For tomorrows folks this is a scummy vote in my eyes
>.>Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.
If I'm wrong I'm sorry
I hope this is not you playing hard to convince Sneeks
this is scummy afVOTE: Neon
(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)
(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
Very convenient...Why?
(See my post from last night. I want xp. I'm min-maxing, 5 days to use everything at best case scenario.)
Man, at the last second, you said the thing that I knew would trigger me3 minutes left and I don't think I see any reason to move off the Neon train other than it's gotten some unsavoury elements in it, don't want to tie it or something. Also I could use the XP tbh.
I just asked you explain more.Well, yeah…you didn’t “vibe” with my reasoning for the Chugge vote, hence all of the questions and assessment afterwards. Then you immediately said that Sorian was cool even though they echoed the same sentiments. Are you going to explain your read on me in any other way than “vibes”? Because with the way you disagreed with me about the Chuggs situation, it felt more pointed than just “vibes”.
lmaoMan, at the last second, you said the thing that I knew would trigger me
Spiralling? Really?I just asked you explain more.
Sorian has given more than you.
But if you want more than vibes all this spiraling isn't helping ur case.
Yes it is, but this is the game we are playingBro Neon is not scum, this is all jjst exp baiting now, this is so obnoxious
Welcome to RPG Mafia!
You are the Tank and you are aligned with The Heroes of Aeredale (that is TOWN).
You have the following abilities:
Tier 1 (2 exp): Provide Cover
This ability will allow you to be a Bodyguard for your target at night. If they are targeted by a killing ability you will die in their place.
Tier 2 (4 exp): Shield Wall
This ability will allow you to Deflect the first night action targeted against you to your target.
Tier 3 (6 exp): Buy Them Time
This ability will allow you to Heal your target.
During the night phase if you want to exchange experience points for one of your available abilities you may submit the command via PM Learn: Tier X to learn how to use your chosen ability.
- You can only learn and use each ability once in the game
- You do not have to learn the abilities in order, you can go in any order that you would like.
- You can learn and use an ability that same night, but it is not mandatory to do so.
- You can only learn and use one ability per night phase.
- Commands for how to use each ability will be provided after they are learned.
You also have the ability to vote each day.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
The game thread can be found here:
Good luck and have fun!
Welcome to RPG Mafia!
You are the Paladin and you are aligned with The Heroes of Aeredale (that is TOWN).
You have the following abilities:
Tier 1 (2 exp): Detect Evil
This ability will allow you to perform an Alignment Check against your target.
Tier 2 (4 exp): Sacrifice
This ability will allow you to be a Bodyguard for your target that night. If they are targeted by a killing ability you will die in their place.
Tier 3 (6 exp): Divine Smite
This ability will allow you to perform sequential Vigilante shots at night.If your first target is a member of the mafia team you will be allowed to target another player that same night, and keep going until you hit a town player or all mafia team members have been killed. When that happens, you and all your targets will perish. Please note that this ability cannot be used after Night 6.
During the night phase if you want to exchange experience points for one of your available abilities you may submit the command via PM Learn: Tier X to learn how to use your chosen ability.
- You can only learn and use each ability once in the game
- You do not have to learn the abilities in order, you can go in any order that you would like.
- You can learn and use an ability that same night, but it is not mandatory to do so.
- You can only learn and use one ability per night phase.
- Commands for how to use each ability will be provided after they are learned.
You also have the ability to vote each day.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
The game thread can be found here:
Good luck and have fun!
...?3 minutes left and I don't think I see any reason to move off the Neon train other than it's gotten some unsavoury elements in it, don't want to tie it or something. Also I could use the XP tbh.
Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon
Weird.Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.
Exactly right on the last bit. It’s just dumb. Not helpful. And does more harm than good.
I’m leaning scum on Melon, Neon.
I’m leaning town on Chuggs, Fire.
I was leaning town on Sorian but…Melon’s reads on Sorian are completely counterintuitive to their reads on me.
Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.
Okay? And I was scum reading Turm as well lol you can only vote for one person. I made it PERFECTLY clear why I was voting for Turm over Neon. Regardless of how I viewed Neon, it was not a good vote. I was wrong on one account, and right on the other. It was a horrible vote Day 1.Brother you were scum reading him?
Vote:Chuggs
Convince me to move this dawg
Because Chuggs is townVote:Chuggs
Convince me to move this dawg
I feel a lot worse about Chuggs, not by pushing Neon but by not rethinking anything when all the scummy people jumped on that wagon. At least Febe did posted something about that.
Okay? And I was scum reading Turm as well lol you can only vote for one person. I made it PERFECTLY clear why I was voting for Turm over Neon. Regardless of how I viewed Neon, it was not a good vote. I was wrong on one account, and right on the other. It was a horrible vote Day 1.
That neon wagon was horrible.
And you killed the doctor D1... *sight*
It was 4 minutes before EoD and I had to step away I don't know what to tell you here. Like seriously, you want to vote me out do it, but I have zero reason to draw attention to myself by going that hard on a vote there unless my scum team is literally Turms and Ty
Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.
VOTE: Neon
(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)
(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
I can’t read now but don’t want ties
Vote: Neon
Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon
VOTE: Neon
I promise I won't eat your eyes
vote: neon
No, you didn’t “just vote” for a scum read lol you pushed for it HARD.Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
RIP Neon. I'm sorry I got cold feet and followed Chuggs onto that. ngl though, i did laugh that we killed a doctor Day 1. that's very Us
RIP Fireblend! A combo bodyguard/cop/vigi is a crazy trio and a bad loss after Neon.
I don't trust Chuggs at all now, but I'm still wavering on if it's him being wrong on Neon because he's Town or he was purposefully pulling nonsense there as scum. If he's scum it was either to cover for another scum wagon (captain?) or so he could use the defense "why would scum me do this???". Either way I don't trust his reads at all.
And full transparency on my end, after the first 20 hours of this Day I will be confined to mobile only. Don't expect a ton from me towards the later half of this Day Phase.
While im sure scum jumped on the neon bandwagon, im 100% sure that list contains more town that want to start using their abilitiesActually let me throw this to the class here.
Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
It’s sadly +EV for town and scum to vote Neon so we have to view it more in context. Heck, I wanted to vote Neon, but didn’t because I lost track of time.Actually let me throw this to the class here.
Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
This is very true and I think it's something that we all need to bear in mind - this game's designed to encourage people to drop the hammer faster than they can aim it, all in the name of scoring XP. It also makes it harder to pick out votes on a train that may be scummy from ones that were just opportunistic XP harvesting. I suppose the latter's more likely from the final votes, but it'd be easy enough for scum to hide themselves that way.The neon vote was so large because everyone wants exp for their abilities.
as I said at the end of the day yesterday, this is the game we signed up for. It encourages bandwagons.
Or captain.
Hoy do you feel about the people that were on that wagon with you?
I'm happy to explain why I went for it after not really feeling it. Chuggs' insistence on there being resistence to the Neon vote and my own uncertainty about that spot + Chuggs started to give me cold feet. There was a slight hesitation on people to go for him; like Nat, who I also don't have a good grasp of. I thought...maybe I was wrong, and Neon WAS scum and Chuggs actually did clock something there. So with little movement going on I thought....sure, I'll jump to Neon. If he IS actually scum then I have Chuggs now in the clear which really takes a weight off my mind + I know have a good place to look like at Nat or some of the other 'hesitant' crew. It ended up being horribly wrong and I feel bad about it, but I am trying to comb through it all and see why it happened. It's also why I am voting Capt now (among other reasons, aka he last vote there)Can someone explain to me why the hell that Neon vote actually happened? I’ve played a few Mafia games and that vote may be the worst I’ve seen.
Yeah, that stood out to me as well upon rereading. Chuggs jokes to me for my move but then doesn't comment on the mass movement. I feel like he would have if it was Town!Chuggs?I feel a lot worse about Chuggs, not by pushing Neon but by not rethinking anything when all the scummy people jumped on that wagon. At least Febe did posted something about that.
To think that there’s no scum on that train is crazy to me. Because it’s very, VERY easy for them to just give the “it’s part of the game” excuse.
You didn’t just vote, you were also the most vocal person pushing it and actively refuting anyone else’s opinion that differed. It’s really disingenuous to now act like you’re just one of many and trying to absolve yourself of responsibility. I’d be lying as well if I didn’t admit this is just feeling like what I remember of your scum meta.Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
Considering XP is valuable and good to have? Yes. Do I think it's the WHOLE team there? No, that seems risky.Actually let me throw this to the class here.
Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
Again, YOU voted for him too. I did not force you to throw a vote down.
If there's scum, it's in the late voters imo. I actually really don't think it's nin, and I truly think Turms was willing to go to the grave at the end there.
Neeks ho humming the vote before throwing a vote down on Neon and causing a tie and coming in the next day blaming me is some grade A bullshit, but I honestly kind of think scum would be more interested in looking good on the flip than going for XP in mass wagon at the end there. I'm not saying it's pure and I think Cap's vote stinks the worst as well the pre written defense thing he has going on, but I'm less worried about people there than people off the vote actually
No, you didn’t “just vote” for a scum read lol you pushed for it HARD.
I’m not really sure I could apply that kind of analysis to approach from memory, and I’m even less sure it would be reliable given his pretty hefty exposure to other communities, so this is more a reference to tone and frustration. Either way, I find the first hand downplaying of his role in that flip to be off putting.I've never seen scum Chuggs rallying a mislynch on D1 like that. If he did it's new to his gameplay imo
You didn’t just vote, you were also the most vocal person pushing it and actively refuting anyone else’s opinion that differed. It’s really disingenuous to now act like you’re just one of many and trying to absolve yourself of responsibility. I’d be lying as well if I didn’t admit this is just feeling like what I remember of your scum meta.
Okay, read this. Was expecting more actual scum investigation than pure mechanic talk which leaves me feeling icky. Not to mention saying he wasn't going to jump on the XP-getters but then seemingly does so with malus?[PRE-NIGHT FLIP RESULTS POST]
I was wrong...?
(Ok, a mistake. Pretty bad one too given that was our doctor + bodyguard. Still, it's a bit clearer where this game lies now. We're looking at roles being mixed in via abilities.)
FF8 uses level-scaling, I'm right at home.
(So anyone's actions during the night can be seen as a combination of a few factors:
1. Alignment. Duh. Obvious.
2. Their confidence in the state of the game. All powers are 1-shot. BUT we're dealing with the trade-off of charge time. Nobody could mathematically use a Tier 3 power until night 3. BUT doing so would require them to not learn/use a power during N1 or 2. So if they think they're likely to go out sooner, learning a power and using it could be an option.
3. The specifics of the power relative to the game. Taking Neon's for a hypothetical example, a bodyguard when you don't know the alignment of any other players is kinda guessing randomly and maybe dying for it. That trade-off might not have been worth it.
)
What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
(I'm not going to ask anyone else who was gunning for xp what they did, but I hope it was worth it. Mine certainly is based on my position in this game.)
Is there something else?
(One thing I want to think about is whether or not scum would gun for experience points that early on or not. I think the logic for scum hunting for xp is the same as the above, with an extra emphasis on worrying how long they stay alive. Can't be too obvious or they get suspicion raised, which is doubly bad for them. My best guess here is that we have some scum who are hiding in the xp pile-up to get their abilities sooner, and other scum calling out that behavior/bussing it for town points.)
...?
(What? I don't follow this. If you think there's unsavoury elements, wouldn't you think this was a bad move? Why NOT try to tie it in that case? I'm a proponent of information gathering flips and think one is better than none, especially D1, but if you think "unsavoury elements" jumped on it, wouldn't that indicate a bad flip, which no flip is better than?)
...!
(Why did you go along with it?)
Weird.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
sorian...? i remember seeing the post at the top of a page somewhere.iirc someone commented that they felt Febe was playing more aggro this time around, who said that
sry I'll admit I chortled heartily when the flip revealed we ate (a) cleric first
destiny really is destiny
that's exactly why you were arguing FOR killing Neon. the whole 'resistence to his vote' thing you kept harping on? is that not people pushing their read?I will freely admit I pushed it hard and wanted to see what was there. I was wrong. It doesn't make me scum. What I won't do is take responsibility for the whole ass kill like I vig shot the dude. Y'all have just as much agency of the vote as I do. You want to push someone? Push someone. You don't want a vote? Argue that. But I'm not going to sit here and have the blame at my feet because people were too scared to push reads.
sorian...? i remember seeing the post at the top of a page somewhere.
Sure, I’m not saying you vig shotted him but I can’t name a single person more responsible for that result than you aside from arguably Neon themselves. Can you? It’s one thing to defend yourself from having all the blame laid at your feet but this:I will freely admit I pushed it hard and wanted to see what was there. I was wrong. It doesn't make me scum. What I won't do is take responsibility for the whole ass kill like I vig shot the dude. Y'all have just as much agency of the vote as I do. You want to push someone? Push someone. You don't want a vote? Argue that. But I'm not going to sit here and have the blame at my feet because people were too scared to push reads.
I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.
Is a lot of protesting and minimizing of your role right out the gate. On top of that, we have:Yeah nah man. This is nonsense hindsight talk. I voted for a scum read and it was wrong it happens.
So basically.. hey don’t look at this Neon train! If you do, look furthest away from me! Thank you, have a nice day!If there's scum, it's in the late voters imo. I actually really don't think it's nin, and I truly think Turms was willing to go to the grave at the end there.
Neeks ho humming the vote before throwing a vote down on Neon and causing a tie and coming in the next day blaming me is some grade A bullshit, but I honestly kind of think scum would be more interested in looking good on the flip than going for XP in mass wagon at the end there. I'm not saying it's pure and I think Cap's vote stinks the worst as well the pre written defense thing he has going on, but I'm less worried about people there than people off the vote actually
This is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”[PRE-NIGHT FLIP RESULTS POST]
I was wrong...?
(Ok, a mistake. Pretty bad one too given that was our doctor + bodyguard. Still, it's a bit clearer where this game lies now. We're looking at roles being mixed in via abilities.)
FF8 uses level-scaling, I'm right at home.
(So anyone's actions during the night can be seen as a combination of a few factors:
1. Alignment. Duh. Obvious.
2. Their confidence in the state of the game. All powers are 1-shot. BUT we're dealing with the trade-off of charge time. Nobody could mathematically use a Tier 3 power until night 3. BUT doing so would require them to not learn/use a power during N1 or 2. So if they think they're likely to go out sooner, learning a power and using it could be an option.
3. The specifics of the power relative to the game. Taking Neon's for a hypothetical example, a bodyguard when you don't know the alignment of any other players is kinda guessing randomly and maybe dying for it. That trade-off might not have been worth it.
)
What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
(I'm not going to ask anyone else who was gunning for xp what they did, but I hope it was worth it. Mine certainly is based on my position in this game.)
Is there something else?
(One thing I want to think about is whether or not scum would gun for experience points that early on or not. I think the logic for scum hunting for xp is the same as the above, with an extra emphasis on worrying how long they stay alive. Can't be too obvious or they get suspicion raised, which is doubly bad for them. My best guess here is that we have some scum who are hiding in the xp pile-up to get their abilities sooner, and other scum calling out that behavior/bussing it for town points.)
...?
(What? I don't follow this. If you think there's unsavoury elements, wouldn't you think this was a bad move? Why NOT try to tie it in that case? I'm a proponent of information gathering flips and think one is better than none, especially D1, but if you think "unsavoury elements" jumped on it, wouldn't that indicate a bad flip, which no flip is better than?)
...!
(Why did you go along with it?)
Weird.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
This is good context, yeah I have to be more open to a Chuggs playing different than usual.I’m not really sure I could apply that kind of analysis to approach from memory, and I’m even less sure it would be reliable given his pretty hefty exposure to other communities, so this is more a reference to tone and frustration. Either way, I find the first hand downplaying of his role in that flip to be off putting.
that's exactly why you were arguing FOR killing Neon. the whole 'resistence to his vote' thing you kept harping on? is that not people pushing their read?
also stop defending yourself and tell me what happened last day phase. not just 'oh it's TvTvT'. who do you see as scum? what did they do as you pushed neon?
Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”
Sure, I’m not saying you vig shotted him but I can’t name a single person more responsible for that result than you aside from arguably Neon themselves. Can you? It’s one thing to defend yourself from having all the blame laid at your feet but this:
Is a lot of protesting and minimizing of your role right out the gate. On top of that, we have:
So basically.. hey don’t look at this Neon train! If you do, look furthest away from me! Thank you, have a nice day!
This is good context, yeah I have to be more open to a Chuggs playing different than usual.
I'm going to be honest. I'm getting scummy vibes from a lot of people right now:
Captain, Zipped, Chuggs, Sneeks, Nin, Turm, Malus, Wizard, Geno and Muffin.
All of you can't be scum (and paranoid!Fran was very worried during the night phase that Hedin was trolling us again but Hedin told me that he wasn't, not that I trust him anyway) so, why should I trust you?
I'm here, albeit on mobile.
Any tldr?
Chuggs wants to vote Neon
Sounds fun. Any reason why?
I'm trying to work it out
god, i'm so close to OMGUS voting you. i know you said you're doing a whole specific meta change thing but i genuinely cannot tell if that's making your blustering town or scum. it's frustrating regardless, that's for sure.The majority of that was either just "what is going onnnnn with this neon vote" while not actually elaborating why or just asking me things I had already answered while not really following up on that. I don't think that's entirely scum, but the two people pushing back that I can honestly say felt genuine to me there were Fran and Sorian.
I would put money on scum being in Geno, Muffin, and Nat. Less sure about Nat. Geno has no damn reads until he all of a sudden thinks the Neon vote is "bad" while Muffin is just kind of sitting on a Geno vote with no real push aside from seems kind of scummy can't put my finger on why
because i'm townI'm going to be honest. I'm getting scummy vibes from a lot of people right now:
Captain, Zipped, Chuggs, Sneeks, Nin, Turm, Malus, Wizard, Geno and Muffin.
All of you can't be scum (and paranoid!Fran was very worried during the night phase that Hedin was trolling us again but Hedin told me that he wasn't, not that I trust him anyway) so, why should I trust you?
melon help whats going on with chuggslol
lmao even
I'm just going to keep playing the game and trying to work with you and you can make a decision based on that.
I actually really don't think it's nin
Because people yell at me if I don't ;_;WHY WERE YOU TWO WHISPERING
because i'm town
[...] I say it hasn't hardened because I'd like to think I'm not tunneling and my vote could still change. I wouldn't be opposed to switching to Neon or Melon I think.
I do think opening Neon up as an alternative train might kick up some dust in interesting patterns for later use. Let's see what falls out.
Vote: Neon
If you have 2 seconds pls give us your read of Captain and his opening post todayI won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
Gonna be real man I'd respect it more if you were willing to admit you fucked it but whatevs.I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.