up to get their abilities sooner, and other scum calling out that behavior/bussing it for town points.)


...?
(What? I don't follow this. If you think there's unsavoury elements, wouldn't you think this was a bad move? Why NOT try to tie it in that case? I'm a proponent of information gathering flips and think one is better than none, especially D1, but if you think "unsavoury elements" jumped on it, wouldn't that indicate a bad flip, which no flip is better than?)



...!
(Why did you go along with it?)


Weird.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
This is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”

Once again said that we would get information from the Neon vote and then provides nothing.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I’m not really sure I could apply that kind of analysis to approach from memory, and I’m even less sure it would be reliable given his pretty hefty exposure to other communities, so this is more a reference to tone and frustration. Either way, I find the first hand downplaying of his role in that flip to be off putting.
This is good context, yeah I have to be more open to a Chuggs playing different than usual.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
that's exactly why you were arguing FOR killing Neon. the whole 'resistence to his vote' thing you kept harping on? is that not people pushing their read?

also stop defending yourself and tell me what happened last day phase. not just 'oh it's TvTvT'. who do you see as scum? what did they do as you pushed neon?

The majority of that was either just "what is going onnnnn with this neon vote" while not actually elaborating why or just asking me things I had already answered while not really following up on that. I don't think that's entirely scum, but the two people pushing back that I can honestly say felt genuine to me there were Fran and Sorian.

I would put money on scum being in Geno, Muffin, and Nat. Less sure about Nat. Geno has no damn reads until he all of a sudden thinks the Neon vote is "bad" while Muffin is just kind of sitting on a Geno vote with no real push aside from seems kind of scummy can't put my finger on why
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Sure, I’m not saying you vig shotted him but I can’t name a single person more responsible for that result than you aside from arguably Neon themselves. Can you? It’s one thing to defend yourself from having all the blame laid at your feet but this:




Is a lot of protesting and minimizing of your role right out the gate. On top of that, we have:

So basically.. hey don’t look at this Neon train! If you do, look furthest away from me! Thank you, have a nice day!

Yeah the person who probably also scum read him the hardest next to me and helped me start the wagon. So probably Febe. Oh he's dead. Weird!

You can look at me all you want but no shit i'm not going to tell you that's the right answer because why would I do that as any alignment?
 

Franconp

Frank
I'm going to be honest. I'm getting scummy vibes from a lot of people right now:

Captain, Zipped, Chuggs, Sneeks, Nin, Turm, Malus, Wizard, Geno and Muffin.

All of you can't be scum (and paranoid!Fran was very worried during the night phase that Hedin was trolling us again but Hedin told me that he wasn't, not that I trust him anyway) so, why should I trust you?
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
I cast provoke

VOTE: Geno

why u slip "us" Yesterday then try to handwave it away by saying u didn't like Muffin when u actually said u didn't like Muffin's vote on u
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I'm going to be honest. I'm getting scummy vibes from a lot of people right now:

Captain, Zipped, Chuggs, Sneeks, Nin, Turm, Malus, Wizard, Geno and Muffin.

All of you can't be scum (and paranoid!Fran was very worried during the night phase that Hedin was trolling us again but Hedin told me that he wasn't, not that I trust him anyway) so, why should I trust you?

I'm just going to keep playing the game and trying to work with you and you can make a decision based on that.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
The majority of that was either just "what is going onnnnn with this neon vote" while not actually elaborating why or just asking me things I had already answered while not really following up on that. I don't think that's entirely scum, but the two people pushing back that I can honestly say felt genuine to me there were Fran and Sorian.

I would put money on scum being in Geno, Muffin, and Nat. Less sure about Nat. Geno has no damn reads until he all of a sudden thinks the Neon vote is "bad" while Muffin is just kind of sitting on a Geno vote with no real push aside from seems kind of scummy can't put my finger on why
god, i'm so close to OMGUS voting you. i know you said you're doing a whole specific meta change thing but i genuinely cannot tell if that's making your blustering town or scum. it's frustrating regardless, that's for sure.

why did you not post anything once people starting piling on to the Neon vote? aka post my vote.
I'm going to be honest. I'm getting scummy vibes from a lot of people right now:

Captain, Zipped, Chuggs, Sneeks, Nin, Turm, Malus, Wizard, Geno and Muffin.

All of you can't be scum (and paranoid!Fran was very worried during the night phase that Hedin was trolling us again but Hedin told me that he wasn't, not that I trust him anyway) so, why should I trust you?
because i'm town
lol
lmao even
melon help whats going on with chuggs
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
also if captain is scum i really dislike chuggs just continously ignoring mentioning him in groups of people he finds sus.
 
I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
If you have 2 seconds pls give us your read of Captain and his opening post today
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.
Gonna be real man I'd respect it more if you were willing to admit you fucked it but whatevs.
 

Franconp

Frank
Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?

He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?
 
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