RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[TheWorthyEdge]

Off the top of my head, TWE, Sorian, Fran, Geno, and Nat were the ones that jumped out. Before I honestly wasn't sure if it was scum trying to protect their own or genuine reactions there. I do think Sorian and Fran look pretty real looking back on it and I do believe them. Less so for Geno and Nat. TWE I kind of go back and forth on.

Can I get an idea of why my reaction towards not wanting to vote Neon makes you iffy?

 

[The Wizard]

It’s interesting to Alexem fell out of contention cause I feel like that’s a wagon where the sentiment showed more interest than translated into votes. I could put some names and quotes here if I wasn’t lazy on mobile but you get the gist

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (2 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186
Chuggernaut - #1,221

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

HPSauce (1 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231

CaptainNuevo (1 votes)
Sorian - #1,210

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125

Not voting: Alexem, Natiko, The Wizard, Muffin, TheWorthyEdge, Sawneeks, turmoil7, Franconp, malus, Zippedpinhead, Ty4on, nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 40 Franconp: 18 Muffin: 17 Blargonaut: 13 Sorian: 12 TheWorthyEdge: 12 CaptainNuevo: 11 Sawneeks: 11 HPSauce: 10 melonrabbit: 9 The Wizard: 6 Ty4on: 5 Alexem: 3 Zippedpinhead: 3 Natiko: 3 turmoil7: 3 nin1000: 2 Geno: 1

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Sawneeks]

That changes nothing, of course there is also town on there, there always is. Making the assumption that town has just as much of an incentive because Febes role was strong when we havent even seen any scum roles is pointless.

And "most people would have" is my point. I don't think like nin or Blarg are scum for trying to get exp, they would do that any day.

I don't buy Sneeks getting convinced on that vote by Chuggs at that stage, and neither do I think she would vote there for just XP.

There's plenty of conclusions to make from that wagon depending on what you know about each person, so you dismissing it out of hand is not an argument I think should be left unchallenged. I don't agree with it at all is all i'm saying, I'm not trying to be outraged.

so if i'm not convinced by chuggs and not there for xp, why am i there?

I thought Neon was scum. I didn't think Turms and Ty were scum and I didn't really like the Cap vote. Should I not push who I think is scum over people I think are town because I really REALLY doubt you would be hitting me with this if Neon flipped scum there.

I will fully acknowledge I pushed someone wrong. Again, it happens. Sometimes you think you have something and you don't. What I'm not into is everyone coming in here acting like they have zero share of the blame here and trying to make it out like I'm the one who killed him. YOU specifically tied up the damn vote. I didn't make you do that and I truly didn't expect you to even vote with me until you did. This is why I can't really clear you in my mind because you just coming in here and directing all the blame to you like you weren't sitting on that vote is crazy. We can talk about nin if you really want because he's so far the only person on that vote who's actually taken some ownership of it.

I'm sorry you don't like my scum reads? What makes Captain the most blatant out of everyone else there? I don't really think he's scum which is why I'm not talking about him. I don't really have anything that's making me think he's town either so I'm not going to hard defend him, but I'm going to make a case for him just because you think he's for sure scum

Well yeah, I wouldn't be putting this on you if Neon was scum because then you'd be Town lol. Or else a really bussing scum but i highly doubt you suddenly pivot like that.

okay, say i'm scum - why do i do that? why tie it? like you say, you think the wagons are all Town. so why would i follow you on neon all of the sudden? From my POV it also looks like my vote opens the floodgates for everyone else to vote there too for some reason. if im scum, what does that make the others?

the Capt stuff i'll make a post tonight, pinky promise.

sry excuse me

Prithee thrice again & lend me thine earlobes for I have something to announce btw...

I am potentially an Innocent Child...

#Seen our soldiers cast into naught in their prime so soon and none mourn their loss as much as I, yea, forgiven the nature of mine feeble innocence 'tis a piteous state *sniff* belies me that nary a defender probs remains here ahh...

One but must deign to gaze upon mine forlorn countenance and know this all to be veracitinous forsooth... I do this for the poor village I lived in all my minute life...

The knaves amongst thee mayhaps haveth at me with their weapon(s) in the Night yet fretlessly & utterly powerless shall I remain to accept Death(s) in 'tis turn and thus I so willing, uhuhuhu...

Watashi wa accept my fate...

what do you mean by 'potentially'?

I addressed this in my "super scummy" contribution post I tried to start the day with.

No clue why everyone chose to simply disregard it and instead jump on me putting in effort like they asked.

I thought it's weird in that post. I still do.


I'm more concerned around the idea of "successful" in it.

It's because the time you do point out Ty it doesn't actually accuse him of anything. You're not saying if you believe it, disbelieve it, think he's lying, think he's hiding stuff, etc. It's very...passive. Also, if you believe it's weird, then do you think he's not Town for it?

Off the top of my head, TWE, Sorian, Fran, Geno, and Nat were the ones that jumped out. Before I honestly wasn't sure if it was scum trying to protect their own or genuine reactions there. I do think Sorian and Fran look pretty real looking back on it and I do believe them. Less so for Geno and Nat. TWE I kind of go back and forth on.

Please expand on 'looking real'. Neon is Town. Scum would know that's a BS vote as it happens.

When will this fiction be available on the kindle store?

I don’t hate this as a concept although probably hard to actually pull off

Could just be turm replying to HP without using the quote function no?

Well it’s definitely convenient in that it disincentivizes him after a day of being in focus.
You never answered me on why you think/thought Ty was neutral?

Sorry sorry, no highlights on when people quote you is messing me up. Here's a link.

 

[melonrabbit]

It doesn’t have to be about what was said to me or about me rather than the way you engage with others differently than me. You still haven’t explained the “vibes” that make me read like Scum to you. But I’m supposed to reiterate my reasoning over and over again?

You’re doing the same thing that Chuggs is pointing at Muffin for: providing nothing for town but making it seem like you’re engaged with the game by pulling on something that’s not there at all. Funny how you say this is one of the only things I’m engaged in when you’ve provided nothing of value and haven’t engaged in anything other than this scenario that you deem so important. Just saying.

I’d say it looks worse for you than me.

Vibes can just vibes on D1. You came in hot at mention of ur name and invented this made up scenario. I found strange since you werent even at the top of my scum leaning pile. I addressed it you yesterdsy and you doubled and tripled down with words I did not say as your "reasons."

Today apparently ur spiraling (which now amuses you so) doesn't matter and we should move on ?

You also say I've done nothing all game and have only engaged with you/on this one point. Yet also I'm treating you differently than everyone else... How does that work? Did you slept through all part of yesterday that weren't about you?

Also, you keeping comparing yourself Muffin and specifically the manner in which Chuggs is scum reading him? What does that have to do with me? Or you? Why are you so obsessed with Muffin and Chuggs?

If (and that if is growing) ur really town than you're a liability because you'd rather be disingenuous to save face than admit you may have misunderstood or not fully comprehended something.

 

[melonrabbit]

I would love someone else input on that please.

On what?

 

[melonrabbit]

If you mean Wiz's take on Neon. Reads like a hesitate town lean.

 

[melonrabbit]

what do you mean by 'potentially'?

Hasn't decided if that's his claim yet or not

 

[melonrabbit]

I feel like I should feel worse about Chuggs and better about Sneeks but it's like the opposite rn.

 

[Franconp]

what do you mean by 'potentially'?

Maybe it's his T2 or T3 ability?

If you mean Wiz's take on Neon. Reads like a hesitate town lean.

Yeah, that. Thanks! I read it the same way and it's really weird that now Wiz says that Neon was a scum lean.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Vibes can just vibes on D1. You came in hot at mention of ur name and invented this made up scenario. I found strange since you werent even at the top of my scum leaning pile. I addressed it you yesterdsy and you doubled and tripled down with words I did not say as your "reasons."

Today apparently ur spiraling (which now amuses you so) doesn't matter and we should move on ?

You also say I've done nothing all game and have only engaged with you/on this one point. Yet also I'm treating you differently than everyone else... How does that work? Did you slept through all part of yesterday that weren't about you?

Also, you keeping comparing yourself Muffin and specifically the manner in which Chuggs is scum reading him? What does that have to do with me? Or you? Why are you so obsessed with Muffin and Chuggs?

If (and that if is growing) ur really town than you're a liability because you'd rather be disingenuous to save face than admit you may have misunderstood or not fully comprehended something.

Done engaging with this. I see what you're doing. And yes, it is amusing. I am thoroughly amused.

 

[melonrabbit]

Done engaging with this. I see what you're doing. And yes, it is amusing. I am thoroughly amused.

Tbf you never really engaged in good faith. You just tried to gaslight ur narrative into being reality and now when confronted you're just done instead of having a real discussion.

Def need stronger town than you.

 

[Sawneeks]

Hasn't decided if that's his claim yet or not

melon no memes tonight. do you believe him?

I feel like I should feel worse about Chuggs and better about Sneeks but it's like the opposite rn.

me heart is broken

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Tbf you never really engaged in good faith. You just tried to gaslight ur narrative into being reality and now when confronted you're just done instead of having a real discussion.

Def need stronger town than you.

 

[Sawneeks]

I thought Neon was scum. I didn't think Turms and Ty were scum and I didn't really like the Cap vote. Should I not push who I think is scum over people I think are town because I really REALLY doubt you would be hitting me with this if Neon flipped scum there.

I will fully acknowledge I pushed someone wrong. Again, it happens. Sometimes you think you have something and you don't. What I'm not into is everyone coming in here acting like they have zero share of the blame here and trying to make it out like I'm the one who killed him. YOU specifically tied up the damn vote. I didn't make you do that and I truly didn't expect you to even vote with me until you did. This is why I can't really clear you in my mind because you just coming in here and directing all the blame to you like you weren't sitting on that vote is crazy. We can talk about nin if you really want because he's so far the only person on that vote who's actually taken some ownership of it.

I'm sorry you don't like my scum reads? What makes Captain the most blatant out of everyone else there? I don't really think he's scum which is why I'm not talking about him. I don't really have anything that's making me think he's town either so I'm not going to hard defend him, but I'm going to make a case for him just because you think he's for sure scum

also im rereading and i want to fix this

I didn't tie it up

Turm did.

check your receipts pls

 

[melonrabbit]

melon no memes tonight. do you believe him?

Do I believe in Blarg?

Evidence posts to him existing but who can say.

 

[melonrabbit]

But no I don't really believe it.

 

[melonrabbit]

me heart is broken

Daggers out for all blood pact rn.

Sry not sry.

 

[Sawneeks]

But no I don't really believe it.

and that makes blarg....?

 

[melonrabbit]

and that makes blarg....?

a renegade playing by his own rules.

 

[melonrabbit]

@Blargonaut any more pages or have you moved on?

 

[Sawneeks]

Aight, went back and read over the Day end with a focus on the Neon votes. i may be petty later too idk yet.

ANYWAY. Uh, yeah, it was a bad vote and looking back at it I'm not even sure why I entertained it like I did. Chuggs' pushing the "there's a lot of resistence to the Neon vote!" was more powerful in the moment than it is looking back, especially when looking for this said 'resistance' he talks about which I could only find as....Fireblend (Town) and Nat. Two people (plus myself later on, i suppose) before he votes there for the stated reason.

Fireblend's vote follows his posts as he's working out rereading Neon and then Alexem. Him jumping over after Chuggs is not surprising reading his posts.

Nin I have no fucking idea. Dude comes in asking "if scum are pushing Neon" (when the vote is only Chuggs/Febe). Disappears and the votes Neon to 'see what's up'. Later he clarifies he doesn't want to be left out, which is an odd choice to pick if you want XP at that point since this moves Neon up to 3 but Turm/Ty/Cap are still choices.

Turmoil is who ends up tying the vote. He quotes Chuggs saying "a scum!Ty doesn't come in with 45 minutes left and votes Sorian". Which makes him agree and therefore he goes to Neon to 'see what happens'. He then later clarifies that he trusts Fireblend and voted for Neon to get more info on Chuggs/Nin. I believe Ty points out (or maybe Febe) that this vote stinks a bit of self-preservation and I sort of agree? I'm not knocking him tooo much on the Chuggs/Nin thing since I did the same for Chuggs so, uh. I do find it odd he swapped so soon to the end when he's up for death. Unless it's somehow a TvSvSv? wagon, I don't get why he jumps away unless it was to stop bussing a teammate.

For context, by this time the votes are: Ty4on (4), Turm (4), Neon (4), Capt (3), Alexem/Zipped/Muffin/Geno/Sneeks (1)

I then vote Neon.

Captain then votes Neon for 'information'. He then later says it's for XP. If Turm's vote was getting whiffs of self preservation, Capt's reeks of it. My vote pushes Neon up to the top and Capt's vote helps secure it there in case someone jumps off. He's still high enough at this point that he COULD die. There's also movement for Neon as opposed to Ty or Turm at that point.

Wizard then comes in, says he hasn't read, and votes Neon to avoid a tie. He has not been posting up until this point.

(funny note, Blarg unvotes Neon here despite not having voted FOR neon)

Malus votes here too and says he doesn't understand the case but votes here anyway. He is around briefly before this, asking for a tl;dr and says "Neon sounds fun". From what I can see, he doesn't talk about Neon before this at all. Seems like an XP vote, but I dislike how he was around and didn't actually ask about anything/try to solve what was happening.

Blarg and Zipped also vote. Both likely for XP but both are around before this and don't vote prior. Zipped even says he's more for Captain (as he votes for Turm) but doesn't actually push for either. Blarg is off pointing fingers at Sorian and Chuggs during this time.

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tl'dr you all can't be scum but omfg guys

Zipped comes out looking bad. He was around at Day End, says he would prefer Turm (his vote) or Captain but doesn't work to push either. Instead he's more like casually sitting back and watching it all happen before jumping on last minute for XP. If no one is scum in these wagons I would bet that Zipped is scum.

Wizard coming in to vote right after I break the tie and push it towards Neon looks bad too. Feels like he was around and watching but not posting. If there's scum in the other wagons I could see this vote being a 'save a teammate' move.

malus never talked about neon and then votes there despite having voted for Turm/Captain. His is later in the timeline and is harder for me to nail down as for an alignment. It's clear Neon is going to die by this point so he's just pilling on top of it.

Captain feels like self-preservation. There's movement towards Neon as opposed to the other two wagons he's up against and this can help save his life. Unlike Turm, Captain's vote is after my own when Neon is in the lead so it comes off more strongly as a self-saving one since he's already more in the clear. He also posits this was for information but I haven't seen the fruits of this supposed 'info'.

Turm is also kinda self-pres but it's cushioned by my read on him + his vote tying up the vote count. I think if we somehow have two scum in those day end wagons then Turm can easily be one of the two there. But if it's only scum!turm? I don't see it with this move.

nin bro wtf. it's so bad it almost feels town?


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Spoiler: My notes

Day End - Starting at #909 (around 2 hours prior to Day End)

Votes are:
turmoil7 (5 votes)
Fireblend - #384
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792
Blargonaut - #833

Alexem (3 votes)
Ty4on - #548
Sawneeks - #756
The Wizard - #784

Muffin (2 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671

Neon ends with: Chuggs, Febe, nin, Sneaks, Capt, Wiz, Malus, Blartg, Zipped

Chuggs: Starts the Neon vote with #911 as he dislikes the “hard resistance” to it. Shortly before this is:

• Febe says Neon is ‘kinda sus’ as the day goes on but tells Chuggs ‘maybe’ to that vote as he is reading Alexem first #896
• a post from Nat #905 where he doesn’t see the Neon scum read from Chuggs.

And that’s sorta it? Chuggs and Neon have a back and forth for a while the page before where Chuggs clearly doesn’t like him but back at #805 he’s still asking for people to come join him on Muffin so I don’t see this “hard resistance” he’s talking about. He just goes from talking about his muffin vote/wanting people there to talking to Neon and then suddenly saying Neon has too many ‘reticent’ people and it’s sus.

Fireblend (Town): I can see his thought process here as he had a read of Neon shortly before this. Chuggs then asks him to vote Neon with him. Febe finishes up his Alexem read and then once Chuggs votes for Neon, Febe follows through. Also says it’s to see what shakes out. Really helps knowing he’s Town here.

Nin: Comes in asking if “Scum is pushing the Neon vote” (at the time it’s only Febe and Chuggs there. Then just comes back with a Neon vote because he wants to know what’s up with Neon #946. (later says he ‘doesn’t want to be left out’ #1054)

Turm: #989. Quotes Chuggs explaining that “a scum!Ty doesnt come in with 45 minutes to go and votes Sorian”. Turm agrees, moves to Neon to see what happens/’move the waters’. (later says #1060 he trusts febe and it would give him info on nin and chuggs)

This ties up Neon with Turm, Capt, and Ty.
Blarg’s unvote of Capt is what drops him down to 3.

By this point votes are:
Ty4on (4), Turm (4), Neon (4), Capt (3), Alexem/Zipped/Muffin/Geno/Sneeks (1)

#1083 is when I vote for Neon.

#1092 is where Cap votes Neon for ‘information’. (shortly after says he wants XP #1102)

#1094 is Wiz coming in to vote Neon.

(Blarg unvotes neon right after this despite not voting for Neon…)

#1105 is malus for Neon despite him not getting the case.

Then Blarg and Zipped. (Zipped admitting he wants XP)

 

[Sawneeks]

a renegade playing by his own rules.

nice. thank you for the read. very good.

 

[Sawneeks]

ok i have to be petty for a second im so sorry but it was so many posts you guys.

Spoiler: Mr I Didn't Get Neon Killed

@Fireblend Want to hop on Neon with me

Vote: Neon

I'm going to be real there's enough hard resistance to this that makes me just want this flip more.

Like we have like 4 people up for votes today that has made people go "yeah sure whatever" but Neon is the one that everyone feels the need to defend for some reason and I can't for the life of me figure out what is causing these town reads. Something doesn't track here

Ah yes why don't we just simply sleep walk into one of the wagons we already have

Would be cooler if you joined us on Neon

Come vote neon it'll be fun

Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.

Well I don't think nin is scum so nothing really. What does that say to you. Because I'm still seeing a lot of resistance to this and that's including people that seem like they're open to the idea of going Neon here

 

[melonrabbit]

I hate false complements. Or at least false-placed ones.

I'll never git gud at this game.

 

[Sawneeks]

I hate false complements. Or at least false-placed ones.

I'll never git gud at this game.

sorry. can you give me an actual read on blarg then. you think he's lying - is that because he's town? scum? neutral? would you vote for him?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I want to look at the people that voted on islands as well. HP, Melon, and Muffin. All of those were pretty early votes as well.

 

[melonrabbit]

I know my abilities. There is nothing for you to apologize for but maybe I should apologize to myself ...

Blarg is hard to read and some ppl say they can. Idk if that's true. He plays the game by playing mind games. All to distract from what he really wants to show you if you look close enough. The claim and the journal have those vibes (sorry if that's a upsetting word to use) of white noise.

So far he's done nothing to make me think he's anti-town in his heart of hearts. But I do think he'd lie for town and is doing so now.

 

[melonrabbit]

ok i have to be petty for a second im so sorry but it was so many posts you guys.

If there were so many red flags why did you go along with chuggs

 

[melonrabbit]

I want to look at the people that voted on islands as well. HP, Melon, and Muffin. All of those were pretty early votes as well.

Go on.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Go on.

Tomorrow. I’m too tired.

 

[Sawneeks]

aight, let's read the great ol Capitan.

Opens up with a joke vote on Turm and proceedes to make jokes/ask people to be nice to him. The first time he becomes 'serious' is throwing some shade on people trying to influence him/the game. He also admits he 'never thought about sharing xp' as he would only want it for himself. This is when the whole 'Ty slip' was going down and it was his response to it.

He then talks briefly about general mechanics. "first Night anyone can use all abilities is Night 5" despite general conversation in the thread having moved on to something more serious.

This is important even if it seems like it's not. Melon asks Capt is he is "Squal-ing for fun or for business" His reply is:

I don't currently possess enough information to feel like answering that question is going to help this game. I'll reconsider the possibilities of asking me that overnight and may give you an actual answer depending.

Anyhow, regardless of my answer I'm enjoying it.

Remember it.

He also starts a series of reads that are going to be rather universal. These are general statements either with no read attached or if there is some inkling of 'town' or 'scum' he then proceedes to walk it back.

His first (after my prompting):

"...whatever."

(Sorian feels less like he's driving discussion forcefully than I remember.)
(Is that intentional? I don't remember...)

(Melon is responding quickly and engaged in talk. Feels more confident in strategy.)
(Can I "TRUST" them?)

(Some people felt like they tried to pull a role name from me.)
(But why would they expect that type of name?)
(I don't know anybody here's name... What's mine?)
(I don't like being forced in this position.)

Note that melon read right there? Well, it seems to disappear pretty quick as he finds them 'sketchy' and 'role fishing'. Plus more mechanics talk.

[NORMAL TALK]

Since it looks like night time talk is going to happen at... inconvenient times for me to catch up, I wanna let one thing be known now, roughly 23 hours in advance:
I'm unlikely to be able to move my vote around at day's end with full information. I'll keep my vote where I think it's best tonight, and catch up when I can in the morning, but it's gonna be rough due to the deluge of info.

[/NORMAL TALK]

...Whatever.
(Some people positing that scum sharing exp could make sense to balance things for them. I disagree with this notion. Assuming scum has a similar role PM to the information I have, I have to assume scum has 3 abilities each, with successively increasing xp costs. Pooling experience for them feels like it would be imbalanced. Maybe this is important? Maybe it's not. At THIS PHASE probably not.)

...I can't really be bothered.
(Some players yesterday were asking me questions about my "Squall-isms", in a way that felt somewhat role fishing. THAT SAID, neither of them arise as logical questions from the publicly available information we have (the sample PM). That PM has only xp abilities, and someone asked me if I had to type "...whatever" once per page for my role. Based on the publicly available information, and the information I have about my role, I don't see reason to believe that roles exist outside of the powers we have. Feels like a fishing question, and it's something that raised an eyebrow for me.)

Hardly feels worth it.
(Furthermore, the sample PM also does nothing to indicate anything about role names here. I was asked if my role was specifically Squall. That's a jump to make based on the lack of information about role names present publicly. Also rubs me a bit the wrong way.)

Yet despite that, he never actually pushes Melon or any other negative read. In fact, melon will ask him about this and he essentially non-answers it and melon just drops it. He also just sorta...takes her word for why they feel me/HP/chuggs are all scum buddies. This is also a trend to ask questions, get one answer, and then just drop that line of questioning.

Strength and solitude are side by side.
(Why do you feel a scum team would be so buddy buddy so early on in the first game back? )

Acknowledged. That logic holds.

When asked "who would you shoot", he responds with another non answer - this time with someone he hasn't talked about and is low hanging fruit at this point: nin. He also references his vote as 'not where he wants it to be'....despite his vote being an early early game joke vote. I've seen scum mistake their joke vote for a serious one before and given Capt's weird hesitation to move it, I wouldn't be surprised if he's scared scum.

(If I were to shoot right now... I'd go someone who hasn't been as much a center of attention or discussion. I always find that's fun day 1. That said, I'm not sure my vote currently is in line with that. Thinking over... Nin is always a fun choice. Going off vibes, since mobile and all, what info would he give us? Most of his posts were from overnight whixh I skimmed. Need to reread)

Reading...?
(It's early game. I've never found the gall to commit especially this early.)

Now comes his biggest post: a reread of Turm and then a vote on Ty.
Note at this point the votes are:
Ty (3)
HP, Geno, Alexem

Turm (3)
Capt
Fireblend
TWE

Alexem (2)
Ty
Sneeks

Captain (2)
malus
fran

Sneeks (2)
melon
chuggs

However, he again does the thing where he turned his clear joke vote early on into a 'real' vote at some point without saying why. His actual reread of Turm also doesn't really give any opinions/feelings about him and is only stating facts. i.e. 'hard read, got some pressure, and some pressure' and then just goes "eh. I dont think it's in the right spot today".

His then further prompted reads are following his pattern. Sneeks is "odd, but then again so is everyone". Wants Geno/Blarg/nin to contribute more or else he "puts their feet to the flames D2". Sorian gets a "quieter, need to read him more" with no read. Chuggs is the only one with an actual read and it's a big Town one. But instead of going for nin - whom he would shoot - or melon - who he accuses of role fishing - he goes for Ty. Placing Ty with 4 votes and the clear lead.

...I'm tired.
(I'm re-reading turm's stuff re my vote on him.)
(Ignoring meme posts at the start. Early on engages with fran here on discussing mechanics, and saying a non-controversial belief about how we should handle hammers for xp. This feels different enough from trying to persuade how we view vote movement I'll say it's fine).



Can I?
(Follows it up with this:)


(Interesting. A hard read early on, which later on picked up some level of pressure, and verbal push without actual votes from Sneeks)

(Some stuff re: ty slip)



Am I making a mistake?
(Eh. Y'know, I don't think my vote is in the right place today.)

Unvote




(I'm actually about to head to sleep since I'm in Japan. I'll be up around 40 minutes before end of day. So... uhhhh... this is awkward timing).
(ANYHOW. Sneeks got very verbal with a few people in a way that felt almost like tunneling but didn't put out a vote on them. Which is kinda odd given past behavior, but then again very few people put out votes.)
(I'd like to see Blarg and Geno and Nin actually... contribute and post more. I'll chalk this up to time differences for the time being, but I hope to see some contributions from them when I wake up, or I'd be starting to push their feet to the flames in D2.)
(Chuggs... feels genuinely frustrated at being called out earlier today. Town vibes.)

(Sorian is also less directive than previous. And quieter. Need to read him more).

(Me? I need xp.)
(I think the ty vote would give us more useful information than a lot of other options in the lead do right now, which is something I think we need D1. So...)

VOTE: Ty4on

Towards Day End he is able to return and asks what 'info' could Turm even give for a flip before ending up on Neon. His reason?

VOTE: Neon

(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)

(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)

Again falling on to 'info' as the claim. I do also find it interesting at his timing of this which is after I voted for Neon and push him past the tie. I do think Capt's vote for Neon - despite never talking about him at all before hand - is a self-pres one from a scum angle. This clears him out of the running pretty heavily, gets his vote off of a wagon with no movement (Ty), and gives him a chance to pivot from Turm whom he was sort of on all day and was seeming to set up with his first post asking how a "turm flip" would give info.

 

[melonrabbit]

Gotta (re)read some things.

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I'm there with you, buddy.

Looks like scum and town alike are sleeping or not playing rn. Bed for now.

 

[Sawneeks]

tl;dr of Captain's Day 1

Lots of mechanics talk, doesn't take part in most of the serious day discussion and must be prodded to give reads. The reads he does give are safely in the middle 99% of the time except for his one Town Chuggs read. He shades melon early on and accusses them of "role fishing" but never actually does anything with that and just lets it die. Mistakes his early game joke vote for a 'real' vote and seem like he needs a reason to move it despite not really needing to. I think that's scum hesitation and fear of being caught, plus no real push to solve and just trying to 'be around'.


and thats it for my big posts this Day. I'm on mobile going forward and going to be busy so i dont expect a ton.

 

[Sawneeks]

If there were so many red flags why did you go along with chuggs

because i only saw them after the fact. i was at work then and getting interrupted and never had time to look back at anything ; __ ;

 

[Sawneeks]

because i only saw them after the fact. i was at work then and getting interrupted and never had time to look back at anything ; __ ;

plus i was like "he's so insistent maybe he is town and caught scum..." and thought if he was right it would clear my read of him.

 

[Natiko]

Aside from my suspicion of Chuggs, if there are scum elsewhere on that wagon it’s a bit murky. Nin is pretty cut and dry sketchy. I find something about Saw’s posts giving me pause at times - there’s just this tinge of performance in them that I can’t shake but tbh I also might just be feeling a slight case of OMGUS for what I feel has mostly been a vibes read of me they’ve continued to toss out. Either way, the direct conflict with Chuggs makes me less apt to pursue this thread. The late voters are all greedy, but not necessarily alignment indicative. It’s hard to read much against self-pres votes especially D1 when you have no reason to trust anyone else over yourself.

I’d say currently I’m between Chuggs and Nin. Chuggs feels more overtly scummy, but he also has a much higher volume and is putting himself in the spotlight so that’s not really that surprising. I can’t really come up with anything to say as a positive for Nin off the top of my head.

 

[malus]

Hey now, we haven't eliminated the doctor yet!

Well, so much for that...

Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?

He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?

Like who?

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(Yup. Bad luck on my part. I did write it in advance. Wow. Just like I said. I'm not capable of writing that quickly in 1 minute into the day. I just wanted to contribute.)
(That said, I will say I'm used to being in this position. I've always been the type of player who gets voted out in the day 3-6 range during the day. I don't get night killed. I can't be night killed.)

Information.
(We did. I don't see how everything that's being discussed now is not information to you. I said we would get information, not that I would give it.)
(My read here is that people initially pushing Neon are town. There were like 3 or 4 candidates at around the same number of votes when that push started. Why would scum try to orchestrate a massive swap over to a NET NEW CANDIDATE that close to day's end? The only case that makes sense is if all those people in contention are scum.)
(Let's recap the votes at the time of Chuggs starting the Neon vote (Post #911). We had:
Neon - 1 vote (Chuggs)
Turmoil - 5 Votes [Febe, TheWorthyEdge, Natiko, Zippedpinhead, Neon]
Ty4on - 3 votes [Geno, Alexem, yours truly]
CaptainNuevo - 4 Votes [Malus, Franconp, Turmoil7, Blargonaut]
Alexem - 3 votes [Ty4on, Sawneeks, The Wizard]
)
(There's way too many viable candidates here for scum to push one of and start toppling without needing to pull up an ENTIRELY NEW CANDIDATE. Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi].)
(All this is to say I'm not buying a Chuggs push right now, and have him as a mistaken town player.)

I kind of agree with this. We had four wagons going, why would Scum try to start a new one? Even if there was Scum on the block, there were plenty of alternatives to be pushed instead.

tbh i agree with sorian (ugh). Febe was town read pretty consistantly by people and seemed like a 'middle-of-the-road' kind of kill. someone townie but not too popular enough to possibly be protected.

ok, doing all of this analysis just to defend chuggs is NOT helping my thought of you two being teamed up.

like, you're not only making the assumption that no other wagon has scum (turm, Ty, or Alex) but use that so far to copy chugg's own defense of himself and say that clearly means Chuggs is town because why would scum do that!?.

If someone has time and could look into Capt's reads of Turm, Ty, and Alex from Day 1 and see if he town read them that would be great. Because so far I see he voted for Ty, which means I assume he thinks Ty is scum, which destroys his own argument here.

Oh geez, glad you are ok. I don't currently have questions for you but if I do, feel free to get to 'em later.

What do you think would be the motivation for Chuggs to start a new wagon so close to EoD? If you think he's protecting somebody, which wagon do you think is the most likely to be Scum?

 

[malus]

I'll go Muffin with you if you still want to do that.

I kind of don't think it's Cap, but there's enough there where I don't think it's a bad flip either

Vote: Geno

All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Well yeah, I wouldn't be putting this on you if Neon was scum because then you'd be Town lol. Or else a really bussing scum but i highly doubt you suddenly pivot like that.

okay, say i'm scum - why do i do that? why tie it? like you say, you think the wagons are all Town. so why would i follow you on neon all of the sudden? From my POV it also looks like my vote opens the floodgates for everyone else to vote there too for some reason. if im scum, what does that make the others?

Please expand on 'looking real'. Neon is Town. Scum would know that's a BS vote as it happens.

Literally this? You not taking any ownership of it and coming into day acting like you had zero agency like half the players in this. Also putting the vote +1 instead of a tie is arguably worse.

As for the looking real thing that's my point. Scum knew that was going to flip town. I want to know who looked like they knew that for sure was going to happen and who actually town read him.

Also I'm going to be honest, if you're town me and you eating each other is very good for scum so I seriously hope you give this some thought and realize I have enough damn sense not put myself in the spotlight to this degree as scum.

 

[Chuggernaut]

All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.

Wishy washy? No man I think Muffin, Geno, and Nat are scum there's no "wellllll maybe?" there

 

[Natiko]

I feel like I’m struggling to get much footing in this game so far. I’m hoping for a quiet day at work tomorrow, and if so I think I might be able to spend a bit more time posting. Anything specifically I should respond to or weigh in on feel free to direct my way.

 

[Geno]

Wishy washy? No man I think Muffin, Geno, and Nat are scum there's no "wellllll maybe?" there

Is the only reason you're voting me because you think Muffin was bussing me?

 

[Geno]

From the people on the Neon vote I don't like nin and I'm not sure about malus either, voted there purely for XP and hasn't really played much. I need to read Captain and Chuggs again to see if I agree with others who scum read them

 

[malus]

Wishy washy? No man I think Muffin, Geno, and Nat are scum there's no "wellllll maybe?" there

It reads a bit like you don't want to be the sole pusher of those reads though. Also what about the Cap read?

Once I'm back from work I'll have to see if I can get my vote graph tool working again, so I can do some wagon analysis.
As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

 

[Alexem]

My hunch is still that Chuggs was used as a patsy by scum to get a safety train going. I'm not going to defend Chuggs's vote for Neon considering where it ended up, but considering that Chuggs had enough attention on him in D1, I think it would have been pretty brazen for scum!Chuggs to kick off a train by himself.

What makes you think the end of the train is town?

Here's what I'd like to think about next - why do I feel worse about the middle of the train? If scum wanted to take advantage of a new elimination candidate for whatever reason, I think they'd want to make sure it was viable. To that end, I think there's more of an advantage to kicking the tyres on a vote that someone else kicks off, then seeing if it takes off or if they have to shop around for another plan.

We know Febe's clean, so next after him came Nin, then Turmoil, then Sneeks, then Cap, then Wiz, then Malus, then Blarg and lastly Zipped. If I assume for the sake of argument that Chuggs was a misguided townie, where would scum come in to see that the train takes off? Towards the end, it's already going and scum would have a need to get a clear mis-hit - remember that votes were tied for a while, so it'd be risky to just trade horses between those trains and possibly have two or three of them end up level, denying them a D1 'kill'. Boosting a new candidate that could potentially draw votes away from any of the existing wagons could have given them a shot at another mis-hit, or left enough votes on an existing wagon while the others bled out to make that happen.

To me, then, the timing fits for the group of voters after Febe - that would have been the right time to push a new train and get eyes on it before it had a chance to fizzle out. That would put Nin, Turmoil, Sneeks and maybe Cap in to that timing window. Of those, Turmoil was already under scrutiny, so it could easily have been pounced on as a self-preservation vote - too risky for scum? Sneeks could fit the bill for the timing, but I have to admit that I'm still leaning town on her for her tenacity. Cap's a trickier one - the pre-typed post certainly doesn't inspire confidence, but was that vote past the point where the train had taken off in earnest - would scum!Cap needed to have voted there? Out of that bunch, that leaves Nin, who's been one of the lesser spotted players. I'm wondering if Nin might have been trying to fly under the radar yesterday? If so, getting in quick with the third vote might have been a decent way to blend in.

As for the votes that followed - it's quite possible that there's a meanie there grabbing for experience, but I think getting the train going would have been more important. Again, I don't know if Cap would fall in to the middle or late ground of voters, I can see his timing either way. Wiz and Malus may have had motivations - Wiz in breaking a tie, which could have helped scum to avoid a no kill, Malus is hopping in after a quiet day. Like Nin, Malus could be another low flyer, I can't rule that out. Blarg's vote was very... Blarg, and Zipped was going for experience. By the time that the last two votes went on, though, I think the deal was done. Having said that, though, Zipped's vote does fly in the face of his warning about the experience rule promoting clumsy hammers.

Here endeth the wall of text. I think there's a meanie or two to be found on that train, and I'm still of the opinion that voting relatively early would have been more helpful to scum to make the train work. Added to my concerns about playing quietly, and I think Nin's vote is the one that I'm most suspicious of.

VOTE: nin

 

[Alexem]

Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?

I've been trying to square away how a passive role like a commuter might work in this game. It's not impossible - it'd be an alternative way of using experience that could be there for balance, as after a few days of flips that amount to three-skill JOATs, people probably wouldn't be expecting a different way for the points to work. My off-the-wall WIFOM theory is that commuter skills might be well suited to a survivor in this game, especially if it turns out that a lot of people have investigative skills or there are a few vigs about, but that's only an idea.

On the note of balance, it also wouldn't surprise me if there are a few players whose experience costs are lower or higher than everyone else's, just to add some variety to the flow of the game.

 

[Franconp]

Like who?

Sorian was the name that I was thinking. He is usually a target and he was pretty townreaded for once. I also was a possible target, noone was scumreading me (at least on paper). Chuggs was townleading but him being the one who pushed most for Neon's lynch could explain why he was not a target.

And with this I'm not shading Sorian. I think he is town. I'm saying that maybe Febe was onto something and scum targeted him for that.

Also I'm going to be honest, if you're town me and you eating each other is very good for scum so I seriously hope you give this some thought and realize I have enough damn sense not put myself in the spotlight to this degree as scum.

You know that the WIFOM defence isn't so good when you are so selfconcious about it, right?

As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

Is that true with the current game that we are playing? We still don't know if scum doesn't need xp for their abilities but if they do it benefits them to jump on wagons. Also, as xp is a limited resource, every xp that scum gets is xp that town doesn't. With the rules of this current game I don't think that observation is correct.

So, Malus, why did you voted Neon? Based on your posts you didn't had a read on him:

Sounds fun. Any reason why?

Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon

Why jump on that wagon?

 

[Franconp]

I've been trying to square away how a passive role like a commuter might work in this game.

Commuter are not always passive. They can be x-shot.

 

[Alexem]

Commuter are not always passive. They can be x-shot.

That's true - Ty mentioned 'more XP variants' rather than just 'more XP', so I'd not considered that. My thinking was that they might somehow auto-activate as Ty accrued XP, but picking when to use an individual shot makes as much sense.

 

[malus]

Sorian was the name that I was thinking. He is usually a target and he was pretty townreaded for once. I also was a possible target, noone was scumreading me (at least on paper). Chuggs was townleading but him being the one who pushed most for Neon's lynch could explain why he was not a target.

And with this I'm not shading Sorian. I think he is town. I'm saying that maybe Febe was onto something and scum targeted him for that.

I guess it's always a good idea to see what reads the night killed player had. I haven't done a full reread yet, but if it was for the Turmoil push, then Sorian was there as well. Do you think Scum was afraid he would be protected?

Is that true with the current game that we are playing? We still don't know if scum doesn't need xp for their abilities but if they do it benefits them to jump on wagons. Also, as xp is a limited resource, every xp that scum gets is xp that town doesn't. With the rules of this current game I don't think that observation is correct.

Yeah, I guess the xp could be an incentive, but I still think Scum would at least hesitate to put themselves in the open too much.

So, Malus, why did you voted Neon? Based on your posts you didn't had a read on him:

Why jump on that wagon?

I admit, it was mostly for the xp. I didn't have a read on him, and I wasn't going to get a full reread in a couple of minutes. At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs and the Captain wagon was dead anyway.
As you said xp for Town is xp that Scum doesn't get, so I think it should be in our interest to get as many votes on the final wagon as we can since on raw numbers it means Town gets more xp than Scum.

 

[Franconp]

I guess it's always a good idea to see what reads the night killed player had. I haven't done a full reread yet, but if it was for the Turmoil push, then Sorian was there as well. Do you think Scum was afraid he would be protected?

As I said before, last night was likely the night where town was the weakest (half the roster doesn't have an ability, noone gets T2 or T3 abilities, all abilities being 1-shot making them less useful with a roster still so big). It's a bit weird that they would be worried about protections. Maybe they targeted someone who had 2 xp? Febe would make sense in that scenario. From the people who could use abilities N1 Febe was the one who were more townreaded.

And, as I also said before, I agree that Turm looks the worse reading Febe's reads.

 

[The Wizard]

Sorry sorry, no highlights on when people quote you is messing me up. Here's a link.

Thanks, I was thinking it didn’t make much sense to me because a neutral typically wants to lay low and work toward their goal in the background so the blunder would be even more unforced. Also if my win condition was different than everyone else’s I think I’d make sure to read the game rules more carefully.
—-
@Ty4on what are your thoughts on day end yesterday? Anything stick out from the voting?

 

[turmoil7]

I think that of the people who joined the Neon push Nin is very suspicious, like he wants to have a vote down but doesn't want to vote for a main wagon to not have to take responsibility for a bad vote. It just happened that the side wagon he voted turned into the main wagon

for now
vote: Nin

Side note: I just found out you can tap "toggle view" in the vote tool to see the "game timeline", holy shit that's awesome *tears of joy*

 

[The Wizard]

I feel like I should feel worse about Chuggs and better about Sneeks but it's like the opposite rn.

How fare thee in thine quest?
What are your thoughts on HP today?

My hunch is still that Chuggs was used as a patsy by scum to get a safety train going.

When you say safety train are you thinking one of the previous vote leaders is scum?

 

[HPSauce]

I think the Febe kill makes sense, shooting into the middle of the pack players early on feels like a pretty standard move, especially considering he had the XP to potentially fire something off. He's one of the players that is capable of town leading later on too IMO so again makes sense they'd pick him.

Like I did think I might've been in that sort of group that could've woken up dead but I'm one of the obvious candidates for a misvote later in the game so they'll leave me up lol.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Geno (2 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186
Chuggernaut - #1,221

nin1000 (2 votes)
Alexem - #1,346
turmoil7 - #1,354

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

HPSauce (1 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231

CaptainNuevo (1 votes)
Sorian - #1,210

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125

Not voting: Natiko, The Wizard, Muffin, TheWorthyEdge, Sawneeks, Franconp, malus, Zippedpinhead, Ty4on, nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 42 melonrabbit: 25 Sawneeks: 23 Franconp: 22 Muffin: 17 TheWorthyEdge: 16 Blargonaut: 13 Sorian: 12 CaptainNuevo: 11 HPSauce: 11 The Wizard: 8 Alexem: 6 Ty4on: 5 Natiko: 5 malus: 4 turmoil7: 4 Zippedpinhead: 3 Geno: 3 nin1000: 2

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[The Wizard]

Vote: CaptainNuevo

 

[Chuggernaut]

It reads a bit like you don't want to be the sole pusher of those reads though. Also what about the Cap read?

Once I'm back from work I'll have to see if I can get my vote graph tool working again, so I can do some wagon analysis.
As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

Yeahhhhhh??? One vote. Cannot get scum out by myself. I need people to vote with me.
What about the Cap read? I don’t think he’s scum. I’m not going to fight that hard for him either

 

[Sorian]

I checked in last night but there had been a two hour break in posting and then I woke up late this morning and read while eating breakfast but didn't post until now so Geno can feel free to shade me for that lol

My main takeaways are that I really like Saw with these posts. Some of the stuff seems a little dense just to re-iterate the same points over again but I think this is real honest solving, came away with a higher town read of her.

Alexem (I think?) does go into what I was talking about yesterday, the order of votes at day end is so pointless, I can't see how you can get any read from the middle of the pack voters are scum or you look better if you slipped in your vote at the end when it was already decided. It's just a crap shoot to me.

I did intend to answer @Franconp last night about that Wizard thing but decided to skip but I was thinking about it more this morning. It seems like a natural read to me of someone who wasn't actually sure about the spot. Shockingly, I think that was one of the more honest votes on Neon. The flip flopping of slight town read to slight scum read and back reeks of confused town on day 1 not sure what to do with a vote that's kind of shit. Obviously, the vote itself was placed to "not create ties" but at that moment, that reason actually made sense since it came in before the rest of the avalanche of votes. Idk, I think it looks fine? It was definitely a little of an excuse to grab exp imo but I've already made my feelings clear about how NAI it is to want exp.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I agree with @Alexem and @Sorian that the order of the end of day bandwagon exp farm isn’t likely to generate fruit yet. And I also agree that it’s just as likely to have scum in there as town because we all want more exp.

it’s really challenging my brain as usually voternomics can be very helpful about day 3/4 and this game seems to want to shake that.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Hey @Chuggernaut you and blarg have posts on geno. Blargs makes it sound like he voted geno for successfully avoiding votes yesterday, but I can follow yours. Help a zip out with why you are voting geno?

 

[Franconp]

it’s really challenging my brain as usually voternomics can be very helpful about day 3/4 and this game seems to want to shake that.

I'm the only one who finds ironic that Zipped complains that the xp system makes it difficult to read wagons when he jumped on a wagon last day only for the xp?

 

[Sorian]

I agree with @Alexem and @Sorian that the order of the end of day bandwagon exp farm isn’t likely to generate fruit yet. And I also agree that it’s just as likely to have scum in there as town because we all want more exp.

it’s really challenging my brain as usually voternomics can be very helpful about day 3/4 and this game seems to want to shake that.

Unless I misunderstood the post, didn’t Alexem have the opposite read as me and he does see value if when people entered that vote?

I can look in a second when I sit back at my computer

 

[Sorian]

Yeah I'm not crazy @Zippedpinhead , Alexem comes to the opposite conclusion of me, he thinks that the middle voters on the train specifically would be a more likely area for scum to be. I think scum could have and would have entered anywhere and discounting later votes or earlier votes or whatever is a recipe for failure.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Yeah I'm not crazy @Zippedpinhead , Alexem comes to the opposite conclusion of me, he thinks that the middle voters on the train specifically would be a more likely area for scum to be. I think scum could have and would have entered anywhere and discounting later votes or earlier votes or whatever is a recipe for failure.

Oh ok, then I only agree with you and not alexem. Scum could be anywhere in there but so c town.

thanks for clarifying. I just plain misread him

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I'm the only one who finds ironic that Zipped complains that the xp system makes it difficult to read wagons when he jumped on a wagon last day only for the xp?

Is it ironic in a Alanis morrisette way and in an actual instance of irony way.

I mean it’s unfortunate that we have to do that in order to get xp, but also just plain ironic that the very act I participated in is making the game more difficult. So you aren’t the only one to see the irony in my post, I see it too

 

[Ty4on]

I'm here if anyone wanna chat. Catching up.

 

[Franconp]

I mean it’s unfortunate that we have to do that in order to get xp, but also just plain ironic that the very act I participated in is making the game more difficult. So you aren’t the only one to see the irony in my post, I see it too

So, who would you have voted D1 if there was no xp mechanic?

I agree with @Alexem and @Sorian that the order of the end of day bandwagon exp farm isn’t likely to generate fruit yet. And I also agree that it’s just as likely to have scum in there as town because we all want more exp.

Who do you think are scum in the Neon wagon?

 

[Franconp]

I'm here if anyone wanna chat. Catching up.

I'm on my lunch break for the next 30 minutes if you want to talk about something.

What do you think we should do today? Were should we look?

 

[Sorian]

I'm planning to play more later so I'm mostly just reading current right now but Chuggs keeps bothering me the more I think about him. I want to re-read him again when I do Fireblend but this defensiveness has been way more than I'd expect. I got shit yesterday for painting him as highly defensive but honestly, now I feel like I understated it yesterday. I get he led a mislynch and that's put auto-sus on him but the posts today just feel so desperate. I get the claim here is his play has evolved since the last time I saw him play but this still feels like someone panicking vs. the normal "everyone should always be defending themselves" line.

 

[Sorian]

I'm on my lunch break for the next 30 minutes if you want to talk about something.

What do you think we should do today? Were should we look?

Since you're here. Have you put thoughts out on Natiko? I feel like he keeps slipping into my blindspot because he definitely has big posts but then I never remember the content of his stuff later when I'm trying to recall it. And I'm not really seeing anyone else mention him either.

 

[Franconp]

Since you're here. Have you put thoughts out on Natiko? I feel like he keeps slipping into my blindspot because he definitely has big posts but then I never remember the content of his stuff later when I'm trying to recall it. And I'm not really seeing anyone else mention him either.

I feel the same way about Natiko. I know that he is here but I'm pretty much null about him. I remember that I liked some thing but didn't know what. So I did a quick ISO and he doesn't have a lot of post but the ones he has seems fine. I keep thinking that the reactions are ok. The progression on his read on Febe seems natural which makes me think he actually tried to read that spot. And I think that his vote on Turm makes sense D1. I liked this post D2 because it was something that I was going to post and he beat me to it:

So basically.. hey don’t look at this Neon train! If you do, look furthest away from me! Thank you, have a nice day!

So, kinda townie I think. I wouldn't vote there today (unless something comes up).

 

[Ty4on]

I'm on my lunch break for the next 30 minutes if you want to talk about something.

What do you think we should do today? Were should we look?

Kill mafia today lol
Thinking about the game yesterday I want to focus on the fundamentals and build a poe by nailing down some town reads. Sawneeks' entry to D2 stuck out in a positive way and got me feeling much better about her being town.
I'm still sus on Captain and was pleasantly surprised so many thought the same today so I'll try to solidify a read there and see if it isn't too easy.
I put Fireblend in the bottom of my reads yesterday and was obviously wrong so I want to also focus on the more null reads and eventually Fire's own ISO.

 

[Franconp]

This are the posts of Natiko about Febe:

I don’t love this post, first one that struck me as particularly off. Feels like content for the sake of it without really wanting to take a stance. It’s enough for a start on D1 imo

VOTE: Fireblend

Well I like this post more. Since you’re feeling like there’s been more worth analyzing so far - what are your takeaways that aren’t related to the Ty exchange?

Okay, I’ve liked your more recent posts so I’m content to pull my vote back.

Unvote

To be fair I progressed from a light scum lean from early reactions to feeling improvement in your posts since then, and tbh I feel pretty justified in that given the post in question that pinged me as scummy vs your contributions since then.

I think the progression is good. Feels townie to me.

On the other way is post regarding Alexem are kind of sus:

This feels very much like a fluff post, afraid to take any real stance but wanting content. I think that’s not out of the realm of your usual play though.

Alexem is tempting but doesn’t resolve anything.

Meanwhile flipping Alexem I don’t think really resolves anything around Ty’s slip or the reactions to it.

He doesn't like Alexem but never voted there. Maybe it's something to go back in the future with more flips.

 

[Franconp]

Thinking about the game yesterday I want to focus on the fundamentals and build a poe by nailing down some town reads.

If you do that I would love to know how who would you at to a town core.

 

[Franconp]

If you do that I would love to know who would you add to a town core.

That post was horrible lol.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

So, who would you have voted D1 if there was no xp mechanic?



Who do you think are scum in the Neon wagon?

I would not have swapped my vote at 3:59. I likely would have kept it parked.

I’m still thinking on where the neon wagon came from (scum vs town)

 

[melonrabbit]

I have a holiday party to make it through after that hell I'll be around for this one.

 

[Alexem]

Thinking outside of the scum train:

• I probably feel the best about Melon and Fran and the moment. Both feel to me as if they're pushing to solve, and I find myself agreeing with Fran's line of thinking. I'd lean town on both.
• HP's not been as active as Melon and Fran, but I think he's been raising fair points (addressing the supposed Ty slip, questioning if scum!Geno have been absent, noticing that Zipped had gone after making ten posts). With regards to advising the players with four votes against them to claim - I appreciate that could look sketchy on D1, but under the circumstances I can see that as wanting to avoid a mis-hit. Again, for now I think I lean town.
• I can entertain Ty's claim for now, although as has been pointed out, it's not exactly easy to prove a commuter claim. I'd still like some more security, but with more experience in the room, that does open up the possibility for finding out more through non-lethal means.
• Worthy and Nat have been drifting in and out of my focus. I'd like to be able to tie more to them, but I don't think either are setting off any alarm bells for me. I'm null on both at the moment, but I think I can take that for now.
• Sorian looks to have been making reasonable challenges and observations as of late. I don't know if I'd quite be as willing to put him into the town bracket as Melon, Fran or HP - he's still null overall - but I think I'd like more of a reason to worry about Sorian before I get suspicious. Sorian's a skilled player either way, and I don't think I'd want to take a risk on booting a potential town!Sorian and losing a good solver without some kind of smoking gun.
• Re-reading my D1 notes on Geno, I don't think we've been thinking dis-similarly. I can't really throw stones at his D1 vote for Ty, as that was more or less along the same lines as me. I also noted his suspicion at the Neon train taking off. Again, I'd like more to tie to him, but I'd cautiously lean town for the time being.
• I'm not sure about Muffin. From my notes, I feel like we're of different minds about a few things - I'm not so certain that Chuggs is scum, I'm not so suspicious of Geno. Differences in opinion don't necessarily equate to scumminess, though - I could buy that Muffin's more likely to be a townie frustrated with his skill set. Not somebody I'd think of as likely town yet, but not someone who's setting of any real alarms, either.

 

[Ty4on]

So that said, i feel like people need to put down votes early. If anything vote counts like 6 hours before day end might be more useful to look at each day but only if people actually vote their scum reads and not just run around with pressure votes. If we don't modify something here then these vote records are going to be worthless.

True
Vote: CaptainNuevo

 

[Chuggernaut]

Hey @Chuggernaut you and blarg have posts on geno. Blargs makes it sound like he voted geno for successfully avoiding votes yesterday, but I can follow yours. Help a zip out with why you are voting geno?

I think him parking on Ty is extremely easy to do and has let him get away with giving extremely surface level reads on the rest of the game. He clearly had thoughts on the rest of the game, but they’re very few and far between and you don’t really get much in depth with them. I think his post about not liking the Neon vote feels particularly performative compared to most other people because there’s no real “why” there. It reads like someone trying to make himself look good.

Also him and Muffin just throwing shade at each other while refusing to seriously push each other gives bus

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm planning to play more later so I'm mostly just reading current right now but Chuggs keeps bothering me the more I think about him. I want to re-read him again when I do Fireblend but this defensiveness has been way more than I'd expect. I got shit yesterday for painting him as highly defensive but honestly, now I feel like I understated it yesterday. I get he led a mislynch and that's put auto-sus on him but the posts today just feel so desperate. I get the claim here is his play has evolved since the last time I saw him play but this still feels like someone panicking vs. the normal "everyone should always be defending themselves" line.

Aight you know what

@TheWorthyEdge you get anything last night

 

[Ty4on]

So I'm not counting things wrong and everybody on Neon yesterday have 4 exp?

Mechanically that unlocks a tier 2 power regardless of what happens. Those with 3 can get one if they end up on the defenestration.
Mafia probably have some decent powers they can unlock and speaking of powers...

Tier 3 (6 exp): Divine Smite

This ability will allow you to perform sequential Vigilante shots at night.If your first target is a member of the mafia team you will be allowed to target another player that same night, and keep going until you hit a town player or all mafia team members have been killed. When that happens, you and all your targets will perish. Please note that this ability cannot be used after Night 6.

Jeez what a power. With god reads you can just annihilate the team like that lmao

 

[Hedin]

Sawneeks will be replaced

 

[Ty4on]

Damn, I was mafia in Danny Phantom with TheWorthyEdge 9 years ago.....

Anyways, he might've changed since then, probably quite a lot, but I am really not seeing the scum player I played with back then here. He's so effortlessly being town here.

Literally not even worth it lmao I’ve engaged with you on this enough. The fact you think I “spiraled” is the best part.

It's literally a joke to him that someone thinks he's scummy.

 

[Natiko]

I’m going to not over think anything for now and throw a vote on Nin. I just am not seeing any reason to townread him currently, and I think I’d like to hear more from them before day end.

VOTE: nin

Since you're here. Have you put thoughts out on Natiko? I feel like he keeps slipping into my blindspot because he definitely has big posts but then I never remember the content of his stuff later when I'm trying to recall it. And I'm not really seeing anyone else mention him either.

Yeah, but hard not to be when I have one of the lowest post counts. It be like that sometimes lol

This are the posts of Natiko about Febe:









I think the progression is good. Feels townie to me.

On the other way is post regarding Alexem are kind of sus:







He doesn't like Alexem but never voted there. Maybe it's something to go back in the future with more flips.

I just really didn’t think the Alex flip was going to lead to solid info outside of just blindly hoping my read is right. I voiced similar complaints about Neon I believe. I will say I at least think Alexem is trending upwards now but I’m not sure I’d put them at a null or above still.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Aight you know what

@TheWorthyEdge you get anything last night

What do you mean?

Unrelated to Chuggs question, reads list will be done when I get home as promised.

 

[Chuggernaut]

What do you mean?

Unrelated to Chuggs question, reads list will be done when I get home as promised.

Did you receive a thing

 

[Chuggernaut]

A fruit perhaps

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

the answer? no.

I have 0 idea what you’re talking about.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Why did you reply to Sorian with that question? Was this a way to ‘prove’ you’re Town? Because if so…I received absolutely nothing last night. Sorry in advance lmao

 

[Ty4on]

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Yeah I’m excited for this one lol

 

[turmoil7]

I imagine what happened..... But will let Chuggs explain it

 

[Ty4on]

I imagine what happened..... But will let Chuggs explain it

Yea...

 

[Chuggernaut]

USELESS ASS ROLE

 

[Natiko]

Oh boy

 

[Chuggernaut]

Okay so I'm a fruit vendor. Each tier gives me a different fruit I can send that can do fun things upon getting them but I can only use one of each tier. Sent one to TWE last night. He didn't get it obviously. So I either got role blocked or I hit this PR's 20% chance of just not sending anything