I think they said they are all specifically different flavors or lover's chat. I don't really want to dig into making them claim more than they need to but it sounds like they always make lover's chat but now with more of something else.Didn't Ael claimed that all their abilities are chats with different modifiers? I'm on mobile and can't check.
No matter which of my abilities I use if you're in my chat, if either of us are killed that night then we're both dead.Didn't Ael claimed that all their abilities are chats with different modifiers? I'm on mobile and can't check.
I’m pretty vehemently against a Geno vote. I’d still like Melon today but I would go Muffin as well. I don’t think Geno’s the play personally.
@Geno are you going to claim?
@Chuggernaut are you going to stop voting for yourself? No excuses if you don't have enough EXP to use your tier 3 by endgame
I feel heat from Sorian is what provoked Chuggs to claim, I don’t think their pairing is likely.Not gonna lie, I am worried chuggs is scum with Sorian with how much they support each other
Although I don't think it's the most likely case
unvote
I could see scum expecting Chuggs to be the flip today and getting frustrated at the collapseSeems like I'm the only one that thinks that Chuggs is scum. I don't know why because he hasn't done anything even remotely townie all game.
Whatever,
nin sometimes plays like he’s on a gameshow and the category is “things scum say”I also think he is scum, we are in unity.
Can we agree on doing it Geno -> chuggs then ?
I could see scum expecting Chuggs to be the flip today and getting frustrated at the collapse
If geno doesn't come back I'll make his claim for himI don't mind the Geno/Sorian thunderdome but would prefer for them to claim instead of going blind into EoD
I feel like every town read could be framed as “scum wouldn’t do x” since that’s what we’re trying to figure out, but for me the Neon wagon on day one makes a lot of sense for a town Chuggs who thinks Neon may flip scum compared to a scum Chuggs who knows they will flip town.Ok. Tell me why Chuggs is town without saying "scum wouldn't do that".
Going back through some malus/geno interactions and/or mentions.Why are you against Geno. I really don't think it's Melon. She feels super unpaired
Malus gets a bit upset that you vote for Geno after pushing the Neon vote. This could be considered a tick against Geno. Understandable.All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.
Geno pushes that Malus is scummy here. Possibly distancing himself, or it's a read. Not knowing what alignment Geno is, I'm taking this as a read.From the people on the Neon vote I don't like nin and I'm not sure about malus either, voted there purely for XP and hasn't really played much. I need to read Captain and Chuggs again to see if I agree with others who scum read them
Malus claims to be on board with the Geno vote if Geno keeps on voting for Ty. This could potentially be seen as distancing or kicking the can down the road. Though, he could have easily gotten caught in this. I think that Geno at the time had some growing suspicion on him and Malus claiming to vote for him another day could've gotten him in trouble later on by not being consistent (if he didn't vote for Geno) or voting out a potential scum partner. I'm not sure if this gambit would be worth it for Malus.I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.
So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.
Geno states the obvious about the red check.I'm back home and ready to play, I see a few interesting things happened today, malus is scum, which makes some sense because he was contradicting himself at some point if I remember correctly. We're obviously voting him today regardless of what he might claim, we all know he wasn't nexus. As for nin's claim, it's far from a clear, there have been like at least 5 times where scum had a double vote.
You've made a good choice, though.I'm sick of having no profile picture.
MeWho else still needs EXP to keep proving their powers?
Ael? Muffin?
Melon, Ty, Muffin I'm willing to vote. I don't want to vote either Sorian or Geno. I'm getting bad vibes right now similar to the Neon vote.
Maybe melon is just townThis vote feels Towny af.I don't like chuggs yesterday or today
But I do like chuggs slightly (smidge territory) more than HP.
Idk if I feel like chuggs v sorian or chuggs v sneeks is more fake.
I feel like flipping sneeks gives very little rn now since she is giving us very little rn
and HP is my Aerith stan bro-in-arms
making Chuggs the common denominator among them.
VOTE: Chuggs
Bang. Or whatever.
Almost no build up, shooting from the hip with flimsy reasoning. I like it.
Ech, if this is the direction of travel, then of the two I'd rather vote for Geno. The Sorian train feels more like a policy vote to me and I'm not on board with those.
VOTE: Geno
If Muffin and nin are both town, which I think is likely, Geno fits perfectly as the token scum to shade while never bringing him up again.I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.
So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.
Phrased kind of in a "Muffin is town" way.Finished reading up on Cap and there's just not really all that much there. Most of it is mechanics talk without connecting it to any reads. Even his day start post is just him explaining how to use xp and then questions to three players, one of which was nightkilled and one question was again about mechanics. The only thing that vaguely resembles solving was the question to me, but he never followed up on that.
He then puts a vote on HP for role fishing, which he later abandons when nobody takes him up on it and sheeps Muffins read on Geno.
vote: CaptainNuevo
This is where I’m at. malus posts point at Geno and Muffin in a few places and it feels like it’s just Geno. These posts are different than the ones I pointed out but it’s all the same thing.If Muffin and nin are both town, which I think is likely, Geno fits perfectly as the token scum to shade while never bringing him up again.
Geno is at 3 votes while Captain is at 4.
Phrased kind of in a "Muffin is town" way.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624#745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792#989
Blargonaut - #833
Ty4on - #1,024
Neon (4 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240#678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989
Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345#999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773
Sawneeks - #937
turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36#773
Fireblend - #384#914
malus - #416#759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887
Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797#911
Alexem (1 votes)
Ty4on - #548#965
Sawneeks - #756#937
The Wizard - #784
Ty4on - #1,008#1,024
Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999
Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691
Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678#797
Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475#784
Ty4on - #965#994
Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587#833
Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169#792
Sorian - #377#660
melonrabbit - #626#671
Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378#453
TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743#887
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
CaptainNuevo (6 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381#1,695
Franconp - #1,547
malus - #1,605
melonrabbit - #1,633
Alexem - #1,758
Geno (4 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186#1,492
Chuggernaut - #1,221#1,635
CaptainNuevo - #1,455
Ty4on - #1,695
turmoil7 - #1,724
Chuggernaut - #1,775
Muffin (2 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #1,628
Alexem - #1,632#1,752
Chuggernaut - #1,635#1,759
HPSauce - #1,670
turmoil7 - #1,677#1,723
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125#1,670
Muffin - #1,463
Blargonaut - #1,492#1,514
nin1000 (1 votes)
Alexem - #1,346#1,632
turmoil7 - #1,354#1,677
Natiko - #1,387
Blargonaut - #1,514#1,610
Alexem (1 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,700
HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231#1,455
TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277#1,633
Not voting: Zippedpinhead, nin1000, Aeleus
Right. Which to me, makes Malus’ “I’ll vote for Geno” tomorrow all the more risky.I made Zipped blue since he is almost clear. Not that many flips I guess, but Geno was a wagon on D2 which makes it more interesting.
This feels good for Fran lol
He doesn't say that, he says he will look at him tomorrow. Looks like classic hedging to me, if Geno becomes a wagon tomorrow he can pretend like he has always been suspicious of him and if he doesn't he can look the other way and find some excuse for finding him towny.Right. Which to me, makes Malus’ “I’ll vote for Geno” tomorrow all the more risky.
To me it looks like giving himself an excuse to not vote there rather than saying he is going to vote there tomorrow.I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.
He's in my line of sight, I suppose. Sorian did raise a fair point that he's more active when there's attention on him, and we don't know much about his chats yet. I don't think I'd feel any better or worse than I would about a Geno vote at this point. How did he come across in the night chat? If he seemed off to you there, I'd have thought that you'd have initially voted for Muffin over Chuggs.what about a Muffin Option ?
From the people on the Neon vote I don't like nin and I'm not sure about malus either, voted there purely for XP and hasn't really played much. I need to read Captain and Chuggs again to see if I agree with others who scum read them
Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I already don’t gel with a full gossip claim where all three tiers are progressively less bad versions of a gossip until we get to 6xp where the gossip just works good (Muffin) and this one is even sillier.As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:
messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message
He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
Maybe melon is just town
It kinda looks like my role...Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I already don’t gel with a full gossip claim where all three tiers are progressively less bad versions of a gossip until we get to 6xp where the gossip just works good (Muffin) and this one is even sillier.
Like I’m going to put Chuggs into this too but why is it that everything flipped is like interesting combinations of different abilities and then all the unknown players are claiming 3 tiers of the same, frankly, weak ability
You're right, that doesn't really do much for or against him. If it's true, I can imagine why he might not be all that interested in it - unless he's lucky enough to find out something amazing through a night chat (such as a result that the chat creator wants to keep on the down low), it's not much different to being vanilla.As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:
messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message
He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
Do you remember what this was about?I'm back home and ready to play, I see a few interesting things happened today, malus is scum, which makes some sense because he was contradicting himself at some point if I remember correctly. We're obviously voting him today regardless of what he might claim, we all know he wasn't nexus. As for nin's claim, it's far from a clear, there have been like at least 5 times where scum had a double vote.
A part of me wants to vote for Muffin because it’s apparent that he only wants to play when he’s in trouble which really isn’t a great sign (and that vote probably helps me survive easier if I’m being honest) but I feel like if he flips town, we are just doing this same conversation again tomorrow.
This was to Ty, didn’t realize so many people would post at onceYes, you are involved in that too. There’s no way you are all lying so it’s whatever, I just find this weird and a little annoying now that all the info I see points to JOATs everywhere and none of you are that.
What do you think pairs Muffin with malus?I'd vote Muffin today.
I'd go Geno over Sorian if that's the options today.
I was going to ping him about that actually. Good reminder @GenoDo you remember what this was about?
What the hell is going on…so many chats, messages…my brain is imploding.As geno doesn't appear to be coming back I'm going to share what he claimed to me:
messenger
2xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent to wrong target)
4xp: Send a message (either delayed a night or sent normally)
6xp: Send a message
He claimed that he thought his role was bad so didn't vote for XP and used his 4xp power to send a message to me last night.
I don't really understand the question. Not the way I play I guess?What do you think pairs Muffin with malus?
Aww, I was hoping for some juicy spew :(I don't really understand the question. Not the way I play I guess?
I don't really like any of the options today. I would prefer Ael.
Ty’s asking what indicates Muffin and Malus are in cahoots.I don't really understand the question. Not the way I play I guess?
I don't really like any of the options today. I would prefer Ael.
I’m not sure in what world you think Ael could be scum unless you think they are lying about the lovers thing and they are really just a reg gossip. Scum is not out here making themselves lovers with others as their ability. I’m not even convinced scum abilities are being wasted on shit that doesn’t help them like messengers or gossips or whatever.I don't really understand the question. Not the way I play I guess?
I don't really like any of the options today. I would prefer Ael.
At the beginning of the phase I was thinking:Who is mafia?
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Why wouldn’t you vote?At the beginning of the phase I was thinking:
Scum: Chuggs, Turm
Lean Scum: 1-2 of Geno, Muffin, Alexem
If there’s a really hidden wolf: 1 of Sorian, TWE, or Wizard
Now idk. The role stuff feels like complete noise with how much overlap there is, and skimming this phase felt like mostly mechanics and game design talk which is often a trap anyways. It’s not like we’re known for every game being standard and straight forward.
As for day end - at this point I’ll probably just not even vote. Sorian is in my pile of uncertainty but I don’t remotely think I have a strong enough suspicion to vote there today. The Geno wagon is filled with and supported by primarily all the people in this game I trust the least as well which makes it feel like a bad choice as well.
Even if it’s for me, I need you to vote because I need more of an opinion than this. We are exceedingly coming up to a point where I am going to have to make a real read of you and this non-committal level of posting is not helpingAt the beginning of the phase I was thinking:
Scum: Chuggs, Turm
Lean Scum: 1-2 of Geno, Muffin, Alexem
If there’s a really hidden wolf: 1 of Sorian, TWE, or Wizard
Now idk. The role stuff feels like complete noise with how much overlap there is, and skimming this phase felt like mostly mechanics and game design talk which is often a trap anyways. It’s not like we’re known for every game being standard and straight forward.
As for day end - at this point I’ll probably just not even vote. Sorian is in my pile of uncertainty but I don’t remotely think I have a strong enough suspicion to vote there today. The Geno wagon is filled with and supported by primarily all the people in this game I trust the least as well which makes it feel like a bad choice as well.
Why do you scum read Alex?Alexem
Because I don’t like either option for the reasons I outlined before. I suppose I can at least place one off wagon for clarity on where I am.Why wouldn’t you vote?
I’m not particularly pressed. I share the opinions I have. I don’t trust Geno, but I trust his wagon less. Also don’t trust the general malaise right now with him in the vote lead. Doesn’t mean that I suddenly love the alternative of voting out a louder, productive voice just because you’re in my POE currently when it’s mostly just based off of not wanting to assume there isn’t a deep wolf.Even if it’s for me, I need you to vote because I need more of an opinion than this. We are exceedingly coming up to a point where I am going to have to make a real read of you and this non-committal level of posting is not helping
Well to be fair this was what I entered the day with. I’ve had Alexem in my lean scum pile since day one just based off of some of their reactions to posts. I’m sure I could go dig up my couple of posts on it if you’d like. The lie detector claim doesn’t do a lot for me because it’s super easy to fake unless I’m missing something.Why do you scum read Alex?
Do you think Blarg was truly the NK last night or do you think something else stopped the kill?Because I don’t like either option for the reasons I outlined before. I suppose I can at least place one off wagon for clarity on where I am.
VOTE: Turm
I’m not particularly pressed. I share the opinions I have. I don’t trust Geno, but I trust his wagon less. Also don’t trust the general malaise right now with him in the vote lead. Doesn’t mean that I suddenly love the alternative of voting out a louder, productive voice just because you’re in my POE currently when it’s mostly just based off of not wanting to assume there isn’t a deep wolf.
Well to be fair this was what I entered the day with. I’ve had Alexem in my lean scum pile since day one just based off of some of their reactions to posts. I’m sure I could go dig up my couple of posts on it if you’d like. The lie detector claim doesn’t do a lot for me because it’s super easy to fake unless I’m missing something.
Fran was the only one to reply to my question but would a poison kill show up as a night kill?
Oh, that sounds like killed at night and not succumbing to poison.I know that Blarg was night killed. But I’m not sure if that means he died by poison or if he was targeted.
I’m not sure in what world you think Ael could be scum unless you think they are lying about the lovers thing and they are really just a reg gossip. Scum is not out here making themselves lovers with others as their ability. I’m not even convinced scum abilities are being wasted on shit that doesn’t help them like messengers or gossips or whatever.
Ty’s asking what indicates Muffin and Malus are in cahoots.
This is why I was asking because not only did I want to hear how people responded (thank you Fran and Chuggs) but because I was genuinely curious how that would show.Oh, that sounds like killed at night and not succumbing to poison.
Hmm, not sure honestly. I don’t know that the answer does anything to my thoughts today either way? I’m still missing what we think we are puzzling out with this and what conclusion that is going to lead us to. It would be easy enough to fake, I mean the message Blarg got didn’t sound explicit. Does anyone remember if he said it had any red text or anything like that? We’ve seen lots of ability overlap, so it’s possible he just got a fake message and then was properly NKed. I’m just not sure what you think that conclusion is going to lead to as far as actionable info.Do you think Blarg was truly the NK last night or do you think something else stopped the kill?
Wait as in you got some kind of confirmation indicating this?I know that Blarg was night killed. But I’m not sure if that means he died by poison or if he was targeted.
Okay Blarg mentions it was red here, I don’t think Hedin would allow for fake red text in a non bastard gameso as of last Night I'm feeling "Unwell"
as in Officially / red-txt / Hedin notified me just before Day-start
it doesn't say it word-4-word but I think I'm Poisoned
I know that Blarg was night killed. But I’m not sure if that means he died by poison or if he was targeted.
I am informed of any night kills. But I still am unclear on whether or not a poisoning would show up as that.Wait as in you got some kind of confirmation indicating this?
Then…yeah. That’s all I got lolI’m not sure what you all are on about, a poison kill would absolutely happen overnight. Now if the message was fake or it wasn’t really poison is up for debate but the player would almost always look like a night kill if they are poisoned.
But aren’t we all? I guess I don’t understand the powerI am informed of any night kills. But I still am unclear on whether or not a poisoning would show up as that.
Why do you have to make scummy posts now D:One of these chat claims has to be lying and Genos looks way too weak, I'm not buying it.
Vote: Geno
This is a game of night chats, I think we need to accept that nowI am used to different mechanics too
yeah…But aren’t we all? I guess I don’t understand the power