RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[Ty4on]

It lives!

Spoiler

Only had to upgrade a couple of packages and the script was as good as new.

Now to do some actual Mafia playing.

nice :o

 

[malus]

Awe, graphs. A nice little dose of nostalgia. I don’t remember like any posts from you though or what your stances are off the top of my head. Like you might be my biggest blind spot now that I’m thinking about it.

I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.

 

[Ty4on]

I much prefer a Captain vote over Muffin.
For those into info it makes yesterdays' wagons a lot more interesting, but I just think he has a much higher chance of being mafia.

 

[HPSauce]

If you actually believe you're in the game for the long haul there's little reason to be gagging for XP

 

[malus]

Finished reading up on Cap and there's just not really all that much there. Most of it is mechanics talk without connecting it to any reads. Even his day start post is just him explaining how to use xp and then questions to three players, one of which was nightkilled and one question was again about mechanics. The only thing that vaguely resembles solving was the question to me, but he never followed up on that.
He then puts a vote on HP for role fishing, which he later abandons when nobody takes him up on it and sheeps Muffins read on Geno.

vote: CaptainNuevo

 

[Blargonaut]

hmph

well I continue to peruse these Pages yet to wit this scum liste of mine doth be thusly comprised of uhh:

malus​

turm​

Zip​

Alex​

Ty​

melon​

If you asked me reason(s) I'd reply this is my soulscry

 

[Blargonaut]

I taste scum between the lot of em

gut says me

 

[Blargonaut]

hmm dunno about cap I don't feel he's scum rn despite me being heavily icked out by his yucky pre-typed post

 

[turmoil7]

6 hours left and 4* not voting

*3 if we exclude Ael

 

[Blargonaut]

UNVOTE

 

[turmoil7]

UNVOTE

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (5 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381
Franconp - #1,547
malus - #1,605

nin1000 (3 votes)
Alexem - #1,346
turmoil7 - #1,354
Natiko - #1,387
Blargonaut - #1,514 #1,610

Geno (2 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186 #1,492
Chuggernaut - #1,221
CaptainNuevo - #1,455

Chuggernaut (2 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125
Muffin - #1,463
Blargonaut - #1,492 #1,514

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231 #1,455

Not voting: Zippedpinhead, nin1000, TheWorthyEdge, Blargonaut, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 66 TheWorthyEdge: 63 Blargonaut: 62 Franconp: 51 CaptainNuevo: 48 Sorian: 35 melonrabbit: 34 Ty4on: 28 The Wizard: 24 Muffin: 24 Sawneeks: 23 turmoil7: 22 Geno: 20 nin1000: 16 HPSauce: 16 Alexem: 15 malus: 11 Zippedpinhead: 10 Natiko: 9 Aeleus: 2

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[melonrabbit]

shame on y'all

Nah.

Not the way I wanna play.

 

[malus]

Vote:Chuggs

Convince me to move this dawg

Do you have any update on this?

 

[Natiko]

I just found out my therapist needs to delay our session so now I’ll be getting mentally and emotionally swole instead of being around for day end. It feels oddly muted today, but I can’t tell if that’s because mafia is just feeling cooked this phase or if they’re content with the options on deck. At this point though my debate between which reads to follow feels pretty moot, there’s no real purpose in me pushing the wagons even more apart right now.

I’ll throw together my overall reads before day end if I have time.

 

[melonrabbit]

Literally just woke up and in search for the coffee. Sorry Wiz, your quest is postponed for the moment.

Also survived the work party since no one asked.

I'm max null on nin but feels kinda a wasted vote for today. Not sure what info that would provided.

For the record, I would've voted sneeks today but wanna give Ael an opportunity to say more than hello. Not sure I how feels about the present votes on Chuggs. Hp asking Chuggs to convince him otherwise? Combined with RNG fruit vendor? And such a random target ? Math not matching for me.

 

[melonrabbit]

Do you have any update on this?

This was no convincing from what I see. I am very sleepy still without coffee.

 

[HPSauce]

Do you have any update on this?

I'll be moving my vote yeah

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Captain, Muffin, Zipped, Chuggs. I’d be willing to vote for them…woke up still not understanding Chuggs at all.

 

[Chuggernaut]

The nin one is definitely lazy because that’s just low hanging fruit of low activity but how do you figure the Coppa one is lazy? Even with the uptick of activity today, I am seeing nothing at all that makes me want to even slightly town read him.

I'm just going to use this post to go over both of these.

So nin before placing down the Neon questioned if scum was pushing that vote...only for his next post to be voting for Neon with me and Febe which that, on top of him being nin and just not having much in terms of content seems to be the scum read there. But I just really struggle to see the scum motivation here? He's clearly not trying to save a teammate because he would have just hopped on an actual viable wagon here because from where he was at, the neon wagon might have have even taken off. If he's just trying to hop on any wagon he lands on the one that's going to look the worst for him for some reason because again, literally just questioned it in the post before and didn't exactly give himself a great reason to go there.

What I am seeing with nin is someone who doesn't seem to care that much about how he looks, but I'm not seeing anything that really reads as scummy.

So here's my Cap defense. He had an excuse to not be around EoD. Time zones are a thing and he already mentioned earlier he probably wasn't going to be around. Despite that he's around and posting anyway and something I am seeing ignored is the neon vote didn't actually come out of nowhere for him. He asks 30 minutes before EoD about trying to understand the case before throwing a vote down there near EoD. And scum Cap SHOULD have been in a spot where looking good socially was better than being on the vote at days end. He was up for a vote that didn't really fall apart until late so he was going to get looked at and things would have been even worse for him had there not been a rush of people right after him.

So maybe he has a role that's so good for the scum team it was worth looking incredibly sketchy to get the XP, but if that's the case I don't know what the fuck he's doing today because it's sure not trying to live. Scum Cap should be going after me right now. Scum Cap should be going after nin right now. Even if you aren't convinced on me and nins alignments this is where you should be busing and he's just...not for some reason. He has come to my defense even. He's, as you said, talked a lot about roles and mechanics which is very easy for scum to do, but honestly the more I look at it, I kind of think this might be how the guy solves. Someone mentioned last phase he doesn't feel teamed and that's still honestly what I'm seeing here. The worst I can say about Cap is it looks like he landed where he did for the XP, but so did 4 other people and I'm struggling to see the reason he's the worst looking of those 4.

If I'm wrong about one of these, it's probably Cap, but I really think both of these just flip town.

 

[HPSauce]

This was no convincing from what I see. I am very sleepy still without coffee.

Can't see the Chuggs vote happening today the energy isnt here for it post-claim. Will have to come back round to it later.

 

[malus]

Captain, Muffin, Zipped, Chuggs. I’d be willing to vote for them…woke up still not understanding Chuggs at all.

What's the case against Zipped?

 

[Chuggernaut]

I feel like I can only describe Muffins play today as performative tunneling

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Zippedpinhead (he/him)
Post Count: 18
Voted for: Neon at the last minute “for the XP”
Direct Interactions with: Fran, HP, Geno, Alexem, Ty
Mentions: Ty, Neon, Chuggs (Town), Sorian (Town), Turm (lean scum), Captain (lean scum)

“Only 48 hours? Ok I’ve been reading the Ty sharing controversy and discussion. Complicated games tend to have more going on and while it can solve a game, it rarely does and never on the first day.

today is good, ol’ fashioned talk and shit post until we decide someone said something they did not intend, we discuss and then we vote them. That’s honestly my favorite day 1. The Ty thing is nice discourse at least.”

• States that their favorite day 1 is when someone makes a slip and we vote them out. Ty makes a slip which Zipped references and in turn…

“In truth, I want to no vote, which I don’t think I have done since WDIOTL, but I know that is not how this process works.”

• …says he want a no vote? This is completely counter to how his preferable Day 1 goes.

“With day 1 I am always the worst on reading breadcrumbs and slips. But I’m reading since Franconp’s quote and since my last post, is it weird that I like Turms Cap vote but still kinda want to vote Turm?

that’s where my headspace is, but I don’t like it.
vote: turmoil7”

• Zipped scum reads both of them, so it doesn’t take much to state that he likes the Turm vote on Cap but ends up voting on Turm. He later changes his vote to Neon. I could see this as potentially distancing himself from both Turm and Cap. The bigger story will be why he voted on Neon at the last minute which works for him because if Turm or Cap do flip scum, he’ll be able to distance himself from them by saying he was willing to vote for them before. XP excuse, an obvious wagon, and able to distance himself from people.

“@HPSauce, @Geno and @Alexem why are your votes still on Ty? Since the conversation has moved off, and the rest of the voting is largely today vs yesterday (in the split of the current mafia days 48 hr period), im looking for why you three haven’t moved yet.

captain’s vote, while I disagree with it, is at least recent.

I dunno it’s just weird”

• I don’t necessarily like this question. Almost like he’s phishing for someone to move somewhere else. Another tie to Ty. Also just…a nothingburger of a question. What are these 3 people going to say?

“Ty4on said:
Let's say both wagons disappear, where do you place your vote?

Probably Captainnuevo over neon, and if all of the top four go then I’m likely the next group push so whoever is the competing vote getter”

• Once again, easy for him to say when the winds were blowing in the direction of Neon. He is consistent on scum reading Cap.

“Because the neon votes feel like “let’s start an alternate vote to the current top”, vs two of the three cap votes which are “pressure” votes and blarg, who I have no reason to trust (but always think blarg’s reads/posts are fun as much as insightful).

neither are GOOD reads by me though. I just like what I’ve read from neon more than what I’ve read from captain”

• Once again brings up Captain and how he reads him as scum but throws in how he likes Neon's posts more right before voting for him. I get it. XP. But this is still sketch.

LEAN: Scum

@malus

 

[melonrabbit]

For Cap I was interested to see how the gimmick would evolve on D2 and I must say with great disappointment that there has been far less a commitment to Squalling today and a overall lack of whimzy.

The walkway also makes the performance on D1 feel like more of a chore to get through than memes and I feel like town!Cap would've stuck to their gunblades more and doubled down today.

 

[melonrabbit]

Can't see the Chuggs vote happening today the energy isnt here for it post-claim. Will have to come back round to it later.

And yet neon happened yesterday.

There is still time.

 

[Sorian]

I just found out my therapist needs to delay our session so now I’ll be getting mentally and emotionally swole instead of being around for day end. It feels oddly muted today, but I can’t tell if that’s because mafia is just feeling cooked this phase or if they’re content with the options on deck. At this point though my debate between which reads to follow feels pretty moot, there’s no real purpose in me pushing the wagons even more apart right now.

I’ll throw together my overall reads before day end if I have time.

I’m a little bit concerned about this too, there is so little defense for Coppa, even from himself and it does kind of feel like scum is comfy but I’m not fully convinced on that and I don’t really feel like excusing this read again for a second day just based on my paranoia

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I’d be willing to…

vote: Muffin

 

[Sorian]

@Chuggernaut id argue both Muffin and Coppa have been performative.

Muffin performative tunneling is good phrasing.

Coppa’s performative descriptor more has to do with how hard he wants to soft claim but just enough that it reads to me like he is trying to get other people to out little things about their role. I’ve almost dropped little things about my role at least twice today and both were because of his posts. He wants to know people’s roles for some reason.

 

[Alexem]

If I were to move my vote right now, I'd go to Muffin or possibly Turmoil over Cap. Cap was on the Neon train, but he's borderline for me - I don't know if he's necessarily on the right track, particularly with regards to Geno, but I have this suspicion that his posting manner's been used to make him look worse than he is. I'd also be interested in seeing where his claimed T1 action goes, if anywhere.

On the other hand, I'm suspect of Muffin's continued pushing for Chuggs - I don't know if that's from an error in judgement or if it's shading, but as I'm leaning town on Chuggs, it rubs me the wrong way. Turmoil's similarly pushing against Chuggs, and I'm not sure about his case against Worthy, either. Nin still isn't fully in the clear for me yet, although I did like his engagement with Blarg, but I could move my vote to those two.

For completeness, Sneeks was in the same group of Neon voters as Nin, Turmoil and Cap, but as Aeleus has only just subbed in, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

But I will say. If I don’t see any movement on Muffin I’m jumping on Captain. I think both are totally fine votes and I missed out on my XP from yesterday…

 

[Alexem]

But I will say. If I don’t see any movement on Muffin I’m jumping on Captain. I think both are totally fine votes and I missed out on my XP from yesterday…

OK, if Nin's a non-goer today, I'll back you up on that.

VOTE: Muffin

 

[melonrabbit]

Vote: CaptainNuevo

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Chuggernaut id argue both Muffin and Coppa have been performative.

Muffin performative tunneling is good phrasing.

Coppa’s performative descriptor more has to do with how hard he wants to soft claim but just enough that it reads to me like he is trying to get other people to out little things about their role. I’ve almost dropped little things about my role at least twice today and both were because of his posts. He wants to know people’s roles for some reason.

I very much get the role fishing argument and normally that would be a giant red flag for me, but I don't know. Some of the things he's saying feel like they would be better kept in scums back pocket rather than out loud. Maybe this is a me problem but I still just don't get why this is how scum Cap plays this when there's just significantly better options he could be going for. Like scum aren't always going to play perfectly, but he's currently the leading wagon and the game plan seems "I don't know, role fish?" and that truly does not make sense to me to the point where it just flips over to genuine

 

[Chuggernaut]

Vote: Muffin

I don't really expect this to go anywhere, but I'll put my money where my mouth is

 

[Franconp]

And scum Cap SHOULD have been in a spot where looking good socially was better than being on the vote at days end.

Unless he is scum and he really wanted the xp. Depending of their roles I think some scum could skip optics and go for power.

Scum Cap should be going after nin right now. Even if you aren't convinced on me and nins alignments this is where you should be busing and he's just...not for some reason.

That's because he is doing no reads at all. At this point, and with more than 100 posts, is sus that we don't have a clue what his reads are. It feels on purpose.

The worst I can say about Cap is it looks like he landed where he did for the XP, but so did 4 other people and I'm struggling to see the reason he's the worst looking of those 4.

You think that neither of them is scum?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Unless he is scum and he really wanted the xp. Depending of their roles I think some scum could skip optics and go for power.



That's because he is doing no reads at all. At this point, and with more than 100 posts, is sus that we don't have a clue what his reads are. It feels on purpose.



You think that neither of them is scum?

Granted I need to go back and sort through them, but I know he's town reading me off the top of my head so I don't know how accurate it is he has no reads.

But that's right I don't think either is scum

 

[The Wizard]

Wagonomics thoughts

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End

Neon (10 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989
Sawneeks - #1,083
CaptainNuevo - #1,092
The Wizard - #1,094
malus - #1,105
Blargonaut - #1,107
Zippedpinhead - #1,111

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794 #1,111
Neon - #887
Sorian - #1,097

Ty4on (2 votes)
HPSauce - #345 #999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773 #1,092
Sawneeks - #937 #1,083

CaptainNuevo (2 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759 #1,105
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792 #989
Blargonaut - #833 #1,072
Ty4on - #1,024

Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

• Neon
  • There's been some talk of how xp switches up traditional incentives. I think someone (malus?) made a point about grabbing an xp point because there are limited spots before hammer and a point that goes to town can deny a point to scum. I could see a scum team having a similar point of view. We don't know how their powers work yet but it makes sense that everyone wants xp. It makes sense that scum would be on this.
  • Removing Febe and myself leaves 8. Chuggs I feel good about. nin is a bit of a wildcard, don't love that he ignored me about his Neon vote but I also don't expect consistency from him. turm is definitely more in the background today but I liked some of his day 1 posts. Sneeks I hope Ael helps clear up cause something felt off despite some high effort posts. Captain went from posting about fluff to mechanics, votes seem like pretty blatant self-preservation moves. malus is in the background as usual, I think the vote itself was pretty weak in shading it while joining. Blarg I'm liking what I saw today, slightly paranoid about the claim but I think he's not just relying on that to do nothing. Zipped seemed like a blatant xp grab, which I could see town!zipped doing but he's not giving us anything.
    • Poe: nin, Captain, malus, zipped,
    • Would like to have figured out: turm, Ael
• Turm (town lean)
  • Feel good about TWE, neon was town. If turm is also town could be scum between Nat or Sorian here. Coming off day 1 I'd flip Sorian before Nat but it does seem like Sorian has mellowed as the game goes on and one of my fears (that his hard defense of Neon was a chainsaw) is alleviated.
• Ty (town lean)
  • Geno and Alexem on here, would flip Alex before Geno as I think it's weird that there was resistance to the vote there yesterday. I've seen scum Geno do the stubborn tunnel thing so I think he could be scum here too.
• Captain (scum?)
  • I like both Fran and Ty. If there was a scum in contention yesterday Captain is my guess.
• Off wagon islanders
  • I still like HP and melon
  • muffin I'm kinda null on.

 

[turmoil7]

On the other hand, I'm suspect of Muffin's continued pushing for Chuggs - I don't know if that's from an error in judgement or if it's shading, but as I'm leaning town on Chuggs, it rubs me the wrong way. Turmoil's similarly pushing against Chuggs, and I'm not sure about his case against Worthy, either. Nin still isn't fully in the clear for me yet, although I did like his engagement with Blarg, but I could move my vote to those two.

Just for the record I'm leaning town on Chuggs rn, sorry if I was confusing at some point

 

[Sorian]

Granted I need to go back and sort through them, but I know he's town reading me off the top of my head so I don't know how accurate it is he has no reads.

But that's right I don't think either is scum

At this point, I don’t really care about only town reads. Scum can town read people all day, that’s easy.

 

[Alexem]

Just for the record I'm leaning town on Chuggs rn, sorry if I was confusing at some point

Duly noted, that's what I get for catching up on the overnight play while I was still half asleep.

 

[malus]

@malus

Thanks. I can see how the flipflop on Neon doesn't paint the best picture of Zipped, though I feel like a lot of last minute votes on Neon came from a similar position.

 

[Ty4on]

I think that of the people who joined the Neon push Nin is very suspicious, like he wants to have a vote down but doesn't want to vote for a main wagon to not have to take responsibility for a bad vote. It just happened that the side wagon he voted turned into the main wagon

for now
vote: Nin

Side note: I just found out you can tap "toggle view" in the vote tool to see the "game timeline", holy shit that's awesome *tears of joy*

I don't really get this vote.

Let’s try to make this interesting. I also want to know what the fuzz is all about Neon.

Vote: Neon

Yeah I believe Ty is town.

You know what, I will switch to Neon to see if it moves the waters

vote:Neon

Both of these votes basically look the same to me and they're made just 40 minutes apart. Why is it sus for nin to essentially make the same type of vote that you made Turm?

 

[turmoil7]

I don't really get this vote.



Both of these votes basically look the same to me and they're made just 40 minutes apart. Why is it sus for nin to essentially make the same type of vote that you made Turm?

Because I know I am town, sorry there is not a big theory behind it

 

[Franconp]

But that's right I don't think either is scum

You think that scum doesn't care about xp? Where is scum then?

 

[melonrabbit]

Where is scum then?

Rn here bb.

 

[melonrabbit]

Phone bad.

Right here bb.

:(

 

[Chuggernaut]

You think that scum doesn't care about xp? Where is scum then?

Do you think scum doesn't care about looking good off a flip?

 

[Ty4on]

Because I know I am town, sorry there is not a big theory behind it

But couldn’t nin have had the same motivation as you making him more town?

 

[melonrabbit]

Depends on the player.

I think that matters and here they have the weak excuse that gaining xp helps town so they should like sus at the end of the day.

 

[Franconp]

Do you think scum doesn't care about looking good off a flip?

In this game? Not that much when you can just claim that you were xp hunting. We spent a bit talking during D1 about the xp rule affecting the votes:

I think the mechanics make easy to justify(for scum) an early hammer by saying they wanted the exp the next day.

I think we should agree to not hammer without wide consensus by the town

Idk that I like that this game, at least early on, incentivizes everyone to steamroll one vote instead of having good competing wagons. Once we unlock all three of our skills, it can even out more but as it stands, the game really does just want us all pick one person and get everyone we can onto the vote to min-max exp.

And that's the first 2 that I found.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Like I get the XP aspect is new, but this is still mafia and the name of the game for any scum team is still going to be looking good on a flip. I do legit think there's a more of a reason for scum to be self conscious jumping on that Neon vote than players who are town.

 

[Franconp]

@Chuggernaut You still didn't answer where is scum then.

This was the leading wagon D1:

Neon / NeonBorealis (10 votes)
Chuggernaut / Chuggs - #911
Fireblend / Febe - #914
nin1000 / nin - #946
turmoil7 / turm - #989
Sawneeks / Sneeks - #1,083
CaptainNuevo / Captain - #1,092
The Wizard - #1,094
malus - #1,105
Blargonaut - #1,107
Zippedpinhead / Zipped - #1,111

Febe was town. You claim town. If the last 5 are town because optics then who is scum here? You are only left with Nin, Turm and Sneeks. Nin you said town. So, who then? Turm and Sneeks? Or you think it's pure? If so, would all scum vote off wagon and give town all the xp?

 

[turmoil7]

What I find suspicious about Cap is that despite being at 4 votes for a long time on D1(one of them mine) not many voted for him despite getting some suspicion on Iirc. Probably scum being reluctant to bussing? But what I really believe is that he is excited for his PR and wants to get to use it. I have the slightest town lean on him.

I'm currently town reading Chuggs so I must admit Muffin's position on Chuggs irks me a bit.

If it comes to Caps vs Muffin I think I will vote for Muffin.

 

[melonrabbit]

Like I get the XP aspect is new, but this is still mafia and the name of the game for any scum team is still going to be looking good on a flip. I do legit think there's a more of a reason for scum to be self conscious jumping on that Neon vote than players who are town.

Mafia means different things to different folk.

And if you no longer care how you are viewed you are free. Free 4ever.

I understand now @Blargonaut I understand ur final lesson.

 

[Chuggernaut]

In this game? Not that much when you can just claim that you were xp hunting. We spent a bit talking during D1 about the xp rule affecting the votes:





And that's the first 2 that I found.

Yeah and the fact that we talked about it this much is going to be make any scum team who is paying attention scared to be doing shit like that. Like y'all have to stop looking for a scum team that's this bold. The goal is not to be found, not get access to a PR. I'm sure they would like to do both, but I would put money on the team finding the first point more important. I have been on many a team where we've lost a good PR early and still gone on to win. Playing mafia well is what wins games for scum.

 

[Sorian]

This is still my problem. You could make a case that scum wouldn’t jump on the vote and then just as easily make a case just as good that scum would jump on the vote.

 

[melonrabbit]

I'm currently town reading Chuggs so I must admit Muffin's position on Chuggs irks me a bit.

What is Muffin's position? I must've missed it.

 

[melonrabbit]

This is still my problem. You could make a case that scum wouldn’t jump on the vote and then just as easily make a case just as good that scum would jump on the vote.

That's like the whole game tho.

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Chuggernaut You still didn't answer where is scum then.

This was the leading wagon D1:

Neon / NeonBorealis (10 votes)
Chuggernaut / Chuggs - #911
Fireblend / Febe - #914
nin1000 / nin - #946
turmoil7 / turm - #989
Sawneeks / Sneeks - #1,083
CaptainNuevo / Captain - #1,092
The Wizard - #1,094
malus - #1,105
Blargonaut - #1,107
Zippedpinhead / Zipped - #1,111

Febe was town. You claim town. If the last 5 are town because optics then who is scum here? You are only left with Nin, Turm and Sneeks. Nin you said town. So, who then? Turm and Sneeks? Or you think it's pure? If so, would all scum vote off wagon and give town all the xp?

My order here from most to least scummy would be Ael, Malus, Wiz, Zipped, but Ael is the only one there I would entertain flipping anytime soon.

I legit think we have better odds outside of this vote

 

[The Wizard]

Literally just woke up and in search for the coffee. Sorry Wiz, your quest is postponed for the moment.

So maybe he has a role that's so good for the scum team it was worth looking incredibly sketchy to get the XP, but if that's the case I don't know what the fuck he's doing today because it's sure not trying to live. Scum Cap should be going after me right now. Scum Cap should be going after nin right now. Even if you aren't convinced on me and nins alignments this is where you should be busing and he's just...not for some reason. He has come to my defense even. He's, as you said, talked a lot about roles and mechanics which is very easy for scum to do, but honestly the more I look at it, I kind of think this might be how the guy solves. Someone mentioned last phase he doesn't feel teamed and that's still honestly what I'm seeing here. The worst I can say about Cap is it looks like he landed where he did for the XP, but so did 4 other people and I'm struggling to see the reason he's the worst looking of those 4.

I’m a little bit concerned about this too, there is so little defense for Coppa, even from himself and it does kind of feel like scum is comfy but I’m not fully convinced on that and I don’t really feel like excusing this read again for a second day just based on my paranoia

I will say I wanted to vote a little early on Captain because I wanted to see if he started leading if there would be an attempt to dig him out and I'm not really seeing one? Granted sometimes scum do nothing and see if town blink but it feels static despite people being active.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Actually I'll go ahead and make a note Blarg is kind of dropping for me actually. Really wanted to lock that slot as town, but I don't think I can

 

[turmoil7]

What is Muffin's position? I must've missed it.

VOTE: Chuggernaut

I do not buy the role having a 70% chance to do nothing and I was scum reading him anyway already, so I'm putting my vote down now in case I sleep through next EOD which is not unlikely.

Also why would there be 20% of not doing anything and 50% of just being a fruit? There is no mechanical difference for this distinction to exist unless Chuggs is only partially claiming, which could be either a ruse to towns benefit or just scum using half truths for a fake claim, and I lean the latter.

Do it then instead of your wishy washy Geno vote

That second post I quoted makes me doubt because seems frustrated townie..... Damn

 

[melonrabbit]

I will say I wanted to vote a little early on Captain because I wanted to see if he started leading if there would be an attempt to dig him out and I'm not really seeing one? Granted sometimes scum do nothing and see if town blink but it feels static despite people being active.

I found coffee and added it to my inventory.

The silence from Cap as vote leader is ...whatevering. Or like just not great.

I don't see Cap as town being so passive so

 

[melonrabbit]

That second post I quoted makes me doubt because seems frustrated townie..... Damn

Is it the first or second post that irks you most?

I believe aspects of Chuggs claim but idk if the RNG is one of them.

I do think the Geno vote was kinda out of left field given that Sneeks was pointing the finger directly at Chuggs and saying he made her vote Neon.

 

[Franconp]

My order here from most to least scummy would be Ael, Malus, Wiz, Zipped, but Ael is the only one there I would entertain flipping anytime soon.

I legit think we have better odds outside of this vote

Fine, then let's review off wagon:

turmoil7 / turm (4 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Neon / NeonBorealis - #887
Sorian - #1,097

CaptainNuevo / Captain (2 votes)
Franconp / Fran - #765
Ty4on / Ty - #1,024

Ty4on / Ty (2 votes)
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448

Zippedpinhead / Zipped (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks / Sneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit / melon - #671


Turm with 4 was the secon wagon. I actually feel good about this one. Neon was town, Sorian seems town and Natiko and TWE are town leans from me. If there is a pure wagon this seems like a good candidate. Which makes Turm look bad.

Captain wagon is only Ty and I. I'm town and Ty seems town, maybe?. Besides the slip-gate he hasn't raised any read flags and feels more town!Ty than scum!Ty.

Ty wagon is just Geno and Alexem. I think that Alexem feels town but it's not a great read, so maybe he is scum offwagon? Geno, I don't have a clue. I don't know if this is stubborn Town!Geno or is Scum!Geno pulling an easy line. Maybe this wagon is all scum? But a wagon with only 2 scum players seems weird. If it's one of them maybe Geno for me.

Zipped, Geno and Sneeks only had one vote. On those wagons I like Melon and HP, feeling better about Melon than HP but I don't think neither are scum. Muffin feels scummy. I can see scum there if we are looking offwagon.

I still think that there are, at least, 2 scum in the Neon wagon. Off wagon, I would say Muffin is the most likely. Geno would be a distant second.

 

[turmoil7]

Is it the first or second post that irks you most?

I believe aspects of Chuggs claim but idk if the RNG is one of them.

I do think the Geno vote was kinda out of left field given that Sneeks was pointing the finger directly at Chuggs and saying he made her vote Neon.

The one that irks me more is the one saying he doesn't believe the claim.

In a normal mafia game most players are weak(vanillas and goons), not everyone can have the cool roles so it stands to reason that in a (normal) Role Madness most roles will be weak too. To me something like the 80% fruit vendor is just something that can happen, also Ty confirmed % roles. Such stubbornness is weird to me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Fine, then let's review off wagon:

turmoil7 / turm (4 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Neon / NeonBorealis - #887
Sorian - #1,097

CaptainNuevo / Captain (2 votes)
Franconp / Fran - #765
Ty4on / Ty - #1,024

Ty4on / Ty (2 votes)
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448

Zippedpinhead / Zipped (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks / Sneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit / melon - #671


Turm with 4 was the secon wagon. I actually feel good about this one. Neon was town, Sorian seems town and Natiko and TWE are town leans from me. If there is a pure wagon this seems like a good candidate. Which makes Turm look bad.

Captain wagon is only Ty and I. I'm town and Ty seems town, maybe?. Besides the slip-gate he hasn't raised any read flags and feels more town!Ty than scum!Ty.

Ty wagon is just Geno and Alexem. I think that Alexem feels town but it's not a great read, so maybe he is scum offwagon? Geno, I don't have a clue. I don't know if this is stubborn Town!Geno or is Scum!Geno pulling an easy line. Maybe this wagon is all scum? But a wagon with only 2 scum players seems weird. If it's one of them maybe Geno for me.

Zipped, Geno and Sneeks only had one vote. On those wagons I like Melon and HP, feeling better about Melon than HP but I don't think neither are scum. Muffin feels scummy. I can see scum there if we are looking offwagon.

I still think that there are, at least, 2 scum in the Neon wagon. Off wagon, I would say Muffin is the most likely. Geno would be a distant second.

Yeah see this is why I landed on Geno and Muffin. I really think people need to reconsider Nat. I think people are forgetting dude is pretty damn good at this game, and he hasn't really done anything that would be outlandish for scum or anything that screams town. If we're expecting a 4 person scum team I would lean more toward 3 off and 1 on, but Nat is the one I'm not really sure about in that solve

 

[Franconp]

In a normal mafia game most players are weak(vanillas and goons), not everyone can have the cool roles so it stands to reason that in a (normal) Role Madness most roles will be weak too. To me something like the 80% fruit vendor is just something that can happen, also Ty confirmed % roles. Such stubbornness is weird to me.

In a normal mafia game you also don't need to wait 3/4 nigths doing nothing just to use a one-shot ability. And if it fails you gain nothing and have to wait more time to get another one.

 

[HPSauce]

Vote:Muffin

I'm okay with both the votes to be honest, will go Muffin for now though.

 

[Chuggernaut]

The one that irks me more is the one saying he doesn't believe the claim.

In a normal mafia game most players are weak(vanillas and goons), not everyone can have the cool roles so it stands to reason that in a (normal) Role Madness most roles will be weak too. To me something like the 80% fruit vendor is just something that can happen, also Ty confirmed % roles. Such stubbornness is weird to me.

Yeah that's why I'm saying it feels fake. He really hasn't done anything today aside from just tunnel me forever, and while I understand not buying my role especially because I don't have anything solid that confirms it, I feel like Muffin is going out of his way to read me in bad faith and I just don't really buy it. I could be misremembering here but getting stuck in a stubborn tunnel isn't exactly something I remember being common for Muffins town game

 

[Chuggernaut]

HP why is your text so large

 

[Franconp]

I really think people need to reconsider Nat.

This was my read on Natiko:

I feel the same way about Natiko. I know that he is here but I'm pretty much null about him. I remember that I liked some thing but didn't know what. So I did a quick ISO and he doesn't have a lot of post but the ones he has seems fine. I keep thinking that the reactions are ok. The progression on his read on Febe seems natural which makes me think he actually tried to read that spot. And I think that his vote on Turm makes sense D1. I liked this post D2 because it was something that I was going to post and he beat me to it:



So, kinda townie I think. I wouldn't vote there today (unless something comes up).

This are the posts of Natiko about Febe:









I think the progression is good. Feels townie to me.

On the other way is post regarding Alexem are kind of sus:







He doesn't like Alexem but never voted there. Maybe it's something to go back in the future with more flips.

What do you think about the read? Do you think I'm wrong?

If we're expecting a 4 person scum team I would lean more toward 3 off and 1 on, but Nat is the one I'm not really sure about in that solve

Isn't a 4 scum team small? Mafia math is generally a 25% of the roster so 21*0.25 gives 5.25 which makes me think 5 scum and 1 neutral.

 

[HPSauce]

HP why is your text so large

I always forget how to do the highlight text thingy when I vote so I have it saved in my notes app + just copy and paste it in + it keeps the text size from that obviously lol

 

[turmoil7]

Yeah I would assume a 5 members scum team for this game size*

*Unless they have extra kills in their PRs

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (6 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381
Franconp - #1,547
malus - #1,605
melonrabbit - #1,633

Muffin (4 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #1,628
Alexem - #1,632
Chuggernaut - #1,635
HPSauce - #1,670

nin1000 (2 votes)
Alexem - #1,346 #1,632
turmoil7 - #1,354
Natiko - #1,387
Blargonaut - #1,514 #1,610

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

Geno (1 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186 #1,492
Chuggernaut - #1,221 #1,635
CaptainNuevo - #1,455

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125 #1,670
Muffin - #1,463
Blargonaut - #1,492 #1,514

HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231 #1,455

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277 #1,633

Not voting: Zippedpinhead, nin1000, Blargonaut, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 79 TheWorthyEdge: 67 Blargonaut: 62 Franconp: 58 CaptainNuevo: 48 melonrabbit: 48 Sorian: 39 Ty4on: 30 turmoil7: 28 The Wizard: 26 Muffin: 24 Sawneeks: 23 HPSauce: 20 Geno: 20 Alexem: 18 nin1000: 16 malus: 14 Natiko: 10 Zippedpinhead: 10 Aeleus: 2

Current Countdown:

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[turmoil7]

I'm switching from Nin to Muffin

vote: Muffin

 

[Chuggernaut]

HP why is your text so large

This was my read on Natiko:





What do you think about the read? Do you think I'm wrong?



Isn't a 4 scum team small? Mafia math is generally a 25% of the roster so 21*0.25 gives 5.25 which makes me think 5 scum and 1 neutral.

I don't think it's a bad read, and I agree the progression doesn't look bad, but again, I don't think any of that is all that hard to fake. Especially because people really did not seem interested in Febe. Nat's really landed in a real sweet spot here where no one is really looking at him all that hard, but he's also not doing all that much and that's pretty sketchy for me. I'm not really expecting him to have games like he used to, but I think he's playing a very good game right now if he's scum and he's the type of player I know is capable of that.

Also god man I don't know. I haven't played a truly closed setup since the last time this community played

 

[Sorian]

I expect 4 scum + 1 SK type neutral

or 5 scum + 1 benign neutral

I’m not sure how a serial killer would interact with the exp mechanic though

 

[Chuggernaut]

I always forget how to do the highlight text thingy when I vote so I have it saved in my notes app + just copy and paste it in + it keeps the text size from that obviously lol

Oh okay lol. I was like "damn that's a hell of a power move"

 

[melonrabbit]

Tbh after the heat Chuggs received for yesterday's vote I can see a scenario where scum!Chuggs buses scum!Muffin to earn back towny points and get the xp. It also helps "soft" confirm the fruit vendor role.

If Muffin flips scum I'd still wanna flip Chuggs.

 

[melonrabbit]

I expect 4 scum + 1 SK type neutral

or 5 scum + 1 benign neutral

I’m not sure how a serial killer would interact with the exp mechanic though

xp thief that needs a certain amount to escape (battle) idk

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

With XP being such a factor in the game…it is interesting how easy it has been to get a vote moving from scratch.

 

[Sorian]

xp thief that needs a certain amount to escape (battle) idk

I would put this in the benign neutral category

With XP being such a factor in the game…it is interesting how easy it has been to get a vote moving from scratch.

I wouldn’t say Muffin was a from scratch vote, even some of the people on the Coppa vote would switch to Muffin pretty easily.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah I wouldn't really describe this wagon as coming out of nowhere

 

[Blargonaut]

pfft I could embiggen my text in every post but I don't seek glory like that

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I would put this in the benign neutral category



I wouldn’t say Muffin was a from scratch vote, even some of the people on the Coppa vote would switch to Muffin pretty easily.

Yeah I wouldn't really describe this wagon as coming out of nowhere

Right, I just mean from 0 votes to now…tied? Or 1 behind?

 

[Blargonaut]

And if you no longer care how you are viewed you are free. Free 4ever.

I understand now @Blargonaut I understand ur final lesson.

 

[melonrabbit]

:(

 

[Chuggernaut]

Right, I just mean from 0 votes to now…tied? Or 1 behind?

People have been talking it for a bit, and I think there was an appetite for something else. Close wagons are good and this is better than nin imo.

 

[HPSauce]

I'm morally obligated to scum read anyone that posts Zack Fair

 

[turmoil7]

Should we be asking for claims or is it too soon? Having time to consider them would be good...

 

[Blargonaut]

I'm not sure that I vibe with the Chuggs or Turms votes - so far they both feel to me like they're trying to advance things, if from varying angles.

Blarg aside, I feel like I've got the least to tie to Cap and Muffin at the moment - I would have added Nat and Malus, but they've been chipping in recently. Also hoping to hear more from Geno as he catches up.

For now, I'm going to put down a vote for Ty:
VOTE: Ty4on
This would, admittedly be for an info flip - if it were an option I'd prefer it if he were investigated, but if the XP prices in the sample PM and my PM are anything to go by, I don't think anyone's going to be in a position to claim a checking shot until N2. I think flipping Ty could add some context to Neon and the comments on player partnerships. I don't think Neon would have suggested that if the two of them were scum mates.

[...]
This would, admittedly be for an info flip - if it were an option I'd prefer it if he were investigated, but if the XP prices in the sample PM and my PM are anything to go by, I don't think anyone's going to be in a position to claim a checking shot until N2. I think flipping Ty could add some context to Neon and the comments on player partnerships. I don't think Neon would have suggested that if the two of them were scum mates.

[...] but if the XP prices in the sample PM and my PM are anything to go by [...]

[...] But if the XP prices in the sample PM and my PM are anything to go by [...]

 

[Blargonaut]

@Alexem u got different EXP price(s) for your Power(s)?

 

[Ty4on]

Something feels off.
Vote: Geno

 

[Ty4on]

@Alexem u got different EXP price(s) for your Power(s)?

In this economy?

 

[malus]

I found coffee and added it to my inventory.

The silence from Cap as vote leader is ...whatevering. Or like just not great.

I don't see Cap as town being so passive so

To be fair he said he would miss most of EoD.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I think it's the middle of the night where he is?

 

[Ty4on]

I think it's the middle of the night where he is?

What kinda person isn't playing mafia at 4:30am?

 

[Blargonaut]

VOTE: Alexem

u sus & I still think there's scum betwixt thee & Ty & why would u have different EXP prices for ur Power(s) when the sample PM & my PM & the 2 ded Townsfolke PMs are all standard market rate I think u slipped hmm

Maybe u get a discount for being scum hmm

Maybe ur Tier 1 P'w'r can be wielded for the low, low price of one (1) EXP bc ur scum and u need it more hmm

Maybe that's why you chose not to partake of the Neon Yesterday hmm?

You rested ur vote on ur scummie!Ty at Day-end and gathered ur 1exp bc that's all u need for ur scum!Power hmm??