Nothing she's done has immediately stood out to me as remotely scummy.
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Nothing she's done has immediately stood out to me as remotely scummy.
I'd say if sawneeks flips town, I'd probably go for a muffin / geno Lynch.
Are you expecting me to have a 100% streak? I make mistakes too you know.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Can you explain to me why ScumGeno kills Natiko and Apollo?
Can you explain why scum Natiko did the same to town?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
What?
It's easy for scum to throw other scum under the bus for a means to an end. That's no excuse
Look at Natikos track record. He didn't always aim for town. Mixed scum in there to hide a trail
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Your point is completely moot as Natiko did it with scum that was already redchecked.
In your fantasy Geno kills completely flying under the radar Apollo and shoots Natiko without anything really incriminating them?
Scum throwing scum under the bus is one thing. Scum directly killing scum is another.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Geno was literally the first to tell everybody Natiko shouldn't be assumed as 100% town because of Include, and ITAed him, but "the Natiko kill wasn't intentional"? Really?
I understand that you all are mad with Genos latest role claim bait, but you're using the most ridiculous arguments to somehow make Geno scum.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I'm just bringing up ideas. I don't actually believe it myself. Geno is probably town.
Sawneeks
little green dog
rac already mentioned it but I dislike how you're passing the blame for the shot choice on to someone else. Why bandwagon?
It sort of isn't? Not sure why nobody has asked him what his targets were.
@BladeSymphony What were your past protection ttargets?
Frustratingly no. His reaction of making the gambit, sheepishly backing down and saying he didn't ruin the game, and then coming back much later still feeling strongly of his position but not pushing it as much feels genuine. I'd say keep an eye on him but I don't think he is Scum.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Let's not line up lunches. There's a lot of players left and town-town is still possible.
rac
whatever
too bad terra isn't here to explain to us that geno would definitely buss his scummates
interesting thing that, geno going after the person who would most know what scum geno would play like
and in an event where both geno and terra are in apollo chooses to kill terra after getting fucked over by geno
Swamped - Leaning scum. I've explained why a few times already.
faircure - Leaning scum. DCPat distancing himself from her after passing her the antidote really doesn't make sense if faircure is townie.
Extreme Tactician - He only has his ITA history to show in terms of seemingly townie behavior. Very wary of him.
Poltergust - Bad gut feeling. Can't really expand on it right now.
Kalor - Bad ITA history, not much to show after subbing in. I really wanna look into hom3land's posts later.
Sawneeks - She has one of those claims that activate the worst type of WIFOM in my brain - balance WIFOM. It's awful. I'm wary of her, but the forced way with which Geno brought her into contention earlier today actually makes me feel a little better about her.
Muffin - I've never seen town!Muffin, so it's hard for me to use meta to read him. But the way he got dragged into that argument with Monkey over the Alexem lynch and then had to spend a lot of time defending himself reminds me so much of stuff that happened in HvV and Monopoly. I'm keeping him at arm's length.
StanleyPalmtree - Seems like town!Stan. Lots of shade on everyone; concrete contributions, not so much. We're literally a world apart in terms of timezones and I always end up forgetting to ISO him because he's not here. Can't really say either way.
LuxCommander - Weird claim timing, but his check on me last night seems to confirm at least his role. Keeping at arm's length as well, but I trust him a little more than I do Muffin or Stan.
CoolestSpot - He hasn't really contributed. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Coolest was faking the whole silenced thing. His behavior after the Greed event gave me good vibes, but I don't have a read on him.
The long list of people I can't even really comment on right now:
briefs_cat
BladeSymphony
Lone_Prodigy
oreomunsta
Zubz
NeckToChicken
rac - His power feels very townish considering Rynam's flip. At worst, neutral.
Kawl - Green-checked, and targeted by at least two weird ITA shots. Not much other than that to comment on, but I'm still keeping him in this group.
Blargonaut - With the information we have from Kawl and melon, it's hard to believe he's scum. But mechanics are the only thing he has going for him. He could be a scum armorer for all we know, since melon's BP ended up taken from her in the end. Leaning town, unfortunately.
Fandorin - Town!Fandorin is usually all up in my face, which he isn't in this game, but I'm still getting town vibes from him. I get some frustration from his posts, which I'm feeling as well. He's one of out of two possibilties for scum in the Greed event, and probably the likeliest one, but I'm still townreading him.
Ynnek7 - Town.
VOTE: Swamped
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Geno - The thing with Geno is that all of his best plays feel unnatural. His scumreads don't come up in the thread organically - they just happen out of nowhere. He immediately jumped at Grizzly when the day started. He shot Natiko out of nowhere on D3 despite the fact that Include was red-checked at the time. He gave Kawl the antidote, killing Apollo, out of nowhere.
I can't shake the feeling that he's always using privileged information to stay one step ahead of the rest of the thread - like, as mentioned above, when he took a shot at a different scum when town was focused on Include.
Had Geno built cases to support his scumreads, I wouldn't be saying this. But the stuff he's gotten right so far, to me, all seem based on stuff he didn't communicate to the rest of the thread. Yes, I realize that his history should usually make me townread him, but it seems like I respect him too much for that. And this game is absolutely perfect for scum to use the Mega Bus Driver strategy. You can bus three or four of your companions to death right off the bat and still have 5 or 6 leftover companions. He shot at Natiko, but we already know that at least three other scum players had taken ITA shots at their companions before he that.
On top of that, there's two other things that caught my attention:
- He reacted to Include's ITA shot at him like she had murdered his children. It was way overboard. It makes me think more of fabricated conflict than genuine frustration.
- When the antidote event happened, Geno had already established himself as a powerful townie. And yet Apollo chose to kill Terraforce instead of him, despite the fact that Geno was the one who left Apollo to die.
Geno will probably read all of this and be mad at me, but please see it this way: if I'm wrong, consider this one hell of a compliment - you'd be playing so well as town that I can't even see your movements.
I don't want to vote Geno today. I'm still mulling all of this and entertaining the possibility that I really am just being stupid. But I wanted to write this down before EoD either way.
Time for Brazil in the WC quarter finals. I'll be back before EoD.
faircure - Leaning scum. DCPat distancing himself from her after passing her the antidote really doesn't make sense if faircure is townie.
Extreme Tactician - He only has his ITA history to show in terms of seemingly townie behavior. Very wary of him.
Poltergust - Bad gut feeling. Can't really expand on it right now.
Kalor - Bad ITA history, not much to show after subbing in. I really wanna look into hom3land's posts later.
Sawneeks - She has one of those claims that activate the worst type of WIFOM in my brain - balance WIFOM. It's awful. I'm wary of her, but the forced way with which Geno brought her into contention earlier today actually makes me feel a little better about her.
Muffin - I've never seen town!Muffin, so it's hard for me to use meta to read him. But the way he got dragged into that argument with Monkey over the Alexem lynch and then had to spend a lot of time defending himself reminds me so much of stuff that happened in HvV and Monopoly. I'm keeping him at arm's length.
StanleyPalmtree - Seems like town!Stan. Lots of shade on everyone; concrete contributions, not so much. We're literally a world apart in terms of timezones and I always end up forgetting to ISO him because he's not here. Can't really say either way.
LuxCommander - Weird claim timing, but his check on me last night seems to confirm at least his role. Keeping at arm's length as well, but I trust him a little more than I do Muffin or Stan.
CoolestSpot - He hasn't really contributed. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Coolest was faking the whole silenced thing. His behavior after the Greed event gave me good vibes, but I don't have a read on him.
The long list of people I can't even really comment on right now:
briefs_cat
BladeSymphony
Lone_Prodigy
oreomunsta
Zubz
NeckToChicken
rac - His power feels very townish considering Rynam's flip. At worst, neutral.
Kawl - Green-checked, and targeted by at least two weird ITA shots. Not much other than that to comment on, but I'm still keeping him in this group.
Blargonaut - With the information we have from Kawl and melon, it's hard to believe he's scum. But mechanics are the only thing he has going for him. He could be a scum armorer for all we know, since melon's BP ended up taken from her in the end. Leaning town, unfortunately.
Fandorin - Town!Fandorin is usually all up in my face, which he isn't in this game, but I'm still getting town vibes from him. I get some frustration from his posts, which I'm feeling as well. He's one of out of two possibilties for scum in the Greed event, and probably the likeliest one, but I'm still townreading him.
Ynnek7 - Town.
VOTE: Swamped
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Geno - The thing with Geno is that all of his best plays feel unnatural. His scumreads don't come up in the thread organically - they just happen out of nowhere. He immediately jumped at Grizzly when the day started. He shot Natiko out of nowhere on D3 despite the fact that Include was red-checked at the time. He gave Kawl the antidote, killing Apollo, out of nowhere.
I can't shake the feeling that he's always using privileged information to stay one step ahead of the rest of the thread - like, as mentioned above, when he took a shot at a different scum when town was focused on Include.
Had Geno built cases to support his scumreads, I wouldn't be saying this. But the stuff he's gotten right so far, to me, all seem based on stuff he didn't communicate to the rest of the thread. Yes, I realize that his history should usually make me townread him, but it seems like I respect him too much for that. And this game is absolutely perfect for scum to use the Mega Bus Driver strategy. You can bus three or four of your companions to death right off the bat and still have 5 or 6 leftover companions. He shot at Natiko, but we already know that at least three other scum players had taken ITA shots at their companions before he that.
On top of that, there's two other things that caught my attention:
- He reacted to Include's ITA shot at him like she had murdered his children. It was way overboard. It makes me think more of fabricated conflict than genuine frustration.
- When the antidote event happened, Geno had already established himself as a powerful townie. And yet Apollo chose to kill Terraforce instead of him, despite the fact that Geno was the one who left Apollo to die.
Geno will probably read all of this and be mad at me, but please see it this way: if I'm wrong, consider this one hell of a compliment - you'd be playing so well as town that I can't even see your movements.
I don't want to vote Geno today. I'm still mulling all of this and entertaining the possibility that I really am just being stupid. But I wanted to write this down before EoD either way.
Time for Brazil in the WC quarter finals. I'll be back before EoD.
@LuxCommander why did you target me last night, by the way? It slipped my mind to ask you earlier.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Claimed:
BladeSymphony: Some sort of Protection Role
Ynnek: Heartthrob. Secret Admirer was Stuart.
Blargonaut: BP Giver
Faircure: Vanilla
Sawneeks: Adrenalin Junkie
Coolest: Was an Item Copier/Now Vanilla
Lux: Motion Detector/ 1-shot Kill on JubJub
Kawl: At least 1-shot BP (he claimed 2 BP earlier so can find that if needed, he just had a ton of posts)
Not Claimed:
Swamped
Fandorin
Neck
Zubz
Kalor
Oreo
Polter
Extreme
Brazil
LP
Muffin
Geno (flavor is Batman)
Stan
rac
Briefs
So JUST focusing on Claims right now I still have the biggest issue with Blarg's. The problem is, it's technically confirmed unless Melon was lying and I doubt she was now that she has been confirmed Town. Also doubt Scum has TWO fake BP Vest Givers given Inclue already had that ability. The only way a Scum!Blarg works is if Scum have their own BP Vest Giver which...seems weird? My only other thought is Blarg is some sort of neutral who needs to give out Vests to win but that's mostly me trying to reconcile his play with his Role. If he is Town I really hope he becomes more consistent in play at least, his current actions aren't helping.
Blade's claim is also odd in retrospect. Had no real reason to give out that info and happened to anyway. Would like him to answer my above question.
Geno being Batman still throws things into a fun flavor problem. The OP even mentions that all heroes are going to be MCU or Ultimate related. But at the same time if you're gonna throw in a DC character i guess Batman makes sense the most? Meh.
BladeSymphony: Some sort of Protection Role
Ynnek: Heartthrob. Secret Admirer was Stuart.
Blargonaut: BP Giver
Faircure: Vanilla
Sawneeks: Adrenalin Junkie
Coolest: Was an Item Copier/Now Vanilla
Lux: Motion Detector/ 1-shot Kill on JubJub
Kawl: At least 1-shot BP (he claimed 2 BP earlier so can find that if needed, he just had a ton of posts)
Not Claimed:
Swamped
Fandorin
Neck
Zubz
Kalor
Oreo
Polter
Extreme
Brazil
LP
Muffin
Geno (flavor is Batman)
Stan
rac
Briefs
So JUST focusing on Claims right now I still have the biggest issue with Blarg's. The problem is, it's technically confirmed unless Melon was lying and I doubt she was now that she has been confirmed Town. Also doubt Scum has TWO fake BP Vest Givers given Inclue already had that ability. The only way a Scum!Blarg works is if Scum have their own BP Vest Giver which...seems weird? My only other thought is Blarg is some sort of neutral who needs to give out Vests to win but that's mostly me trying to reconcile his play with his Role. If he is Town I really hope he becomes more consistent in play at least, his current actions aren't helping.
Blade's claim is also odd in retrospect. Had no real reason to give out that info and happened to anyway. Would like him to answer my above question.
Geno being Batman still throws things into a fun flavor problem. The OP even mentions that all heroes are going to be MCU or Ultimate related. But at the same time if you're gonna throw in a DC character i guess Batman makes sense the most? Meh.
rac
whatever
hey it happens
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Didn't we already have two dead scum with very similar powers or am I remembering wrong?
Also thinking about flavor at all doesn't help anyone.
That’s a cool read. And I call bullshit that I’m your third most town read player but ok.
Bolded is really interesting; who’s the other possibility for scum in the Greed event?
Well fuck this game for 90 minutes. It’s Brazil time.
Sawneeks
little green dog
<3 <3 <3
You'd have to look, I don't remember.
And hey, I'm throwing everything out. :u
Didn't Blarg also claim Cap? Or did he claim Winter Soldier?
rac
whatever
well i didn't think about multiple caps, extreme said they were steve rogers i believe
rac
whatever
im sorry but imma keep harping on this for a sec
does no one else think this is strange? lp or briefscat and maybe me
Yes, I certainly didn’t end up taking a shot at a townie. Totally absolved.
Come on now.
Oh and there clearly would have been a consequence on success, given your gnashing of teeth over losing it.
I was asked why I shot. You want me to conjure some deep reasoning where there wasn’t any to ease your mind? I trust a confirmed town’s decision more than any poor target I could come up with... you know, like trying to shoot the stranger which was lauded as “a shot with no consequences”. I certainly followed the leader there.
“I decided to” is totally passing the blame language too.
When in that post did I speak about categories, in the past few posts you've been putting words in my mouth. Stop.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I'm speaking about categories, I know you aren't. When you have a post that mentions LP, briefs and rac, it's just that one of them is the odd one out.
rac
whatever
have you ever even mentioned me since ive been here
Sawneeks
little green dog
Working on a Reads List but in the meantime:
Blarg were you serious about this?
Hey Brazil, can I ask why you made these posts but then came around and felt I was possibly Townie? These posts make it seem like you are Scum Reading far more than your Reads List says.
No, I don't want you to fabricate a reason but following the reason of another person is still taking the blame off of yourself. Sure you decided to follow him but later on, if the shot fucked up, you can still come back and say 'well i was just following what they said' to brush it right off you.
My follow up would be why decide to follow Zeke now after he flips on not last Phase? Did you not trust him then?
Blarg were you serious about this?
Hey Brazil, can I ask why you made these posts but then came around and felt I was possibly Townie? These posts make it seem like you are Scum Reading far more than your Reads List says.
No, I don't want you to fabricate a reason but following the reason of another person is still taking the blame off of yourself. Sure you decided to follow him but later on, if the shot fucked up, you can still come back and say 'well i was just following what they said' to brush it right off you.
My follow up would be why decide to follow Zeke now after he flips on not last Phase? Did you not trust him then?
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Did you ever say why you suspected me?
*Sigh*
With the amount of players I can't get a grasp on, I'm not too worried about ranking my townreads. Either way, I just don't have the energy to scumread you right now.
And, well, obviously the other possibility for scum in that event is the only other player who's still alive - Coolest. Monkey, Zeke, Gorlak and Alexem have already flipped town.
He was the third to claim to have reached out for the cop check. Since my theory about Zeke was wrong, I have to consider the possibility that scum did try sacrificing their power to get a strong kill.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Ok this reallyreallyreally sucks because I had actually typed out a lot regarding Muffin, and Natiko's interactions with him. Then when I pressed 'post' the website forced me to refresh and everything disappeared so I'm in a really bad mood now. Here is the conclusion though:
I take back my scumread on Muffin. I initially had a sense of unease with Muffin because I couldn't recall any of the flipped scum interacting with him much, which I thought curious given that Muffin actually posts quite a bit (but scummates generally keep some distance). Natiko was the only exception, and I looked through his posts carefully and had even linked and quoted them so I'm even more annoyed. But basically, those interactions don't seem like scum/scum. Natiko calls Muffin neutral at one point which is really odd. Basically, Natiko's posts with Muffin feel like a mafia member picking a random player and building an argument around them with whatever they can find. What I thought was really odd was that Natiko spent so much time on Muffin on D3, and yet NZJubJub was still his top 'scum' read, but he never spent much effort on that read. It could be that he was saving his Muffin read for D4 (and we know that Natiko did vote for him today).
So yeah, I lean town on Muffin after all that.
Also, bonus from D1 but may not mean much, post 1313 from Grizzly asks Muffin "why vote for Rynam instead of NtC" which could be a subtle hint to save his teammate. So to me, this pushes NtC into slightly town, but I haven't read him recently.
I take back my scumread on Muffin. I initially had a sense of unease with Muffin because I couldn't recall any of the flipped scum interacting with him much, which I thought curious given that Muffin actually posts quite a bit (but scummates generally keep some distance). Natiko was the only exception, and I looked through his posts carefully and had even linked and quoted them so I'm even more annoyed. But basically, those interactions don't seem like scum/scum. Natiko calls Muffin neutral at one point which is really odd. Basically, Natiko's posts with Muffin feel like a mafia member picking a random player and building an argument around them with whatever they can find. What I thought was really odd was that Natiko spent so much time on Muffin on D3, and yet NZJubJub was still his top 'scum' read, but he never spent much effort on that read. It could be that he was saving his Muffin read for D4 (and we know that Natiko did vote for him today).
So yeah, I lean town on Muffin after all that.
Also, bonus from D1 but may not mean much, post 1313 from Grizzly asks Muffin "why vote for Rynam instead of NtC" which could be a subtle hint to save his teammate. So to me, this pushes NtC into slightly town, but I haven't read him recently.
Several of your posts have rubbed me the wrong way and seemed off
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
If we believe Brazil's analysis, unpredictable town is usually good to keep around.
I still stand by what I said in the first post you quoted. DCPat didn't really do anything drastic during the entire game to warrant a 180º like the one in your reads.
But the stuff I mentioned in the second post regarding DCPat distancing himself from faircure is, I think, a lot more telling. Even if indirectly, the fact that faircure was the one trying to put you under scrutiny makes me feel a little better about you.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Fair enough.
I've been thinking that they role coped me night 1. But don't have much to back it up besides me pushing for Splinter, Verelios and Grizzly who all were scum.
OK, I haven't looked at this thread since yesterday evening. Time to catch up.
Melon dying and being revealed as town is unfortunate. I wonder how Ezekel would've reacted to that. This does make my case against Blarg much weaker, though. I suppose I should expend my efforts elsewhere.
That 3rd ITA phase being as quiet as it is is just embarrassing. We seriously have 6 people who didn't take a shot today? The more info we can get via role PMs and shots taken, the better it is for town even if some of town die as a result. I'm starting to get worried about the direction the game is taking if we can't even get a significant chunk of players to do something so basic.
I'll be back in a couple of hours to go into more detail on my leanings. I have something very important that I need to do today and can't let this game distract me.
Melon dying and being revealed as town is unfortunate. I wonder how Ezekel would've reacted to that. This does make my case against Blarg much weaker, though. I suppose I should expend my efforts elsewhere.
That 3rd ITA phase being as quiet as it is is just embarrassing. We seriously have 6 people who didn't take a shot today? The more info we can get via role PMs and shots taken, the better it is for town even if some of town die as a result. I'm starting to get worried about the direction the game is taking if we can't even get a significant chunk of players to do something so basic.
I'll be back in a couple of hours to go into more detail on my leanings. I have something very important that I need to do today and can't let this game distract me.
Sure, join me on Sawneeks.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Not gonna address the Scum Reads on you?
Sawneeks
little green dog
Yea sorry if i wasn’t on mobile i could try to go grab them but I’m traveling till day end. but with the player count getting to a reasonable amount I’ll try to put in some actual work here soon doing some iso and what not.
Like I don’t want to scum read swamped after stuff like this because she’s better than this as scum right
Mafia team, I thought that was obvious.
Sawneeks
little green dog
That's what I thought but I guess I don't get why that would be an issue for them to have trouble pushing against you.
I mean definitely some people are pushing for geno right now...
Do you mean why didn’t I follow him Day 3? Because I wanted to remove the unknown factor of that day, the stranger. How ya doin, rac.
If you mean “Why did you use your shot before the last ITA phase”: I see no reason to sit on my shot if I’ve already decided on a target. If my shot kills, someone else’s target changes, and hopefully for the better.
A query back: why do you consistently fire phase 2?
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
I guess the only thing I see is Brazil's concern about my voting no lynch on D1 in the thunderdome? I really did think it was a scum power that could target two townies. I didn't think there was any point in voting either of them off.
With regards to Alexem, I strongly townread him after his claim and his reaction to other people's reactions to it. It just oozed towniness lol
And with regards to Muffin, I take back my scum read.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
...Alexem is dead
rac
whatever
not great
maybe you could have confirmed if it was actually an unknown factor with the rest of the thread
especially since ya know a scum pr already flipped with a power very similar
i mean what are the odds that scum would have two pr that are almost(?) identical
Sawneeks
little green dog
I know that, I just find his sudden comment odd. He's essentially saying 'Scum have info on me but are too scared to act on it EXCEPT FOR NOW'. It was just sudden and weird.
It was more the former. Thank you for the answer though.
I actually didn't realize it was always Phase 2 lol. I'd shoot Phase 1 but that's when I'm sleeping and Phase 2 is typically when I'm at work and have a chance to put a command in if the time allows it.
Sawneeks
little green dog
1. briefs_cat: Hardly anything. He did come in and vote melon for lying about what he initially came in and said. Has since not done too much. Null. Sort of Town Read him on pure gut though. :x
2. rac: Claimed control of a Costume Role. Don't think Scum has two of those so I feel Town.
3. BladeSymphony: Claimed protection role. Going off my previous reads list and skimming some of his current posts I'm kinda feeling Townie here.
4. StanleyPalmtree: Snarky and sassy. He comes in and gives his opinions which I generally agree with. Will need to ISO for a full look but I feel Town here.
5. Geno: Frustratingly I feel he is Town or, at the worst, Neutral. Don't think his emotional outbursts and responses to things are faked as they feel genuine. He did kill 2 Scum which does not have as much weight here given Scum have bussed multiple times already. Will keep an eye on but, honestly, I think he is Town. Call it gut.
6. Muffin: Going off of today and my previous Reads List I still feel Muffin is either Scum or Neutral. He only pops in when he is under fire or when he does come in outside of that he has issues giving out proper reads on people. Also dislike how quickly he jumped in with Geno on attacking me as I felt that was easy for him to justify with BS meta 'reasons', though I think I'm biased there. Do want to ISO if I have the time but I don't trust him.
7. Ynnek: Claimed Heartthrob, Stuart was his Secret Admirer. Unless Sorian decided to have a laugh I think he is Town.
8. Lone_Prodigy: He's been here more than Briefs but it's a similar case of 'there is hardly stuff to go over'. Null but I want to ISO him. Kinda lean Town on him for a Gut read though??
9. Blargonaut: The forever enigma. Claimed BP Vest Giver. His actions outside of his claim do not feel Town. He throws out targets and scum reads without backing them up and doesn't give reasons for them. Never follows up on reads from the previous Day Phase either and just sort of posts whenever he wants with whatever he wants. Town!Blarg typically has a cohesive thought process in his reads and attacks, they aren't here this time. Scum Read but it conflicts with his claim too much.
10. Faircure: There's been a lot more noise around Faircure today and I honestly want a deeper look myself. Going to try and ISO her but my initial thoughts/gut is Town. I think her willingness to claim during the Event was genuine and I Town Read it hard.
11. Brazil: Someone I need to read more in-depth as well. I highly appreciate his ISOs and color-coded vote counts (especially now with Gorlak gone) and genuinely agree with them and find no issue in the thought process. Town Lean for now but I want a closer look.
12. Extreme Tactician: One of the reasons I pause when considering ET as Scum is he was the first person, outside of Geno, to point out that Include switched herself and Natiko when she previously didn't say much on him. He says this twice, even clarifying to Blarg. HOWEVER, he does not follow up on this thought and it dies away. Not sure if it's Scummates picking out pieces of info for townie points or simply finding something at fault with the claim. Kinda want to ISO him again but that nitpick really feels Town to me.
13. Sawneeks: Clearly a Scum Adrenalin Junkie, just ask Geno!
14. CoolestSpot: Feeling Town here. His sacrifice of his Role had to have happened or else the Greed Event would not have worked and I think his role, claim, and comments surrounding that are genuine. Town Read.
15. LuxCommander: Claimed Motion Detector/Watcher. Would need to reread again to get a handle on him outside of the claim but, simply based on that, I Town Lean him.
16. Poltergust: Going off of previous reads list I do remember feeling he was genuinely lost and trying to find his way on Day 1. Would like to ISO as well but I Town Lean him.
17. Oreomunsta: Now that he is here more I want to take a full look. I don't remember much standing out from him and that somewhat worries me. Unsure.
18. Kalor: Also here more compared to the last time. Biased here but I appreciate him calling out Geno's BS since he was one of the first to do it. Want to ISO.
19. Zubz: Again a past reads list but he gave a strong town read of Monkey VERY early in the game, danced around making choices like deciding on what to do in the TD. He only voted in that after Melon called him a hypocrite and he ended with a vote on Splinter for that for...some reason. He did say this was because he was afraid Melon was baiting him. He was very concerned for his own safety there and oddly ended up on Splinter. Also said that he was going to go after melon post-Mazre but did not do much with that. Scum.
20. Kawl: Would need to ISO to get a full read on him which...would be impossible, he posts a TON. Still think there may be something around Day 1 given he lied over the Thunderdome and all the D1 lynch choices were Scum. Claims some sort of BP as well. Unsure....?
21. NeckToChicken: Someone else to ISO but I want to see where my current conversation with him goes.
22. Fandorin: Similar to his brother I really appreciate the work he has put in. I generally agree with what he says and feel pretty good about him, but I would need to reread him for specifics. For now willing to say Town.
23. Swamped: Waiting for Brazil's analysis (i'm lazy in some aspects, sorry) to read over that but my general feeling of Swamped is very laid back. She kinda pops in and does her own thing when she wants/has time. I don't particularly remember anything Scummy from her....or really anything Townie for that matter. Think as Scum she'd put more into the game though.
Need to ISO: Blade, Stan, Muffin, LP, Faircure, Brazil, Lux, Polter, Oreo, Kalor, Neck
Town: Fandorin, Poltergust, Lux, Coolest, ET, Brazil, Faircure, LP?, Ynnek, Geno, Stan, Blade?, rac
Scum: Zubz, Blarg???, Muffin?,
Unsure: Kawl, Swamped
Now gonna grab a snack and then start some of those ISOs. brb
2. rac: Claimed control of a Costume Role. Don't think Scum has two of those so I feel Town.
3. BladeSymphony: Claimed protection role. Going off my previous reads list and skimming some of his current posts I'm kinda feeling Townie here.
4. StanleyPalmtree: Snarky and sassy. He comes in and gives his opinions which I generally agree with. Will need to ISO for a full look but I feel Town here.
5. Geno: Frustratingly I feel he is Town or, at the worst, Neutral. Don't think his emotional outbursts and responses to things are faked as they feel genuine. He did kill 2 Scum which does not have as much weight here given Scum have bussed multiple times already. Will keep an eye on but, honestly, I think he is Town. Call it gut.
6. Muffin: Going off of today and my previous Reads List I still feel Muffin is either Scum or Neutral. He only pops in when he is under fire or when he does come in outside of that he has issues giving out proper reads on people. Also dislike how quickly he jumped in with Geno on attacking me as I felt that was easy for him to justify with BS meta 'reasons', though I think I'm biased there. Do want to ISO if I have the time but I don't trust him.
7. Ynnek: Claimed Heartthrob, Stuart was his Secret Admirer. Unless Sorian decided to have a laugh I think he is Town.
8. Lone_Prodigy: He's been here more than Briefs but it's a similar case of 'there is hardly stuff to go over'. Null but I want to ISO him. Kinda lean Town on him for a Gut read though??
9. Blargonaut: The forever enigma. Claimed BP Vest Giver. His actions outside of his claim do not feel Town. He throws out targets and scum reads without backing them up and doesn't give reasons for them. Never follows up on reads from the previous Day Phase either and just sort of posts whenever he wants with whatever he wants. Town!Blarg typically has a cohesive thought process in his reads and attacks, they aren't here this time. Scum Read but it conflicts with his claim too much.
10. Faircure: There's been a lot more noise around Faircure today and I honestly want a deeper look myself. Going to try and ISO her but my initial thoughts/gut is Town. I think her willingness to claim during the Event was genuine and I Town Read it hard.
11. Brazil: Someone I need to read more in-depth as well. I highly appreciate his ISOs and color-coded vote counts (especially now with Gorlak gone) and genuinely agree with them and find no issue in the thought process. Town Lean for now but I want a closer look.
12. Extreme Tactician: One of the reasons I pause when considering ET as Scum is he was the first person, outside of Geno, to point out that Include switched herself and Natiko when she previously didn't say much on him. He says this twice, even clarifying to Blarg. HOWEVER, he does not follow up on this thought and it dies away. Not sure if it's Scummates picking out pieces of info for townie points or simply finding something at fault with the claim. Kinda want to ISO him again but that nitpick really feels Town to me.
13. Sawneeks: Clearly a Scum Adrenalin Junkie, just ask Geno!
14. CoolestSpot: Feeling Town here. His sacrifice of his Role had to have happened or else the Greed Event would not have worked and I think his role, claim, and comments surrounding that are genuine. Town Read.
15. LuxCommander: Claimed Motion Detector/Watcher. Would need to reread again to get a handle on him outside of the claim but, simply based on that, I Town Lean him.
16. Poltergust: Going off of previous reads list I do remember feeling he was genuinely lost and trying to find his way on Day 1. Would like to ISO as well but I Town Lean him.
17. Oreomunsta: Now that he is here more I want to take a full look. I don't remember much standing out from him and that somewhat worries me. Unsure.
18. Kalor: Also here more compared to the last time. Biased here but I appreciate him calling out Geno's BS since he was one of the first to do it. Want to ISO.
19. Zubz: Again a past reads list but he gave a strong town read of Monkey VERY early in the game, danced around making choices like deciding on what to do in the TD. He only voted in that after Melon called him a hypocrite and he ended with a vote on Splinter for that for...some reason. He did say this was because he was afraid Melon was baiting him. He was very concerned for his own safety there and oddly ended up on Splinter. Also said that he was going to go after melon post-Mazre but did not do much with that. Scum.
20. Kawl: Would need to ISO to get a full read on him which...would be impossible, he posts a TON. Still think there may be something around Day 1 given he lied over the Thunderdome and all the D1 lynch choices were Scum. Claims some sort of BP as well. Unsure....?
21. NeckToChicken: Someone else to ISO but I want to see where my current conversation with him goes.
22. Fandorin: Similar to his brother I really appreciate the work he has put in. I generally agree with what he says and feel pretty good about him, but I would need to reread him for specifics. For now willing to say Town.
23. Swamped: Waiting for Brazil's analysis (i'm lazy in some aspects, sorry) to read over that but my general feeling of Swamped is very laid back. She kinda pops in and does her own thing when she wants/has time. I don't particularly remember anything Scummy from her....or really anything Townie for that matter. Think as Scum she'd put more into the game though.
Need to ISO: Blade, Stan, Muffin, LP, Faircure, Brazil, Lux, Polter, Oreo, Kalor, Neck
Town: Fandorin, Poltergust, Lux, Coolest, ET, Brazil, Faircure, LP?, Ynnek, Geno, Stan, Blade?, rac
Scum: Zubz, Blarg???, Muffin?,
Unsure: Kawl, Swamped
Now gonna grab a snack and then start some of those ISOs. brb
So going back and reading that convo it’s about why scum haven’t killed him yet. And I think it’s a soft of sorts am I misreading?
Sawneeks
little green dog
Sawneeks
little green dog
Vote Tool has it all at the bottom. You have 192 posts total.
Sawneeks
little green dog
:'(
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
This is untrue and easily disproven. I've literally spent the end of last day and the beginning of this day looking at people who started the Alexem train, not because I was "dragged into that discussion" as Brazil earlier put it, but because I was scumhunting. I started that and put effort into reading those people, and turned out right, scum was hiding in there.
I'm not coming in and "defend myself" I find it surprising that anybody even thinks so. People aren't giving me reasons they're scumreading me and vote me. They argue about my scumreads. "Defending" those isn't the same as defending myself.
Sawneeks
little green dog
oreomunsta ISO:
Day 1:
Day 2:
Day 3:
All-in-all Oreo doesn't have a ton of posts that aren't small comments or jokes (those I left out of here). Find it interesting he went to Splinter in the TD despite not having a strong feeling towards either Player. I say this considering we know Scum have bussed multiple times so far so I'm amusing the idea that this was purposeful, similar to the Rynam vote here.
However, his theory for the NKs is kinda silly and I appreciate it even if I don't particularly agree with it. It actually makes me Town Lean on him a bit just because that's a very odd theory for a Scum Player to just throw out randomly and ask for thoughts on. He does mention he would follow up on it but never does though.
The jump on Swamped because of 'bad feelings' is whatever, as is the extra comment on Brazil's read being part of the reason for it.
Think here I'd lean....Town. Just slightly though.
Day 1:
Day 2:
Day 3:
All-in-all Oreo doesn't have a ton of posts that aren't small comments or jokes (those I left out of here). Find it interesting he went to Splinter in the TD despite not having a strong feeling towards either Player. I say this considering we know Scum have bussed multiple times so far so I'm amusing the idea that this was purposeful, similar to the Rynam vote here.
However, his theory for the NKs is kinda silly and I appreciate it even if I don't particularly agree with it. It actually makes me Town Lean on him a bit just because that's a very odd theory for a Scum Player to just throw out randomly and ask for thoughts on. He does mention he would follow up on it but never does though.
The jump on Swamped because of 'bad feelings' is whatever, as is the extra comment on Brazil's read being part of the reason for it.
Think here I'd lean....Town. Just slightly though.
Well ain’t this the Yoshi calling the koopa troopa green
Sawneeks
little green dog
LP ISO:
Day 1:
Day 2:
Day 3:
If Oreo had little, LP has even less than that. Doesn't explain the melon vote, doesn't explain why he wouldn't shoot Geno, shoots Swamped for no reason, completely unclear if he believes my claim or not.
He has actively done nothing. If he's Town he is a body that isn't doing anything and if he's Scum then he's skirting the low posting line so hard to not let anyone get a read on him.
Complete Null. If I had a gun to my head I'd say maybe Town given his questions on Day 2 and clear inability to catch up or stay current with the thread but that's only at the most extreme. If Town he really needs to pick up his game.
Day 1:
Day 2:
Day 3:
If Oreo had little, LP has even less than that. Doesn't explain the melon vote, doesn't explain why he wouldn't shoot Geno, shoots Swamped for no reason, completely unclear if he believes my claim or not.
He has actively done nothing. If he's Town he is a body that isn't doing anything and if he's Scum then he's skirting the low posting line so hard to not let anyone get a read on him.
Complete Null. If I had a gun to my head I'd say maybe Town given his questions on Day 2 and clear inability to catch up or stay current with the thread but that's only at the most extreme. If Town he really needs to pick up his game.
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
briefs_cat (3 votes)
kalor - #6197
luxcommander - #6199 #6201
stanleypalmtree - #6524
zubz - #6571
sawneeks (2 votes)
geno - #6439
muffin - #6452
swamped (1 votes)
oreomunsta - #6539
brazil - #6620 #6623
extreme tactician (1 votes)
rac - #6190
kalor (1 votes)
kawl - #6458
zubz (1 votes)
sawneeks - #6617
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
melonrabbit - #5826 #6498
stanleypalmtree - #5862 #6524
muffin (0 votes)
natiko - #5824 #6503
blargonaut (0 votes)
zubz - #5811 #6571
natiko (0 votes)
bladesymphony - #5893 #6125
Post Counts:
muffin: 95 blargonaut: 76 sawneeks: 68 brazil: 64 geno: 58 melonrabbit: 57 heymonkey: 48 fandorin: 45 kalor: 44 sorian: 44 kawl: 36 ezekelrage: 33 extreme tactician: 33 rac: 33 poltergust: 24 natiko: 22 stanleypalmtree: 20 bladesymphony: 19 faircure: 19 zubz: 15 luxcommander: 15 oreomunsta: 14 coolestspot: 13 lone_prodigy: 12 briefs_cat: 9 swamped: 8 necktochicken: 7 gorlak: 2 grizzly: 1 ynnek7: 1
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Day Start
briefs_cat (3 votes)
kalor - #6197
stanleypalmtree - #6524
zubz - #6571
sawneeks (2 votes)
geno - #6439
muffin - #6452
swamped (1 votes)
oreomunsta - #6539
extreme tactician (1 votes)
rac - #6190
kalor (1 votes)
kawl - #6458
zubz (1 votes)
sawneeks - #6617
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
muffin (0 votes)
blargonaut (0 votes)
natiko (0 votes)
Post Counts:
muffin: 95 blargonaut: 76 sawneeks: 68 brazil: 64 geno: 58 melonrabbit: 57 heymonkey: 48 fandorin: 45 kalor: 44 sorian: 44 kawl: 36 ezekelrage: 33 extreme tactician: 33 rac: 33 poltergust: 24 natiko: 22 stanleypalmtree: 20 bladesymphony: 19 faircure: 19 zubz: 15 luxcommander: 15 oreomunsta: 14 coolestspot: 13 lone_prodigy: 12 briefs_cat: 9 swamped: 8 necktochicken: 7 gorlak: 2 grizzly: 1 ynnek7: 1
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rac
whatever
this is pretty disingenuous considering the actions of both jaots are very different
Sawneeks
little green dog
Congrats, you found Scum in a vote containing 13 people. Shocking.
That is definitely what you did earlier in this game. You were very quiet and only came in when your name popped up. Now not as much but that's what you did in HvV too. The second the game dwindles you pick it up again, I've seen you do it before as Not Town.
I'm not saying I don't have a ton of posts either but I don't need to ISO myself. :u
technically i don't need to ISO you now either because i'm a dumbass but still
Barf I missclicked. counting toward majority differentiates the two.
LuxCommander
Bro.
Sorry for the lack of activity from me the past couple of days guys, work has been absolutely hellish. Lots of code and documentation...
No specific reason; there really wasn't a specific person that screamed 'target me!' that evening phase, so I figured I'd go for an active user.
http://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/32747/ and two other posts below this one.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Be more disingenious please. I always talked about the first 5 who started that train, and had already limited my search to monkey and Natiko.
And no, there's a difference between defending yourself for supposed scumminess and defending your own reads. I can not recall a game where I did get as few scumreads or votes thrown at me as this one.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
"townread" as in past tense lol
Sawneeks
little green dog
Kalor ISO (may do hom3land later):
Day 2:
Day 3:
Day 4:
Got a few thoughts on Kalor. His Day 3 with Alexem is interesting as I can easily follow his train of thought where he was suspicious of Zeke and Alexem, got pushed towards Alexem due to his odd claim, and then tried to work through it. He also posts some thoughts on Blarg in regards to how quiet he was and how, if he was Scum, he feel like he would try harder/there would be more opposition. With Alexem flipping Town I don't have a huge issue with Kalor jumping off to Blarg when the lynch gained speed.
Day 4 is a little more interesting. Mentions that Scum could be in both Alexem and Blarg (kinda obvious?) Gives a reason for JubJub not being killed by Scum due to their actions, mentions that removing inactives doesn't give much info so is somewhat iffy on that aspect but then goes and shoots LP. Afterwards he also moves onto briefs, another inactive player, despite having not great feelings on ET's reaction to natiko.
Mentions after Natiko flips Scum that there may be more Scum Players on the No Lynch vote during the TD but doesn't look into it himself.
Forgets that I didn't get a Blargovest (so if Blarg is SOMEHOW scum this clears Kalor imo) and generally does not understand that sudden push against me. Also makes an odd remark that the Natiko kill could have been an accident on Scum's part? It's an odd statement to make without much else backing it up.
Also asks Kawl why he scum reads him and Kawl replies with 'gut feels' and Kalor just drops it. Is that really enough to get you to back off?
In the end I'm....not sure. I generally Town Read his Day 3 in regards to Alexem and how he reacted and moved over to Blarg. His Day 4 in regards to inactives, Natiko, and Kawl give me pause. He clearly has something he can continue working on outside of inactives (i.e. ET or even the No Lynch TD voters) but does neither and keeps on briefs. Simply accepting Kawl's arguably weak and unclear reason for scum reading him is also odd and I didn't expect him to drop it so fast.
Would like his response to this paragraph above before I give a final call.
Day 2:
Day 3:
Day 4:
Got a few thoughts on Kalor. His Day 3 with Alexem is interesting as I can easily follow his train of thought where he was suspicious of Zeke and Alexem, got pushed towards Alexem due to his odd claim, and then tried to work through it. He also posts some thoughts on Blarg in regards to how quiet he was and how, if he was Scum, he feel like he would try harder/there would be more opposition. With Alexem flipping Town I don't have a huge issue with Kalor jumping off to Blarg when the lynch gained speed.
Day 4 is a little more interesting. Mentions that Scum could be in both Alexem and Blarg (kinda obvious?) Gives a reason for JubJub not being killed by Scum due to their actions, mentions that removing inactives doesn't give much info so is somewhat iffy on that aspect but then goes and shoots LP. Afterwards he also moves onto briefs, another inactive player, despite having not great feelings on ET's reaction to natiko.
Mentions after Natiko flips Scum that there may be more Scum Players on the No Lynch vote during the TD but doesn't look into it himself.
Forgets that I didn't get a Blargovest (so if Blarg is SOMEHOW scum this clears Kalor imo) and generally does not understand that sudden push against me. Also makes an odd remark that the Natiko kill could have been an accident on Scum's part? It's an odd statement to make without much else backing it up.
Also asks Kawl why he scum reads him and Kawl replies with 'gut feels' and Kalor just drops it. Is that really enough to get you to back off?
In the end I'm....not sure. I generally Town Read his Day 3 in regards to Alexem and how he reacted and moved over to Blarg. His Day 4 in regards to inactives, Natiko, and Kawl give me pause. He clearly has something he can continue working on outside of inactives (i.e. ET or even the No Lynch TD voters) but does neither and keeps on briefs. Simply accepting Kawl's arguably weak and unclear reason for scum reading him is also odd and I didn't expect him to drop it so fast.
Would like his response to this paragraph above before I give a final call.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Sawneeks
little green dog
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I didn't really follow up on Kawls post as I just wanted even a simple explanation for the vote on me. Mostly since up to that point none had really been given. I'm curious about what posts he thought stuck out but it didn't seem pressing to me. Maybe we can come back to it tomorrow when Kawl has more time as he mentioned.
The no lynch votes is just a lack of time to actually dig into those users and their posts. As for ET, it seemed like a weird post but I wouldn't lynch or shoot them today for it. Especially since there's other stuff about them that makes me town read them.
Sawneeks
little green dog
What makes you Town Read him?
Also, given you made that post about Natiko being an accidental kill, why not go more for Geno today?
No, that's basically it. There are many posters who don't show up a lot, and Swamped is one of them - but when she is here, she isn't really pressing anyone or even fighting back against those who accuse her.
The one time she was prolific in her arguments in the entire game was during the TD, which was also the one time scum banded together to achieve something. 3 out of the first 6 No Lynch votes were scum's. Hers was the 7th, and the one that put the No Lynch option in the lead.
Back in a few. Currently mourning over our loss. *Sigh*
Sawneeks
little green dog
Brazil ISO:
Day
Brazil, my dear, sweet pupil.
Weirdly feeling Scum here.
Given Scum's known willingness to bus the hell out of their own Teammates I have trouble here with Brazil throwing shade at Natiko, Include, and Verelios, epseically Natiko. He mentions multiple times how 'off' he was playing but never really pressed him for it, just kinda content to throw that out once and a while. However, he also does that in relation to Monkey as well and she flipped Town so it may just be something he does.
I also relatively dislike how Brazil spent a good chunk of time arguing with Zeke and then just kinda plops a vote down on Alexem to help 'clear up that event' and because he 'wasn't there'. No real comment on his odd claim, disappearing, etc. Did that ever help you out, Brazil? Or was that just talk to justify a vote?
Also find this logic here:
However I have a question in regards to the Swamped Scum Read. It sounds like you are arguing that Swamped is Scum because she pushed for a No Lynch to....save Splinter, yes? Earlier it seems you were also building a connection that it was a Scum v Scum TD but that has since fallen apart so you still feel a Scum!Swamped would go for a No Lynch that strongly despite a Townie being an opposite choice?
Day
Brazil, my dear, sweet pupil.
Weirdly feeling Scum here.
Given Scum's known willingness to bus the hell out of their own Teammates I have trouble here with Brazil throwing shade at Natiko, Include, and Verelios, epseically Natiko. He mentions multiple times how 'off' he was playing but never really pressed him for it, just kinda content to throw that out once and a while. However, he also does that in relation to Monkey as well and she flipped Town so it may just be something he does.
I also relatively dislike how Brazil spent a good chunk of time arguing with Zeke and then just kinda plops a vote down on Alexem to help 'clear up that event' and because he 'wasn't there'. No real comment on his odd claim, disappearing, etc. Did that ever help you out, Brazil? Or was that just talk to justify a vote?
Also find this logic here:
Odd. I may have said the same at the time, I can't recall, but Melon flipping Scum actually would not damn Blarg. Blarg could've still been giving out BP Vests as Town and just misjudged and gave it to a Scum!Melon. The reasoning for the connection to Swamped checks out though.
However I have a question in regards to the Swamped Scum Read. It sounds like you are arguing that Swamped is Scum because she pushed for a No Lynch to....save Splinter, yes? Earlier it seems you were also building a connection that it was a Scum v Scum TD but that has since fallen apart so you still feel a Scum!Swamped would go for a No Lynch that strongly despite a Townie being an opposite choice?
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I would need to go back and check but off the top of my head, it's mostly the point that you mention in your reads list about pointing out Include swapping herself with Natiko. Although considering how many scum we have in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if they were more willing to just accuse it other and bring up points that paint each other in a negative light more often than usual. I'm definitely more wary of him after the potential preemptive celebration but prior to that, I didn't have many problems with them.
That post about Natiko was just me bringing up ideas. I don't think the shot on Natiko was scum shooting their teammate. I generally think Geno is town. Today has made me more wary of him but I don't think scum would play the way he did today.