EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
“Replace or” should’ve been put in there. If the info is too much for them.I think it ruins the game of the person who knows the alignment, especially when the person who slipped keeps goading them.
“Replace or” should’ve been put in there. If the info is too much for them.I think it ruins the game of the person who knows the alignment, especially when the person who slipped keeps goading them.
You keep going on about town vs scum. It’s possible for town to have a slip as well.Nah. Don't slip or town will know your scum is even simpler.
You can't make people hold info other players who were in the wrong gave to them
Salvapot should never have to replace in that spot.“Replace or” should’ve been put in there. If the info is too much for them.
And Town should hold the L if it's a town players slip.You keep going on about town vs scum. It’s possible for town to have a slip as well.
I was fully prepared to hold the L at the start of the next day phase.But, no need to do that when SP said he wouldn’t tell.Salvapot should never have to replace in that spot.
if I was in your shoes Zeke the second Salvapot found out I would have Told town the truth myself that I was scum, I slipped, and they should Vote me out.
it's your Slip Zeke nobody else's, it was a mistake but it's still your mistake and you have to Hold the L yourself.
it's not ok to ruin another players game for what you did.
That would ruin game integrity as much as leaving the players in. We don't reveal why players are replacing out/being replaced out because it might reveal information they aren't supposed to know (such as replacing them for pronoun violations when they were made in a OM chat)Someone seeing someone else's slip is not there fault at all they should not be replaced.
If you replace the person who say the slip you 100% have to immediately replace the person who made the slip too it's only fair the person who made the slip is the source of the problem.
I think a game runner needs to immediately mention the slip themselves in a red post to avoid pressure on the players
lol I like End a lot actually.Probably better options:
cease
croak
end
kick the bucket [kick]
slay
zap
I'll agree with Voted out, it's easier. I do think we should allow game runners to pick flavor appropriate words like when Reki had players "exit the party." In those cases players can use vote out or the flavor words. XDWhat term should we replace lynch with in our Rules/Documents?
Suggested alternatives:
- Voted Out
- Elimination
- Kill
- Removed
- End
- Ejected
If you want to suggest a term to use please do so within the next
After this timer runs out I will make a poll so we can decide what term we want to use.
The game is compromised by them. They were the source of the info that ruined part of the game. Completely disagree with this last statement.Replacing the person who messed up and slipped would be vindictive, because they don't have more info than they started with and the game isn't compromised by them.
Agree I agree with this and what Ephi said. I just personally feel that it might be a good idea not affect the replaced players priority or even guarantee they can play in the next game they really want to play in.My point regarding replacing players that come into contact with info they shouldn't have comes from the fact that these games take a long time to be designed, balanced, etc and in my eyes as a community leader they're as much a service to the game runners that painstakingly worked on them as it is a service to the players. I want to see the games played out per their design, roles, etc without external intervention that may break the game.
In a situation where someone slipped and someone else saw it and it was caught in time for those 2 to have been the only ones involved, I wouldn't want to punish either, certainly neither of them wanted to be in that position. However, the person that compromised the game is the one that noticed, and they should be replaced as to remove that unintended variable. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it relies on a code of honor (that I 100% trust people to uphold, the same as how they don't contact teammates outside of the spaces designed for it). But it's not punishment in the sense that it's meant to be punitive, it's a sacrifice or courtesy extended by the player for the "greater good" of the game, and of course they could get increased priority for the next game they want to play etc, but in order to protect the vision of the game runners that have been waiting months to see their designs played, the reviewers who helped, and the players who're doing their best to solve the game cleanly, it's the way to go. These games are literally played once and that's it. You get one shot. Part of our responsibility is to make that one shot count.
Replacing the person who messed up and slipped would be vindictive, because they don't have more info than they started with and the game isn't compromised by them.
Because no one has more information after replacing the player who noticed. The game can carry on with no disruption to the design. The player who slipped doesn't have more info and no one else does either. The disruptive element was the player who gained info outside of the scope of the games design.The game is compromised by them. They were the source of the info that ruined part of the game. Completely disagree with this last statement.
I don't see how sitting out the rest of 1 game for your own actions is vindictive.
I just can't see why you would not kill the player that actually made the most and literally revealed there own secret. How is it other players job to protect them from there own mistakes?In such cases if there are no replacements that can be found then the affected player should be put under a gag order and will be mod killed if they can't keep it secret.
Because most of the times slips are mistakes made on accident. It's one thing if someone misgenders another player as that's less forgivable, but making a slip on accident should not be punishable. If done on purpose then yes, but if it's on accident they shouldn't be forced out because of that.The game is compromised by them. They were the source of the info that ruined part of the game. Completely disagree with this last statement.
I don't see how sitting out the rest of 1 game for your own actions is vindictive.
Both are the disruptive elements. The info did not come from thin air.Because no one has more information after replacing the player who noticed. The game can carry on with no disruption to the design. The player who slipped doesn't have more info and no one else does either. The disruptive element was the player who gained info outside of the scope of the games design.
Because as Febe said, the one who witnessed the slip has more information than they are supposed to. The one who made the slip still has the same info they had before.I just can't see why you would not kill the player that actually made the most and literally revealed there own secret. How is it other players job to protect them from there own mistakes?
Let's say A player breaks there gag order. Would killing them not be vindictive?Because as Febe said, the one who witnessed the slip has more information than they are supposed to. The one who made the slip still has the same info they had before.
to be clear I don't blame you for any of your actions Zeke you did the best you could in a really bad situation were nobody knew exactly what to do..
I was fully prepared to hold the L at the start of the next day phase.But, no need to do that when SP said he wouldn’t tell.
I could’ve killed SP when he found out but didn’t since he said he wouldn’t tell.
Because it's happening outside a place designated for it, and it's not a space controlled by the gamerunner. This means I could potentially pretend I saw someone slip outside the game thread, and gambit off of that. Or, if I *did* notice, not alert anyone and use that info as a way to snuff out the player's teammates without engaging with the game's design or constraints.@lokiduck and @Fireblend
If scum slipped in the main thread they would just be voted out.
Why should exposing your own info to a town member in Different thread be treated different?
That playerslot committed a mistake and should just be a compromised slot info wise for there team.
The game is compromised by them. They were the source of the info that ruined part of the game. Completely disagree with this last statement.
I don't see how sitting out the rest of 1 game for your own actions is vindictive.
It has nothing to do with the player themselves, it ends up ruining the game for the other participants is the issue. That's where replacing out the one who saw the slip comes in. I think you're seeing the replacement as a punishment when it's not, it's an unintended consequence to keep the game state preserved. I understand why everyone did what they did (except Zeke, kind of bm to taunt the way you did honestly) but that did not feel good as another player in the game and I'm sure it did not feel good for Natiko even if this game wasn't completely his baby.
all good lolto be clear I don't blame you for any of your actions Zeke you did the best you could in a really bad situation were nobody knew exactly what to do.
tbf, i did try to play it straight when he first started grilling me. But once he kept the tunnel goin I just thought I would have some fun.It has nothing to do with the player themselves, it ends up ruining the game for the other participants is the issue. That's where replacing out the one who saw the slip comes in. I think you're seeing the replacement as a punishment when it's not, it's an unintended consequence to keep the game state preserved. I understand why everyone did what they did (except Zeke, kind of bm to taunt the way you did honestly) but that did not feel good as another player in the game and I'm sure it did not feel good for Natiko even if this game wasn't completely his baby.
That was like one of the first suggestions I think.At least give them like guaranteed priority in A game of there choice (they might not need extra priority for the next game they play) if you replace them .
no they are breaking the rules and should be correctly punished for it like every other rule breaker.Let's say A player breaks there gag order. Would killing them not be vindictive?
the Player who committed the foul should be the one dinged imo
Slipping in the main thread is one thing, it's what happened in costume party mafia. But slipping in a thread on OM where only one person sees it is where we get this situation and in that case the one who saw the slip needs to replace out or be given a gag order if they can't be.@lokiduck and @Fireblend
If scum slipped in the main thread they would just be voted out.
Why should exposing your own info to a town member in Different thread be treated different?
That playerslot committed a mistake and should just be a compromised slot info wise for there team.
lol then you are compromising game integrity and messing with what the game runner and reviewers put a lot of work into. If you make a slip and town has to replace out and you feel bad about it, then you can also ask to be replaced as well.Like personally if I was scum who ever Made a mistake like this I would feel super guilty for town replacing. I would Tell town right away exactly how I messed up I am a scum member and they should Vote me just to avoid any player having to replace.
Again they don't have to if no one saw it. Announcing a slip happened when no one saw it would make a bigger issue out of nothing.And Yes I think scum being 1 player down is a better solution than forcing a replacement.
if it's the other way and Town Cop accidentally reveals themselves in the smash bros thread (made up example) they should just tell the thread they slip and they are cop.
Yes I get that, but that's why myself and others like Ephi are proposing replacement for spotting slips not affecting priority or even allowing them guaranteed priority on a game of their choosing.And I get that it’s not, but it’s 100% going to feel that way to the player that’s replaced. Imagine playing in a game you were really looking forward and catching a slip knowing just because you happen to be looking there at the time and realizing you have to replace out now. That’s going to be a shitty feeling lol.
I would immediately tell the truth to town before a player had to be replace. my player slot deserves death for messing up imo.If you make a slip and town has to replace out and you feel bad about it, then you can also ask to be replaced as well.
That still messes with game integrity.I would immediately tell the truth to town before a player had to be replace. my player slot deserves death for messing up imo.
I think if they go this route it has to be 100% reserved slot in game of your choice.Pushing the volunteer self reporter to high priority is a fine compromise imo.
The game does need to come first, for the good of all. There’s no point in force subbing the slipper role in such a circumstance - that would limit the observers to a thunderdome for which was non town slot.
I don’t have fun playing mafia games that are broken not even by the written-in mechanics, but by tech problems.
but if I messed up the guilt would to high for me not to tell the truthThat still messes with game integrity.
We put a lot of work into making our games and even have roles we have grown to really like or be excited about. Having stuff like slips, while on accident can ruin the fun for the players and gamerunners because a mechanic they were excited about didn't get to happen. Yeah sometimes really cool roles are the first to die, but that's a natural result of the game itself. Mistakes aren't the fault of those that make them, but it's still a non game related reason affecting game integrity and what we are discussing is finding a way to contain such incidents when they happen.
Then request to be subbed out and offer the players and the gamerunners the courtesy of letting them play the game as intended, but don't make that the default outcome for everyone :shrug:but if I messed up the guilt would to high for me not to tell the truth
I don't see a world were I don't immediately tell the thread what happened I would not be able to help myself as it's what I feel is right. I would need repentance for exposing my role to another player.
But this would clash with my values of Right and Wrong.Then request to be subbed out and offer the players and the gamerunners the courtesy of letting them play the game as intended, but don't make that the default outcome for everyone :shrug:
Yes I get that, but that's why myself and others like Ephi are proposing replacement for spotting slips not affecting priority or even allowing them guaranteed priority on a game of their choosing.
When Zeke posted in the wrong thread this was still a gameplay action. The message was meant for scum chat but went to the wrong place do to user error. This Gameplay mistakes deserves to Lose said players team there player slot.
From my perspective this still fits the balance from the gamerunners perspective because scum could have slipped anywhere.
AGAIN. The one who slipped isn't compromised. Yes it's their fault for causing the slip, but if the slip is contained and was only seen by one person then the best solution is to put the witness under gag order or replace them out so the game can continue like normal.Like it feels wrong for the gamerunners to move players to cover 1 players own mistake instead of accepting that the players slip as a accidental misplay that lead to them getting Voted out.
when somebody messed up firmly believe they should take responsibility. especially in a game where keeping your own info secret is a key component.
It's unfair to the person replacing out, that's for sure, but it's better than the player having compromised information. The alternative is putting the player on a gag order if they really do not want to replace out, but it will still affect their reads of course. However, there are cases when people can't replace out so maybe we can keep it as the second option with the requirement they maintain the gag order or face a mod kill.Which I also get, but my big issue is I don't think this is actually that great of a trade off. Like we have a bit of dwindling player base problem here and priority isn't this great thing anymore. Like I know we ran some bigger games this season, but legit I played every single game this season by just signing up for them. Like I would personally rather keep playing the game I'm in than be forced to sub out for some future priority slot I might not actually need to get into a game. These are only played once and the game runner only gets one shot at this. I get that, but it goes for the players too. And being forced to sub out because someone else made a mistake just isn't something I can get behind.
If more than two people see the slip then I'm pretty sure in most cases there'd be nothing we could about it like when you slipped up in costume party. This discussion is specific to cases where only one player has seen the slip.Where do we even draw the line for this? If two players manage to catch the slip do you replace both of them out? What do we do if one of them reports that they caught it, but not the other? What if someone slips in the game thread? Does everyone that saw that get replaced out or is this only for someone posting somewhere that isn't the game thread because both of those break the game the same way.
Yep and that's fine you feel that way. It's why I'm proposing also allowing for gag orders with enforcement if a player really does not want to replace out and will keep the slip quiet. We are asking in such cases that they replace out if they can't or risk a mod kill and lower priority.Yeah I think we're going to have to just agree to disagree here lol. I'm just going to maintain that I'm very against forcing a player to replace out due to someone else's mistake.
Exactly. We should do our best to prevent issues but we need plans for when they happen.All of these weird incidents have 1 thing in common: outermafia errors in setup.
it’s all very well to say, just git gud and close threads etc, but in fact mistakes will happen anyway later because that part of the procedure will eventually be missed by someone. When it does happen, the least-damage option needs to be taken. And hey, it’s also a learning process for strange seldom used site features that nobody foresaw could compromise a game. This is what testing on a live system is. It causes issues for people that didn’t earn it.
I don’t think the ‘replace both’ option is remotely valid. It would clearly raise eyebrows in the game thread, and would cause a decent hit to the replacement list.Someone seeing someone else's slip is not there fault at all they should not be replaced.
If you replace the person who say the slip you 100% have to immediately replace the person who made the slip too it's only fair the person who made the slip is the source of the problem.
I think a game runner needs to immediately mention the slip themselves in a red post to avoid pressure on the players
I grabbed the rules from OM though?I've considered putting it into the rules but I'm not sure we could write something universal that would cover each instance. Plus I'm not sure how many players actively check the rules and it may not be clear that your role has a modkill threat in it if you break it.
We will keep that in mind! Monkey already gave the more detailed answer but we do try and space games out by player size and complexity to avoid this kind of feeling. Just a little tough sometimes when the building blocks are all 30 players :p
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Sorry, Puns. I fixed it ;;
I like this idea. I'll make another post detailing what suggestions we have so far and when we can have a vote.
Once it has been proved to be correct then it can be considered
Ah, reminds me I wanted to make something that will be posted in new Modchats. Some gamerunner just copy/paste the rules from very old games when the updated rules or in OM. Thank you for pointing it out.
That’s overly punishing to scum. Not only are they down a person but then they don’t get the night phase to do their actions.Can someone argue with me why a Scum team member themselves compromising the games integrity by posting on the wrong spot should not result in that scum members Slot being killed?
I get the sentiment, but I don’t think most players will feel a priority pass or any other make good would be a good consolation prize. Imagine this had happened in HVV3, a highly anticipated game that we may never see another of. Someone having to sub from that over no fault of their own and being told they can get into some other game they aren’t as excited for and maybe could’ve got in anyways isn’t particularly enjoyable. That said we’re talking about something we’ve seen happen like...four times ever? Locking the threads and making sure the ongoing game is at the top to me feels like enough of a safeguard that we don’t even need to formalize what happens. Let the gamerunner decide.I do kind of feel honestly Salva should have been replaced out. It was not fault of his own obviously and not blaming him or anyone but once the slip was made and hw knew about it, the game was compromised.
Slips happen and no one is doing it intentionally but ultimately I feel the action that keeps the game alive and well is the best one to take.
How would this gag order even work ?Yep and that's fine you feel that way. It's why I'm proposing also allowing for gag orders with enforcement if a player really does not want to replace out and will keep the slip quiet.
Scum still get to use the night action that night. I fail to see how this is more punishing than the slip in Costume party.That’s overly punishing to scum. Not only are they down a person but then they don’t get the night phase to do their actions.
It's not much of a consolation prize for highly anticipated games, but at the very least I think it's something over just them having to replace out.I get the sentiment, but I don’t think most players will feel a priority pass or any other make good would be a good consolation prize. Imagine this had happened in HVV3, a highly anticipated game that we may never see another of. Someone having to sub from that over no fault of their own and being told they can get into some other game they aren’t as excited for and maybe could’ve got in anyways isn’t particularly enjoyable. That said we’re talking about something we’ve seen happen like...four times ever? Locking the threads and making sure the ongoing game is at the top to me feels like enough of a safeguard that we don’t even need to formalize what happens. Let the gamerunner decide.
Like Gag orders have always worked. With Cult of Kosmos chat in HvV3 and Illuminati chat in HvV2 If members directly mentioned the existence of it in the main thread, they'd be mod killed. In our case in HvV2 we had a player that was a illuminati hunter and when he confronted us about it, we couldn't directly confirm our group existing.How would this gag order even work ?
What stops me from faking a read check to lynch the player of something similar.
he'll even Salvapot tunneling Zeke was enough to make me think Zeke was scum.
having the player be modkilled means scum loses a slot immediately, and it not happening via them being voted out means there's always a risk more mafia might be voted out before they can use their power.Scum still get to use the night action that night. I fail to see how this is more punishing than the slip in Costume party.
But a modkill does not end the day, this scum could get modkilled then voted out that same phase with no night action inbetween. The slip in costume party didn’t result in a modkill, so there is a clear difference.How would this gag order even work ?
What stops me from faking a read check to lynch the player of something similar.
he'll even Salvapot tunneling Zeke was enough to make me think Zeke was scum.
Scum still get to use the night action that night. I fail to see how this is more punishing than the slip in Costume party.
If anything I think we’ve seen that a gag order doesn’t seem likely to go well. Salva was the one that opted to withhold the info without me asking or telling him to, even going into that voluntarily it frustrated him enough to blow the game up. Having that forced on you is probably not going to be pleasant - hell in HVV3 the flavor slip in Hedin’s PM that Ael caught was extremely frustrating to play against as the cult because we literally couldn’t respond to the points being made without getting ourselves killed. I’m sure there a good half a dozen or more posts of me being very salty about this in our chat lolAlso I’m more against the gag order than I am the replacing out. That’s just unnecessary frustration
LOL I agree honestly, I'm just trying to find alternatives for if a player really doesn't want to replace out. We may also have cases where there will be no replacement anymore or no one can swap in. I guess the better alternative would be a mod kill of the slot but that's worse than replacing someone out. soooooooAlso I’m more against the gag order than I am the replacing out. That’s just unnecessary frustration
having the player be modkilled means scum loses a slot immediately
Keep in mind I don't want a Modkill. I want mods to hide the info if possible. However if a player of a opposing faction finds out before info is hidden I think Mod should tell the thread about it.But a modkill does not end the day
if it happens more than once every other season maybe it'll happen, but ideally it won't ever be a thing.How long until we start metagaming slips into players deep in tunneling.
As I have said many times now, that just makes it worse. It breaks game integrity worse than having to replace one player.Keep in mind I don't want a Modkill. I want mods to hide the info if possible. However if a player of a opposing faction finds out before info is hidden I think Mod should tell the thread about it.
I disagree that it's worse. I'm not sure how to convince you.As I have said many times now, that just makes it worse. It breaks game integrity worse than having to replace one player.
Because you can't. Because I have explained to you, people learning about a roll via outside information breaks the game and makes it unfair for everyone as everyone feels their win might be underserved. The same thing happened when the last scum in conspiracy 2 was mod killed because of rule violations. Town won the game, but no one liked it because it wasn't earned via playing the game.I disagree that it's worse. I'm not sure how to convince you.
That doesn't make you a bad person, but sometimes you have to think about what is better for a game and the fun of the other players.I know it makes me a bad person but I would feel betrayed if a game runner replaces me when I have done no wrong. I would be salty for a long time.
I have a couple cool roles that I'm excited to see what players do with them. I also understand I'm just the designer it's not my role it's the player's role as soon as the game starts.Just imagine... you are a game runner (you have a game you want to run right?) Imagine you are really excited about running a game because you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into it and it has really neat mechanics.
We do not have a moral obligation LOL. Our job as game runners is to be neutral and run games fairly so everyone has fun. Not everyone is going to have fun tho. Yes the town player saw the slip, but our job is to make sure the game isn't compromised so everyone else can enjoy it and hopefully the player is okay with that. ALSO THE ONE WHO SLIPPED DID NOT BREAK ANY RULES. Your asking the slipper to out themselves or be replaced when they didn't break the rule is just as unfair.Like you have a moral obligation to stand with the person who saw the slip. It feels like a betrayal to replace a non rule breaker.
It sucks for the player yeah, but it's better for the game as a whole.I know it makes me a bad person but I would feel betrayed if a game runner replaces me when I have done no wrong. I would be salty for a long time.
I believe posting outside the designated game threads is Already a rule.ALSO THE ONE WHO SLIPPED DID NOT BREAK ANY RULES.
That's a fine perspective to have as a game runner but you still need to consider what is the best way to make the game fun and still be run properly.I have a couple cool roles that I'm excited to see what players do with them. I also understand I'm just the designer it's not my role it's the player's role as soon as the game starts.
I would be disappointed but 100% if a player pulled a Zeke I would let the thread know what happened knowing my cool role won't get used. That's just how it is.
It was made on accident and in the case with Zeke the comment was deleted before anyone besides Salva could see it. Posting on purpose is one thing, but other wise it was a complete mistake and again... the one who slipped is not the one that is compromised.I believe posting outside the designated game threads is Already a rule.
if it's not it should be.
Breaking a rule on accident is still breaking a rule. we disagree on what course of action to take but Zeke Objectively broke a rule.It was made on accident and in the case with Zeke the comment was deleted before anyone besides Salva could see it. Posting on purpose is one thing, but other wise it was a complete mistake and again... the one who slipped is not the one that is compromised.
Even if that's the case, he wasn't the one that needed to be replaced out. The Slipper is not the one that is compromised.Breaking a rule on accident is still breaking a rule. we disagree on what course of action to take but Zeke Objectively broke a rule.
I'm not sure why but this Name is so funny to me.The Slipper
we do have a mafia roll called a Snitch I feel like it'd have a similar mechanic XDI'm not sure why but this Name is so funny to me.
One day someone needs to make a role called "the slipper"
What does the snitch do?we do have a mafia roll called a Snitch I feel like it'd have a similar mechanic XD
A town role that reveals a town power if they get voted out.What does the snitch do?
Don't worry Mario Kart will be very memorable! I won't forget that split second after you exposed Zeke when I thought you and Zeke were scum together and were going for the biggest gambit ever.probably made for a very interesting moment in our Mafiera history.
This is pretty much where I'm at with it. The exact scenario that happened here can be almost completely prevented in the future now by taking the steps we've already agreed to take. If something like this does somehow happen again, where a single player discovers something about Scum or the setup in general via OM, then I suppose the Gamerunner can look at the past situations and decide what to do in that case.That said we’re talking about something we’ve seen happen like...four times ever? Locking the threads and making sure the ongoing game is at the top to me feels like enough of a safeguard that we don’t even need to formalize what happens. Let the gamerunner decide.
Yeah, I do honestly think that some rearrangement here could really help.This is pretty much where I'm at with it. The exact scenario that happened here can be almost completely prevented in the future now by taking the steps we've already agreed to take. If something like this does somehow happen again, where a single player discovers something about Scum or the setup in general via OM, then I suppose the Gamerunner can look at the past situations and decide what to do in that case.
If it's the game thread then it's a Chugg situation where there's nothing we can do. But if it's a gossip thread... I think it'll depend on the game runner but if there is one gossip, then it might be good to replace the gossip >> But you are right that it's a bit different being an official thread.How would you handle a situation where someone slips in an official gossip chat?
I think the main problem in MK was that the slip happened in a completely unrelated thread outside of the game. This means the info is outside of the game and it's pure chance if someone happens to come across it. In such a scenario, I feel if the game state can be saved by replacing just one player, it should be done. But if it happens within the game itself (i.e. a gossip chat / the game thread...) no action should be taken by the game runner and the players should be free to disclose it openly, since the info comes from within the game.
Thinking about it there is very little we can do for slips, and agree that mistakes do happen, but I do think that it is the responsiblity of the poster to make sure they are posting in the right chat, as simple as that.
That said we’re talking about something we’ve seen happen like...four times ever? Locking the threads and making sure the ongoing game is at the top to me feels like enough of a safeguard that we don’t even need to formalize what happens. Let the gamerunner decide.
A slip is a slip, but if it happens outside of official game threads does that really mean it should count especially if it can be removed before it does too much damage?It's pretty simple... Zeke fucked up. A Slip is a slip, he has to live with that. No actions need to be taken.
Trying to salvage the game by replacing others is extremely unfair (e.g. we haven't had a partner game in 1.5 years). We can't assess who actually saw a slip, so punishing those who speak up is only a band-aid at best. I get why some prefer to to sub out the catcher, "preserve the game state" as Sorian puts it, but I don't think that should be the guideline here. Taking action alters the game anyway, there is always someone going away from the game.
In the end do you see a slip as something outside of the game? Or is it just another aspect of getting your shit together as scum? Scum can and should deal with a self-inflicted blow. I don't see a need to intervene from outside at all.
Ultimately I'm with Salva and Nat:
Yes, it counts for me. How can you be sure it didn't do too much damage? What is too much damage? Replacing a gossip and someone else? How about three or four players who saw it? What about the one who saw it and begins to collect in-game evidence? There are too many obscurities *imo*A slip is a slip, but if it happens outside of official game threads does that really mean it should count especially if it can be removed before it does too much damage?
Of course it's not fun, I agree. But that's on the scum. I've made my point above... posting in the right threads is a reasonable requirement we can expect from players. Mistakes don't need to be covered up (I doubt that we can).Not to mention it's never fun when scum slips because it means they weren't found through actual game play. Some players in that game have said as much like The Bear.
I'd point out like I did when you mentioned this before that I always change my OM avatar when I'm in a game even if I have a chat or not or at least I did until I ran Nier. Ever since then i've been popola and I'll probably keep the avatar of whatever game I last ran unless I don't like it anymore.For example I saw lokiduck had changed OM avatar in HvV2 and started to believe it was likely that she was in a secret chat (which was true), I never outed it while the game was on but it did colour my views, should I have been replaced?
Again as I said to chuggs earlier, in my opinions replacement should only be an option when only one person is affected. If it's more than one player or it's in one of the game official threads such as a gossip chat or the main thread, then the scummie is shit out of luck.Yes, it counts for me. How can you be sure it didn't do too much damage? What is too much damage? Replacing a gossip and someone else? How about three or four players who saw it? What about the one who saw it and begins to collect in-game evidence? There are too many obscurities *imo*
Is it still bastard if it's announced to the thread?On an altogether different matter:
Midgame alignment change (ATP's role in horror) is bastard and I'd be grateful if games were marked as those (an issue we've already ran into back in 2016 with WWE mafia).
Thank you for listening and belated happy new year everyone :)
See you sometime
Random Question!
Does this place every do one-night mafia games? Like....get a group of folks together in a forum or a discord chat to play quick ones?
The same as if a mafia player had accidentally posted in the main thread-- it's unfortunate, and an easy mistake to make, but not doing that is just part of playing as mafia. So the player who noticed it should be able to keep playing and even reveal the info
I agree with these two post.I get why some prefer to to sub out the catcher, "preserve the game state" as Sorian puts it, but I don't think that should be the guideline here. Taking action alters the game anyway, there is always someone going away from the game.
I agree remove it before too much damage is done.A slip is a slip, but if it happens outside of official game threads does that really mean it should count especially if it can be removed before it does too much damage?
Not to mention it's never fun when scum slips because it means they weren't found through actual game play. Some players in that game have said as much like The Bear.
Random Question!
Does this place every do one-night mafia games? Like....get a group of folks together in a forum or a discord chat to play quick ones?
i believe it has been done in the past.
We have a couple times played mafia on Discord, and there's also ONUW which can be played on a single 48 hour phase, neither of which has happened in a while.
If anyone starts playing among us make sure to ping me I purchased the game just in case mafia era started playing it.Just adding on to this, the chief reason it hasn't happened more is simply that no one has organized it.* But if you want to see Live Mafia/ONUW/Among Us, be the change you want to see. Go organize it. Personally, I think my schedule is going to FINALLY calm down in a couple weeks, and I'd love to play some Among Us with ya'll.
*A few people did try to get Among Us going, but I kind of wonder if that's a harder sell than live mafia on Discord.
It's still a post intended for a game thread, it's not as if it was completely removed from the act of playing mafia. You're right that it's not fun, but that's just how it goes sometimes. Stu flavor slipped (in a way that made it 100% apparent he was scum) in the game thread, but no one is discussing that. Shit happens.A slip is a slip, but if it happens outside of official game threads does that really mean it should count especially if it can be removed before it does too much damage?
Not to mention it's never fun when scum slips because it means they weren't found through actual game play. Some players in that game have said as much like The Bear.
I'm like 80% certain we had this exact discussion a few years ago in a review thread and the conclusion was that per our community's definition of bastard, an alignment change is not bastard. It's equally as bastard as, say, a godfather in that it can cause misinformation for some players, but it is not the gamerunner overtly lying and purposefully spreading misinformation to anyone. If a player's alignment changed and they were not informed, or if they were told they were a cop but were secretly an insane cop those would be bastard. Our definition is:On an altogether different matter:
Midgame alignment change (ATP's role in horror) is bastard and I'd be grateful if games were marked as those (an issue we've already ran into back in 2016 with WWE mafia).
Thank you for listening and belated happy new year everyone :)
See you sometime
Okay, so, about this!Random Question!
Does this place every do one-night mafia games? Like....get a group of folks together in a forum or a discord chat to play quick ones?