Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This

heymonkey

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@Kyanrute I'll miss you. Who can I be ANGERY with now?

Uh, @EzekelRAGE you were the one to shoot Splinter. Hm, that's moving you up the town ladder.

What does this mean?

Mhm, Hecht's doubt of Natiko keeps on lingering inside me. Something is off. @heymonkey what do you think of Natiko atm?
I don’t have the same feeling in Natiko yet as the mini but I would place him at a slight town lean. I feel like he gets lost in the shuffle and is having less impact but maybe by end of day I will have a better fix on him. He’s one I’m gonna sort out and look at post by post.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Basically,I think scum did TD to save scum vere maybe? Currently we would learn more from a vere flip imo.
Sorry, finally got a chance to post something more meaningful. Been trying to skim things, but one thing of several that stuck out to me.

[Highliht]Vote: Verelios[/Highlight]
He was shaky when being grilled about his mistakes in the events. Which a couple have pointed out shouldn't be enough to warrant a lynching. But from the looks of the situation he had a good number of votes b4 the thunderdome, and may have been digging himself deeper.

*Thunderdome happens*

The TD and the discussion afterwards took a lot of heat off of vere it seems. idk seems fishy too me.

If Im reading the situation wrong or if someone cant see my train of thought let me know. Lots of pages to try and go thru and I have no doubt I missed things.

So far that theory had 2/3 scum in it.
 
It feels a bit suspicious that Stuart was so insistent on his theory that Grizzly was making a target of himself to protect Vere and Rynam. With Vere's flip out now, I could see that as a motive but he was saying that right at the beginning of D2 before any flips/developments. It feels like a weird theory to be confident in so early unless he knew it had happened. Like a too good to be true sorta thing?
Considering how Grizzly could have made a case for Vere but instead gave up so easily with a few images of "how about (insert alternative votes here)" for a lot of the last hour or so.

I think Vere has a good chance of flipping scum if Grizzly really did sacrifice himself (which is my current thinking because I can't see why else he gave up without even a small fight)
(the first post was at the beginning of d1 and the second is right after the the zipped/vere situation happened)
Grizzly has a history of bussing. He may have started it thinking it wouldn't gain traction. When it did, a role cop for scum helps them a lot.

I believe Zippeds claim so lynch Vere because no way does Town have two role cops nor would scum I'm sure.

If Vere is Scum, Zipped is cleared, if not scum, Zipped dies. You can even go after me then for pushing this.
Especially found this bit of the second out of character since I feel like he has been pretty agreeable but was going after Monkey for disagreeing with him. Plus it just feels really off.
If he's scum, this post of yours won't look good either as it looks like a save attempt considering how many scum died already.
 
From my catching up:
Actually thiking about that more i have to wonder about the wisdom of trying to wrangle this herd of cats into any kind of focused direction, It seems like it would give many an easy out of having to justify or hell even really consider where thier ITA is aimed.


it would be a bigger miss to sort out in the immediate aftermath but i think having players action be their own could be a lot more fruitful later down the line,

at least for my style of reading people at least.
I never would have thought I would agree with Stan. Ever. Wow.

A game large enough that even monkey of all people can forget her own posts on only day 2,

what madness dimension have we entered?

LMAO, Stan.

By the by, from my 2 other games that I played with you but this is the first time I am leaning town on you, a shy 55% but still town regardless. Congratulations for making it.
 
Especially found this bit of the second out of character since I feel like he has been pretty agreeable but was going after Monkey for disagreeing with him. Plus it just feels really off.

iirc (I mentioned it several times but I had been up for a LONG ass time when I posted that) I was frustrated at how insistent that Monkey didn't even seem to consider Vere, even just a little bit.

As for being confident in it, I wouldn't say I was super confident but I became more over the course of the day with the way Vere was acting. I also remember people accusing me in Power Rangers mafia of doing something like that which is one of the big reasons why I suggested it combined with the fact that I KNOW Grizzly is a good player and I for racking my brains trying to figure out why he'd throw it so easily.
 
Maybe so, but let's have a look at the reasoning for your current vote:

'Joining the train on Mr. Runner-up' doesn't exactly convey a great deal of thought either now, does it? At least I've made my reasons clear enough.
Like I said to Stu, please don't misrepresent me like that. I've made it abundantly clear well before before and after that vote why I voted Ynnek. And no offense, but my logic doesn't contradict itself like yours does. You're still ignoring the blatant holes in your logic. A Kawl vote is understandable, but your reason in particular comes across as if you're trying to make up something that "kinda fits" even though it makes very little sense.

The fact that you went back and tried to throw shade at me in the same way Stu did throws up some red flags, especially when I already explained myself.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
It doesn't look like it will happen

But why are you interested in a Sawneeks flip?

Guts.

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Explain this please. First Include was away most of the day and she's playing just like she did in buffy when she was town. What are you seeing?

First time playing with her, so can't speak from prior experience. But the standoff between her and Geno was interesting... In many ways, the attack was meant to be reaction bait rather than an actual attack, and it worked in that sense. I thought about attacking Geno instead. Almost went through with it, but I wanted to see who would leap to Include's defense instead since we already had a few jumping Geno's way.

Was I playing a dangerous game? Absolutely. But now we have data to work with, including Geno's crack.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Raid boss complete!

I’m also mulling over if it’s scummy to have been present today but never have shot or if it’s townie to be too indecisive/meek to shoot or if it’s complete WIFOM

We could have mulled that over yesterday but it’s okay, I forgive you.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Just doing some skimming.

Stuart questioning Geno on why he voted for Splint/Vere.
Why Verelios? And why did you choose Splinter?

Most of your votes have been sent out with no real rhyme or reason
Could just be thrown out there.

Okay, that's a massive majority for no-lynch. Which I can understand tbh. Splinter made a solid point about not wanting to vote Melon and I wouldn't want to vote him aswell, because of that. Is it worth looking into the people that wanted to vote on of the two?
DCPAT wants to look at ppl who voted splint/melon instead of no lynch.

4/5 votes on Melon have turned out to be town so far. 1/4 votes on Splint have been town.

Stuart responding to dcpat's above post
If we were to assume it was a Scum power that started the event then it's likely that not only was it a town vs town situation but people on one of them is scum. So possibly in otherwords it may be worth looking at those votes.

You can also look at the later votes for Melon or Splinter. I mean votes when no-lynch was a certainty, those are easy votes for scum I guess.
Looking at you now Faddy.

we now know faddy was town.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Also what are your thoughts on her saying she was forbidden to claim/breadcrumb her role at all during Day one phase?
- She conviently said that when I called her out for not counterclaiming kawl and I would look for her breadcrumbs from Day.
------Side note: She has posts from day 1 where she outright denies doing the TD. But she says that was ok cuz its not claiming.

It really doesn't look like Melon will be the lynch today but I do agree with you that a lot of her responses/reasons for everything are convenient.

Why did you wait until today Saw? Why ignore me until now? But yes please, I haven't read D2 yet but from D1 you made your entry to my scum lean list.

As I stated the last Phase and a bit this Phase, I was busy during most of D1 and completely misjudged the time I'd have to play. I didn't respond because I didn't have time.

Did some rough skimming to catch up, and I’m having trouble following the small ynnek push.

Vere vs zipped is making me... uneasy for some reason? I get that zipped making the first move, Vere admitting to being a role cop, and some level of protection in place are marks for zipped’s claim. I will think on this some more.

I’m a bit less suspicious of Alexem than I was in a previous post, despite Rynam being mafia.

Glad to see Blarg was summoned like some sort of blood magic.

This was posted pre-Vere flip but I will say this 'nothing' read is very convenient. Doesn't damn either player and gives him the perfect set up to flip to either player if needed.

I will say that I had something happen to me during the last night phase, but since it's pretty NAI I didn't think it was that important or useful to bring up.

This got lost in the shuffle but if you have info please share it.

But their other target was Kyan, who was vanilla tho and iirc there were people who were much much townread than him too. And our two role cop claims are Zipped who checked Verelios and Verelios who was roleblocked, so there'd have to be a third role cop for that.

This was in regard to what Scum would kill. Why are you assuming that Scum killed Kyan?

Saw 75% Wanted to kill a newbie D1? Town Sawneeks would never do that! I know this and everybody who paid attention should as well, check my post about her on D1 https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/24753/, her behavior was hypocritical. You also using Geno’s multiple scums’ team theory and create noise with it? I don’t care if there are different teams, anti town are anti town no matter if they are called A or B, at the end of the day it won’t change anything, minus trying to make noise and confuse us.

And now, Kyan shoot you and then he suddenly dies.What coincidence!




Why so afraid? Just say it, are you a scum or neutral?




I bet you do feel for them, are you sad we are winning? You either scum or neutral Saw, there is no way you are town!

I'll be honest, I forgot Blade is New. I know someone had said their account name here was different than their ERA account but was too lazy to crosscheck it.

And please reference which posts about the multiple scum teams thing. If this is in relation to covering who Bear interacted with I would love an explanation as to why I should auto-clear the people who voted/acted against him in a 50 Player game.

I also had nothing to do with Kyan dying. I don't know why he died.

Not Scum or Neutral either, sorry.

Spinning Heel Kick: Include

Multiple people have called it out but W H Y
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Do want to say I'm also not a huge fan of Mazre shooting Zipped now. 'To test to see if he was BP' is an awful reason and too easy of a cover for Scum to make him vulnerable.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Unvote

I'm gonna do the insane and make a reads list, there's so much going on I need to get a better grasp on this game.
 
Continuing with my notes from the catch up:

Town lean

Ezekiel 60% He shot a scum and tunneled on Melon just like I did on Buffy even though it put him under heat, his arguments can seem illogical to others but I can see his points since I had the same on my game with her.

Melon 60% She is playing exactly like Buffy, yet in Buffy everybody town read her and here people are kinda wary of her play style, for me as long as she is inquisitive, make the game move along and she doesn't do anything that set up my redflags I feel ok with my read.

Monkey 55% I don’t know if it’s the avatar that makes me keener on her (Coz I usually always scum read her, yes even on that MU event :x), or the fact that she keeps on sending me love that makes me biased but regardless not only she has been a productive player, she also had quite few points that I agreed with like this:

Like:

How you don’t let anyone write flimsy arguments/votes and get away with it.
You are rational and active and I am sure you will sooner or later start showing everyone with receipts once the game move on further down the line.
Told people to stop saying crazy roles are impossible in a game of 50 with Sorian as Game runner, and especially after we all played HvV.

If you are indeed town this time too, you are gonna be a huge asset that we can’t afford to lose, especially not so early.


Don’t like:

Suggesting shooting out the afk instead of scums.

Wanting a No lynch (yeah yeah read that you were “joking” but you know me I don’t believe people saying “lol, just jk lol”.
 
This was in regard to what Scum would kill. Why are you assuming that Scum killed Kyan?
Gorlak was saying scum killed nin, so unless a neutral submitted a kill at the same time and they were grouped kyan was also a scum kill by his reasoning. I was just thinking along that for that post, I haven't ruled out that it could've been a neutral kill. But I definitely feel like a town dayvig would've gone elsewhere.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Man y’all post way too much while I’m sleeping.

What’s vote count at?

Bit of a mess. Vere and Kyan are dead so they don't count but still show up.

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

verelios (6 votes)
stuart444 - #2622 #3451
geno - #3019 #3513
kawl - #3026
nomad sparkster - #3044
melonrabbit - #3045 #3473
poltergust - #3218
zippedpinhead - #3237
swamped - #3246
alexem - #3259 #3456
extreme tactician - #3290

kawl (6 votes)
muffin - #1767 #2727
stuart444 - #2024 #2622
blargonaut - #2453 #3161
stuart444 - #3451
alexem - #3456
hom3land - #3469
ezekelrage - #3479
muffin - #3488
melonrabbit - #3516

geno (2 votes)
blargonaut - #3433
include - #3466

ynnek7 (2 votes)
sawneeks - #1734 #1739
sawneeks - #1739 #3526
heymonkey - #1882 #2445
heymonkey - #3095 #3243
terraforce - #3162
luxcommander - #3163

mazre (2 votes)
dcpat - #3394
gorlak - #3522

bladesymphony (1 votes)
natiko - #3449

zippedpinhead (1 votes)
nzjubjub - #2307

melonrabbit (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2286 #3479
swamped - #2465 #3246
zubz - #3341

kyanrute (1 votes)
apollo - #2047

luxcommander (1 votes)
heymonkey - #3243

terraforce (1 votes)
geno - #3513

alexem (0 votes)
heymonkey - #2445 #2719

rynam (0 votes)
geno - #2245 #3019

ynnek (0 votes)
terraforce - #3107 #3162

gorlak (0 votes)
blargonaut - #3161 #3187

Post Counts:
stuart444: 220 heymonkey: 140 verelios: 122 melonrabbit: 118 blargonaut: 104 geno: 90 ezekelrage: 81 sorian: 80 natiko: 70 sawneeks: 68 terraforce: 67 muffin: 55 kawl: 53 alexem: 48 extreme tactician: 41 nomad sparkster: 40 zippedpinhead: 38 ynnek7: 30 gorlak: 30 faircure: 28 dcpat: 24 include: 21 mazre: 21 poltergust: 20 brazil: 20 xbro: 19 zubz: 17 swamped: 17 kyanrute: 16 stanleypalmtree: 16 apollo: 16 splinter: 14 nzjubjub: 12 hom3land: 12 rynam: 11 luxcommander: 11 bladesymphony: 10 necktochicken: 9 nin1000: 8 coolestspot: 6 oreomunsta: 4 ferg: 4 lone_prodigy: 3 briefs_cat: 2 hecht: 1 mysterious entity: 1 fireblend: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Do want to say I'm also not a huge fan of Mazre shooting Zipped now. 'To test to see if he was BP' is an awful reason and too easy of a cover for Scum to make him vulnerable.

It’s an awful justification, him being BP didn’t confirm anything in regards to the Verelios situation whatsoever beyond the actual BP part of the claim. The only practical effect, considering everybody was just shooting Vere anyway, was to remove the BP.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Cleaner vote count:

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

kawl (6 votes)
muffin - #1767 #2727
stuart444 - #2024 #2622
blargonaut - #2453 #3161
stuart444 - #3451
alexem - #3456
hom3land - #3469
ezekelrage - #3479
muffin - #3488
melonrabbit - #3516

geno (2 votes)
blargonaut - #3433
include - #3466

ynnek7 (2 votes)
sawneeks - #1734 #1739
sawneeks - #1739 #3526
heymonkey - #1882 #2445
heymonkey - #3095 #3243
terraforce - #3162
luxcommander - #3163

mazre (2 votes)
dcpat - #3394
gorlak - #3522

bladesymphony (1 votes)
natiko - #3449

zippedpinhead (1 votes)
nzjubjub - #2307

melonrabbit (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2286 #3479
swamped - #2465 #3246
zubz - #3341

luxcommander (1 votes)
heymonkey - #3243

terraforce (1 votes)
geno - #3513

alexem (0 votes)
heymonkey - #2445 #2719

rynam (0 votes)
geno - #2245 #3019

ynnek (0 votes)
terraforce - #3107 #3162

gorlak (0 votes)
blargonaut - #3161 #3187

Post Counts:
stuart444: 220 heymonkey: 140 verelios: 122 melonrabbit: 118 blargonaut: 104 geno: 90 ezekelrage: 81 sorian: 80 natiko: 70 sawneeks: 69 terraforce: 67 muffin: 55 kawl: 53 alexem: 48 extreme tactician: 41 nomad sparkster: 40 zippedpinhead: 38 ynnek7: 30 gorlak: 30 faircure: 29 dcpat: 24 include: 21 mazre: 21 poltergust: 20 brazil: 20 xbro: 19 zubz: 17 apollo: 17 swamped: 17 kyanrute: 16 stanleypalmtree: 16 splinter: 14 nzjubjub: 12 hom3land: 12 rynam: 11 luxcommander: 11 bladesymphony: 10 necktochicken: 9 nin1000: 8 coolestspot: 6 lone_prodigy: 4 oreomunsta: 4 ferg: 4 briefs_cat: 2 hecht: 1 mysterious entity: 1 fireblend: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Nat made a post questioning all the posters who voted between melon and splint in the TD, here.
of those posters, 5 were town. 1 was scum.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
@Include: baby girl, if you give me a tool to take out inactives, I always will be sure I HATE IT. I especially hate it here because I had to bump people from the roster who wanted to play and it’s bullshit if you take a spot and present as completely unreadable and not participating.

Also I’m drinking so I might be very frank here.
 
I can't come up with a sensible angle for a scum Zipped in this scenario. I also don't think Zipped's claims would strictly indicate scum Vere. Kawl's take above seems pretty reasonable as well too.

D&D time for me, not sure where the lie/truth is between Zipped/Vere but I'd tend to imagine that if we have 2 role cops and one is BP and the other isn't, the one with BP is more likely to be scum.
Mazre, since you're here how did you go from the first post to the second to shooting Zipped?
 
The biggest thing in Geno's defence is his push for Verelios right? Apologies if there is something glaring that I've missed; it is well gone 6AM here after all. About an hour before Zipped came in with the role cop stuff Geno actually cooled off on Verelios and wasn't actively pushing him anymore:
So...list of people we should try to ITA:
Ynnek(scummy af reason to vote Grizzly)
Fireblend(MIA, not really doing anything)
Briefscat(More of the same)
Nomadic(a wildcard player, could be scum and he isn't contributing anything even if he isn't so we can try)
Ferg?
Personal pick:Terraforce for reasons stated.
I have turned around on Verelios and decided to leave him be for now.
Remind me if I'm missing anyone.
Townies:
Me(duh)
Ezekel(Shot Splinter)
Melon(Obvious)
Stuart(Interactions with Grizzly makes it seem so, the most likely one to be scum of the top towns).
Anyone disagrees with this list?
He does come back around onto Verelios again of course (#2735). However when your primary defence against accusations of scumminess has a big caveat like this attached to it, you should expect people to start questioning your intentions there.

Which, coupled with the arguments already laid out against him, leaves me feeling fine with dropping my vote on Geno;

VOTE: Geno
 
Do you have any other defense of him? His babyfists fit doesn’t seem normal to me but I’ve played with him less.

For him it's normal. He gets aggressively defensive or defeatist. I'd be more concerned if he just absorbed and accepted the suspicion.
 
As I stated the last Phase and a bit this Phase, I was busy during most of D1 and completely misjudged the time I'd have to play. I didn't respond because I didn't have time.


I understand the RL stuff but the points I complained about you were actually available and active. So again please answer my points.


I'm probably not going to read the last 8 pages so what's up with everyone.


Are you gonna read them or you don't really care that much coz you are scum again?

as much as i love a damn good THUNDERDOME showdown I have nothing on either melon or splinter at the moment and am about to go to bed for an early work day tomorrow. yell if you want but i'm abstaining from voting for this, i can't make a call on either player having only read like 50 posts.


g'night


So if you had nothing against them why not vote No Lynch? It doesn't bother you that we lose townies?


A no Lynch? I can feel sorian's disappointment from here. :(


I'm in a meeting at work all day so I'll be here around 2 hours before day end. Not feeling anyone at the moment outside of some folks I maybe wouldn't get rid of yet.


Can I ask those of you who voted no Lynch and did not provide a reason as to why you trust both melon and splinter enough to let them live? Thanks


You seem to be projecting your disappointment on Sorian, why are you disappointed Saw, pray tell? You were there during the event and you didn't even participate, yet you are disappointed?


Also hi scum!saw what's up?



I'll be honest, I forgot Blade is New. I know someone had said their account name here was different than their ERA account but was too lazy to crosscheck it.


And it didn’t occur to you to check the rooster? So you want to vote someone without having all data on them?


And please reference which posts about the multiple scum teams thing. If this is in relation to covering who Bear interacted with I would love an explanation as to why I should auto-clear the people who voted/acted against him in a 50 Player game.


Yes, it was on the same post and here is your receipt:

Okay so, to preface this considering that we had 50 people to start I feel it's a safe assumption that there are either multiple Scum Teams or a Neutral Team on top of a Scum Team.


And stop deflecting and argue in bad faith, I never once said you should clear anybody. Show me where in my post I said that? Do it!


I also had nothing to do with Kyan dying. I don't know why he died.


Not Scum or Neutral either, sorry.


Suuuuuuure.
 

Mazre

Traitor of Humanity
Mazre, since you're here how did you go from the first post to the second to shooting Zipped?

Sure, I didn't have an explanation for Zipped's behavior so I wanted to try to verify a portion of his claim, so I shot at him. Also your timeline is messed up, I made the first post, had about 4 hours to ponder the situation before ITA 2. Waited for the first volly of shots to see if anything turned up, nothing did, decided to check Zipped's story myself, then after the ITA made the 2nd post. It's basically down to WIFOM/game design META how you come down on whether that BP is more towny/scummy/neutral, I was just giving my take on it.
 
For him it's normal. He gets aggressively defensive or defeatist. I'd be more concerned if he just absorbed and accepted the suspicion.
What it's reminding me of is how he was playing d1 of buck bumble as town. He had some votes on him he thought were unfair and reacted similarly. But I spectated the game instead of actually playing so other opinions would be good.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
So far that theory had 2/3 scum in it.
So they took the heat off Vere with a TD and then still pushed for a scum lynch?

First time playing with her, so can't speak from prior experience. But the standoff between her and Geno was interesting... In many ways, the attack was meant to be reaction bait rather than an actual attack, and it worked in that sense. I thought about attacking Geno instead. Almost went through with it, but I wanted to see who would leap to Include's defense instead since we already had a few jumping Geno's way.

Was I playing a dangerous game? Absolutely. But now we have data to work with, including Geno's crack.
This seems like an explanation that was crafted after the act itself. What are your reads on each of them?

Nat made a post questioning all the posters who voted between melon and splint in the TD, here.
of those posters, 5 were town. 1 was scum.
That was not all the players, just the ones that provided no reasoning or extremely flimsy/weird reasoning. Don’t link to the post instead of actually quoting it and then misquote and misconstrue it.
 
@Include: baby girl, if you give me a tool to take out inactives, I always will be sure I HATE IT. I especially hate it here because I had to bump people from the roster who wanted to play and it’s bullshit if you take a spot and present as completely unreadable and not participating.

Also I’m drinking so I might be very frank here.

Trust me I understand, we still have rac and fandorin who were dying to join us and I am feeling bad for them. But I trust Sorian is going to replace the inactives eventually, surely even if we don't have posts' limit there is still ethics and some standard to be had.
 
@Brazil is here?! Your opinion on monkey and nat pls, thanks very much.
I'm very wary of Monkey. I'd describe her as a protagonist who is never at the right place when it actually matters. Like how in the lead-up to Verelios getting killed she distanced herself from the Zipped x Verelios conflict by saying things like "It feels like it'll get sorted out without me", and then took a shot at Trigger right at the start of the second ITA wave.

Natiko seems strangely subdued, and I think looking at Verelios' activity during that messy-ass D1 event to justify their new vote is weak.
 
This reminds me of Power Rangers.

We didn't get an active "Billy" until the 3rd "Billy".

First one had very few posts, second one had about the same (or less) iirc, third one we finally got a good Billy.
lol ouch. Though while it's generally the same active posters posting, I do like that activity has ramped up for the most part. The new blood, Oreo, and Polter are the main ones who really stick out.
 
This reminds me of Power Rangers.

We didn't get an active "Billy" until the 3rd "Billy".

First one had very few posts, second one had about the same (or less) iirc, third one we finally got a good Billy.
A good Billy who admitted to not reading the thread.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I understand the RL stuff but the points I complained about you were actually available and active. So again please answer my points.

1. I actually did not read them, no. At this point I still haven't. It was early Day 1 with 50 Players, I didn't want to read 800 posts of nonsense when I had little time to even play normally.

2. Because I did not have enough of a read on either Player to even remotely suggest I wanted both to live. For all I knew at the time one of them could have been Scummy and I just hadn't read over it yet so why would I advocate for someone's life when I don't even have a basis on if I should trust them or not?

3. I wanted bloodshed. No lynches are boring.

4. Scum!saw isn't in right now but I can take a message for her if you want.

And it didn’t occur to you to check the rooster? So you want to vote someone without having all data on them?

Nope. Was on mobile and was not about to switch over to check it. And where did I vote for him? If you're gonna talk later about putting words in someone's mouth then the same goes for here. I said I simply wanted him dead. This was based on a gut feeling I had at the time of posting and the fact that I disliked how quiet he was with whatever he had won. If I had really, really wanted him dead I would've voted, yet I did not. What does that tell you?

Yes, it was on the same post and here is your receipt:

And stop deflecting and argue in bad faith, I never once said you should clear anybody. Show me where in my post I said that? Do it!

Okay, fine. You never said I should clear anybody but you take the opposite of what I did in my Grizzly post and what does that do? It leads to Town Reads on the people against Grizz, effectively giving them a pass as I don't want them dead. What would you have rather I do?
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I'm very wary of Monkey. I'd describe her as a protagonist who is never at the right place when it actually matters. Like how in the lead-up to Verelios getting killed she distanced herself from the Zipped x Verelios conflict by saying things like "It feels like it'll get sorted out without me", and then took a shot at Trigger right at the start of the second ITA wave.

Natiko seems strangely subdued, and I think looking at Verelios' activity during that messy-ass D1 event to justify their new vote is weak.
Do you believe everything scum Vere said following that event then? You have no problem with Blade ghosting? If his lynch doesn’t pick up I’ll move to my highest scumread in contention, but I’m not going to ignore someone that I think is scummy in the meantime.
 
What it's reminding me of is how he was playing d1 of buck bumble as town. He had some votes on him he thought were unfair and reacted similarly. But I spectated the game instead of actually playing so other opinions would be good.
Those behaviors remind me of several games I've played with him in, before he even came to this forum. But there are several off putting things in his behavior that I don't like. A little late, but there's several games on the Gamefaqs "forum mafia" board (where I'm one of the main mods) if you want to see some of his past games.

Anyway, after thinking about it, I lowkey feel I'd rather try for Brazil before Geno. I'll have to ISO Brazil for a better gauge, but offhand he doesn't feel as invested as I'm used to seeing him being, and there were a few smaller things that caught my eye before but just didn't write down. But I mainly say this because Geno bussing is nothing new, but his Brazil vote doesn't feel like it would be a bus. Geno pegging Brazil for scum soon after Brazil replaced in makes me think the two aren't of the same alignment (unless it's town on town then this is all moot). Just something I've been idly thinking over.
 

heymonkey

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Trust me I understand, we still have rac and fandorin who were dying to join us and I am feeling bad for them. But I trust Sorian is going to replace the inactives eventually, surely even if we don't have posts' limit there is still ethics and some standard to be had.
We don’t have as many replacements as inactives and Ry was scum.
 
Do you believe everything scum Vere said following that event then? You have no problem with Blade ghosting? If his lynch doesn’t pick up I’ll move to my highest scumread in contention, but I’m not going to ignore someone that I think is scummy in the meantime.
I actually do believe that he messed up because he was confused, yeah. I had to read the rules like 4 times to understand the event, and scum couldn't have coordinated anything because of the event's rules.
 
Those behaviors remind me of several games I've played with him in, before he even came to this forum. But there are several off putting things in his behavior that I don't like. A little late, but there's several games on the Gamefaqs "forum mafia" board (where I'm one of the main mods) if you want to see some of his past games.

Anyway, after thinking about it, I lowkey feel I'd rather try for Brazil before Geno. I'll have to ISO Brazil for a better gauge, but offhand he doesn't feel as invested as I'm used to seeing him being, and there were a few smaller things that caught my eye before but just didn't write down. But I mainly say this because Geno bussing is nothing new, but his Brazil vote doesn't feel like it would be a bus. Geno pegging Brazil for scum soon after Brazil replaced in makes me think the two aren't of the same alignment (unless it's town on town then this is all moot). Just something I've been idly thinking over.
Wait, Geno voted for me? What

And you're right that I'm not as invested as I usually am. It's the World Cup and I caught the train moving at 300km/h. I'll get into my stride if I live long enough, though.
 
What it's reminding me of is how he was playing d1 of buck bumble as town. He had some votes on him he thought were unfair and reacted similarly. But I spectated the game instead of actually playing so other opinions would be good.

He only got 4 votes D1 on 50 players game, excuse me but I don't think what you are describing is comparable. He could have diffused the situation too by at least answering my arguments on D1 or even today, but he only cares when his life is in danger it seems.

I am not even scum read by him and yet he wanted me dead. It's like OMGUS but we ITA instead of votes.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I actually do believe that he messed up because he was confused, yeah. I had to read the rules like 4 times to understand the event, and scum couldn't have coordinated anything because of the event's rules.
I think he was confused too. We’re in agreement there. It’s because of that I think he voted one of his teammates that had a lot of votes to try and get the item to his team and then after realized it was a bad play and floundered about Geno. I don’t see a world in which one of those two (Geno and Blade) aren’t scum after Vere’s flip.
 
I think he was confused too. We’re in agreement there. It’s because of that I think he voted one of his teammates that had a lot of votes to try and get the item to his team and then after realized it was a bad play and floundered about Geno. I don’t see a world in which one of those two (Geno and Blade) aren’t scum after Vere’s flip.
I see. Ok, that makes sense. What I'd taken from your original argument was that he'd entered the event with a plan in mind.
 
1. I actually did not read them, no. At this point I still haven't. It was early Day 1 with 50 Players, I didn't want to read 800 posts of nonsense when I had little time to even play normally.

2. Because I did not have enough of a read on either Player to even remotely suggest I wanted both to live. For all I knew at the time one of them could have been Scummy and I just hadn't read over it yet so why would I advocate for someone's life when I don't even have a basis on if I should trust them or not?

3. I wanted bloodshed. No lynches are boring.

4. Scum!saw isn't in right now but I can take a message for her if you want.

Nope. Was on mobile and was not about to switch over to check it. And where did I vote for him? If you're gonna talk later about putting words in someone's mouth then the same goes for here. I said I simply wanted him dead. This was based on a gut feeling I had at the time of posting and the fact that I disliked how quiet he was with whatever he had won. If I had really, really wanted him dead I would've voted, yet I did not. What does that tell you?


Okay, fine. You never said I should clear anybody but you take the opposite of what I did in my Grizzly post and what does that do? It leads to Town Reads on the people against Grizz, effectively giving them a pass as I don't want them dead. What would you have rather I do?

1. I see, I understand it's hard to arrive like this in game and having to read back. Thanks for actually answering and being honest about not reading.

2 + 3. Your two points are conflicting, you wanted bloodshed and a lynch and you didn't want to defend either, yet you didnt vote during the TD? I am confused, so you wanted bloodshed but didn't want blood on your hands? Am I reading this correctly? Elaborate if I am not.

4. Scum!Saw or neutral!saw is here and well, I know you enough to feel the difference in vibes you are having in this game.

5. I didn't say you voted him, I said you wanted to because that's how I interpreted wanting him dead, we didn't have ITA D1, so how else would he die if that's what you wanted?

And you were in mobile and couldn't bother checking the rooster, fair enough, but don't you think it's scummy to want someone dead when you don't have full data on them? You are acting so damn out of character, it's so unlike you it hurts.

6. Thanks for admitting it, and that's absolutely another debate that has nothing to do with my point, you are deflecting again.

I am struggling for words, my vocabulary is kinda failing me right now, but you are not the Saw I know, you are strangely dismissive and nonchalant.
 
Was about to take a nap, but that can wait.

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I also love how Geno keeps saying he's not posting anymore, but clearly lurking enough to keep up with what's going on. smh
 
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